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Post# 857709   12/21/2015 at 13:41 (1,005 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Now, I've been used to label\Eco cycles using about simmilar amounts of energy on both 40C and 60C in half load scenario test cycles, sometimes even inverted usages (40 uses more then 60).

But this here just showed me that somebody must have gone insane on cycle design at BSH.

With their refreshed line-up, we saw them splitting Cottons and Cottons Eco. Cottons Eco is now the label cycle, instead of Cottons plus EcoPerfect, thus EcoPerfect is no longer in relation to any label cycle.
I was already unpleasently surprised that the cycle update last time arround (which included their purely software enabled load size increase from 8kg to 9kg max) made the Cottons 40C with a full load run longer then the 60C version, clocking in at 3h approx.
So far, so good.

Now, their new Wifi models went up on their website, including the manuals.
Now, not only does the 40C Cotton cycle still take longer then the 60C Cotton cycle, it uses MORE energy. MORE!!!
Lower temp on a cycle that should - I emphasize SHOULD - reach target temp now means more energy usage? So either they designed a crappy 40C or they somehow magicly saved time and energy on the 60C selection without compromized performance.
And, to my dislike, somehow the 20C uses less then 1/4th the energy the 40 cycle does.
Oh, and they upped their Easy Care cycle to 70+l for a 4kg load.

I mean, I really get mad at them now. Before, a consumer was at least verbaly encouraged to use low temperature cycles. But now, they seem to design cycles with the specific purpose of the consumer rather not using them. And especially other alternative cycles (like Easy Care) which once were really OK cycles in a balance between not too much and not too less.

This kind of "innovation" is really driving me insane.

Sorry for the rant. Have a nice X-Mas.

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Post# 857808 , Reply# 1   12/22/2015 at 06:54 (1,004 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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I don't blame you Henrik. I've seen 'the improvement made it worse' scenario so many times, leads me to conclude these are typical firmware writers with no earthly idea how the actual task is best performed. That is, he/she has never actually DONE laundry. Or if they have, it's as a mindless reflex.

Post# 859414 , Reply# 2   1/1/2016 at 09:23 (994 days old) by DaveTranter (Central England)        
'Improvement made it worse'

Do these washers run under Windows, perchance??? ;-)

Sorry, couldn't resist... Windaz has gone rapidly downhill since 98/XP IMHO ;)

All best

Dave T

Post# 859425 , Reply# 3   1/1/2016 at 10:29 (994 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

I have to say that for todays mobile computing, I couldn't be more happy with W10.

Post# 859475 , Reply# 4   1/1/2016 at 15:53 (994 days old) by L86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Also the trend of Synthetic 40oC cycles becoming 2hrs +

Have you got a link to one of the wifi models Henrik? I couldn't find them when I looked...

Post# 859476 , Reply# 5   1/1/2016 at 16:02 (994 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Only German, though

With iDos:
Without iDos:

Post# 875692 , Reply# 6   4/5/2016 at 11:36 (899 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Well, that is efficent...

Didn't want to open a new thread:
Grundig (made by Arcelik, same as Beko) has launched a A+++-70% washer. 4:20h cycle time, and 310W energy usage. For 9kg. At 48l.
I think we reached insanity at this point.

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Post# 875786 , Reply# 7   4/6/2016 at 07:14 (898 days old) by mieleforever (SOUTH AFRICA)        

What would the impact of all that extra time in the washer mean on the impact of the clothing's fibres? Surely it must have a negative effect, meaning your clothes will get worn out more quickly???

Can't be good for them.


Post# 875790 , Reply# 8   4/6/2016 at 08:03 (898 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Good point about the impact of excessively long cycles on clothes.
Let`s not forget that growing new cotton to replace prematurely worn clothes might take a lot more water than what is used for washing.
Aside from the costs for new clothes what about the energy used in production and for shipping around the globe ? Toxic chemicals released into the envionment during production and so on.
Is it really worth it ? I have my doubts.
Unfortunately the short cycles of those super efficient washers usually cut a rinse or don`t clean well. Gosh I`m so glad I`m not in the market for a new washer right now !

Post# 875800 , Reply# 9   4/6/2016 at 10:38 (898 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Fortunately, Beko's Daily Quick cycle seems to be fairly generous with water and you can add an extra rinse.

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