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Thread Number: 64547
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
1970s Philips 707 AWB126 Front Loader |
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| Post# 872102 , Reply# 1 3/12/2016 at 16:41 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Front panel removed for easy access to the pump and door seal. 
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| Post# 872103 , Reply# 2 3/12/2016 at 16:43 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Interesting weights in this machine, dense concrete encased in plastic - at least they won't chip or crack! 
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| Post# 872105 , Reply# 3 3/12/2016 at 16:45 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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The drum opening is slightly larger than most washing machines of this vintage. 
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| Post# 872108 , Reply# 4 3/12/2016 at 16:48 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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A few unusual components up around the top. I'm guessing that the large coil beside the inlet valves is something to do with suppression. Look at the size of that timer and the lack of coloured wires - I wouldn't fancy changing it! 
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| Post# 872109 , Reply# 5 3/12/2016 at 16:48 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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| Post# 872110 , Reply# 6 3/12/2016 at 16:50 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Front panel fitted. 
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| Post# 872112 , Reply# 7 3/12/2016 at 16:54 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Obligatory photo of the ratings plate sticker. I'm not sure on how to decipher the exact age of this machine so if anyone can pitch in and decipher it I'd really appreciate that. 
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| Post# 872113 , Reply# 8 3/12/2016 at 16:55 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Rear panel removed. 
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| Post# 872114 , Reply# 9 3/12/2016 at 16:57 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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That unique PerMag motor that Philips is renowned for using! 
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| Post# 872118 , Reply# 10 3/12/2016 at 17:00 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Now I was surprised to see this - the water temperature in this machine is detected by a hydraulic thermostat. I would have thought that all front loaders used bimetallic thermostats by then! 
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| Post# 872119 , Reply# 11 3/12/2016 at 17:01 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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| Post# 872120 , Reply# 12 3/12/2016 at 17:02 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Rear panel fitted. 
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| Post# 872121 , Reply# 13 3/12/2016 at 17:03 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Gleaming! 
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| Post# 872124 , Reply# 14 3/12/2016 at 17:03 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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| Post# 872125 , Reply# 15 3/12/2016 at 17:05 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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The blue accents really compliment the chrome and brushed aluminium. 
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| Post# 872126 , Reply# 16 3/12/2016 at 17:06 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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| Post# 872127 , Reply# 17 3/12/2016 at 17:07 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Post# 872129 , Reply# 18 3/12/2016 at 17:09 (2,966 days old) by RevvinKevin  (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Sorry, I jumped in one post too soon.
Very nice James, it cleaned up beautifully, CONGRATS! I look forward to hearing about the water or laundry test.
A few questions for you:
This machine has both hot & cold fill?
What does the knob on the right do? Also what do the indicator lights, indicate?
Lastly, those 2 brown rectangle things that look like they may be buttons at the bottom of the control panel, are those the releases for the door and dispenser?
The controls are not very intuitive, I hope you have the owners manual to decipher the cycles!
Thanks! Kevin | ||
| Post# 872131 , Reply# 19 3/12/2016 at 17:11 (2,966 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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And last but not least - that drum once again. It's really warming on me and I'm sure once it's done a few inaugural loads it will have won me over! James 
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Post# 872133 , Reply# 21 3/12/2016 at 17:27 (2,966 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Again, very nice! Thank you for the explanations!
Is the door release mechanical or electric? Interesting that the dispenser drawer has a release button (fun). The variable speed spin is interesting too. Is it infinitely variable or fixed speeds?
Sorry for all the questions, but I don't know and gotta ask!
Thanks! Kevin | ||
| Post# 872136 , Reply# 22 3/12/2016 at 17:31 (2,966 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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| Post# 872143 , Reply# 24 3/12/2016 at 18:24 (2,966 days old) by Chanceskydiver (West Linton) | ||
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Hi James it is lovely. Got a Electra from Dunfermline in the tale end summer last year. I had got it as well as a Miele. It is much better than the Electra AWF 683 have from 1984. I'm pleased that he is going to look out for you and give you a good opportunity of getting more. | ||
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Post# 872211 , Reply# 25 3/13/2016 at 05:12 (2,966 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Wow James, that's a wonderful find! I love those Philips machines from the seventies. The machines with the blue accents are nicer in my books than the later ones with the soft orange/gold accents.
These machines got hot and cold fill especially for the UK I think, overhere all washing machines were cold fill. Philips must have had enough of a market share in the UK I guess to make models with a hot water connection. I love the sound of the Permanent Magnet motors. Not very silent when washing!! And I notice they draw a lot of power when the motor is in wash mode. I assume the 707 turns the heating off for the short tumbles between heating? At least my Philips toploader did. Or doesn't it tumble at all during heating? This machine spins probably at 750 or 800rpm at max. lowest is indeed 120 (meant for lace curtains! lol). On later models Philips put the spinspeed on the ratings plate sticker. Funny that they didn't do that on this machine, other brands like Miele and Bosch did that way earlier already. But those machines are boring compared to this one! Are you able to do a video? Thanks for sharing these wonderful pictures of my favourite brand ever! | ||
| Post# 872216 , Reply# 29 3/13/2016 at 05:56 (2,966 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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p.s nearly forgot .... does your machine have a sticker on the door hinge like this? .... 
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| Post# 872315 , Reply# 30 3/13/2016 at 16:45 (2,965 days old) by alanlondon (London) | ||
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Philip's brochure Hello everyone, I love Philip's stuff from the 70s and here's the full brochure of the time incorporating the 707. | ||
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Post# 872318 , Reply# 31 3/13/2016 at 17:27 (2,965 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 872325 , Reply# 32 3/13/2016 at 17:55 (2,965 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips 
Hi James, glad you got it all sorted, what a find, it looks in great shape, looking forward to seeing the blue dial "Spin Drain"...
Alan, many thanks for a great brochure as usual, Philips had a superb range of laundry appliances and we see that the 707 had one of the first PM , Permag or Permanent Magnet Motors ha ha.. Louis, indeed, will test you in the morning on the Philips washer porn. Kevin, many of our washers had the same simplistic user instructions, they conformed to the 7 HLCC (Home Laundry Consultative Council) programmes, all machine washable clothing had an identified number, ie programme 2 was a cotton intensive wash, low water level, 60d temp, 4 rinses and a fast spin. If it wasnt numbered it was like the Philips Alpha coded hence programme C....all the user needed to do was collect the same numbers and select the identified programm, simples!!
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| Post# 872328 , Reply# 34 3/13/2016 at 18:11 (2,965 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Hi Mike, Thanks, I'm really glad I took the plunge and went for it. It's good to try something new! I see your machine has the very same blanked off compartment in the dispenser, was this meant to be a bleach compartment for countries that bleached as part of their laundry regime? James | ||
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Post# 872351 , Reply# 35 3/13/2016 at 19:19 (2,965 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips VarioSpin
Hi James, yes I believe so, rather ahead of its time I think, they really are great machines, I love the simplistic detail and even the plastic moulded concrete filled weights rather add an up market dimension to them instead of blocks of ballast concrete dont we think...
Does it explain the 4th compartment in the Service Literature? | ||
| Post# 872526 , Reply# 36 3/14/2016 at 17:24 (2,964 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Hi Mike, I was quite surprised to see that type of weight when I removed the lid, next best thing to a cast iron weight I reckon. The parts list in the service manual says the blanking insert is a "bleach compartment cover". James | ||
| Post# 872669 , Reply# 38 3/15/2016 at 14:32 (2,964 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Hi Alan. Thanks for posting another of your wonderful brochures. Was a delight to metaphorically leaf through and exudes a pride in the product that is seldom seen today. Will keep an eye out for a Match 'n' Stack dryer! Paul | ||
| Post# 873162 , Reply# 39 3/18/2016 at 11:31 (2,961 days old) by alanlondon (London) | ||
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Heavy reading... Hi Paul and all, I wrote to Philips asking more about this motor when these machines first came out and to my surprise received this quite detailed report. I'm posting here 'for the record' and for anyone who has a technical mind! Cheers, Alan | ||
| Post# 873276 , Reply# 40 3/19/2016 at 00:07 (2,960 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Beautiful washer. I love the large holes in the wash basket. It is so clean! I am sure you will have a lot of fun with this one. | ||
| Post# 873453 , Reply# 41 3/20/2016 at 07:51 (2,959 days old) by statomatic (France) | ||
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| Post# 876364 , Reply# 42 4/10/2016 at 10:14 (2,938 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK) | ||
Great thread! | ||
| Post# 1046452 , Reply# 45 9/30/2019 at 16:14 (1,669 days old) by statomatic (France) | ||
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Bonjour ami français :)
Never ever use WD40 in a timer or even think about it (or any other mechanical device anyway) unless you want to completely ruin it !
This product isn't intended for lubricating (even does the opposite when the solvent evaporated), the solvent reacts with certain kind plastics and make it brittle (like acetone does). The only way to fix a stuck timer is a complete disassembly, cleaning (with alcohol), lubrication (with the right oil & grease) and reassembly. Before incriminating the timer check if it's not an electrical issue (the timer might not move because the thermostat or the pressure switch isn't closed). | ||
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Post# 1046497 , Reply# 46 10/1/2019 at 04:29 (1,669 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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The thermostat on these Philips machines were already electronic, very advanced for that time. But they were problematic too. So a broken thermostat could very well be the source of the problem. The machines without a separate thermostat were more durable because of that than the models with one. My Philips toploader had the same problem with the thermostat. Philips was aware of this problem IIRC.
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| Post# 1046943 , Reply# 47 10/6/2019 at 07:46 (1,664 days old) by Jacques405 (France) | ||
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Thank you for the replies Gentlemen. Interesting facts about the WD40... Would anyone be kind enough to tell me what the thermostat looks like and where it is on this machine? | ||
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Post# 1046964 , Reply# 48 10/6/2019 at 14:06 (1,664 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1047085 , Reply# 49 10/7/2019 at 17:09 (1,662 days old) by statomatic (France) | ||
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In these machines the motor is wired in series with the heating element, it's used for overcurrent protection.
So when water heating is needed the motor is just shorted by the timer, that's explain the long pause during washing sequence. And in case of the heating element is open, the drum won't move. This machine has a timer with two motors (probably a Sibel CM550U or something close), one for the fast cams (for reversing) and another one for the slow cams (for program), if one of these motors goes bad the machine stays in the same position. | ||
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Post# 1047257 , Reply# 50 10/9/2019 at 12:00 (1,661 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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