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Post# 873952 , Reply# 1   3/22/2016 at 21:20 (2,956 days old) by floyde (Los Angeles, CA)   |   | |
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At first I couldn't turn the water valve off so I was afraid it was going to overflow, so I unplugged it and it continued to fill. |
Post# 873977 , Reply# 2   3/23/2016 at 00:12 (2,956 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Floyde,
It sounds like your mixing valve has failed. In your case the simplest thing to do is replace it vs. trying to service the old one. Whirlpool part number 358277 (yellow valve body) fits most all belt drives, unless your machine has a three solenoid valve. I don't think it does but Sears' website was acting up when I tried to check a basic 1970 800 series model number. These are pretty easy to replace. The cheapest new one of these on ebay was about $11. Fortunately these are plentiful and still available from Whirlpool. We can help you install it. Gordon |
Post# 874058 , Reply# 3   3/23/2016 at 12:19 (2,956 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 874341 , Reply# 5   3/25/2016 at 06:28 (2,954 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Floyde,
26920 translates to a 1966 model. These are cosmetic clones or very close siblings to the 1966 Lady Kenmore. They are part of a family of derivatives of the '66, and were introduced from 1968 to 1970 and later. They were a very popular and successful group of high-end Kenmores. 26920 equates to model 110.6604920. Can you confirm that your model number is similar? If so, the machine has a three solenoid non-thermostatic valve. The 358277 is not a workable replacement. We have to find you a replacement valve before you start looking for someone to install it, OR we need to repair the existing valve. Gordon |
Post# 874353 , Reply# 6   3/25/2016 at 08:26 (2,954 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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according to my dad were the month and year. He serviced them for Sears. |
Post# 874381 , Reply# 7   3/25/2016 at 13:34 (2,954 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 874388 , Reply# 8   3/25/2016 at 14:49 (2,954 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 874434 , Reply# 10   3/25/2016 at 20:18 (2,953 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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First, how old is that picture? If it was taken today, and you have the second rinse activated and the cycle is not finished, that would be why you have water coming in!
But if not a recent pic, then we REALLY need to get the model number because that appears to be a 1970 or 1971 Lady K, and if so, this becomes more interesting. Some of the 1970 Ladies show the plentiful 358277 mixing valve as an alternate to the three coil NLA one, but if this is a '71, it shows the 358277 as a common part. So, tell me about the picture first, and if we need to, we'll look for the model number. Model numbers were in two places back in this time period. The whole model/serial tag was on the back left upper corner of the cabinet, near the discharge hose connector. Better though is a little tab on the rear lid hinge. There should be a little tab mounted with the hinge in black and aluminum color, with just the model number stamped on it. Take a looksie and report back please! Gordon |
Post# 874744 , Reply# 12   3/28/2016 at 20:25 (2,950 days old) by Floyde (Los Angeles, CA)   |   | |
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I had the water turned off as much as I could. Just came home after 5 Days away and tub was almost filled up with water .
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Post# 874747 , Reply# 13   3/28/2016 at 20:58 (2,950 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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You've got more than one thing going on Floyde... You should be able to turn the water off to the machine completely, so I'd suggest you call a plumber to have that situation looked at right away regardless of what we do with the washer. You have a flood risk if the water was all the way turned off.
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Post# 874752 , Reply# 14   3/28/2016 at 21:49 (2,950 days old) by Floyde (Los Angeles, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 874775 , Reply# 15   3/29/2016 at 07:24 (2,950 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Very cool washer, Hi Floyd, the inlet valve can be rebuilt, you could even send it to me if you like. The last time I was at Modern Parts in Ohio they still had new valves in stock for these washers.
Or you can substitute the two coil valve Gordon mentioned [ I did this many times in the field ] To use the two coil valve you just connect the hot valve wire to hot on the new valve and you jump the cold and warm valve wires together and connect to the cold coil on the new valve.
With the two coil valve installed this way in your washer when the washer calls for hot water you will still get an all hot water fill, when the washer calls for medium you will get a warm wash fill, and anytime the washer calls for warm or cold water fill you will get all cold water.
Actually many users found this an improvement as these machines used a lot of hot as as they were originally manufactured.
And do get your homes shut-off valves for the washer replaced, you should be able to easily and instantly shut off the water to your washer.
John L. |
Post# 874799 , Reply# 16   3/29/2016 at 09:56 (2,950 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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I second the commentary regarding the shut off valves on your house! No matter what washer you have connected to them, leaking shutoff valves are a major problem, but one which is easily rectified. I am partial to 1/4 turn ball valves because they tend not to fail. Replacing those valves is a relatively simple procedure for a plumber. If you go that route, request 1/4 turn ball valves. It is also possible to rebuild the old valves for minimal expense, but you may not want to undertake that procedure. Look up some Youtube videos on rebuilding a supply valve.
Fix your shutoff valves no matter what, then fix the washing machine valve. Clear as mud? David PS: In the mean time, in order to prevent a flood, you can screw a garden hose on to the leaking valve and just put the other end in a drain or outside. |
Post# 874931 , Reply# 18   3/30/2016 at 05:26 (2,949 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Floyde, You said previously If I get the part if any members in LA area can install I would be happy to pay the same I would pay a service technician to handle it. I'm not handy at all.Apparently you're more handy than you believed being that you were able to dismount the water valve assembly from back of the machine, disassemble it and clean the accumulated debris from the affected parts (springs, plungers, and/or diaphragms) to get it working properly! :-) |
Post# 874953 , Reply# 19   3/30/2016 at 08:52 (2,949 days old) by Floyde (Los Angeles, CA)   |   | |
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I stuck a paper towel up where the water comes in the machine and moved it around. I didn't tak e anything apart . |
Post# 874959 , Reply# 20   3/30/2016 at 10:27 (2,949 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Floyd, the hot & cold water supply hoses connect TO the inlet valve at the back of the machine.
2 small bolts secure the inlet valve to the cabinet from the back where the hoses attach.
There are also 6 (color coded?) wires that connect to the valve, along with 1 hoses, which is accessed from INSIDE the washer (circled in RED below).
#1. Push the washer away from the wall so you can access the back of it.
#2. Unplug the washer, turn off the water and disconnect the hot & cold supply hoses.
#3. Beg, borrow or steal a 3/8" wrench or socket & ratchet OR a crescent wrench from someone and remove the 2 bolts (near where the hoses connect).
#4. Lift the lid of the washer like you did to take the photo and either have your partner hold it, or use a stick to hold it up.
#5. Reach inside to the water inlet valve (circled in RED) and disconnect the hose from the valve. If you cannot disconnect it at the valve, then using pliers, remove the clamp and carefully remove the hose at the tub (circled in BLUE).
#6. Next, remove each the 6 wires from the inlet valve, BUT make note of what color wire is connected to which valve, this is very important! It may require a little effort, but grip the connector and pull each wire away from the valve (while wiggling slightly) to slide the connector off.
#7. Remove the valve from the washer, take a photo and post it here. I'm sure someone will be able to suggest how to proceed from here. You can also try taking the valve to an appliance repair / parts store to see of they have a replacement. If they do not have a 3 valve replacement (most likely) you can use a 2 valve replacement and connect the wires as John L (Combo52) outlined above.
TO RE-INSTALL THE VALVE Reverse these steps outlined above.
I know you are not handy (or willing to try) but if you follow the steps above, YOU CAN DO IT!
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Post# 874972 , Reply# 21   3/30/2016 at 11:57 (2,949 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 875017 , Reply# 22   3/30/2016 at 17:11 (2,949 days old) by floyde (Los Angeles, CA)   |   | |
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You have given me the confidence! |
Post# 875136 , Reply# 23   3/31/2016 at 14:10 (2,948 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)   |   | |
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Wow, a cream-puff repair on an almost 50 year old washer. That probably doesn't mean much if you aren't handy in the first place, but having to simply change out a valve and replace a faucet washer...... ohhh, if only the rest of life could be so easy.
To think of it, If this were my situation to deal with, it wouldn't even be considered a repair. It would be almost thoughtlessly referred to as an "adjustment". I guess I need to give myself more credit. |
Post# 875146 , Reply# 25   3/31/2016 at 15:07 (2,948 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)   |   | |
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There may have been a piece of calcium or rust in the valve, keeping it from closing completely.
I've seen that happen. You should check the wire screens inside the valves. When you removed the hoses from the back of the washer, you can see if the screens are dirty or intact. If they are missing, you should replace them. Those screens keep large particles from getting into the valve body.
Video on how to check/clean or replace screens. CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK |
Post# 875149 , Reply# 26   3/31/2016 at 15:30 (2,948 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)   |   | |
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Another suggestion for you: if you are frequently leaving the house for several days or weeks at a time, I would turn off my water main, and gas when you leave. Especially in an earthquake prone area. It will give you piece of mind and may save your house from a flood or fire when you aren't there to do anything to protect your home.
I had a weekend home a while back, with a well pump. I wired in a double throw switch for the double pole circuit that controlled the pump and had it installed right next to the door where it was easy to access. If I had city water, I would have an easy to operate ball valve installed in an easy to access area, and use that to shut off and on the water.
It's also not a good idea to leave an electric water heater on when gone from the house. |
Post# 875160 , Reply# 27   3/31/2016 at 17:32 (2,948 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Floyde -
I have had this happen a couple times on my KM in the house, which is a 1980 large capacity model. It has the largest tub they made for belt-drives, and as such, when water drips in an otherwise empty basket, you hear a nice little musical clang sound that can be heard outside the laundry room if no radio or tv is on. My solution was, like yours, to turn the water off until next use, then I forgot to turn it back off a few weeks later, and the next day or so realized no drips. Just as I was about to change the valve too. As Eric said above, I concluded that there must have been sediment interfering with the valve seals. Whatever it was, I haven't noticed it in several years, though as I type this now, I'll probably find a full tub when I get home... I'm glad you got all new faucets, and that your machine is working well! Gordon |
Post# 875173 , Reply# 28   3/31/2016 at 19:41 (2,948 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Floyd, glad your machine is working now, I have found in life that it is amazing how often something mechanical starts working again on its own.
But that said it is fairly likely to have a reacurrence of this problem. Your washer has a 45 YO inlet valve, it likely needs new rubber seats or a complete inlet valve if it shows any additional signs of problems.
Delaney's suggestion of being sure that the metal inlet valve screens are in place is a good one. The video he posted about cleaning the valve screens does not apply to your washer. Your washer has metal SS inlet screens, and SS valve screes should NOT be removed for cleaning unless you have the proper tool to reinstall without bending or distorting them which makes them useless after they get even slightly bent.
John L. |
Post# 875222 , Reply# 29   4/1/2016 at 12:23 (2,947 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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