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Post# 874746   3/28/2016 at 20:45 (2,962 days old) by acshore86 ()        

I have ventured onto this site countless times as I recently purchased an old Maytag Wringer Washer that is mid-to-late 1960's and have given it a complete overhaul= paint, accessories, castors, etc... I wanted to start a new thread to give tips not only I have found, been given, but also discovered.

1) If you have an opportunity to purchase an old Maytag wringer, do not even consider purchasing one unless it is a Model E - Master; it is square and has an aluminum tub. Machine's before the 1940 Model E, do not hold as much, nor is the gyration (agitation) as thorough, nor do the tubs hold as much.

2) Around the early-to-mid-1970's (possibly a bit earlier), Maytag switch from making the tubs from cast aluminum to spun aluminum; the latter is much cheaper, oxidizes much faster and pits easier. Underneath the lid near the lower hinge, it will say most of the time if it is cast aluminum or not. Only buy if it is cast aluminum, as you will regret it if is not. Any Model N or J tubs are porcelain, and over time, it WILL chip, and without doubt rust due to harsh metallics such as zippers scrapping the tub when gyrating. Cracking is also possible.

3) Mid-1940's, Maytag abandoned their aluminum cast gyrators (agitators) and switched first to black bakelite, then red plastic in the mid-1950's, and finally, the a more heavy duty flexible turquoise-colored plastic in January, 1966. The final turquoise although the best out of all three was made of polypropylene, but - unlike the black and red plastic, which were prone to breaking - the polypropylene gyrator will start shedding and fraying, which buffing the plastic with a Brillo pad or very fine steel wool works, but is a pain. Seek an aluminum gyrator. Makes sure the shaft is lubricated well or it will adhere itself and freeze to the post.

4) When old Maytag wringer washers are purchased, often the castors are frozen stiff and/or the wheel are so worn the grout is uneven. You can purchase for about $70 dollars after-market castors, as they are three-times the quality.

5) If you ever run across a Model E with the lettering "LT" at the end, this was a very rare version of the master which included a timer in the bottom-right corner of the machine. It was meant to be used to set the gyrator for a maximum of 15 minutes and then it would ring loud and pull the gyrator lever back inside, will the machine would still remain "ON". While this was deemed to be convenient at first, its downfall is you needed the timer set to operate the wringer, if you needed longer than 15 minutes, the wringer would shut off even while in mid-way of possibly squeezing out a garment. You would have to reach down and turn the timer dial again. Also, the wringer had its problems with the feature of tapping the release bar to set the mechanism back to neutral; fraught with problems on both the timer and wringer, the model feature was eliminated by the late 1950's.

6) The often most either avoided and/or seldomly-discussed topic of Maytag Wringers is where the ON/OFF switch is. As all eventually find out, the 1/4-hp motor is automatically turned on when the plug is inserted into any outlet. First of all, if you have an older 1/4-hp motor, upgrade to later model which was used from the early-1960's until they were discontinued in 1983 as the motors are more efficient as far as electricity-usage. Make sure if the original cord is not present (or even if it is) that is a three-prong ground plug. As far as no on-and-off switch, making one just underneath the gyrator lever is very important. Many Maytag owners will experience over time arcing on one of the prongs of their motor plug. Unlike smaller appliances such as a coffee pot, a motor draws much more when first plugged in; hence the arcing on contact of the plug. It will continue to put unnecessary force and wear on both the motor and which ever wall socket you continually use; in end, it can cause your outlet to need to be replaced or blow your motor. Purchase a waterproof toggle switch, rated for 20AMPS, and drill a small hole below the gyrator lever, and follow correctly how to wire the existence motor cord (which will detach from the motor) and purchase separate wiring for the toggle switch and rewire; if help is needed, visit your local hardware or electric service center for an easy diagram to show you how. I will not post how as I shaunt wish to be responsible for one misunderstanding my directive; I do assure, it is very easy.

For any parts such as gyrators, rubber lid or tub bumpers, castors, and motors, contact Philip Hornyak at Phil's Maytag:

7728 County Rd., 129
Ovid, NY 14521
ovidny@gmail.com

Shop #: (607) 869-2263
Cell #: (315) 246-5518

Note: He is very hard of hearing, his wife usually answers and will tell you e-mail is best! Only call if you have sent an e-mail and he has not replied by a few days.

Waterproof toggle switches rated for 20AMPS may be purchased at local hardware or electric servicing outfits. Avoid ones made in China, if possible. As for the toggle switch cover, this is what I found works both well with the design of the Maytag itself and is period-appropriate:

vintagewireandsupply.com/switch-c...


Any questions? E-mail me: acshore@gmail.com

Aaron





Post# 874748 , Reply# 1   3/28/2016 at 21:23 (2,962 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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I have a lot of questions as some of your information is just wrong.

1. Buy whatever model you want. Every model has its plusses and minuses. The E was likely the most popular and always the most expensive in the Maytag wringer line-up.

2. The cast tub was abandoned in about 1950 for the spun aluminum tub. There are VERY few remaining Es and E2s with cast tubs remaining but there are likely tens of thousands of post-1950 machines out there with spun tubs that are just fine. They were not any more prone to pitting than the cast tubs. All aluminum tubs CAN and DO pit.

3. Maytag switched from the cast aluminum agitator (gyrator) in mid-1949 when they introduced their automatic washer line which also featured a red bakelite agitator. The black bakelite agitator came in 1955 and the turquoise polypropylene agitator came in 1966.

4. This is true.

5. The Maytag wringer time did release the gyrator lever and left the motor running. If the motor is running you can always start the wringer by pushing the lever. You did not need to reset the timer in order to start the wringer.

6. Installing a toggle switch certainly makes some sense from a practical point of of view, but it does alter the appearance of the machine. Personally, the sight of such an addition would make me cringe. Any sort of external switch box would do the same thing without altering the machine.



Post# 874801 , Reply# 2   3/29/2016 at 10:45 (2,961 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)        

Having refurbished my own E2LP that was manufactured in 1964 and using it for 4 years, I 100% agree with Kenmore71.

Post# 874827 , Reply# 3   3/29/2016 at 13:29 (2,961 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)        

Well ... a lot of people will differ on the best machine; it's all a matter of personal preference, I suppose.

All three models of the Maytag wringer produced after WWII are equally with their merits. Most parts for all 3 models can interchange with the biggest exception being the wringer. The model N wringer is definitely a different size. There are other exceptions ... but that is the major one.

Pitting and discoloration in the Model E tub can be an issue, even with the spun aluminum. If the tub is not properly cared for (emptying immediately and rinsing thoroughly with warm water after using caustic chemicals like chlorine bleach, water softener, etc.), pitting, discoloration and marking can certainly occur. The spun aluminum becomes malleable after hot water and chemicals are used.

I love the Model N for washing smaller loads and for bleaching multiple loads. The porcelain tub handles it all really well and again, as long as you rinse thoroughly with warm water, it shouldn't be an issue. I've never had one chip the porcelain through use.

My favorite is the Model J. I love the lid being able to completely remove; it's like you have a huge square to reach into and arrange clothes for washing and wringing.

Agitators? The poly ones are the best for durability. The bakelite ones are super fun to use and quite sturdy. I love the filter bakelite ones (on the order of the automatics from that era ... late 1950's early 1960's) ... it has pumping "action" on the bottom; what could be more fun??? LOTS of suds!! :-)

A toggle switch for the motor? Nah ... you don't need that. Just remember to unplug when you're through. In all the years I've used these machines, I've never had an issue with the wall plug; even with the 2-prong cords. I don't recommend the 2-prong any longer, however, a 3-prong is easy to find and most people can replace one if they just give it a try.

Fortunately, I was able to acquire a 1948 Model E2LTP; what a fun machine! I now have it in storage; it runs beautifully. The fun thing is using the timer; I can see where Mrs. Homemaker, however, from the late 1940's to early 1950's wouldn't like it. It truly shuts off the agitation when the desired washing time is reached. There is a plunger connected to the timer that pushes the agitator control in ... CLUNK and RING, RING, RING!! The motor stays on, you can just keep using the Roller Water Remover. Mrs. Homemaker liked controlling how long things washed; just ask her!! :-)

Here's the sales literature for the E2LTP from that era ...



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Post# 874855 , Reply# 4   3/29/2016 at 16:01 (2,961 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I totally agree with Geoff in reply #3, especially about the Model J. I've used both the J and E models and I much prefer the J for the same reasons as Geoff stated. If I had the set up for a wringer I would definately have one and probably use it exclusively. I find the whole process of doing laundry in a wringer to be very relaxing, and almost "Zen" like. And the added bonus is that you can get a full weeks wash done in just about an hr. Drying does take a little longer because wringers do leave more water than spinning, but to me it would be worth it.
Eddie




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Post# 874858 , Reply# 5   3/29/2016 at 16:43 (2,961 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Having dealt with an aluminum tub in the Hoover TT

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Would likely choose porcelain tub wringer washer if one was going to purchase.

Metals react with many common laundry day chemicals such as bleaches and various alkaline substances. This could make prolonged soaking in a metal tub wringer or one with an agitator of same not a good idea.

It took just one wash using some vintage Cheer detergent (with colour-guard) to dull the once shiny as new tub of the Hoover.

As for the balance of the OP's post do not believe it is fair nor wise to bounce in here with proclamations and laying down laws. Especially when there are members who have been using/around Maytag wringer washers since they were out of short pants (if not before), and either still use them today or at least recently. Then you have to add those who worked in sales and repair of same.

Maytag obviously built three different models of washers to suit various markets. It must have worked because they were the market leader for conventional washers for almost their entire duration of production.

For the record Maytag produced various wringer washers pre-1940 that held the same or so as those made afterwards. Oh and according to my sources the Model "E" was introduced in 1939. www.maytagclub.com/page-16.htm...

Did it ever occur to the OP that the reason Maytag went with the push/pull knob was that women could stop the machine with their knees? Wet/soapy hands, having a child in one's arms, an emergency, etc... all reasons why the beauty of being able to shut off the motor with one jab of the knee would be welcome. Since these washers by and large were not grounded can foresee all sorts of disasters if someone with wet hands reached down and touched a toggle switch if there was stray current roaming about the washer.


Post# 874904 , Reply# 6   3/29/2016 at 21:21 (2,961 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)        

These machines were sure durable; and handsome or beautiful! :-) If you like to use them and have a good set-up, they are quite efficient as well.

Funny you should mention using your knee, Laundress; I have always done that and didn't run across it in the instructions until I read a user's manual from 1982 or 1983. It never appeared in any of the other user manuals!

At any rate, these machines DO operate when plugged in; they stayed running until unplugged. Maytag prided themselves in offering multi-wire plugs to make it safer and quieter operating. With the 3-prong plug, I haven't had any arcing issues. I always dry my hands before unplugging.

Here's a picture of a 1965 Model J that was in constant use by an elderly woman prior to my purchase and as you can see, I use it a lot as well. It is one of my favorite machines and although it isn't a pump model, it sure runs well with the original motor. I keep her "in tune" with plenty of 3-in-1 oil on the casters and I pull the wringer head off occasionally and put a good film of Maytag wringer head lubricant on the shaft. I use lithium grease on the brake on the bottom roller that keeps the drain plate going in the right direction, and I put plenty of drops of 3-in-1 on the old bearing hangers on the upper roll. A good coat of Vaseline on the agitator does the trick for easier removal of the agitator.

Just by putzing and doing little things to these machine makes all the difference. You get years of service from them. I'm not afraid to use any of my machines!!

BTW ... they really like the old fashioned Jubilee Wax that you can still get. They love Turtle Wax as well and shine up beautifully.


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Post# 874907 , Reply# 7   3/29/2016 at 21:30 (2,961 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
Geoff

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your 1965 Model J is beautiful! I had one just like it that I bought in 1972 for $35.00 at the Salvation Army Store in Petaluma, Calif. Mine did have the pump, which made it very convienent to use. I think that no other machine gets laundry any cleaner than a Maytag wringer.
Eddie


Post# 875072 , Reply# 8   3/30/2016 at 23:28 (2,960 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada)        
Regarding capacity and Gyrafoam action ...

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Capacity -

As some of you know, I have two vintage 1935 Model 30s and a 1977 Model E2LP. Geoff has posted the capacity in past posts and if memory serves me correctly, the Model 30 is 17 gallons and the Models E and J are 18 gallons. Not much of a capacity difference. The Model N is a 16 gallon capacity, being the smallest of all models.

Gyrafoam Action -

I use my Model 30WP most frequently and the updated "convex" aluminum gyratator does the same amazing job as the later aluminum or Bakelite versions in Models 32L/E/J/N. I believe the very early models of the "30", as well as the older Models "80", "90", and "A" had a "concave" gyratator that wasn't quite as effective. However, even those original versions do a good job of roll-over. The annoying thing about the earlier version is that it holds water in the four cavities, and when you remove it from the tub it can spill on the floor (speaking from experience, when I give demos of the Model 90 that I restored at the railway museum!)

The photo shows the "concave" gyratator on the left, and the updated "convex" version on the right (standard for later models 30 and 32).


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Post# 875685 , Reply# 9   4/5/2016 at 10:25 (2,954 days old) by e2l-arry (LAKEWOOD COLORADO)        
Interesting read in the new Consumer's Reports

The new MAY 2016 is the 80th anniversary issue and they take a look back at some significant issues from the past. OCTOBER 1947, 1st issue rating Automatic Washing Machines from companies such as Blackstone and Bendix, priced as high as $345.00 ($3,668 in today's dollars). The concluded that they didn't wash as well as the best (Maytag) wringer washers.

I remember growing up and older women, including my own grandmother, resisted getting Automatics because they were convinced they didn't was as well as their old wringers. They must have remembered reading articles like the one in Consumer's Reports and other publications that told them the new Automatics didn't wash clothes as clean as what they were already using.


Post# 875725 , Reply# 10   4/5/2016 at 17:46 (2,954 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If by Bendix

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We are speaking of front loading type of washer, well it wouldn't give good results would it? Problem was soap was still the dominate laundry "detergent" and that substance does not play well in H-Axis washing machines.

It is worth noting commercial/industrial laundries used soap and H-Axis washing machines, but they got much better results. This usually could be put down to more control over the cycles including timing, and the ability of steam heated water and or nearly unlimited supplies of hot to boiling.


Post# 875762 , Reply# 11   4/5/2016 at 21:41 (2,954 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I was hoping to know more. When Grams old early 50's round tub was moved from my basement into my shed where I could wash to my hearts content, not working after that. How do you make a Maytag winger unlock the transmission as I am not tearing it down, shaking it or what. I am not tearing it apart.

Post# 875783 , Reply# 12   4/6/2016 at 07:01 (2,954 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Locked Up MT WW Transmission

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There may not be a way to repair it without taking it apart and at the very least seals and possibly other parts.

 

The most likely area these size up is the agitator shaft seals get worn and let a little water into the gear case. If you think this might be the case you could try turning the washer up-side-down for at least a few weeks in the warmest area possible and [ maybe ] some oil will get into the agitator shaft bushings and you might be able to get it loose enough to run again.

 

Good Luck, John L.



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