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Thread Number: 65077
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Kenmore Belt drive portable burned up belt... Advice? |
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Post# 877025 , Reply# 2 4/14/2016 at 08:30 (2,933 days old) by RevvinKevin  (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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I doubt it's the pump....
This happened to a friend of mine and their 1985 Whirlpool. Wife went into the garage (where W&D are located) and the garage was filled with smoke. I doubt the pump is the problem in your case.
Long story short, the plunger that the wig-wag solenoid moves to move the cam bar to engage/disengage agitation failed and did not disengage it. The timer kept going through the cycle and when it tried to spin, it locked up because it can't agitate and spin at the same time, locking up the transmission and burning the belt.
Hopefully you can see what I'm talking about in this video I shot while diagnosing the problem.
Kevin
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Post# 877028 , Reply# 3 4/14/2016 at 08:46 (2,933 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Kevin is correct, this can happen, and possibly what is the problem in this case....also one of those ghost where is doesn't happen all the time, until you finally catch it acting up....
good and bad of a portable is the whole body comes off so you can view from all directions......and you sort of need that when putting on a new belt.....can be a bit tricky, but if you follow the directions, you can have the new one on in less than an hour...... the setup can throw your mind off track compared to a full size machine, as the spin pulley runs on the back of the belt, and there is a tensioner for the belt.... fun to watch this little machine in action.... keep us posted... | ||
| Post# 877030 , Reply# 4 4/14/2016 at 08:56 (2,933 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Dustin, Is this an older portable with the lever for the casters or the later one with the springy wash basket? A | ||
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Post# 877106 , Reply# 6 4/14/2016 at 17:42 (2,933 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 877118 , Reply# 7 4/14/2016 at 19:00 (2,933 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have to look but IIRC have WP belts and one pump  | ||
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Post# 877125 , Reply# 8 4/14/2016 at 20:06 (2,933 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Dustin,
I remember the pictures of that machine, and yes, I think old style portable without the removable cabinet in white, is that correct? You will need a 95405 belt as mentioned already. If the pump is indeed locked up or failing, tell us if the machine has a manual lint filter or not, but I suspect it does. If it does, things may get a little dicey finding a pump. Normally a manual filter machine of this era would use a 350367 four port pump, but the portables having the mechanicals so close to the floor have a modified four port pump with a redirected filter hose port to better fit the smaller space available. That pump is part number 350370. Unfortunately it is NLA. They appear on ebay at times but can be twice the price of a standard four port. You can try using a regular four port, I know one member who did and he says it works but if this is going back in a friends's bathroom, I would repair the machine with parts meant for it to help avoid anything unforeseen happening. Gordon | ||
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Post# 877126 , Reply# 9 4/14/2016 at 20:10 (2,933 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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350370 pump.... | ||
| Post# 877176 , Reply# 11 4/15/2016 at 09:28 (2,932 days old) by Kenmoreman ( Southern NH) | ||
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Pump If in fact you do need a 350370 pump I believe the bottoms are interchangeable. You can pop the clips and swap the bottom with a 350367. What do you think Gorden? | ||
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Post# 877388 , Reply# 13 4/16/2016 at 23:59 (2,930 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Dustin -
Direct-drive machines are supposed to be easier to work on, that was one of the main criteria in place during their design, that and cost cutting/reduction of the qty of parts. Anyway, many belt-drive motors get uncomfortably hot, I would not worry about that too much. As the motor's bearings age, they can cause more heat. A tight belt will do that too. As long as the machine's cord and plug isn't overly hot, then the motor is not pulling too many amps, and you're probably fine. My hunch is that the motor in this machine is GE made. They made a custom motor just for the portables that was more shallow. I say this because I formed an early opinion years ago that GE motors nearly always ran hotter than their Emerson counterparts. I had a couple that almost burned my finger tips, but they ran load after load. Just keep an eye/ear on it. Gordon | ||
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Post# 877583 , Reply# 15 4/18/2016 at 19:23 (2,929 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Burned Up Belts On WP Built BD Washers THE ONLY reason a belt stalls and get burned through by the spinning motor pulley on a WP BD washer is the belt was too loose and probably worn as well. A sized water pump will cause this. The belt on a WP BD washer only touches 1/4 of the pump pulley so when the pump sizes the washer will run all day long with out running the belt.
But when the belt is worn and loose and the washer goes to shift from agitation to drain the extra strain of operating the cam bar causes the belt to stop moving and the motor keeps running and the belt gets burned through in just a few minutes with lots of smoke. Thousands of people called the fire dept over the years when this happened.
We probably changed at least TWO THOUSAND belts in WP BD washers over the years and seldom changed the pump at the same time unless it showed signs of leaking etc, and we did not get call backs on just replacing the belt.
I have also never seen a WP BD pump size when the bearing was hot, they usually size when they have gotten a little water in the bearing area and the shaft rusts and sizes when you are on vacation and you come home with 6 loads of laundry to do, or when the washer sat idle for a week or so [ I heard that story at least 100 times in my career]
The standard 350367 four port replaces these unusal pumps on these portable washers perfectly, all you do is unsnap the clips off the pump and use the plastic bottom from the old pump and snap it back together and away you go, I NEVER bothered ordering or stocking the special pump for these machines.
John L. | ||
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Post# 877590 , Reply# 16 4/18/2016 at 20:08 (2,929 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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