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POD 6/20/16 - The QUIET Tappen dishwasher
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Post# 886125   6/20/2016 at 14:05 (2,867 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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What year is this from, I assume mid-late 60's??

 

Also what sort of "cleaning system" did this use with it's "automatic reversing action" and without "propellers or a noisy motor"?  

Was it something like a Frigidaire spin tube, but mounted below?

 

This is a rather odd rack design, especially when they claim it's "banquet size capacity".

 

**Robert I hope it's OK I used only this small image from it?

 

Kevin


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Post# 886128 , Reply# 1   6/20/2016 at 14:18 (2,867 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I think it was more like the early 60s Kevin.  The wash system was a screw-drive kind of unit; the only thing I can think that was close to it was the James.  I had a brochure for this model in a Canadian Reader's Digest when I was a brat.  Unfortunately I lost it in a house fire in 1991.

 

These dishwashers have a horrible reputation and I know of one collector here (*cough* a Mr. John Lefever) who found one, hooked it for a test, found how badly it cleaned (or did not clean I suppose) and out the door it went! 

 

I saw one in Montreal a few years ago in pink, but the seller wanted to sell it as part of a package deal with a pink range and refrigerator and would not even consider selling just the dishwasher.  

 

And yes, I still want one despite all this... 


Post# 886129 , Reply# 2   6/20/2016 at 14:36 (2,867 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Per previous discussions, the water action was by way of a spinning cylinder that sprayed water similarly to a tire rotating on the road in a rain.  It reversed direction periodically to spray both sides of the rack(s).


Post# 886130 , Reply# 3   6/20/2016 at 14:38 (2,867 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Thanks for the info Paul & Glenn!   I guess I missed those previous discussions.

 

John tossed one in the dumpster?   I'm surprised he didn't keep it for the museum and put a sign on it "one of the worst performing dishwashers ever made"!

 

 


Post# 886134 , Reply# 4   6/20/2016 at 15:22 (2,867 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I don't recall any details mentioned about the surface of the cylinder.  Presumably it has some sort of texture to pick up the water, like tread on a tire, but there may not be much to it which may account for the "quiet" aspect (and the poor performance).


Post# 886181 , Reply# 5   6/20/2016 at 19:54 (2,867 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The cylinder was bakelite type of affair.  There were baffles mounted at the back of the cylinder that caused the water action as the cylinder spun very quickly.  The "hump" in the bottom rack was to make space for the cylinder underneath it.  My Godfather's family bought a new house in probably 1963 that had a Tappan kitchen in it that had this dishwash3er.  The house we bought in fall of 1961 had the O'Keefe & Merrit version of the same dishwasher.  It was ripped out because we brought the less than 1-2 year old Waste King.  The dishwasher ripped out was put in our old house so the new buyer had a dishwasher in the kitchen where the Waste King had been.  I knew one or two other people who had this dishwasher.  I consider this worse than a Frigidaire Spin Tube.  As for any potential for cleaning even crumbs, it ranks right up there with the washer that had the interchangeable tub to make it a dishwasher.  And I base that on the pathetic "splashing" for that said dishwasher from Dishwashercrazy's video of it.  For that washer, I had expected the "agitator" to wash the dishes with it "spinning" rather than the agitator simply agitating back and forth like when it was washing.  That was a disappointment to me. 


Post# 886194 , Reply# 6   6/20/2016 at 21:06 (2,867 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Early 60s Tappan DW

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The revolving cylinder was about 10" in diameter, the drive motor was mounted inside the cylinder from the rear of the DW [ it would have been a PITA to fix or replace the motor but I am quite sure no one ever bothered to fix one of these DWs ]. The motor ran at 1725 RPMs, the Bakelite surface was completely smooth, the one we had had no fins or ridges of any kind on the outside of the cylinder.

 

Yes I hate to admit that we threw a nearly new unused one of these away, but we did hook it up and use it a few times, and yes it is truly the worst DW I ever tried to use, if I had it to do over again I would have saved it.

 

John L.


Post# 886204 , Reply# 7   6/20/2016 at 22:06 (2,867 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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We had family friends that had one from 1963. Quiet machine.
But they always pre rinsed so couldn't judge performance! I remember the big timer dial that light up. They always had some type of service problems with this unit. I cannot recall what. But after 18 years in 1981 it was replaced with a reverse rack maytag and they always complained about the new machine being real noisy. This was opposite the norm where when most people get a new DW it is actually more quiet than the old!
Peter


Post# 886207 , Reply# 8   6/20/2016 at 22:47 (2,867 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Thanks John for explaining the details about this dishwasher! I like poor performing machines when they do so in a unique way!

Post# 886408 , Reply# 9   6/22/2016 at 10:14 (2,865 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Tappan likened the wash action to a tire picking up water on a wet road, but a tire's surface has texture and treads which this thing's roller did not have. I don't know where they got the nightmare design, but that designer probably did not go far. Maybe it was someone with an MBA who set out to revolutionize machine dishwashing.

Post# 886410 , Reply# 10   6/22/2016 at 10:28 (2,865 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

So would that be one of the worst dishwasher ever built ?

Would it win the coveted title of the worst dishwasher EVER ?

Or does any other make or model come to mind ?


thank you in advance for your answers


Post# 886414 , Reply# 11   6/22/2016 at 10:55 (2,865 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
one of the worst dishwashers ever built

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From what I've heard, ANY of the Tappan dishwashers were pretty bad...  The Dual-Drench model in the ad that started this thread was bad, but apparently, its replacement that had a spring-loaded reversing wash arm was pretty awful as well.  I remember friends who had a 70s Tappan in a reasonably nice apartment where they lived, but the machine had some kind of electric interlock for the door (kind of like the Westinghouse 'Lock N Spin' top-load washers) that held their clean dishes hostage for weeks at a time...   LOL 

 

Frigidaire Spin-Tube dishwashers don't have a great reputation either...  I've still got one but it's not in regular use so I can't say for sure!


Post# 886435 , Reply# 12   6/22/2016 at 13:57 (2,865 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

The exception to the bad Tappan dishwashers might be the one in this episode of the Price is Right.

Go to 8 minute and 24 seconds, and you will see that this Tappan is actually a Whirlpool machine. Correct me if I am wrong.



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Post# 886438 , Reply# 13   6/22/2016 at 14:10 (2,865 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Too funny!  That sure looks like a Whirlpool in Tappan's clothing to me... LOL  

 

Reminds me of a buddy in high school who's folks had something I'd never seen - a Bélanger portable dishwasher that looked like an Inglis/Whirlpool clone to me.  But I digress... As I often do.... 


Post# 886441 , Reply# 14   6/22/2016 at 14:32 (2,865 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

I remember the Bélanger and the Roy brands. Those were the days...

Post# 886442 , Reply# 15   6/22/2016 at 14:40 (2,865 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Those were the days...

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Of what, crappy dishwashers?

(or were those brands good?)

 

Ducks & runs!  surprised tongue-out


Post# 886443 , Reply# 16   6/22/2016 at 14:50 (2,865 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Those brands weren't that great. Re-badge from the main companies of that time. White-Westinghouse or GE, I think. I was about 10 years old.

Those were the days of Harvest Gold and Avocado green. Chrome and wood-grain control panels. I miss those days....


Post# 886444 , Reply# 17   6/22/2016 at 14:52 (2,865 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Roy was notoriously bad...    Some Bélanger appliances (refrigerators and freezers particularly) were rebadged Norges.  Not sure exactly when it happened, but most Roy appliances were Gibson rebadges.  

 

Both offered an automatic washer at some point or another, but I've never seen one in person.  


Post# 886450 , Reply# 18   6/22/2016 at 15:44 (2,865 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Would that be a Tappan too ?

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Post# 886451 , Reply# 19   6/22/2016 at 15:49 (2,865 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Cool photo!  Yep, that looks like the infamous 'Dual Drench' model alright... 

 

Wonder how many of those proud Tappan executives got the gate after this dishwasher was introduced?  LOL 


Post# 886452 , Reply# 20   6/22/2016 at 15:57 (2,865 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

The Top Rack is attached to the bottom rack, contrary to the model in the ad at the top of the thread. The executives were probably well protected in those days. They probably got a nice retirement package. lol.

Post# 886471 , Reply# 21   6/22/2016 at 17:44 (2,865 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
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D&M impeller machines and later D&M single-arm dishwashers probably would get at least an honorable mention alongside the mostly inconvenient   spray-tube machines from Youngstown and Frigidaire.  


Post# 886478 , Reply# 22   6/22/2016 at 18:38 (2,865 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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the POD model was TOL and the model shown with the Tappan execs was the BOL model like what was in the kitchen in the house we bought. 


Post# 886479 , Reply# 23   6/22/2016 at 18:41 (2,865 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yep, I'd say that Tappan is a Whirlpool.  I vaguely remember someone seeing a CL ad a few years ago that was a "Tappan" dishwasher and it was a WP.  I believe Combo52 can confirm these existed. 


Post# 886480 , Reply# 24   6/22/2016 at 18:41 (2,865 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Dual Drench half washed half the load in each wash so it could be called a half-assed dishwasher. I think it might have done better with plates if it held them tilted a ways back like old Westinghouse roll outs so that the water could really fall down on them, but then there would be nothing to wash the backs of the plates.

Maybe Tappan should have offered a recap or retread job on the wash impellers to improve water pick up. The tire compound might get stinky during dry and God forbid you should have a tread separation at high speed. It would smash everything in the machine. They should have stuck to cooking appliances like Maytag should have stuck to cleaning appliances and not tried to revive their glory days of Globe-made gas ranges and Amana-made freezers. Admiral was no Amana and Hardwick was no Globe, although Hardwick's stove design was not banned as a safety hazard. Can you imagine a 30 inch Globe with those controls right over the burners? They would have to put the oven controls up there on top, too.


Post# 886482 , Reply# 25   6/22/2016 at 18:45 (2,865 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The "cylinder" rotated at its 1725 rpm speed during dry cycle for "forced air" drying lol. 


Post# 886520 , Reply# 26   6/23/2016 at 04:12 (2,864 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
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I can't begin to imagine what a PITA that would be to load.  I know the early Hotpoints were set up the same way but they look like they would be a little easier to load than this one.  Maybe not.  I'm glad I have never had to use one.  However, I would still love to have one of the Hotpoints that had the upper and lower racks that moved independently.


Post# 886576 , Reply# 27   6/23/2016 at 10:03 (2,864 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Another Tappan dishwasher, at 13 min 36 sec, in this episode of the Price Is Right. 1974

Very good looking machine from the outside.

Not Whirlpool made, from what I can tell.

Who made this one? Frigidaire maybe....


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Post# 886611 , Reply# 28   6/23/2016 at 15:53 (2,864 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Hotpoint maybe?

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That tower looks to me an awful lot like some of the Hotpoint machines I've seen.


Post# 886638 , Reply# 29   6/23/2016 at 20:26 (2,864 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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That's Tappan is a WCI product!!!


Post# 886645 , Reply# 30   6/23/2016 at 22:19 (2,864 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

WCI.....Thanks. Very nice looking control panel. I wish that show was in HD so I could see the details better. Lol.

Post# 886695 , Reply# 31   6/24/2016 at 06:32 (2,863 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Tappan Dishwashers, one appliance not degraded by the WCI takeover.

Post# 886781 , Reply# 32   6/24/2016 at 15:31 (2,863 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Tappan dishwasher history

Early Tappan dishwasher models introduced to builders in mid-1961 had the rolling drum impeller, with the upper racks riding on the lower rack, similar to early Hotpoints. The TOL model had an option for storing a supply of special detergent solution "Clean" and rinse aid "Bright". That was followed by the top 2 models (out of 4) having the separate upper rack, again like Hotpoint. The next "improvement" for them was the Reversa-Jet with the spring-loaded wash arms. This design worked in relation to the stop/start of the pump, like current Electrolux design and lasted for several years. The final incarnation of this design is the one shown on The Price is Right tv show, with a standard wash arm and pop up tower, still a Tappan design. All Tappan-designed dishwashers had plastisol-coated tanks. After that, Tappan sourced their dishwashers from Whirlpool, GE and D&M before finally being swept up into the post-WCI D&M machine design from the late 90's. Now the only Tappan dishwasher is that piece of crap seen in every Lowe's.

Post# 886793 , Reply# 33   6/24/2016 at 16:06 (2,863 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Thanks Steve for showing us very precise information about these!


Post# 886805 , Reply# 34   6/24/2016 at 18:47 (2,863 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Thanks for all that information. I love knowing all that stuff. But when I tell my friends, they think we're crazy.

Post# 886826 , Reply# 35   6/24/2016 at 22:10 (2,863 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Steve is the go-to-guy for dishwashers. Most anything arcane you want to know, Steve knows.


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