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Post# 903993   10/23/2016 at 14:14 (2,742 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 903994 , Reply# 1   10/23/2016 at 14:17 (2,742 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 903995 , Reply# 2   10/23/2016 at 14:21 (2,742 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Post# 904011 , Reply# 3   10/23/2016 at 16:29 (2,741 days old) by Sbond22 (Grove City, Fl. USA)        
What the hell?

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The answer is probably obvious once the Venezuelan black market situation is understood.

Post# 904065 , Reply# 4   10/24/2016 at 01:47 (2,741 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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What you mean?


Post# 904082 , Reply# 5   10/24/2016 at 07:32 (2,741 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Old GE mixed with new GE?


Post# 904096 , Reply# 6   10/24/2016 at 09:46 (2,741 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Venezuela

has a totalitarian president no? An unfinished tower of David from a failed bank system where destitute squatters now live, or is that in Bogata Columbia?
I saw a program and learned that once you are employed in Venezuela, if you ever are convicted of a crime, you are never employed again, and banished to the mountains, so a black market is a given.


Post# 904114 , Reply# 7   10/24/2016 at 12:47 (2,741 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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And what has this to do with mexican filter flos that are hybrids old and new machines?

Post# 904115 , Reply# 8   10/24/2016 at 12:49 (2,741 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Exactly steven.
Never seen such a thing.
I wonder how is that possible?


Post# 904116 , Reply# 9   10/24/2016 at 12:51 (2,741 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Newer machines got all different mechanics than filter flos....cabinets etc are different..it makes me wonder how can you fit all that in an hybrid, and where were they made?

Post# 904117 , Reply# 10   10/24/2016 at 12:52 (2,741 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I meant venezuelan not mexican.

Post# 904126 , Reply# 11   10/24/2016 at 14:37 (2,741 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Yeah I don't understand what Venezuela's politics has anything to do with GE Frankensteining their own machines for a small, foreign market.
Or maybe it was made by a South American appliance vendor that GE licensed its name and some parts to?
We all know GE is a licensing hussy like DT.

Very interesting.


Post# 904204 , Reply# 12   10/25/2016 at 07:42 (2,740 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
For a few reasons.

How do we know GE did this? I think it was a second party, at least.
No regulation for commerce, no or little economy of scale except the very rich.
Anything goes. Like back yard or home garage mechanics assembling machines from parts and selling them online.
The US has standards for every commodity. There is even a standards board for cheese making.
Down there, you might have a cartel that keeps others out of the competition.


Post# 904266 , Reply# 13   10/25/2016 at 15:04 (2,739 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Look.....
I surf very often South American second hand websites, and that is first time I see such a thing.
You find a lot of actual filter flos down there, as well as newer models, but never something like this.
Ge's FF lay outs were pretty much all the same Canada to Brazil.
Rim flo or not.
In south america you might have found semi automatic ff but no more than that.
You have standards all over because you have factories who produce pieces who adapts to various models....making what for us washer folks can immediately be recognized.
Case in point, in Brazil for example you had Brastemp machines that were nothing else but whirlpools and kenmore hybrids, just looking at it you say WHirlpool...in Colombia you had Centrales brand again whirlpool, in Venezuela you had Philips again whirlpool parts.
Now....whatever it is....even considering someone who made a machibe out of two, well....
That could have been if it was a filter flo top, or console fitting an hotpoint or beaumark machine...as to speak.
But you just cannot easily take a newer model console fit into an older, newer agitators won't fit filter flo trannies,so the baskets...outter tub as well.
Filter flo only had the washtub on balance springs,and outter tub ws still attached to cabinet, they used a boot,newer models had both outter and inner tub on springs....
Again...total different mechanics.
These are new cabinets, old baskets, new agitators.....does not make any sense.
Just like a wp belt drive would not fit easily a modern DD whirlpool...

You have very different layouts and mechanics to make one out of these two.....



Post# 904274 , Reply# 14   10/25/2016 at 15:25 (2,739 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Look.....
I surf very often South American second hand websites, and that is first time I see such a thing.
You find a lot of actual filter flos down there, as well as newer models, but never something like this.
Ge's FF lay outs were pretty much all the same Canada to Brazil.
Rim flo or not.
In south america you might have found semi automatic ff but no more than that.
You have standards all over because you have factories who produce pieces who adapts to various models....making what for us washer folks can immediately be recognized.
Case in point, in Brazil for example you had Brastemp machines that were nothing else but whirlpools and kenmore hybrids, just looking at it you say WHirlpool...in Colombia you had Centrales brand again whirlpool, in Venezuela you had Philips again whirlpool parts.
Now....whatever it is....even considering someone who made a machibe out of two, well....
That could have been if it was a filter flo top, or console fitting an hotpoint or beaumark machine...as to speak.
But you just cannot easily take a newer model console fit into an older, newer agitators won't fit filter flo trannies,so the baskets...outter tub as well.
Filter flo only had the washtub on balance springs,and outter tub ws still attached to cabinet, they used a boot,newer models had both outter and inner tub on springs....
Again...total different mechanics.
These are new cabinets, old baskets, new agitators.....does not make any sense.
Just like a wp belt drive would not fit easily a modern DD whirlpool...

You have very different layouts and mechanics to make one out of these two.....



Post# 904276 , Reply# 15   10/25/2016 at 15:35 (2,739 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Older GE's filter flo you find in Venezuela were made by fabrica Madosa in caracas.



Post# 904278 , Reply# 16   10/25/2016 at 16:18 (2,739 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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For example.
Older colombian Centrales branded machines could have been either belt drive "whirlpool" machines or Ge filter flo.
But kept the style older-older..



Post# 904329 , Reply# 17   10/26/2016 at 06:54 (2,739 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I see,

Ok, it may very well be the first you have seen this because fabrica Madoosa was a legitimnate licensed assembler for GE, as was Centrales, but they are now defunct.
Thus, there may be a few who put together machines with parts from whom and where ever they can get them.
Parts is parts, just like the old Brazilian Ford Galaxie that retained the 1965-'66 body throughout it's production life, with a name change to "Landau" and new grille and tail treatment in about 1975 to make it look more like an American LTD at the front. I think Ford do Brazil used LTD for the mid size Fairlane though.
GM do Brazil used Opel Commodore copies but named them Chevrolet Opala.
Some Brazlian VW's were even marketed as Ford's. I think VW bought the Ford plant in Sao Paulo (San Bernardino del Campo).


Post# 904334 , Reply# 18   10/26/2016 at 07:38 (2,739 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
LOL!

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That would be me! :P

Looks like some of the Frankenstein machines Ive pulled off in the past, though who ever did this one, sure knew how to get completely incompatible parts to works besides one another. Serious talent possessed by the creator(s).


But in all seriousness, my best guess would be a parts surplus around the time they started making non FF machines and were cleverly adapted to make up for lost production costs. At least thats what make sense to me.


If these are actual FFs or new style GEs Im leaning toward new style but in all honesty I am totally clueless in that regard. I would not be to surprised if pooping the hood on one of those raised more questions then answers, but Id sure like to see it anyway lol.


Is any member capable of obtaining one of those?


Post# 904371 , Reply# 19   10/26/2016 at 13:35 (2,739 days old) by Sbond22 (Grove City, Fl. USA)        
Is any member capable of obtaining one of those?

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Perhaps there are a few "floating" around in the South Florida area.

Post# 904396 , Reply# 20   10/26/2016 at 18:03 (2,738 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Similar to the car business, they probably shipped the dies for the FF cabinet (beveled rear-opening lid etc etc) to the Venezuelan manufacturer who did the metal-bending locally and imported the poly transmissions/tubs; but continued to make the metal tubs locally. That Hotpoint came on a boat from Miami.


Post# 904409 , Reply# 21   10/26/2016 at 19:29 (2,738 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
exactly jamiel,

The Mazda machinery at the Ford Flat Rock plant were never even bolted down to the floors. They ran the Probe, Cougar, 626, and the new"6" until the Tsunami hit Japan in 2010, then they were out of there.
Ford has it back now running Mustangs (100%), some Fusions, and Lincoln MKZ's or new Continental. The balance of production is in Mexcio now, along with all north American Focus assembly. If Wayne gets a new Ranger pickup, it will stay open, but it's as long in the tooth as Wixom was, so who knows? Ford may the same route as Chrysler and GM, with most cars coming from Canada, or Mexico, and trucks domestically.


Post# 904579 , Reply# 22   10/28/2016 at 09:54 (2,737 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

Following the analogy to cars (anyone remember Dacia?), might these machines be available (new or used) from countries that have or had good trade relations with Venezuela?

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Necessity is the mother of invention:

Back in the 80's Lada bought the rights (and a whole factory too, IIRC) to the Fiat 124. It re-designed and re-jiggered many bits & pieces to adapt the car to the dirt roads and cold weather of northern Russia. I drove one for a week & 500+ miles. I'd happily have brought it home with me; it was that good. The 124 based series is collectively referred to as the Riva. Link below.

Jim


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Post# 904686 , Reply# 23   10/29/2016 at 11:41 (2,736 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes,

Dacia was the Romanian car by Renault. Lada's were sold in Canada for a while during the late 70's and early 80's.
Henry Ford assisted in setting up the ZIL plants in the 1920's and 30's.
The Moskvitch car was an Opel Kadette variant.
Germany developed a modern Trabant, not yet in production. It is not fiberglass.


Post# 904720 , Reply# 24   10/29/2016 at 13:00 (2,736 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

My parents had 2 R16's. So did an aunt. Neighbors had an R12, from which the Dacia came. Very good cars.

In Poland the Trabant was rumoured to be made of paper (really, corrugated cardboard). Wasn't there a movie made out of it, called "Go Trabi, Go!"

Shortly after the wall came down I driving from Hamburg to the ferry in Puttgarten when I saw ALL the cars in front of me swing as one into the left two lanes of the 5 lane autobahn. I thought the story I'd heard/read somewhere was a joke... but no. A Trabant came down the exit ramp and went directly to the middle lane as if the right 2 lanes were part of the ramp. No signals and definitely no increase in speed. I wondered how many accidents were caused by East Germans not understanding how highways work?

Jim


Post# 904803 , Reply# 25   10/30/2016 at 08:11 (2,735 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes Jim,

Go Trabbi Go it was. Parts of the car were in fact cardboard coated with gel coat or fiberglass. Some democratic republic, but not really, nor very tree friendly, but they likely had to pay in full in advance, and wait 5 years for one.
Friday afternoon, I drove to my local Menards store, and a woman was exiting the lot in the entrance lane to the main road in a Volvo convertible. I was behind one car, and then a man in a Honda Accord turned left into the lot in front of us and nearly hit her head on. It took he and the Volvo a full minute to move out of the way, and two more cars were backed up on the main road behind me.
I don't know if she was simply disoriented because most lots today have at least a narrow island between the entrance and exit of a lot, or she was on her phone.
I still see so many looking down in their laps or texting while driving, even on the free ways.



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