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Post# 905319   11/3/2016 at 14:50 (2,730 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

Hello
I searched everywhere for info on my old, wonderful Maytag A606 washer (color sky blue!)I was thrilled to find this forum.
My trusty old Maytag has been chugging right along faithfully since my folks bought it second hand way back in the very early 70's.
It is mine now (for the past 25 years) and I love how it cleans the clothes and I have NO desire to buy new.
Last week however the agitator stopped working during the regular wash cycle. I moved the dial to rinse and it drained, filled and thankfully spun out the clothes.
Hubby opened it up today, belts look good, in fact the inside looks great - no rust etc.
I found a few parts online at repairclinic.com but not much. Because it spins but does not agitate we are thinking it is a problem with the transmission.

We tested it again today by just filling it with water. The agitator does not move but the tub spins as fast as ever.

This weekend my husband is going to take that apart. At this point I guess we have nothing to lose.
I sure don't want to have to buy one of these new junk machines.

Can anyone offer some advice on this washer?

I would appreciate ANY suggestions.

Thank you!





Post# 905320 , Reply# 1   11/3/2016 at 15:00 (2,730 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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can we make sure its not the motor causing the issue.....

you could have the machine laying down if you choose, take the belts off, and spin the center main pulley, one direction it should make the whole tub and tranny spin, the other direction, the tranny should lock, and only the agitator should move......what are you results?

your not specific as in what happens when the machine tries to agitate, any noise from the motor at all?...humming?...dead silence?

keep us posted


Post# 905340 , Reply# 2   11/3/2016 at 16:49 (2,730 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
I am sorry I did not elaborate more, posting about appliances is new to me. Hubby is at work so I am trying to explain this without his input.

The motor is NOT dead. It is humming. When it gets to the rinse cycle the water drains and spins as fast as it always has (thank goodness, I had a tub full of very heavy, wet clothes the night it stopped washing.

Today before he left for work my husband set it on it's side and removed the belts.
They did not look frayed or worn. He put them back on and and we let the tub fill up as if I were going to do a small load. Just as before, the motor hummed as it does when washing but the agitator does not move. When it got to the rinse/damp dry cycle it drained and spun etc

I will show him your post with your suggestions tonight when he comes home and I can let you know what else he checked.

Thank you again for your help. I love this machine (as I do my old Kitchen Aid dishwasher and my 1960's era Kenmore cook top)
It's not that we are cheap. The products made nowadays are overpriced, disposable junk.


Post# 905343 , Reply# 3   11/3/2016 at 17:18 (2,730 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Welcome.

New England ??? There are quite a few of us here.

What KitchenAid Dishwasher do you have ?

Anyway tell hubby the Searchilator at the top right of this forum might be able to help with the problem.

And the Experts are on and out all day ;)


Post# 905345 , Reply# 4   11/3/2016 at 17:39 (2,730 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Is it possible that the agitator popped loose? Or is maybe stripped out?


Post# 905347 , Reply# 5   11/3/2016 at 17:47 (2,730 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

Hi fellow New Englander! We are in NH.
My Kitchen Aid dishwasher is model KDC-21A

I love appliances that have knobs! When we finally had to replace our old Modern Maid wall oven I searched all of the stores for one that had actual knobs and found only one! It happens to be a Maytag.


Post# 905388 , Reply# 6   11/4/2016 at 00:37 (2,730 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

"can we make sure its not the motor causing the issue.....

you could have the machine laying down if you choose, take the belts off, and spin the center main pulley, one direction it should make the whole tub and tranny spin, the other direction, the tranny should lock, and only the agitator should move......what are you results?

your not specific as in what happens when the machine tries to agitate, any noise from the motor at all?...humming?...dead silence?

keep us posted"

Yogitunes we are going to try your suggestions this weekend and I will let you know the results.


Post# 905391 , Reply# 7   11/4/2016 at 01:46 (2,730 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        
Searchalator Access

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Eddie,
I don't think the Searchalator is available to non upgraded members.


Post# 905399 , Reply# 8   11/4/2016 at 03:57 (2,730 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I can only repeat what has already been said. When it has filled to the desired water level does the motor just hum or can you hear it actually start running? If the motor just hums and does not actually turn the belts, it is probably a timer problem or motor problem. If it does actually run and the belts are turning, it is a transmission problem, but that would be an unusual thing to happen so suddenly. If hubby takes the front off of the machine and runs it, you will be able to tell for sure if the motor is running because of the pump. When the motor runs you can see the pump impeller turning. If it is a timer or even motor related problem, I am sure you could easily find replacement parts and they are fairly easy to install.

Post# 905404 , Reply# 9   11/4/2016 at 05:45 (2,729 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
To Clarify:

There is a difference between the motor humming and the motor actually running. If the motor were actually running and the transmission were not turning, there would be an instant smell of burning rubber. I suspect that the motor is not turning in one direction, the direction for agitation because the motor reverses direction from agitation to spin.

Have you tried the Permanent Press Cycle to see if it agitates in that cycle? It the Permanent Press Cycle gives agitation, but not the regular cycle that might be a clue that you have timer problems.


Post# 905440 , Reply# 10   11/4/2016 at 10:30 (2,729 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Update via Hubby

Here is some more info now that hubby is home:

When the front was off he checked the belts, took them off, nothing chewed up or frayed. Ran through a cycle with the timer moving but agitator did not. The timer ran itself, moved to rinse where it emptied and spun. It did everything BUT agitate. Timer seems to be working. Hubby watched tub spin, belts spin and water empty, motor obviously works in that direction (No smell of belts either)

He is going to check Saturday (tomorrow) the suggestions you have written.
He would like to ask does the motor spin BACKWARDS to agitate? He will study that tomorrow and he is wondering is it possible that the motor is only working in one direction? And that is why the spin cycle works but the agitate does not.
Perhaps half the motor no longer works ie reverse direction?

There is a replacement motor sold on repairclinic, would it be prudent to buy that before trying to open up the transmission? I found no parts for the transmission except the pulley.

This washer has two buttons: Gentle Cycle and Regular Wash. Three water temps and the dial simply has numbers on timer ie 12 down to 2.

Hubby can repair this as he does all of our car works and mechanical at his job. It is only a matter of obtaining the parts which nowadays is difficult even for old cars and tractors etc






Post# 905441 , Reply# 11   11/4/2016 at 10:37 (2,729 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I had a new motor pulley installed on me LA511 last year. It still ran fine but had an annoying rat a tat while agitating and spinning. Yes, the motor goes one way for agitation and opposite way for spin/drain.

Post# 905443 , Reply# 12   11/4/2016 at 11:04 (2,729 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Photos

I thought you might like to see some photos...

By the way, this old beauty even traveled across country with us when we moved here from our home state of CA thirty years ago. She traveled over 3,000 miles in a Ryder rental truck.


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Post# 905444 , Reply# 13   11/4/2016 at 11:09 (2,729 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Non-agitating Maytag

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It sounds like the motor is not running in the agitate direction, this is definitely an electrical problem and it is not the motor, if the motor runs in One Direction for spinning it will work in the other direction likely a timer problem

Post# 905495 , Reply# 14   11/4/2016 at 18:25 (2,729 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Don't go into the transmission!

 

I did not realize it was a pre-Permanent Press model.


Post# 905501 , Reply# 15   11/4/2016 at 19:11 (2,729 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

Tomturbomatic my hubby has been very reluctant to touch the transmission and he has not at this point.
I will certainly tell him what you said.
He figured that if all else failed and we were going to have to send it off to the local landfill only then would he look into it. But only at that point.

By the way, I know it is a pretty old unit. Do you have any idea of its age? As I said before, my folks bought it used from a co-worker of my dad and that was very early 70's.


Post# 905509 , Reply# 16   11/4/2016 at 20:33 (2,729 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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You guys ought to go to Maytag 906 Extravaganza that a member posted a while ago, it is on You Tube too. It will show you just how the Maytags of our vintage runs, top, bottom, inside and out in 4 minutes from fill and final spin. Most of those older Maytags, like my 511, have the same setup. Shows the complete set up and how everything went together, including transmission.

Post# 905514 , Reply# 17   11/4/2016 at 23:58 (2,729 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        
You mean like this, Tim?

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I wish that video was made with the '66-'68 (?) older style timer. I just noticed the date code on the motor in that video. It's January 1972, so the machine was probably made sometime in 1972.




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Post# 905542 , Reply# 18   11/5/2016 at 09:30 (2,728 days old) by ottoreese (Indianapolis, Indiana )        

I cant stop whistling that song now! I love that video. :-)

Post# 905543 , Reply# 19   11/5/2016 at 09:42 (2,728 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

If you can find a replacement timer, your problems most likely will be over.

Post# 905589 , Reply# 20   11/5/2016 at 19:11 (2,728 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
UPDATE

As instructed by Yogitunes we removed the belts, spun the center main pulley and going one direction the entire tub and tranny spun.
But spinning it the opposite direction nothing spun. Not the tub or the agitator.

Could it be the pulley rather than a timer or transmission issue?

Repairclinic.com sells a Maytag Washing Machine Drive Pulley WP6-2301530, RepairClinic Item #4435265.
They say it fits our model washer and is an OEM Part - Manufacturer #WP6-2301530





Post# 905591 , Reply# 21   11/5/2016 at 19:25 (2,728 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Transmission.


Post# 905592 , Reply# 22   11/5/2016 at 19:34 (2,728 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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yeah, exactly, you need to replace the whole transmission.....

Post# 905594 , Reply# 23   11/5/2016 at 19:52 (2,728 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

Could it be possible that this part would work:

Maytag Washing Machine Brake Assembly WP6-2011900

RepairClinic Item #1472923 | Whirlpool OEM Part #WP6-2011900

Could it be that the brake assembly isn't working to agitate?





Or is it time for me to go looking on craigslist for an older washer and say good-bye to an old friend...............


I thank all of you for your help, I appreciate it tremendously.


Post# 905608 , Reply# 24   11/5/2016 at 22:40 (2,728 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Something to Consider?

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If you're really attached to the machine, the experts here should be able to advise if you could possibly use the turquoise cabinet and existing control panel on another Maytag with the same specs, so outwardly it would still appear to be the same machine.

 

It wouldn't be a very complicated operation.  The toughest part might be finding a donor Maytag in proper working order.

 

Or, you could say goodbye to a machine that has been faithful for +/- 50 years and upgrade to a nice previously owned 806 model (pictured) with more capacity and cycle options, but otherwise built to the same high standards that have served you so well.

 

Whatever you decide, if it means your turquoise machine will be up for grabs, someone here may be interested in it.

 

 

 


Post# 905813 , Reply# 25   11/7/2016 at 09:15 (2,726 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Someone Here May Want To See This....

This matching set of an A806 are on nh.craigslist.
Athol MA is way too far from us but I would love to see one of my fellow New Englanders get this.
Looks like a rare find.
Perhaps someone here on here knows how to post this to other members



CLICK HERE TO GO TO msmaiden's LINK on Westernmass Craigslist


Post# 905838 , Reply# 26   11/7/2016 at 12:03 (2,726 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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I think you should take a quick road trip and grab it.

I Love my 806. Mine is a 1973.


Post# 905891 , Reply# 27   11/7/2016 at 17:53 (2,726 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Decent set, at a decent price. Worth the drive,


Post# 905894 , Reply# 28   11/7/2016 at 18:28 (2,726 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I got a '72...with a Suds Saver!....

you wont be sorry for all it can do!......


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Post# 905897 , Reply# 29   11/7/2016 at 18:31 (2,726 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I concur...you should take a trip and get that set!


Post# 905899 , Reply# 30   11/7/2016 at 18:42 (2,726 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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A quick look through this tells me it is a timer problem.
If it spins out, the motor, belts and pulleys are fine.
I could diagnose this in about 3 minutes with a test cable if I were close by.


Post# 905912 , Reply# 31   11/7/2016 at 19:42 (2,726 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Test cable?

I know it is a nice set but I'm sorry, western Mass is just too far of a drive for us.

Kenmore71, what kind of test cable would be needed? My husband works on our old, classic cars(1960's and '70's) so he has various equipment he uses to test electrical and other systems on them.

I am looking over craigslist for another washer but the old gal is still in the cellar. We haven't parted with her yet.

I did consider a new Speed Queen but it's hard to spend that kind of $$. If I thought it would last even half as long as my old Maytag then perhaps we would buy one.

I want a washer that actually fills with water, has an agitator and doesn't take an hour + to do a load of clothes.

I have my eye on a 2001 Whirlpool or 2004 Kenmore that are close by. I know - they are junk but they are cheap enough and I need a washer now. I cant keep dragging my laundry over to my folks. Even if I get a few years use from them as long as the parts are available hubby can repair them.


Post# 905922 , Reply# 32   11/7/2016 at 20:57 (2,726 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Where are you in New Hampshire ?

I have some free time. If your interested, and want the set, I might be able to get them for you for the cost of fuel and a Good Will donation. LOL.

It would take me 2.5 hours to get to Athol. Then to you... And then I could stop off at jetcone's house to annoy the hell out of him and go back to the Cape the next day.

Let me know.


Post# 905946 , Reply# 33   11/7/2016 at 23:45 (2,726 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        

I should have said 2004 Whirlpool GSW9800PW, not Kenmore. The 2001 Whirlpool is a LSR8433KQ0

Thank you toploader55 for such a generous offer but I will get by with one of those used machines.

Considering how difficult it is to get spare parts perhaps you should consider adding it to your collection :)

That's what hubby used to do in regards to his old cars. He used to be able to buy an entire car for a few hundred bucks and get parts off of them.

And I'm all set for dryers, we have two and no room for another.


Post# 906580 , Reply# 34   11/11/2016 at 19:33 (2,722 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Another Update......

Hubby took apart the bottom pulley and bearing. Was full of what looks like trans oil.
He was able to free the agitator but it seems to be sticking when he moves it back and forth by hand.

He believes the transmission ran out of oil.
Repairclinic.com sells trans oil for it. Hubby asks you experts if there is an oil fill plug or does he have to remove bolts at the gasket in order to fill it.

He thinks the trans may run a while longer with oil.
Here is a link to the trans oil they sell:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO msmaiden's LINK


Post# 906605 , Reply# 35   11/12/2016 at 00:48 (2,722 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Here's  a picture of a jug of genuine Maytag transmission oil.    The Repair Clinic part/item number incorporates the Maytag part number (56080) and is also 34 oz., so I'd say go ahead and order  it -- and put the Speed Queen order on hold.

 


Post# 906622 , Reply# 36   11/12/2016 at 06:30 (2,721 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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You pretty much have to pull the transmission out to add oil. Major job, for maybe meager results.


Post# 906626 , Reply# 37   11/12/2016 at 08:05 (2,721 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Adding Oil To A MT Transmission

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A lack of oil can cause these transmissions to get very tight if it has really leaked for a long time and has lost almost all of its oil.

 

The main reason most MTTs size up is the top agitator shaft bearing gets tight from a little water getting in it coupled with the fact that oil does not get into the top agitator shaft bearing very well.

 

If you want to try to get this washer agitating again without a complete tear-down and rebuilding you can try one or both of these suggestions.

 

1, turn the washer completely up-side-down for at least a few days and the reaming oil may run into the top agitator shaft bearing, warming up the transmission can help this effort.

 

2, drill a 1/4" hole in the side of the trans [ if you look at a picture of one of these trans opened up you can see the best place to drill the hole ] and pump 12 ounces of oil in the trans with a little oil pump can, you will have to reseal this hole by tapping and installing a pipe plug. If you do this I would use a much better oil than the MT stuff, go to an auto parts store and get some really good gear oil. When doing this again leave the washer USD for at least a few days and turn the main pulley in the agitation direction by hand to help get the oil worked into the top bearing.

 

John L.


Post# 906642 , Reply# 38   11/12/2016 at 10:34 (2,721 days old) by msmaiden (new england)        
Thank you combo52

Thanks for the detailed instructions! Hubby is going to go with your #2 suggestion. He likes that idea and is going to give it a try in the coming weeks.

He knows how to make a plug because he does all of our auto work and has the kits he needs.
And you just saved us $$ from buying the trans oil from repairclinic. He doesnt want to do a complete overhaul and this suggestion will hopefully keep it running for awhile longer.

He asks if 90w gear oil will work.

And thanks rp2813 for the photo


Post# 906698 , Reply# 39   11/12/2016 at 18:43 (2,721 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Adding Oil To A MT Transmission

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90 weight gear oil should be fine, let us know how it works out.


Post# 906738 , Reply# 40   11/13/2016 at 01:07 (2,721 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        
906 Video:

That is a great video. Sometimes I play it to just to hear the music.


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