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Thread Number: 7073
AWESOME - Almost Vintage Miele Washer and Dryer? |
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Post# 139675 7/3/2006 at 00:28 (6,506 days old) by westtexman  (Lubbock, Texas) |
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I really want this set, but it says it runs on 3-phase power? I'm not an electrician, but I'm wondering if this just needs a standard 220V outlet? Isn't 3-phase power something different, like those used in laundromats? Bryan CLICK HERE TO GO TO westtexman's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 139677 , Reply# 2 7/3/2006 at 00:49 (6,506 days old) by westtexman (Lubbock, Texas) |
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Another stupid question . . . How difficult is it for an electrician to wire 3-phase outlet in my exisitng house (built in 2005)?? I REALLY want these machines. LOL. | ||
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Post# 139678 , Reply# 3 7/3/2006 at 00:52 (6,506 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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yes and no
True 3-phase was commonly used by Miele in those years. I had a dishwasher and washer which both could be hooked up to take advantage of it. At the same time, both could also be set to run on standard 220V 50 Hz single phase. I think you could get into some very interesting issues with these machines. Nothing beyond a solution, but it could get very expensive and complicated. Or very simple indeed, if they are equiped to cope with the voltage and phase (and cycle)you have available to you. Best to find out from the seller what the exact situation is. There are two places where the hook up is explained. One, in the schematics which are always included in Miele appliances (usually under the front kickplate, but not always) and, two, next to the terminals where the power is connected. We have had some wonderful discussions on this topic over time, I maintain that anyone who just "assumes" US 220V is the same as European is asking for, at the very least, some interesting adventures. But nothing is impossible, if you can get the heating element problem solved the rest has a low enough current draw to make a solution reasonable. Great machines by the way, though absolute leveling is a must. Oh, and they weigh quite a bit, take that into account when installing them (even Miele laundry equipment breaks down occasionally). | ||
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Post# 139679 , Reply# 4 7/3/2006 at 00:58 (6,506 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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worst/best case
Just saw the other posts - overlap here. Miele stocks parts forever, so it won't be a problem to swap out the 3-phase heating elements (only part running 3-phase) against single phase. Not cheap. Possibly - see my last post - not needed.# As for wiring your place. Best case, the machines can accomodate you as things are now. I very much doubt this. Worst case - there is equipment to "generate" true 3-phase off of single phase. It works by using a motor running on your available current to drive a "generator" which then powers the machines. But that high current draw means this would be rather expensive. Again, talk to the seller. Oh - and remember - Miele built lots of these machines, they last forever, and if you can't get these, there are others. | ||
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Post# 139687 , Reply# 6 7/3/2006 at 04:16 (6,506 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hhhmmmm
Hi Bryan I would think it very expensive to have 3 phase installed in your home, its the factory / industrial electrical supply, Also I wonder how much work these machines have had given where they have come from, then again they are Miele`s... Another thought with the 220v schematic I wonder if parts are available what would it cost to swap out the motor, heaters wiring loom etc?? given you might get them for peanuts....could be a nice little project!!! | ||
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Post# 139701 , Reply# 8 7/3/2006 at 08:06 (6,506 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Far as one knows, and am by no means an expert; the WS5425 series were not sold in the United States. Just because luxury yacht is being over-hauled in the States, does not mean the original fitting out was done there. The units could have been purchased anywhere else, and fitted in. WSE 5425 could be wired several different ways, and there was also a version just for marine use (such as the one in the auction). Performance specifications Load ratio: 5 kg Drum volume: 48 l Spin speed: 1200 rpm g-factor: 385 Control system Electronic controls Multitronic MC 13 with 13 fixed programmes Programme modification possible Additional user-programmable functions (PFT) Programme sequence display Temperature and countdown indicators Pushbutton for door release Drive Digitally controlled d.c. motor Features Special heater elements Hot and cold water connection Coin mechanism connection option Heating Electric Dispensing technology - Three compartment soap drawer in facia Wash technology Scoop-and-ladle technology Gentle start mechanism Interim spin Design Freestanding washer-extractor White enamelled casing Stainless steel front panel available (dealer fit option) Stainless steel suds container and drum Extruded drum perforations Drain pump with non-kinking hose Wide door opening angle Recycling-friendly design with labelled virgin polymers 3 variants including 230V version with 13A plug Marine version with integrated transformer for 3-phase 3 wire connection and junction box to accept armoured cable Dimensions: H x W x D: 85 x 59.5 x 71.5 cm Note the marine version must be wired into an isolator. Possible electircal connections: WSE5425 440v 3 phase power without neutral 60hz 440v 3 phase power without neutral 50hz 230v 3 phase power without neutral 60hz 400v 2 phase power 50hz Other connections are possible for single and two phase machines, but the washers in question are three phase, so it does not apply. However in case you are wondering, those machines run on 50hz at either 400v/2 phase/neutral/2x15amp fuse, or 230v-240v/1 phase/neutral/30amp UK fuse). If at all serious about these units, request a clear photograph of the electrial plate found on all Miele units. You will be able to see the electrical requriments from this information, as well as the serial number. Personally,though interesting prospect as it may be, I shouldn't bother love. Three phase power is not something easily run into most residential homes, and even if one did, you'd have a washer with only 13 set programs. Modifying requires a Miele tech, and if the units were never sold in the United States, they may not have the means to do the reprogramming. Miele is introducing large "commerical" units for home use later this year. They won't be as inexpensive as these units may go for, but certianly will be after factoring in the cost of rewiring/bringing in three phase power. L. | ||
| Post# 139796 , Reply# 9 7/3/2006 at 14:40 (6,506 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent) | ||
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Keeep them please. They are the last one with the special door opening. Not to small but not to big either. Some where in the middle. | ||
| Post# 139829 , Reply# 11 7/3/2006 at 17:32 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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As promised Brayn, this is the English brochure corresponding to your next Miele washer and dryer pair! The washer is 5 kg, the dryer is 6 kg. These machines will last forever! 
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| Post# 139834 , Reply# 12 7/3/2006 at 17:39 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 2nd. page 
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| Post# 139840 , Reply# 13 7/3/2006 at 17:53 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 3rd. page 
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| Post# 139841 , Reply# 14 7/3/2006 at 17:54 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 4th. page 
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| Post# 139844 , Reply# 15 7/3/2006 at 17:58 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 5th. page 
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| Post# 139848 , Reply# 16 7/3/2006 at 18:03 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 6th. page 
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| Post# 139849 , Reply# 17 7/3/2006 at 18:08 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 7th. page 
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| Post# 139851 , Reply# 18 7/3/2006 at 18:14 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 8th. page 
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| Post# 139854 , Reply# 19 7/3/2006 at 18:20 (6,506 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 9th. page 
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| Post# 139858 , Reply# 20 7/3/2006 at 18:26 (6,505 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 10th. page 
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| Post# 139860 , Reply# 21 7/3/2006 at 18:33 (6,505 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 11th. page 
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| Post# 139863 , Reply# 22 7/3/2006 at 18:39 (6,505 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Miele brochure 12th. page 
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Post# 139865 , Reply# 23 7/3/2006 at 18:46 (6,505 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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ok, so 'tis like I thought it was
just the heating elements were set up for three phase and the whole thing can be run on 220-240,single phase. Again, US 220V is not the same as the European stuff and even if its theoretical capabilities are ok, in the real world you have so many potential "issues" with this setup, I would seriously think about either the solutions listed above with 3-phase or skipping these machines, beautiful as they are. | ||
| Post# 140081 , Reply# 26 7/4/2006 at 15:12 (6,505 days old) by westyslantfront () | ||
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Hi Bryan. I was told that in residential areas, 3 phase is not available from the power lines and that it is only available in areas that are zoned for commercial property. Ross | ||
| Post# 140446 , Reply# 27 7/6/2006 at 00:51 (6,503 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I would gather that everytime you used these machines, your entire neighborhoods lights would dim! | ||
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Post# 140447 , Reply# 28 7/6/2006 at 01:15 (6,503 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 140629 , Reply# 29 7/6/2006 at 21:14 (6,502 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Glenn,
maybe not so unusual - rural areas often have need for 3-phase, so it might not have been that big a problem to lay it in. My folks had a true 3-phase air-conditioner in the late 60's which was noisy as all get out but sure cooled the house down in null-komma-nichts. And we were out in the sticks. Were? Of course the total current draw on these machines is not all that great; the advantage of 3-phase is that it ups the efficiency and lowers the cost. And cuts the heating time. | ||
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Post# 140651 , Reply# 30 7/7/2006 at 00:19 (6,502 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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when I lived in a large hi-rise apartment building-the HVAC units in the 1 bedroom and 2 bedroom apartments ran off 208V 3Ph.These would have been standard residential units.They were "Luxaire" brand.Was a nice unit.The 3 Ph motors are more efficient. | ||
| Post# 146455 , Reply# 32 8/1/2006 at 19:59 (6,476 days old) by mrx () | ||
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I have a pair of non commercial mieles that are IDENTICAL to those machines in terms of design. They just have a different exterior design + control panel is classic novotronic. | ||
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