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Post# 969424   11/22/2017 at 16:51 (330 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Here you go folks. Enjoy! Thanks to Kirk Rivas for filming this washer! The wash tub looks nice and wide.








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Post# 969429 , Reply# 1   11/22/2017 at 18:25 (330 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Thank you, I like! :)

Post# 969434 , Reply# 2   11/22/2017 at 18:51 (330 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Your welcome! Kirk is a great guy going to the trouble to film these machines for the public. Similar to GE's current crop of top loaders with decent turnover.

That jeans load was a good indicator of how well this machine can circulate a big load like that. This to me is the only real competitor to Speed Queen now for a top load washer. That warranty is very enticing. I always wanted to see a video of this machine in action and now I have.

I like that it switches agitator speeds during washing. Fast like a DD and then switches to a long slower stroke.

Kirk says he will be filming many cycles with this washer. I want to see what the normal cycle does.. how high the water level is. It has no load sensor so that will be interesting.

Hope Whirlpool offers other models like this with more options. I may have to visit the dealer where I bought my Speed Queen and check to see if they have this washer in on the sales floor.




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Post# 969436 , Reply# 3   11/22/2017 at 19:03 (330 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
How Revolutionary!

Using water to wash clothes! Maybe it'll start a trend...

Post# 969437 , Reply# 4   11/22/2017 at 19:04 (330 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Seems to be a no BS top loader.
Cuts right into the next cycle with no stupid sensing spins.
Me Like!
Not the mention that aggressive agitation!


Post# 969443 , Reply# 5   11/22/2017 at 19:34 (330 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

This washer does a lot of things right that any other washer - be it TL or FL - could learn from.
Seperating the actual rating cycle from the cycle the consumer will use most has been standard over here and makes a lot of sense especially with electronicly controlled machines.
Allows for proper washing while hitting ratings.
Next, it knows what water it needs. Forcing lower water usage to the point your wash system no longer works is just stupid. An agitator washer simply needs clothes to be suspended in water. A FL needs water to quickly and effectivley filter through the laundry.
Oh, and it allows for a wide range of options. From single spray to double deep rinse.

One thing that is sad though: I think a rough sensing would actually make this a far more recomandable machine.
I mean, the basket really isn't big, but still, I think a half load should use less water then a full load.
Sensing dosen't mean it has to go completly HE. But it has the capability to sense, so why not sense for half loads on DeepWater cycles?
Using a full tub of water even though I might just wash half a load or less just seems unecessary.
And these machines can for sure do that!
If I were to use this machine, I couldn't get myself to run anything but full loads. Couldn't get over the thought of using 20 or so gallons more then needed just because the machine says so.


Post# 969451 , Reply# 6   11/22/2017 at 20:07 (330 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

I agree henene4. I was thinking about that. Since this isn't an impeller style agitator...i think with the design it would have to fill pretty high as the agitator vanes would give too much resistance and put unnecessary labor on the motor, but I'm not an engineer. Would like to see the parts breakdown though.



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Post# 969458 , Reply# 7   11/22/2017 at 21:27 (330 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I think they are trying to mimick a DD here- that agitation sure looks like it. Faster fill to. I think Speed Queen has Whirlpool scared.

Post# 969462 , Reply# 8   11/22/2017 at 21:47 (330 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

The long stroke really sloshed the jeans around in that tub..funny enough though the shorter strokes seemed to have more controlled turnover... this machine is really growing on me already. I wonder if the top is POS?...NO! Not that POS!.... I mean Porcelain on steel.LOL

Post# 969463 , Reply# 9   11/22/2017 at 21:51 (330 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Not only that- the thing goes right into spin. And I really like that the spray rinse is at the end of the first spin- flushes out the remaining suds water from the drain house and pump- makes me wonder why no one did this earlier. And is it me or does this thing drain faster to?

Yes- I am also sold! Mark my words, things will only get better with Trump!


Post# 969464 , Reply# 10   11/22/2017 at 21:58 (330 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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And it does to full deep rinses! I'm in love <3 <3


Finally after 8 years a real washer from Whirlpool.


Post# 969465 , Reply# 11   11/22/2017 at 22:06 (330 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Chetlaham I thought the same thing about the draining too. It seems to empty pretty fast. Really curious as to how much water the normal cycle will use. I imagine you still have to use HE detergent... Which nowadays is almost standard.

I hope this already passes 2018 regulations on its normal cycle. If the LORD wills I will get one just to have...Finally Whirlpool is waking up. If future washers are made like this I will definitely consider Whirlpool again. If the DD washers were still being made when I got my Speed Queen set I wouldn't have gotten a Speed Queen set.


Post# 969467 , Reply# 12   11/22/2017 at 22:17 (330 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Finally- its happening. Knowing manufactures first try the boldest moves on their TOLs, there is a good chance this could move its way down to the Amanas. At least its a wish. They are going to win many people over this way.

All in all SQ is still the way to go as I think those will outlast the DDs.


Post# 969473 , Reply# 13   11/22/2017 at 23:20 (330 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

I hope these Maytag washers hold up past the warranty. When I begin my new career I will consider getting one of these washers. Still content with the 432.

Will have to keep an eye out for more videos of this machine in action. At least we know how it does with a fairly big load of denims. Very good!


Post# 969482 , Reply# 14   11/23/2017 at 01:17 (330 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Very interesting. 3.6 cubic feet. It's about the same size as SQ, maybe a little larger. Stainless steel tub and decent warranty. Definitely feel that Whirlpool has taken serious notice of SQ. I wonder if it has a lint filter.

Barry


Post# 969496 , Reply# 15   11/23/2017 at 06:11 (329 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Wow

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And for years people have said things would only get worse. This is just like an OLD 80s/90s/2000s Whirlpool Kenmore dual action TLer. The only DUMB thing I see is that there is no water level setting - low, med, high, Ex Large. What were they thinking leaving that out? They got everything else right.

Post# 969499 , Reply# 16   11/23/2017 at 06:22 (329 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I don't understand the reasoning behind the (lack of) water level choices ... either auto-sense or FULL fill.† F&P gets it right on their agitator model -- auto-sense or choice of five manual selections on ALL cycles.


Post# 969500 , Reply# 17   11/23/2017 at 06:42 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Maybe they will work that out in future models. One can only hope.

Post# 969502 , Reply# 18   11/23/2017 at 07:00 (329 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
No water level control = Fail

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Seems rather dumb to me. Forcing a full tub fill for all cycles except the tree hugger Normal. I expect the normal cycle prevents hot water too. Styling it to mimic the look of the coin op is kind of funny...

Why are they so out of touch with what the consumer wants?

Malcolm


Post# 969507 , Reply# 19   11/23/2017 at 07:48 (329 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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so Deep Water gives you a full tub of water....whether you need that much or not....I guess full loads only....that's about the only thing Commercial related to this machine....

do you really believe this is a different platform, built in a whole different section of the factory than any other standard machine?....outside of a coin box, and relabeled, its a copy of a machine they already built...



as mentioned, there's no Auto Sense for water...what happens on the Normal cycle?....

note, the lid does not LOCK during fill/agitation, but does not operate with the lid open....

what about temps?....willing to bet their seriously dubbed down....

just another version of Whirlpool's World washer....











Post# 969510 , Reply# 20   11/23/2017 at 08:16 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Hey guys.. calm down! The man just got the machine in and will get to testing other cycles. Save your judging until he does a more thorough testing of other cycles with this washer.

It's a start for one with a larger capacity.. and the fact it doesn't do weird balancing acts going into spin is a plus. It fills fairly quickly and drains pretty fast from what we see in the video. These have heavier built cabinets also. If they can give the user more options on coming models that will be a big plus.


Post# 969511 , Reply# 21   11/23/2017 at 08:22 (329 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        

Maybe it only has one water level because it is a commercial washer, meant for the commercial market where they most likely fill the machines?



Post# 969514 , Reply# 22   11/23/2017 at 08:29 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Good point Imperial70. Even with the lack of a water level control I like this washer. I just hope the power wash cycle can do a true hot water wash. Will save any negative comments until after i can see more cycles with this machine. Heavier built with a 5 year parts and labor warranty. Not too shabby! This is how they should build all Maytag's.



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Post# 969517 , Reply# 23   11/23/2017 at 08:41 (329 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I don't think five jeans is all that large of a load.† I can get 7 to 8 pairs in my F&P, although I suppose that depends on the size of them.


Post# 969519 , Reply# 24   11/23/2017 at 09:07 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

It probably could have done well with a few more thrown in I'm sure. Glen didn't you have a video you made some time back of your F&P washing a big load of jeans? Take no offense, but that video put me off to F&P washers at that time. I didn't like the performance at all... lots of thrashing with no turnover.

As long as it cleaned then that is all that matters really.

IDK, but I think these VMW's definitely need the DAA for better circulation whereas Speed Queens flex vane is perfectly adequate for their wash tubs.




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Post# 969520 , Reply# 25   11/23/2017 at 09:12 (329 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I've looked thru the manual online and the Normal cycle is the ONLY one that limits the water temps, all of the deep water cycles will use straight hot water. That is also the only cycle with a spray rinse.
I agree I'm impressed with this machine and how it performs. I just wish it had some water level control to do small loads.


Post# 969521 , Reply# 26   11/23/2017 at 09:29 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

I looked through the online manual also and must have not read it. Cool! If this had auto and manual water levels I would jump on this in a minute.

Post# 969527 , Reply# 27   11/23/2017 at 10:11 (329 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
upgraded VMW?

sounds like mechanism is upgraded VMW :1/2 HP motor VS 1/3 HP that my VMW cabrio has and a 7-rib drive belt.

Post# 969535 , Reply# 28   11/23/2017 at 10:38 (329 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Does this have a proper transmission or just a reversing motor? I'm not sure why Maytag are making this when the commercial world has largely moved to front-loaders, especially this side of the Atlantic.

Post# 969537 , Reply# 29   11/23/2017 at 10:58 (329 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Ten Jeans

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AgiFlow2, yes.† I did a load of ten jeans as a test in my GWL08.† I wouldn't do that under normal usage circumstances.† The service manual describes "Maximum Capacity Profile" that triggers only at high water level on very heavy loads.† It says agitation stops 3 to 6 mins into the wash period and restarts with a noticeably different action.† I wanted to check if I could see that happen, which I didn't.† Anyway, there is rollover.† White pockets and brown tags can be noted appearing at the outside and/or getting pulled down but it's slow and video quality is very poor.† Easier to see by speeding up the playback rate.


Post# 969538 , Reply# 30   11/23/2017 at 11:07 (329 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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This thread has intrigued me. The new commercial Maytag has many similarities to my Maytag MVWC415EW 3.6 cu ft. TL. Iíve noticed that many are disappointed that there is no water level control or water sensing on this machine to allow for smaller loads. As another member pointed out, this may be due to the fact that its commerical and meant for laundromats., which makes sense.

On my Maytag, using the Deep Water cycle, it will fill to the top if the load is a full load, but otherwise it senses the loads size and fills to a level that covers the load with at least a few inches of water. I primarily use the Deep Water and Powerwash cycles. They both fill with tap hot water, but the Powerwash cycle fills slightly less than the Deep Water cycle. There is a brief spray rinse on both of these cycles before the deep fill rinse.

I have only used the Normal cycle a few times, but it also seemed to do a fine job of cleaning. In my mind these washers strike a happy medium between the excessive water that a traditional TL requires and the inadequate amount that many of the newer FLís use. My machine is just 2 weeks shy of a year old and Iíve experienced no problems during this year.

From the many comments that Iíve read on this thread I really think that many of you would be very happy with this machine, or one of the other new Maytag/Whirlpool TLís.

I donít know how to film a video, and I havenít monkeyed around with the lid lock so I can watch it in action. But when Iíve lifted the lid during wash and rinse cycles Iíve always found the water level to be covering the load and at a hot enough temp. I almost always wash on hot, heavy soil level and each load is finished in about 55-60 mins. And this machine NEVER unbalances, which is a rarity these days. I really enjoy laundry day with this machine.

BTW, out of 6552 reviews, 86% recommend this machine.

Sometimes new technology can actually be good.
Eddie


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Post# 969542 , Reply# 31   11/23/2017 at 11:35 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        
wft2800

Because we are not England or Europe. People in the US still want these washers. You have all been conditioned to what you have been using for decades and so have we. Just personal preference.

Post# 969544 , Reply# 32   11/23/2017 at 11:47 (329 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Commercial vs. Home/Residential

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It's aimed at the home user with the "commercial" label/aspect as a marketing strategy.† Maytag's web site (which sucks by the way) describes it as "3.5 Cu. Ft. Commercial-Grade Residential Agitator Washer."

Notice the lid is offset a bit to the left, leaving room at the right side of the top panel for placement of a coin-box for models that are aimed directly at the coin-op market.† Operation is via electronics so they could have included a water level selector on this residential-aimed model with appropriate revision to the control board.

WFT2800, it's of the VMW design, which has a planetary-gear transmission (Kirk in the video refers to "quad-gear transmission") with reversing motor to provide oscillation.† He also says it doesn't have auto load sense ... which brings the question (since there's no water level selector) how does it determine the water level on the Normal cycle which isn't in the Deep Water section of the cycle dial and presumably doesn't always entail a full fill?


Post# 969552 , Reply# 33   11/23/2017 at 12:34 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

My old Maytag Bravo X would spin the dry load when starting... I believe that's when the sensing takes place, and this machine does not spin the dry load. Am really intrigued now how deep the normal fill will be. It would have to be at least half the tub with that agitator design, i would think anyway .. will just have to wait for more videos and see.

Post# 969567 , Reply# 34   11/23/2017 at 15:15 (329 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Full fill maybe from the bulky cycle- but we will see.


This might have a 1/2 HP motor now that you mention it. Everything look stronger in this machine. Either that they are maximizing the power from the 1/3 already in there.


Post# 969573 , Reply# 35   11/23/2017 at 15:37 (329 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
half horse power

As long as it's only a peak power maintained for a short amount of time, a 1/3hp motor should be overdrivable to 1/2hp.

Post# 969577 , Reply# 36   11/23/2017 at 16:01 (329 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Lost me there- what do you mean?

Post# 969578 , Reply# 37   11/23/2017 at 16:15 (329 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Electric motors can - depending on their design - run at powers higher then their design power.

It does greatly affect longevity, but a 1/3hp motor driven by an inverter (or simmilar basic idea of driving it) can put our peak powers of 1/2hp.
As long as these overdrive situations are kept short (for example just the start of a spin), there is no issue in doing so.


Post# 969581 , Reply# 38   11/23/2017 at 16:32 (329 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

1/2 peak HP easy work for most 1/3 HP motors-PSC motor in the VMW machines has a radial fan on top that keeps motor decently cool-I have felt the motor in my cabrio after a long agitation and it was only warm.

Post# 969587 , Reply# 39   11/23/2017 at 18:03 (329 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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@hene4: Ok- that makes sense now, my bad.

Anyone know what motor these washers use?


Post# 969591 , Reply# 40   11/23/2017 at 18:27 (329 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I'm curious to see how Whirlpool will redesign their machines in the new year. I'm hoping they will be something similar to this. I like their current model but HATE that agitation that it does during the fill, its too rough on clothes. I do like how this one will spin the tub around to wet the load down. It's also a rarity these days to see that spray rinse after the wash cycle. Companies removed that many years ago when the first wave of regulations came into effect, around 2011 or so.

I'm happy that manufactures have realized that they can make a traditional agitator washer with just the normal cycle meeting the guidelines.

As far as laundromats not having toploaders, there are still plenty of them out there. We have 8 laundromats in town, and only 3 are strictly frontloaders. 4 of the others are actually topload heavy, and I frequent sites online and lots of laundromats still have plenty of toploaders around, although usually SpeedQueen's.


Post# 969594 , Reply# 41   11/23/2017 at 19:01 (329 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

One of the reviews on Maytag's site, the machine does a hot fill when hot is selected.

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Post# 969598 , Reply# 42   11/23/2017 at 19:36 (329 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Agitation while filling

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Oh GOD! What a horrible way to force people over to HE- or maybe they really are that dumb. And I thought the 4 inch water rinse GE and Ropers did was bad. Dunno, but that is so far away from what a washer should be doing. Manufactures in the past actually made sure the tub was full before agitation- it was hard wired into the machine.

But mark my words: the glory days of America are coming. In the next 8 years there is a good chance we will see plenty more toploaders such as this Maytag. Hot fills, full tubs, DA agitators, immediate spin, 5 year warranty, strong cabinets, porcelain on steal tubs and tops... Hopefully a pressure switch or two ;)


My ultimate fantasy is a Galaxy like BOL with water level control coupled with a 5 year warranty. I think that would be a winner for many folks. Whole line on top of that.


Post# 969599 , Reply# 43   11/23/2017 at 19:45 (329 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
What comes after F in the following sequnce? A,B,C,D,E,F...

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@mark_wpduet: Because thats what the patterns were showing. God awful toys that kept getting worse and worse every year while no hope of energy regs being rolled back. Yes I know folks will argue in the name of energy efficiency, but seriously there is no excuse for slow fills, reduced warrantys, anemic agi, agi while filling, and all the other Bologna.

Post# 969617 , Reply# 44   11/24/2017 at 00:20 (329 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

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Post# 969658 , Reply# 45   11/24/2017 at 11:32 (328 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Finally went to my appliance dealer and saw this Maytag. They just got the machine in as the lid had tape on it and no sales literature or price on the machine yet. The sales lady was accommodating as she was quick to pull out the shipping brace in the basket to let me look.

I knew more about the product then they did. Figures. The one sales guy said there was a three year parts and labor warranty and I corrected him that there was supposed to be a 5 year parts and labor warranty.


He said.. "oh that was last years model" OK so he knew of last years model but had no idea if these would be available throughout 2018.

Anyway my take on the machine is it does have a beefier cabinet than the Whirlpool agitator model that sat next to it. The machine was not leveled and was light when I rocked it but well put together. I don't know if this is a porcelain coated top or not.. doubt it though as there is nothing in the literature about a porcelain top and lid.

What I don't get about Whirlpool is that they still make porcelain wash baskets...then why can't they make the Maytags with porcelain tops if this is supposed to be their "better built" washers?

I can say though that the steel for the top is more rigid than the one on my Speed Queen... hardly any flex at all on the Maytag.


Whirlpool has the money and know how and resources to build a washer that would knock Speed Queen for a loop. Just wish they would realize that and get hopping on the best washers domestically money can buy.


Post# 969681 , Reply# 46   11/24/2017 at 16:14 (328 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

Thanks for posting this, Patrick. Very interesting and looks very competitive-------especially if SQ shoots itself in the foot with an agitub!

Post# 969682 , Reply# 47   11/24/2017 at 16:20 (328 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Suspension System

Does this washer have a real suspension system? It looks like it must because it does not sense and redistribute the load before it spins.

Post# 969685 , Reply# 48   11/24/2017 at 16:32 (328 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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X2 Either that or a real good balance rink. Whirlpool at one point was using large metal ball bearings in their catalyst machines.

Post# 969688 , Reply# 49   11/24/2017 at 16:36 (328 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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* balance ring


And come on guys, the agitub might work out in the end. ;)


Post# 969696 , Reply# 50   11/24/2017 at 17:29 (328 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
I've watched the video 2X now:

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The machine LOOKS very well made and the wash action is exactly what a TL should have. I will reserve judgement of this machine VS the new SQ until I see evidence of both build quality and washability in both of these commercial TLs. A preliminary guess would be the SQ is better built but the MT will out wash it. Nice to see that Whirlpool seems to be answering SQ in the market of a Commercial Grade TL. Choice and level playing field competition in business are good things.
WK78


Post# 969710 , Reply# 51   11/24/2017 at 18:14 (328 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

No problem Steve. It will be interesting to see what "Maytag" will have in store for the coming year. Hope this Maytag isn't a one trick pony and that they will offer more models with this kind of warranty to be a real competitor to Speed Queen.

Post# 969738 , Reply# 52   11/24/2017 at 20:10 (328 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

Maytag commercial does say this machine has its own manufacturing line at the facility.

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Post# 969760 , Reply# 53   11/24/2017 at 22:25 (328 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

So Whirlpool and Speed Queen both call their single action agitators "flex vane". Very interesting. It's clear Speed Queen sales put a fire under WP's butt.

It's too early to tell but if these Maytag commercial grade washers will be available as they are and already meet the 2018 water use guidelines which assuming they already do, Maytag will have a winner.

2018 will be interesting with Maytag and Speed Queen battling for the best traditional type top load washers. From the video we have seen... my money is on Maytag. Don't think Speed Queen will have this kind of wash action.

The proof is in the pudding.... we shall see what we shall see.


Post# 969767 , Reply# 54   11/24/2017 at 23:57 (328 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Its so fascinating to see how the VMW Agitator models have evolved over the years.





Then the dreaded agipeller...




Back to real agitators, but i think we all knew the issue with these models...




Now...



A real hot wash, added durability, excellent agitation and turnover.

Looks like WP is trying to mimic the DD's. The drain and spin sequence (especially the sound of it engaging into spin) to me just shouts out WP DD. I really like how it has faster agitation too...also reminiscent of certain agitation speeds found on WP DD's.


Post# 969771 , Reply# 55   11/25/2017 at 00:26 (328 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

What I find really neat washerdude is that it mimics a DD and BD. How cool is that! Finally WP is finding their way back. This new Maytag is so far the best implementation of the this VMW design. WP is definitely ironing out the kinks.

I may be romanticising a little, but it is like WP is giving a nod to their former major platforms.


Post# 969774 , Reply# 56   11/25/2017 at 00:51 (328 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

NICE-an alternative to the SQ washers.Like the traditional fills and actions.A good possibility for new machine rather than an old one from the swap shops.

Post# 969805 , Reply# 57   11/25/2017 at 05:17 (328 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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They are evolving forward. At one point you could not even get a deep fill or a classic agi- now it looks like you can get two. Also I think they improved the durability on several drive parts.

Post# 969874 , Reply# 58   11/25/2017 at 13:35 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

... Normal cycle with extra rinse







Post# 969890 , Reply# 59   11/25/2017 at 14:17 (327 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
The Latest Video

on this washer is supposedly 'small', but the water level is very close to the top of the agitator. Doesn't look like much difference. I'll say that for my SQ 432--small is definitely way less and mini is even less.

Post# 969892 , Reply# 60   11/25/2017 at 14:27 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

The truest low water level I ever saw on a washer was a Norge 20 lb. we had in the 70s and early 80s. Just enough to cove the base of the agitator.



Post# 969898 , Reply# 61   11/25/2017 at 15:04 (327 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Porcelain Enamel

Porcelain Enamel top and lid. I also like the graphics and knobs. Very plain and straight forward design.

Post# 969899 , Reply# 62   11/25/2017 at 15:07 (327 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        
Low Water Level

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Post# 969904 , Reply# 63   11/25/2017 at 15:25 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        
Dadoes

Now that's LOW!

48bencix...so this residential "commercial" Maytag has a porcelain lid and top? I saw the other commercial models do. I guess if it rolls off the same line as the other commercial machines then I guess it would.

What I would really like to see is the wash action with that single action flex vane with this motor. The flex vane agitator looks very much like what was used in BOL Kenmore DD units. I'll bet it is much more effective in this machine.




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Post# 969908 , Reply# 64   11/25/2017 at 15:34 (327 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Kirk is posting a video of it washing just a few shirts and he said the water level is def lower than this last video.

Post# 969909 , Reply# 65   11/25/2017 at 15:37 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Thanks JoeyPete. Appreciate the heads up

Post# 969911 , Reply# 66   11/25/2017 at 15:39 (327 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

That agitation gets me every time. Looks like it stayed on fast like agitation with no long slow short strokes during the wash. LOVE IT!

Post# 969912 , Reply# 67   11/25/2017 at 15:41 (327 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

And not to mention, 2 RINSES with SPINS all in 53 minutes! AMAZING.

Post# 969921 , Reply# 68   11/25/2017 at 16:21 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

That's pretty good for a modern machine on this current platform. I wonder why though it changes agitation profiles? Since this machine doesn't have a sensor... I am curious to know how does it sense to use Lower water in the normal cycle?

This will be very interesting to see how this washer handles different loads. I want to see the power wash cycle. Now they have agitation that is worthy of the "powerwash" name with or without such a cycle.


Post# 969925 , Reply# 69   11/25/2017 at 16:32 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Whirlpool had to do something. There are generations who purchased their washers and remembered those old reliable top loaders. We can only hope Whirlpool spreads this into their other model lines. Dump those useless wash plate Cabrios and make all the top loaders like this. Probably won't happen but what is life without hope?

Post# 969947 , Reply# 70   11/25/2017 at 17:48 (327 days old) by murando531 (Huntsville, AL)        

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I love that the video of my Whirlpool (the one with the orange fabric softener in the dispenser) has been making its rounds, haha. :P

But I LOVED that 4800 model. Four water level selections that ranged from the top of the lower agitator, to the top of the basket where it's shown here. And no dreaded thrashing while it filled either. It didn't even turn the tub for that matter, just filled, started with about a minute of short strokes to distribute, and then long strokes for the remainder, with short strokes at the end to balance before the spins. And a true rinse that filled to the selected level too. Sometimes I miss the simplicity and ease of use with that machine but it's now serving my aunt well after her '98 Frigidaire finally kicked. I wish I had gotten longer, full cycle videos of that washer while I had the chance.


Post# 969953 , Reply# 71   11/25/2017 at 18:15 (327 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Long stroke agitation

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I think thats to re-distribute the load before the start of fast stroke washing and before spin.

Post# 969954 , Reply# 72   11/25/2017 at 18:18 (327 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Thanks Joey! :)

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I'm going to be making popcorn tonight!








Post# 970007 , Reply# 73   11/25/2017 at 23:47 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Last one for tonight. It does use a lot less water on this load.






Post# 970009 , Reply# 74   11/26/2017 at 00:19 (327 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Thank-you for adding the videos, certainly helps to clarify the wash cycles and process. I, too, like to simplicity of the cycle selectors and layout. Always thought less is better. It appears to be a good machine, hope the durability proves to be long lasting. The tub size looks larger than a SQ from what I can tell, looks to wash larger loads than a SQ. I'm hoping this washer would be a good successor to the t/l SQ. I'll be watching comments to see if there would be any fabric damage due to the agitation, and any linting issues. Again, I agree with the comments that Whirlpool had to do something, SQ became a major threat and this is a defensive move.
It's all good though.

Barry


Post# 970014 , Reply# 75   11/26/2017 at 00:46 (327 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Your welcome Barry. Just wanted to contribute and give a shout out to Kirk Rivas for filming all of these washer videos he is doing! Thank you Kirk!

I don't know if this model has the porcelain top and lid but if it does that to me already puts it ahead of Speed Queen.


I wonder if this washer was the answer to those videos of Speed Queen up against Whirlpool's various impeller machines showing how much better wash action the SQ has over WP. Probably more than likely and the fact that most of the threads I have seen on Speed Queen washers has been overwhelmingly positive.




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Post# 970022 , Reply# 76   11/26/2017 at 03:51 (327 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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If anyone gets in touch with Kirk tell him his videos are worth gold. I greatly appreciate them and I think even the none washer enthusiasts do as well judging by some of the comments. Its nice to know how your new machine will wash ahead of time, something that no one else does.

Post# 970038 , Reply# 77   11/26/2017 at 07:10 (326 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

Given Whirlpool's products over the last few years, I'm impressed! Its good to see them becoming a brand that offers something for everyone again. If they came out with a model similar to this with a more intuitive and attractive control panel, I'd buy one!!



Post# 970042 , Reply# 78   11/26/2017 at 07:18 (326 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Yes I'm very impressed too. It would be nice if they did incorporate some of this technology in other washers. But given the price of this machine, I imagine it would be more expensive too. Probably part of the reason they ditched their DD wash system across the board. It was most likely getting more and more expensive to build them and they couldn't really raise the prices that much.

But either way, this machine is def a competitor with SQ.


Post# 970043 , Reply# 79   11/26/2017 at 07:21 (326 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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On another note...the actual commercial coin operated version of this machine does come in an electronic control panel model with display and buttons. So if this model is successful, perhaps they will offer an electronic version with more options, like soil level selector, etc.

Post# 970045 , Reply# 80   11/26/2017 at 07:51 (326 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Just commented on that board. I was wondering why on the last rinse the washer agitated at full power? That was the delicate cycle. This is definitely a worthy contender to Speed Queen.

Kirk said in another comment that Maytag was getting their ducks lined up for 2018.Got to ask him what he meant by that. Is Maytag coming out with more models with this kind of wash action and beefed up motor and cabinets? Something to look forward to.

Pat




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Post# 970052 , Reply# 81   11/26/2017 at 08:39 (326 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
VMW Price

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This design is a lot cheaper than DDs, and a lot easier to service both in accessibility and weight. Thus far I have only worked on two VMW washers for friends, and I can tell you hands down these a breeze to work on. Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.


Also remember that transmission in DDs is solid poured metal, expensive to make. That and I heard that in the late 2000s Whirlpool needed to re-tool the DD transmission platform because it was cranking out parts that were failing prematurely.

If Whirlpool beefed up their VMW design, it could easily out last the DDs. Far fewer moving parts.


Post# 970053 , Reply# 82   11/26/2017 at 08:40 (326 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I think the control panel is attractive in the sense that it has a tech look which enhances the commercial aspect of this washer. The price is a bit steep though, it's more than double the price of a high end Direct Drive Whirlpool from a few years ago.

Post# 970061 , Reply# 83   11/26/2017 at 09:15 (326 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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ChetLaham:† Everything is so much lighter and so much more easy to remove/re-install.
But isn't lightweight-edness a large part of what makes them objectionable, cheap, and no good?† :-)


Post# 970063 , Reply# 84   11/26/2017 at 09:36 (326 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Mostly if said light weight breaks or fails prematurely.

Post# 970066 , Reply# 85   11/26/2017 at 09:53 (326 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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It's just nice to see another simple, heavy duty machine on the market. Seems like the last few years have been so schizophrenic for Whirlpool trying to keep up with DOE mandates and/or consumer preference. Hopefully things will settle down now. This is a great product.

Post# 970076 , Reply# 86   11/26/2017 at 11:02 (326 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

This machine does seem to be heavier than a Maytag TL which is comparable to this. This machine weighs 159 lbs, the Maytag MVWC416FW comes in at around 144 lbs, a 15 pound difference. Both machines are the same capacity, come with deep fill options and contain some form of agitator.

That spray rinse was interesting. I like how it pulled the water through the clothes then added more water. The spray rinse also seemed familiar...WP resource saver anyone? Those did 6 spray rinses during the spin, this machine, with the limitation of modern restrictions, did 3. Go figure.

Another thing which got me, again the spray rinse. The video had extra rinse off which is why some could argue to why it did not fill up to the top. However the manual *SEEMS* to state otherwise. Nowhere in the manual does it say to select extra rinse if fabric softener is added. In fact, it also clearly states you can add fabric softener manually during the final rinse if preferred. Once again, no mention of turning on extra rinse.

Based off of that, I can only draw one thing. The machine is now smart enough to know how light the load is and realizes that for a load that size, a spray rinse will be enough, but it will also be enough to satisfy testing needs. That's almost a nudge from WP to do heavier, larger loads (to provide better rinsing) in this *commercial* machine to resonate the meaning of commercial...smart.


Post# 970094 , Reply# 87   11/26/2017 at 13:08 (326 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

There is something to be said for the simplicity of this machine. Even if the machine is lighter weight.. BUT made with quality materials and craftsmanship that shouldn't really matter. As chetlaham said, beefing up the components they already have would be a smart move for them.

Whirlpool had two very successful runs with the BD and DD platforms and I don't see why they can't do it with this platform either. The thought of a machine that is lighter in weight and easier to work on and fix and performs the way an agitator top load should would be a win.

That was another thing JoeyPete, it was a shame to see the company that built some of the best top loaders ever go in the space of a decade to building dreck.

I didn't want another WP product after my Bravo X... there was some hope with the VMW agitator machines coming back.. and now this.. we can only hope things at Whirlpool get better and they produce a reliable top loader under this platform that has been around a little while now.

Pat




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Post# 970097 , Reply# 88   11/26/2017 at 13:53 (326 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Painted Lid

Looks like this model has a painted lid. The coin model has the porcelain enamel top and lid. But you can get that model without the coin box. Also the coin models are smaller, 2.9 cu. ft. Warners Stellian has it for $100 off so the price probably will be less than suggested retail.

Looks a lot like the Whirlpool CAE2795FQ


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Post# 970098 , Reply# 89   11/26/2017 at 14:03 (326 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

Guys is it me or does the porcelain coated wash baskets in the Amana washers and Whirlpools seem smaller than the super capacity direct drives? Yet they claim more capacity that the DD washers which were 3.0-3.2 cf.?

They look smaller and narrower like the early DD washer baskets. I'm getting old.

Pat


Post# 970447 , Reply# 90   11/28/2017 at 18:51 (324 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Just gonna leave this here..






Post# 970470 , Reply# 91   11/28/2017 at 21:20 (324 days old) by agiflow2 ()        

No wonder the cabinet had to be heavier ! 😛

Post# 970475 , Reply# 92   11/28/2017 at 21:42 (324 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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That spin cycle video is impressive. I have to say that my Maytag is the best at balancing a load of any washer Iíve ever owned. I have a heavy waffle weave cotton outter shower curtain, a nylon liner, heavy woven cotton bathmat and a rubbermaid tub mat, that once a month I wash all together in one load. The only time my washer has gone out balance was the first time I washed this load. I stopped it, rearranged the rubber mat, restarted and finished the spin. But since the one time, everytime I wash this same load the washer goes into a smooth spin without hesitation. The suspension must really be good.

I havenít tried the phone book trick, but it wouldnít surprise me if my Maytag handled it the same way.

Eddie


Post# 970615 , Reply# 93   11/29/2017 at 13:15 (323 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

Its definitely apparent that the cabinet is of better construction in these machines. I have an older VMW and when the outer tub smacks against the cabinet in an out of balance load the sheet metal cabinet flexes. It sounds like a drum. These new ones are solid!

Post# 970653 , Reply# 94   11/29/2017 at 16:32 (323 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
These seem to be nice machines

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I was the one who requested the mop and phone book tests. I wondered if they beefed up the suspension to match everything else. I am impressed with the washing action, seems as or even more vigorous than 210 degree flex vane agitation on an SQ. WP has certainly took notice of SQ.

What happened to Pat(agiflow2)?


Post# 971035 , Reply# 95   12/1/2017 at 22:10 (321 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Really great and interesting machine

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It's almost like somebody at Whirlpool was told to make a washer as close to the old DD design as possible on the new platform. Bet that was a lot of fun if the right person got the assignment.

The only minor criticisms I can think of are the fixed water level for most cycles and the obvious bug in using fast agitation on the 2nd rinse of the delicate cycle.

 

But there is so much to like. The presoak option on any cycle is perfect given that modern enzyme detergents need longer to work.

 

Does anybody know how much bigger this tub is compared to the old DD? 

 

My biggest issue would be paying $800+ (plus tax) for one of these given how many great used DDs are being sold on Craigslist for $150 or even less.

There are some more videos from Kirk Rivas on YouTube showing the underside lid instructions and the the front service panel removed.



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Post# 971078 , Reply# 96   12/2/2017 at 05:55 (320 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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We just returned from a trip to New Orleans.  The Hotel we usually stay at had orbital Maytags last year in the guest laundry.  Now they have new "Maytag" (insert sarcasm) machines.  I had to wash a small load of jeans and I must say I am NOT impressed.


Post# 971082 , Reply# 97   12/2/2017 at 06:10 (320 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Strangest thing on the inside of the lid is: "No washer can completely remove oil".

Post# 971094 , Reply# 98   12/2/2017 at 07:08 (320 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida)        
Regarding the 'oil' statement

Google spontaneous combustion and clothes dryers

Post# 971098 , Reply# 99   12/2/2017 at 07:14 (320 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
They are right about the oil

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A spontaneous combustion fire just happened near me this past week.

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Post# 971104 , Reply# 100   12/2/2017 at 08:00 (320 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, oil and clothes dryers are a problem. But I have never had a problem removing oil stains in a washer.

Post# 971113 , Reply# 101   12/2/2017 at 09:51 (320 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I routinely wash clothes used to clean up after ďpersonalĒ activities where petroleum based products have been used, (weíre old school). I can attest to the fact that the vaseline comes (no pun intended) out in the wash using Tide of Persil in my Maytag Cenntenial, with no traces of the vaseline left behind.

Maybe Iím just living right, but I donít have any problems getting oil out in the wash.
Eddie



Post# 971231 , Reply# 102   12/3/2017 at 07:05 (319 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
I love life! :)

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New video :)







Post# 971239 , Reply# 103   12/3/2017 at 08:30 (319 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I think it's stupid it won't spin and spray at the same time.  Maybe with thee weight of fabrics, that inertia will keep the tub rotating longer so it's rotating some when it begins spraying again. 


Post# 971247 , Reply# 104   12/3/2017 at 08:59 (319 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I would say so, but I would have at least included logic that uses the speed sensor to pulse the motor so the tub can get up to a slow speed or rotation. Also, on a full load I hope it does a few extra spray rinses.

Post# 971265 , Reply# 105   12/3/2017 at 11:27 (319 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Off topic....

WHAT. ON. EARTH.......is Kirk's water bill?
LOL! jeez.


Post# 971269 , Reply# 106   12/3/2017 at 11:36 (319 days old) by WP-Dude22 (Trinidad and Tobago )        

Fianlly WP fixed the VMW washers ...
i love that it behaves like both the early VMW's with the 180 degree stroke and 90 degree fast stroke of the DD.

normal cycle it sticks to the 90 degree stroke completely.
On cycles with deep water uses 90 degree stroke for 3 to 6 minutes before seamlessly going right into the 180 degree stroke. it also alternates between 90 and 180 degree strokes on deep water wash cycles which is a nice touch.

love that it kicks right into spin from drain just not sure if it goes from low speed spin to high one time. the VMW washers would ramp to low spin then stop completely before going into high speed spin.

i would rather WP do spin profiles for the consumer version have 3 speeds and do like GE kicks into spin a really low spin for about a munute then ramp up to med for a set time then spend most of it time on high or final spin speed for the cycle.

I can see these design tricking down the consumer WP and Maytag lineup i just hope the agitator on the WP line up get a blended design of original cabrio agitator(in the attached pic) and this one in the maytag.



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Post# 974960 , Reply# 107   12/22/2017 at 02:14 (301 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Vid

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Post# 974962 , Reply# 108   12/22/2017 at 03:38 (301 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
This is just crazy

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It's like Twilight Zone crazy to me. I feel like I'm watching a washer dryer commercial from the 1970s/80s, but it's almost 2018.



Post# 975133 , Reply# 109   12/23/2017 at 09:38 (299 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Great video

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I really can't think of a better use of the Maytag brand.  Hope this machine sells well and drives people to the local appliance shops who need something to offer that Home Depot and Lowe's do not.

 

The only real competition for this machine is the used DD market, where great machines are always available for a song.


Post# 975138 , Reply# 110   12/23/2017 at 10:04 (299 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
MT HD Commercial Grade Washers

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I am glad they are fighting back against SQ and I think they may have won when you compare the performance of this washer to the new SQ TL machines.

Now I do think that the SQs will e far longer lived and reliable, but the cleaning performance will be better on these VMW washers, unfortunately they still won't wash as large a load as the DD WPs because of the lack of a tub break.

As soon as we get a NEW SQ TL in we will do a cleaning performance test of both the new SQ and this MT machine and as a control we will also run the same tests in the greatest TL washer ever built, an approximately 15-20 YO WP built DD washer.

If anyone would like to visit to witness and assist with the testing get in touch.

John L.


Post# 975152 , Reply# 111   12/23/2017 at 12:24 (299 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        
Maytag

Has some products that stand out above what whirlpool family of appliances offers in general. The commercial washer is one example. This dishwasher is another example: www.maytag.com/kitchen/di...
Now if they had a model with top-rack-only wash option...
But not trying to hijack the thread. Just an interjection.


Post# 975278 , Reply# 112   12/24/2017 at 05:48 (298 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Plastic outer tub... eh...

TBH I'd be more impressed with a relaunch of the 7500-series Neptune, just built tougher and with a redesigned door boot that drains down to the pump rather than accumulating moisture and mould. Update the electronics, connect it to a smartphone app, et voila. Proper rival to the SQ FLs. Relaunch the stacked version too, for similar reasons.

This thing here may be tough, but it's a relic of the 70s design-wise. At a time when large parts of the US are suffering from drought and even wildfire, more economical FLs are the only responsible way forward... with decent detergents, heat and tumbling action will work far better than an unheated water hog!


Post# 975308 , Reply# 113   12/24/2017 at 11:35 (298 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Maytag Branding...

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Interesting they are calling this washer "Commercial for the Home" and in the dishwasher line they are offering "Heritage" models with more sound insulation and upgraded parts for a slightly higher price.  For example MDB4949SD is the one at box stores and MDB7949SD is the more expensive one ($50 more) that looks to be available at smaller dealers.  Look almost identical except the more expensive one is 47db vs 50db and the claimed upgraded parts.

 

Just glad to see Whirlpool giving people a choice of appliance types.  With all the brands they now own they might as well make meaningful differences and I would do just what they are doing, making Maytag the "old school"  premium brand (and priced accordingly.)  I can't wait to see John L's tests of this VMW in DD clothing.


As a FL Neptune owner nothing would make me happier than to see a reboot but given that many people blame it (rightly or wrongly) for Maytag's demise I doubt it will ever happen.  The Neptune was introduced in 1997 so I guess it moves to the Imperial forum next week?  Boy - do I feel old!

 I love this VHS Maytag shipped with their first Neptune models.  Busy executive mom teaches dumb jock son how to use the newfangled washing machine.  It just screams 1990s.



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Post# 975312 , Reply# 114   12/24/2017 at 12:11 (298 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
A refreshing breath of air

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A TL which actually washes and rinses with water!

As to all the ladies complaining that it uses too much water - nothing is ever going to satisfy you. Go buy one of those that uses four drops to wash and two drops to rinse.


Post# 975319 , Reply# 115   12/24/2017 at 13:54 (298 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Comparison test.

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John, is there any chance that you could include a 2017 SQ in the comparison too?

If I wasn't in Michigan I'd come and watch myself.


Post# 975405 , Reply# 116   12/25/2017 at 05:53 (297 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        
Spin and Tumble

I remember when Electrolux had a sight called "spinandtumble.com" (IIRC) It was for the Frigidaire "first generation" front loaders after the Westinghouse models.
I believe it is long gone. Jeesh that must be 20 years or more now too. I was still young and desirable back then. :-)


Post# 975423 , Reply# 117   12/25/2017 at 08:29 (297 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
spinandtumble.com

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Still around on the web archive.  Good videos too, although not as fun and corny as the Maytag one.

 

I also thought about buying one of these when I was looking at the Neptune.

 

Both were made in Iowa, the Electrolux one in Webster City.  Electrolux closed the Webster City factory in 2011.



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Post# 975436 , Reply# 118   12/25/2017 at 09:34 (297 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Oh! Yes!

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Gibson washers! I remember the VHS tape that came with these when you bought them. Was astonishingly photogenic.


Post# 975437 , Reply# 119   12/25/2017 at 09:43 (297 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
I would...

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I would actually buy this washer! I never thought I'd say that about anything new!

Post# 976442 , Reply# 120   1/1/2018 at 12:41 (290 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
What to do

I am seriously considering selling my SQ front loader for this machine. I feel like I am nuts but it seems like this Maytag is the closest thing to the old Kenmores that I used to love. I feel like any second it will be pulled from the market even though its new... I am almost obsessing over this machine.

Post# 977170 , Reply# 121   1/6/2018 at 16:22 (285 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
Lid Lock

Is this able to disabled? Its my understanding it only locks on spin but machine pauses during wash when lid is opened. Is there a workaround? You know us fanatics that would never do....

Post# 977173 , Reply# 122   1/6/2018 at 16:48 (285 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

There is the counterpart just below the lid held in place by a screw or 2. Undo those, place in lid lock.

Or, if you want to keep the lid lock working for the rest of the time when you aren't watching (which you should for safety reasons), you can just order that part. It's only a few bucks and about the size of a small toy car maybe and can be kept near the machine without anybody else then being abled to figure out what it is for thus keeping them safe.


Post# 977196 , Reply# 123   1/6/2018 at 19:44 (285 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
Thank you

I am considering buying the machine but have to be able to watch. Your suggestion is a viable solution. Thanks so much.

Post# 977484 , Reply# 124   1/8/2018 at 15:23 (283 days old) by dianam (Southern California)        

Ordered this washer and have a question about hot and cold water hoses.

Bought a set of stainless-steel-wrapped PVC hoses from Amazon - the description said 3/4" - turns out they are only 1/2" across, much narrower than the present hoses that measure 5/8" across. However, I can't find any hoses that are larger. Is this all there is now?

1) Is there any reason I couldn't stay with the old hoses if the inside diameter is larger than these new ones? Or am I asking for trouble with old hoses? If not,

2) Which is a better material, rubber or PVC?







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Post# 977537 , Reply# 125   1/8/2018 at 21:20 (283 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
John:

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My prediction about your upcoming tests. The MT will clean better than the SQ. The SQ will prove to be much better built. Neither will be as reliable or clean as well as the WP/KM DD.
WK78


Post# 977541 , Reply# 126   1/8/2018 at 22:01 (283 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Ahem, but the reliability of a Speed Queen is not far from a DD at all- if not more so.

Post# 978899 , Reply# 127   1/18/2018 at 21:08 (273 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
Hows the washer?

Dianam I would love to hear your thoughts on it. You have been using it for a while.

Post# 978923 , Reply# 128   1/19/2018 at 01:24 (273 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        
X-Ray

Would love a good look at the ''undercarriage'' of the 'Tag. Very interesting machine from topside.

Post# 978932 , Reply# 129   1/19/2018 at 04:42 (273 days old) by dianam (Southern California)        

The washer just arrived today. Absolutely love it! It's so quiet and did such a great job on towels that were blackened cleaning up after the recent rain. (I'm not sure but suspect all the ashes from recent fires collected on the tree leaves and rain washed it all down.)

For some reason, that model doesn't show up on Designer Appliances' website, not even when they list "all" their TL models or "all" their Maytag models. Yet, if you search the internet for MVWP575GW and see the images of who has the best prices, you'll see it listed and the link takes to the website's listing - which is how I found it in the first place. Right now it's on sale for even less than I paid -- $677.99 and of course no tax.

Tried to find stainless steel hoses but every hose I ordered had tiny, barely 1/4" opening on the brass fitting. Happily, Maytag included 4-foot black hoses with a larger opening. Not a lot larger but enough to satisfy me. To hide the black hoses, I found a square aluminum clock with a beach scene that was advertised as "suitable for moist environments" and hung it from a drapery bracket positioned just above the hot and cold handles.

The 3.5 cubic foot size is perfect, and the larger 17" opening - it's easily 21 or 22 inches deep - dwarfs the A608. Love the presoak and extra rinse options.

I couldn't be happier.





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Post# 979027 , Reply# 130   1/19/2018 at 15:13 (272 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Very Nice!!!

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I think they make a pretty handsome set!

P.S. I love the wallpaper!


Post# 979075 , Reply# 131   1/19/2018 at 22:49 (272 days old) by Dylanmitchell (San Diego, CA)        

Did anyone make a solid door front loader besides the Maytag Neptune? I like solid doors with no glass or poly and they're tough but on a front-loader it hides what's going on unless you open mid cycle.

Post# 979086 , Reply# 132   1/19/2018 at 23:42 (272 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Some Mieles had full-width decor doors with either a glass or solid plastic bowl behind.

Post# 984606 , Reply# 133   2/27/2018 at 18:15 (233 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
Just bought it

I bit the bullet and bought the set. Thanks to everyone posting videos, it made the decision a lot easier. Should be delivered on Saturday. I am going from a front loader back to a top loader. Maybe its nostalgia, but it reminds me so much of the Kenmore DD that I grew up with although there are plenty of differences. Lack of water levels is going to bother me but I am really hoping I enjoy the set. I see opinions changing on the 2018 speed queens, but I still don't see anything that would compel me to buy their new introduction. I hope those that do have the best experience. Speed Queen is no longer of interest to me and I was a huge fan.

Post# 986976 , Reply# 134   3/17/2018 at 10:11 (215 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
It figures

Buyer Beware- I am not having the best of luck with this washer. I love the concept but have a feeling its not the best quality washer. Sometimes it will fill incorrectly and now had two loads in the Normal cycle that did not spin and one wouldn't agitate or spin.. Sometimes it wont turn on and I have to disconnect it and plug it back in and all is fine.

I am close to just sending it back and purchasing a different washer. I am running one final normal wash to see if it does the same thing or if it performs as it should after unplugging and going through that protocol.

One more problem and I am done. Rats. I would have no idea what to replace this with at this time.


Post# 986983 , Reply# 135   3/17/2018 at 11:37 (215 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
I'd take the new speed queen...

I'd take the new speed queen over this commercial after what I saw! Maytag will never ever, ever, ever be on Speed Queen's level, EVER!!!! I know I will get beaten up by agitators for saying that, but that's just my opinion!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK


Post# 986985 , Reply# 136   3/17/2018 at 11:53 (215 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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I'm sorry to hear of the problems, this looks like such a great machine.  That's always the risk of buying new models...bugs in the production line and/or software.

 

Maybe they can swap it for another one before you give up on it.  I would agree that for a machine of that price you shouldn't need to be unplugging it on a regular basis to "reboot" it.


Post# 987033 , Reply# 137   3/17/2018 at 17:08 (215 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
I have requested an exchange for a new one

I purchased this at ABT, which is not far from where I live and have always had excellent customer service from them. They have not responded to my request as of yet but I will give them a day or two.

When it works, it is an excellent machine with great turnover and decent enough cycles. I would like to try one more before I give up on it.

Having to reboot the machine tells me that although it has dials it must actually be electronic.......

If it doesn't work out I will probably go back to a front loader as there are no other agitator model machines I am interested in unless I can somehow score a pre-2018 speed queen. I owned one a while back and had the foam issue in the drain pipe and have heard others do as well. Cant figure that one out. I didn't particularly care for that. I live in a different house now that is newer and it has better plumbing.

One step at a time. At this point I am really hoping I just have a lemon... it happens. I am not going to hold it against them.... YET... :)


Post# 987035 , Reply# 138   3/17/2018 at 17:32 (215 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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stchuck: Having to reboot the machine tells me that although it has dials it must actually be electronic.......
Absolutely it's electronic.† A machine with a cycle dial that doesn't advance progressively through the cycle from the start position to an Off position is electronic.


Post# 987041 , Reply# 139   3/17/2018 at 18:55 (215 days old) by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Waching the 2018 SQ TL i wonder if baffles on the wash basket would help?
kick up some tublence in the load and not just sloshing.


Post# 987047 , Reply# 140   3/17/2018 at 19:24 (215 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
DADoES

Thank you for responding. You contribute a ton of valuable information to the forum.

Post# 987048 , Reply# 141   3/17/2018 at 19:27 (215 days old) by john76 (USA)        

I was at Youngís Appliances in Glen Ellyn this week and they still have several 2017 SQ models available. I like being able to select your water level.

Post# 987053 , Reply# 142   3/17/2018 at 19:53 (215 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
OOOH

I wasn't aware that they carried them, that's almost in my backyard. Now the dilemma is whether to try one more of the Maytag's with the hope that this experience was a fluke or tell them to keep it and go back to speed queen.

Thanks so much for letting me know.


Post# 987058 , Reply# 143   3/17/2018 at 20:38 (215 days old) by john76 (USA)        

The experience with the Maytag gives you an out, Iíd opt for the SQ!

Post# 987109 , Reply# 144   3/18/2018 at 07:52 (214 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New Maytag Commercial Heavy Duty Washer ?

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Hi Scott, Sorry you are having problems with your new MT TL washer, It does sound like it should be serviced or possibility replaced.

 

Keep in mind this is not a new design machine in any way, WP has been building several Commercial Heavy Duty versions of this VMW washer since 2010, this Maytag does not employ any new technology.

 

John L.


Post# 987121 , Reply# 145   3/18/2018 at 11:27 (214 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Manufacturing defects

Such sporadic faults like you described often are related to some bad connection somewhere, or to cracked solderjoints on some PCB.

Such faults often are related to transport or production errors, especially after only a few weeks of use.


Having it replaced might change your mind about the machine, but still are a huge annoyance.


Post# 987127 , Reply# 146   3/18/2018 at 12:47 (214 days old) by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Well at least you CAN have the machine replaced to help restore lost faith in the device.
With SQ that is not possible. You WILL have to work through any and all defects no matter how numerous and concerning, think repeated burning smell from crap electronics, and live on with a washer you will never trust not to leave you hanging at the worst possible time...all the while paying a premium price for "durability" as the final insult to injury.


Post# 987135 , Reply# 147   3/18/2018 at 14:00 (214 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
regardless of brand

I think we are all battling the same thing these days.... for the most part the quality we were used to from past experiences with appliances no longer exists.

Stepped up to a Miele front loader at a previous home and it wasn't what I expected either. I think it was the 4648 or something with a 48 in it... it was their larger units geared for the US market. Had a door that would never align right, they came out twice to try to repair it, had it flash error messages frequently and it wouldn't hesitate when spinning, it would go right into it but wow it sounded like a helicopter landing.. it was in the basement on a cement floor and I was still sure at times I could feel the whole house vibrating.

On a side note I have a Miele dishwasher and refrigerator/freezer columns that are three years old and so far no complaints.




Post# 987159 , Reply# 148   3/18/2018 at 17:00 (214 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Yeah - I decided a long time ago the higher-end didn't mean higher quality.  Just more bling and stuff to go wrong, either out-of-the-box or later down the line.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the $299 Amana that Whirlpool sells has the highest initial quality just because there are so many of them coming off the line.


Post# 988137 , Reply# 149   3/25/2018 at 19:13 (207 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

The swap occurs on 03/31. I also purchased the matching dryer which is very quiet and seems to do an excellent job. I am going to attempt to disconnect the end of cycle buzzer. Its the only thing about the dryer that drives me wild. It performs much better than the speed queen dryer that I had previously.

Post# 988148 , Reply# 150   3/25/2018 at 20:03 (207 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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My advice:


Speed Queen washer


Whirlpool dryer.


Both are simply the best.


Though I would understand if you did not like the new Queens. I am skeptical of them.


Post# 988381 , Reply# 151   3/26/2018 at 19:33 (206 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

I have had both a speed queen front loader (2015) and their top loader (2011) and in my opinion only this commercial style Maytag turns the loads over better. It really moves the clothes. I am hoping the swap on the 31st solves all of the issues because in general I really like this washer. Just this weekend I put in a load that when dry, filled the washer to the rim and I thought "no way" but I will try. I couldn't fit that many clothes into the SQ front loader. I knew the clothes would compress when wet but still thought it would struggle. I came back to it while agitating and it turned the load over with no problem at all and I was shocked. Everything came out great. Its not a perfect rinser but the SQ top loader wasn't either. I think the trick is to dial back the soap a little. Although it doesn't spin nearly as fast as the front loader I am not dissatisfied with the end result. Cycle times in the dryer have by no means doubled I would estimate maybe 15-20% longer than with the SQ front loader, but I also had a different dryer so maybe apples to oranges, not sure.

Post# 988961 , Reply# 152   3/31/2018 at 14:12 (201 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
exchanged the washer today

Lets hope this new one does what it is supposed to. I am giving this machine one more try. Ran one load (that's all the clothes I have to wash) and it was fine. For whatever reason it spins quieter than the other one...

It really is quite good at washing, I am keeping my fingers crossed. I have 30 days to exchange it if it doesn't seem to perform as intended.

Scott


Post# 989234 , Reply# 153   4/2/2018 at 21:14 (199 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
I would have no idea what to replace this with at this time.

Scott,

You can still buy the regular Speed Queen top loader or get a Fisher & Paykel. For a top loader F&P is a very good choice still.



Post# 989352 , Reply# 154   4/3/2018 at 20:43 (198 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

I'm sticking with what I have unless something goes wrong with this one. I am completely satisfied with the performance. The turnover with this washer is truly excellent. Its every bit as good if not better than what I recall with the DD units I owned at one point.

Post# 989363 , Reply# 155   4/3/2018 at 22:04 (198 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Thanks for the update.  Keep us posted.

 

This is a pricey machine, especially given how cheap used DDs are going for, but if somebody wants a new machine it's good to be able to recommend one with confidence.


Post# 989482 , Reply# 156   4/4/2018 at 20:25 (197 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
I will keep everyone updated

I don't do a ton of laundry and its only on the weekend...

Post# 989586 , Reply# 157   4/5/2018 at 18:38 (196 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
Update

So far so good, I did a few loads of laundry tonight. There is some logic built into the washer regarding rinsing... Using the "mixed" cycle, I have noticed that sometimes the washer will launch into a final spin after the rinse and sometimes it will do some spray rinses after the main deep rinse where it spins slowly and applies the water. I have noticed three spray rinses and today it did four before launching into the final spin. I am still trying to determine how much soap to use and I will admit I used too much this load. I have also noticed that on the "Normal" cycle which is a decreased main wash fill followed by spray rinses the machine added a deep rinse along with the spray rinses on a blanket that was retaining soap.

I don't see a pattern here other than it alters what it is supposed to do based on some type of information gathered somehow.

I really thought at first that the machine was going bonkers but I don't think so, I think its doing what it thinks it needs to.

Definitely something I didn't expect to happen. I wish someone else who owns the machine would chime in and tell us if theirs performs the same.

That's my update for now... I hope you all have a good Thursday evening.


Post# 991447 , Reply# 158   4/19/2018 at 18:27 (182 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

I don't know how much interest there is in this washer anymore but so far so good. No complaints at all with the second washer. It does exactly what it is supposed to do, clean the clothes, and quite well.

If there are any questions I will be happy to try to answer them.

I'm ready for the weekend, thank goodness tomorrow is Friday. WooHoo. Maybe we will have a weekend without snow, finally. I was beginning to think it was too much to ask for winter to go away in this suburb of Chicago.


Post# 991463 , Reply# 159   4/19/2018 at 21:30 (182 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Thank you for the update.  There is still a lot of interest in this machine but the simple controls and the great videos by Lorain Furniture have answered a lot of the operational questions.

 

However it's also great to hear from somebody actually using it every day. 


Post# 991473 , Reply# 160   4/19/2018 at 22:05 (182 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Iíve sold a few

And customers are happy with them.

Post# 991928 , Reply# 161   4/23/2018 at 23:42 by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        

Does the Maytag have a slower wash speed and/or reduced agitator arc on ''delicate''?

Post# 991955 , Reply# 162   4/24/2018 at 10:03 by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

Yes, the agitation and spin speed is slower than on the other cycles. I think the "arc" is the same.

Post# 992029 , Reply# 163   4/24/2018 at 22:28 by Spinmon (st. charles mo )        

Thank you for all the information!

Post# 1007994 , Reply# 164   9/20/2018 at 20:30 by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
Update

Just a quick update. I have had this washer for approximately 7 months... After initially swapping out the first one that was defective the second one seems just fine. Its quick and cleans very well. I have noticed that soap dosage is critical. It does not handle excess soap in a very efficient way. The spin between the wash and rinse can actually slow and stop if there are too many suds. It acts as if the pump goes into a suds lock because it doesn't seem like anything is going into the drain. This does not happen frequently but does happen from time to time. I am wondering if anyone else who has this machine has noticed the same thing?

For whatever reason I have also noticed that powdered detergent seems to perform better than liquid in this toploader. On a side note I bought a small box of Gain original powder. Oh gosh- It made my clothes smell like bug spray. It was disgusting. I couldn't believe it. The scent had to be tampered with, it used to smell so good. I couldn't even stand wearing the clothes. I didn't use any fabric softener with that load. It was pure Gain all the way.








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