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Post# 984172   2/24/2018 at 19:41 (207 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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Is anyone else using these have a problem with high amounts of suds? I ran a load through my dishwasher today and during the main wash cycle there was so much foam inside you couldn't hear any water spray. I've noticed on previous loads that the water spray wasnt as strong with all the foam, however this time It got so bad that water started to leak out from the bottom. It did this once before and I thought I had an actual leak but the last few times I ran it, nothing dripped out until today. I got these to replace the Finish liquid I was using as it did a horrible job and the packs do clean much better and believe it or not, by the last rinse cycle the water was crystal clear. What if anything could I add during the main wash to cut down the suds? I appreciate any recommendations offered :)




Post# 984173 , Reply# 1   2/24/2018 at 19:46 (207 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I have a similar issue with the Platinum--no leaking, just foam induced water jets.  But everything is coming out as clean as usual. 


Post# 984179 , Reply# 2   2/24/2018 at 21:28 (207 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Seems to be a water quality issue.  Others here have reported excess foaming with the Platinum "action-pacs."  But my water is pretty hard and there isn't enough foaming to be a problem. 

 

They do clean the best of anything I've used since the phosphate ban.  Since I only run the dishwasher once or twice a week I do think they are worth the extra cost.


Post# 984181 , Reply# 3   2/24/2018 at 21:36 (207 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I tried a Platinum pack again recently (from a small package I bought last year).† Excess foaming.† Doesn't happen with Institutional/Boil Out powder.† My water is 9 to 11 grains hardness.


Post# 984183 , Reply# 4   2/24/2018 at 21:53 (207 days old) by jjsunshine (Northern California)        

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Yes! Especially with Cascade Platinum. It works excellent, but you would think I put Dawn liquid in the tub :) Makes me wonder if it gets completely rinsed or if there is residual detergent left on the dishes?

Post# 984193 , Reply# 5   2/24/2018 at 22:59 (207 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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Jim- You would think so but the water here is pretty hard. It's been a while since I checked the level but water spotted windows and cars are a regular thing here. But I do like how they clean. Just as good as old phosphated stuff.

JJSunshine- You've got that right. There was a thick blanket of suds at the bottom. But nonresidue left on my dishes at all. By the last rinse the water is crystal clear.

Dadoes- I'm wondering if there are other water softening agents in it. I didn't think to check.


Post# 984200 , Reply# 6   2/25/2018 at 00:09 (207 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Haven't noticed any excessive suds with Complete, it just doesn't clean well here. Our water is very hard. So I used only the Platinum.
Recently tried Walgreens Nice packs and very impressed with the cleaning performance. Won't hestitate to use it again.


Post# 984218 , Reply# 7   2/25/2018 at 06:52 (207 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
too much foam

Hi all

It's exactly the same in the UK - Fairy Platinum are way too sudsy. I feel a dishwasher needs almost no suds to be fully effective. Just wanted to make this comment to show you that it's not just local water conditions....they are just too sudsy!! However I agree it is a great detergent.

Nick


Post# 984221 , Reply# 8   2/25/2018 at 07:04 (207 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Fairy Platinum

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In my experience is far too sudsy - and it caused a suds-lock in my Bosch. The wash action was very lethargic.

I get much better performance with Finish tablets of various kinds, and stores' own brands, Lidl's in particular.


Post# 984226 , Reply# 9   2/25/2018 at 07:46 (207 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Had the same problem....as Glenn said, Boil Out or other old fashioned chlorine based product doesn't do that.


Post# 984229 , Reply# 10   2/25/2018 at 08:03 (207 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Yes they are a lot more sudsy. I've had the worst of that from the Platinum pacs. If you are using it in an older machine in particular, you will get a ton of suds. They are really designed for newer machines that don't use as much water.

Post# 984236 , Reply# 11   2/25/2018 at 08:08 (207 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Have not noticed any increased suds

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and no drop off in cleaning ability.  I use the 16X variety


Post# 984255 , Reply# 12   2/25/2018 at 08:42 (207 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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JoeyPete:† Yes they are a lot more sudsy. ... If you are using it in an older machine in particular, you will get a ton of suds. They are really designed for newer machines that don't use as much water.
Just to say, my 14yo DD takes 0.8 gal per fill.

Seems that a fixed-dose pack with less water would cause more sudsing.† No?

How much water does a typical new-off-the-lot unit take nowadays?


Post# 984256 , Reply# 13   2/25/2018 at 08:48 (207 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Yeah good point Glenn...I guess they are sudsy regardless...maybe it's more the wash action in older machines (more vigorous) that makes suds more a problem?

The Frigidaire Gallery model that I had used very little water...probably at least half of what my Hobart KA uses.


Post# 984258 , Reply# 14   2/25/2018 at 09:00 (207 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hi Rolls. I had regularly used the cheaper Finish ones (not Quantum - think they are just called `all in 1') but took a pack to work just for coffee cups a few months back because they started leaving the dishwasher and contents with a white coating. Moved to Quantum (when on offer!) and all was good. However, recently these have also had a slating on the Ocado reviews for the same reason and I notice the old `New and improved' logo on the packaging. It looks as though Finish are tweaking something across the brands and it ain't working.

For this reason I bought Fairy Platinum on the last shop but had forgotten about the hideous suds. I was actually wondering what the alarming vibrating noise was - worktop was all a tremble - remembered dishwasher was on - ear to door - ah yes......

I can't stand to hear a dishwasher choking when it should be merrily squirting away ;-)

Where to go from here??!! I don't go in LIDL (thanks for the recommendation Rolls) so may just go back to the old fashioned `unwrappable' Essential Waitrose. These were perfectly good from memory. I always use salt and rinse aid anyway.

Anyhow - not wishing to thread hijack - yes OP - Fairy / Cascade Platinum do over foam in my opinion, though I respectfully acknowledge the experience of those who have not had the same experience.


Post# 984266 , Reply# 15   2/25/2018 at 09:43 (207 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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One possibility I thought of.  On my lower-end Whirlpool from a few years ago the detergent compartment doesn't seal well at all.  Not sure if this happened with age or if it was always like that.

 

When I place a pod that has separate liquid sections in the main compartment before starting the cycle I find that the heat and water leakage melt the pod and the liquid parts partially drain out into the pre-wash.

 

Now I usually just listen for the main wash to start and toss the pod in to avoid the problem.  I only run the dishwasher once a week on average so this isn't a big deal for me.

 

If there are foam suppressors are in the liquid part that is being lost too soon maybe that could be part of the problem.

 

I do wonder if the three separate sections of liquid attached to the powder are just marketing.  Obviously the candy-colors are but I wonder about the rest of it.  Is there a real need to have a three separate liquid compartments (or a need to have separate liquid and powder sections at all...?)


Post# 984268 , Reply# 16   2/25/2018 at 09:50 (207 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Iowabear

Your theory is good, but I rarely (if ever) use a prewash / rinse and still get the problem. Just letting you know so you are not worried it's something you or your d/w is doing wrong - just the nature of the product.


Post# 984274 , Reply# 17   2/25/2018 at 10:45 (207 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"white coating..."

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I've just read the Ocado reviews slating the Finish 'All-in-1'. Not good.

I got that powdery coating with Finish Powder. And then I read reviews about that being awful too.


Post# 984328 , Reply# 18   2/25/2018 at 18:22 (206 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
YES

They are far too sudsy. I have switched to Finish Quantum and have not looked back. They clean just as well as Cascade Powder with a bit of STPP.

Post# 984331 , Reply# 19   2/25/2018 at 18:57 (206 days old) by iej (Ireland)        
Same Problems wish P&G Fairy Platinum Capsules

I'm pretty sure Fairy Capsules here are an identical P&G product. They certainly look the aame and they are extremely foamy.

In my Miele dishwasher you can't hear the spray there's so much foam and I tried them in a Bosch elsewhere and it was the same or worse as you could hear the pump suds locking!!

I also noticed that with some of their scented versions the dishes actually taste of chemicals after a wash. This isn't something I've had with any other tablet brand.

I mostly either use Miele Tablets or Finish now and both are very, very good.

The Fairy (Cascade) does clean well but it doesn't rinse well and I'm not convinced that so much foam is very good for the machine, particularly when you consider they have in-line heaters that should be dull of water, not insulating foam!


Post# 984336 , Reply# 20   2/25/2018 at 19:38 (206 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
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Spot on!

I agree about Fairy contaminating the crockery with scents - my parents complained about the smell of the detergent on cups. (Maybe P&G are using Febreze technology here too?)

Regarding the in-line heaters: too much foam could cause premature heater failure. This is important, as modern Bosch machines now have a combined pump and heater assembly, rather than separate components.

And as we know, too much foam can cause leaks and activate the flood defence mechanisms.

A detergent recipe for disaster.


Post# 984349 , Reply# 21   2/25/2018 at 21:11 (206 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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I can't put my finger on it.  Water is fairly hard here.  Our Miele gets run once or twice per week.  Three times over the past couple of months I've noticed sudsing issues.  I blamed it on some dishes in the sink having been exposed to regular hand or dish soap.  Now I'm not so sure, but because it's not a regular occurrence, I've been hesitant to blame it on the Cascade pods.


Post# 984352 , Reply# 22   2/25/2018 at 21:35 (206 days old) by nmassman44 (Boston North Shore Massachusetts)        

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So its not just me then with sudsing issues with Cascade Platinum pacs then. This evening I could hear my LG dishwasher cavatating during the wash cycle and I opened the door to find a good layer of suds over the bottom and the dishes covered in foam. I added more water, about a small pitcher full and the cavatating stopped but only for 5 mins. The load came out spotless as usual and dry. I do have a box of Cascade Complete powder that doesn't do that at all in this machine.

Post# 984354 , Reply# 23   2/25/2018 at 21:48 (206 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
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This is the foam level about half-way through a heated wash cycle (to 145) in my lower-end Whirlpool using one Platinum Pac.  Not much water, not much foam.  Dishes are always clean though.


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Post# 984391 , Reply# 24   2/26/2018 at 04:10 (206 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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On mine the entire bottom of the tub was covered. At least 2 inches thick if not more. Would adding some vinegar cut the suds?

Post# 984395 , Reply# 25   2/26/2018 at 07:15 (206 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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I think part of the problem with Procter & Gamble dishwasher detergents, is that they are formulated in the wrong direction. They appear to be geared towards a full size dishwasher, with heavily soiled pots and pans, and hard water.

In other words, there's too much product per liqui-tab/pod, so heaven help us if the dishes are only lightly soiled, or a partial load, or soft water - or all of these!

Unlike some compressed tablets, pods cannot be broken in half.

P&G would actually get more respect (from me at any rate) if they decreased the size of the pods, so that they could work properly in smaller machines (slimline and table-top models), and with lightly soiled loads.


Post# 984418 , Reply# 26   2/26/2018 at 11:09 (206 days old) by iej (Ireland)        

It actually gets extremely bad on my relatively new Miele during the intensive cycle as pump turned up to max and the jets are really spraying very intensively. It just churns up a huge amount of foam in the bottom of the machine and everything's dripping with foam if you open the door.

It doesn't seem to matter how dirty the dishes are. I think it's just not a great formulation. It's way, way too soapy and by the looks of the posts above its hitting a wide range of machines both ultra efficient news ones and old classics too.


Post# 984429 , Reply# 27   2/26/2018 at 12:59 (206 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Those times I've encountered excess suds, I added just a few drops of de-foamer for the hot tub and suds disappear.  I hadn't thought of vinegar, but that might be a better option.


Post# 984436 , Reply# 28   2/26/2018 at 13:26 (206 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Since vinegar is and acid wouldnít it lower the PH making the water softer and more inclined to oversudsing?
Eddie


Post# 984469 , Reply# 29   2/26/2018 at 17:56 (205 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I wonder

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if all the foam could damage your dishwasher? I use Finish Powerball and it doesn't foam at all. The Finish Quantum foamed terribly when I used a sample of it. It made the dishwasher sound like a totally different machine. I remember thinking WTH is wrong because of the sound it made.I opened the dishwasher and foam all over the place and that is with hard water and non-rinsed dishes. This is why I've been afraid to try Platinum because I've read reports of too much foam and I remembered the Quantum sample I used. It did a great job getting the dishes clean and they were rinsed well...but it made me wonder if that laboring sound during the long wash cycle would shorten the life of the dishwasher.

Post# 984487 , Reply# 30   2/26/2018 at 19:52 (205 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

Platinum pack in my whirlpool made kenmore portable, i use any other detergent and have zero foam, i since switched to finish quantum. My water is city water and not really soft eather.

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Post# 984509 , Reply# 31   2/26/2018 at 21:55 (205 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I have not had

oversudsing in my new apartment's "Electrolux-idaire" dishwasher with Cascade Platinum, I do believe you all, though.


I DID have oversudsing with Platinum in my previous dishwasher, the GE Nautilus.


The best oversudsing treatment, besides getting a less sudsy detergent next time, is a small spoonful or so of an edible fat, like canola oil, or butter......whatever's at hand. Just open the machine and put the fat in the tub and restart.



Lawrence/Maytagbear



Post# 984512 , Reply# 32   2/26/2018 at 22:35 (205 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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With my water and a KitchenAid KUDS24 I had awful foaming to the point of leaking with Finish Powerball tablets. I gave a bunch of them to a co worker that doesn't have softened water.

I started using Cascade Platinum packs and while I sometimes see a bit of foaming if I open the door, it never created a problem. I bought Cascade Complete packs last time to compare them and they seem ok sudsing wise, seem to clean just fine also.


Post# 984514 , Reply# 33   2/26/2018 at 22:43 (205 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I use Cascade Platinum paks and havenít noticed any sudsing problem, but we have very hard water here too. Itís hard to get suds from most new detergents with our hard water.

I do very minimal rinsing, and always use the 1 hour cycle that uses more water, so that may also account for my not having a prob with excess suds. Anyway, the Platinum Paks clean very well and I like them.
Eddie


Post# 984575 , Reply# 34   2/27/2018 at 10:54 (205 days old) by kd12 (Arkansas)        
Rinse aids could be problem

I stopped using Electrasol several years ago because of sudsing and switched to Cascade Complete. Have not had any sudsing issues at all with Cascade Complete. I don't use Platinum because I don't really need the extra rinse-aids, so I don't know if it sudses or not. I did however have a sudsing issue with Finish Jet-dry years ago.

Post# 984596 , Reply# 35   2/27/2018 at 15:48 (204 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

When I did dishes last night I used Platinum as I have been and looked to see just how foamy it was.  My new KA had a little puddle of water with just a little foam on top - noting that would cause and issue.  The foam may be a function of the water level and how the wash arm moves the water, no idea why some would have an issue.


Post# 984622 , Reply# 36   2/27/2018 at 20:32 (204 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
I wondr if all the foam could damage your dishwasher

Myself and other Miele techs have been out on calls where the only problem is oversudsing. Soapy water can get by seals and trigger a float switch in the bottom pan as well as assist in water getting past door seals causing external leaks. It can also cause drain faults and door-switch faults, as well as heating faults. New machines only use about 5.4 liters a fill, so that's not much water! Less water, less soap needed.

In the field, we heavily suggest to folks that they not use pods. It's way more soap than is needed. If they use compressed powder pucks, we suggest they cut them in half for most loads.

FWIW,
Chuck


Post# 984644 , Reply# 37   2/28/2018 at 06:08 (204 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"we heavily suggest that they not use pods"

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I'm pretty sure that I came across anecdotal UK independent engineer reports of them attending store brand dishwashers (e.g. Currys 'Kenwood' and 'Logik'; defunct Comet 'Proline', etc. It probably also referred to Argos 'Bush' and 'Russell Hobbs') - usually made in China.

Too much foam caused leaks into the flood tray. Unfortunately, due to poor build quality and poorly positioned components, the motor electrics got short-circuited too. Complete write-off as parts were difficult to get.


Post# 985046 , Reply# 38   3/3/2018 at 06:32 (201 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I've often thought those tabs/pods were too concentrated for the small amount of water the modern dishwashers use.

If I use one and hear the foam sound inside...and open the door to check it out...when I re-latch the door to start the machine it will bubble out under the door!  I just gave my last ones to my mother who has the same dishwasher as me but unsoftened water.


Post# 987201 , Reply# 39   3/18/2018 at 23:48 (185 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Iíve been using Cascade Platinum Paks for three years now and have been very pleased up until last Wednesday. I did a load in my Whirlpool WDF330PAHW using the 1 hour cycle with heated dry option, just like always. I placed the one Platinum Pakís in the dispenser, just like always, making sure to run the hot water at the sink until it was really hot before pressing start. When the cycle was complete and I opened the door I immediately knew something wasnít right. There was a white film all over the clear glass items, and upon further inspection I found the partially dissolved Platinum Pak on the bottom, left side of the tub. The dishes hadnít been cleaned thoroughly either and I had to rewash several items. This had never happened before and I was concerned that there was something wrong with the dishwasher. So I ran a cycle with no detergent and an empty tub to see if everything was OK with the machine, and it was.

The next day I bought a box of Cascade Complete Powder and gave it a try. I found that it cleaned just as well, if not better than the Platinum Paks, and at $5.99 for the large box, compared to $13.00 for the 36 pak Platinum Paks, this will now be my daily driver DW detergent.

To keep it fresh, I poured the entire box into a 2 quart Rubbermaid pitcher, so its sealed against any moister. Since our water is extremely hard here Iím filling the main cup to the max line and also the prewash cup as well, using one of those little plastic measuring cups that come with liquid medicine.

And like always, Iím using rinse aid too. The real difference I noticed immediately is that the coffee stains came out of the white Corelle Stoneware mugs, stains that the Platinum Paks always left behind.

Thanks to all the members here that have posted favorable comments about Cascade Complete Powder. Your input helped me come up with an excellent solution right away.
Eddie




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Post# 987204 , Reply# 40   3/19/2018 at 01:21 (185 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        
I tried the new platinum packs

So i decided to try the "new and improved" platinum packs since i had trouble with tons of foam and these are even WORSE!!! They foam even MORE!! WHAT THE HELL!! I bought the new finish quantum packs too and they foam alot, the finish quantum was the only thing i could use besides something cheap. So what? We cant use anything anymore?????? (Dishwasher detergent is NOT supposed to foam!!!)

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Post# 987205 , Reply# 41   3/19/2018 at 01:23 (185 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        
Lemi shine

Tried lemi shine. ZERO FOAM!

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Post# 987233 , Reply# 42   3/19/2018 at 08:51 (185 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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That the worst thing about P&G products...the formulations and scents are constantly changing, sometimes announced on the the packaging, sometimes not.

 

Thanks for the report Eddie, maybe I'll give the Cascade powder another try.  I'm sure they have changed it since I last used it.  However since they'd rather people buy the premium pods (and lose the ability to dose them) they probably wouldn't have trumpeted the change on the box.

 

 


Post# 987251 , Reply# 43   3/19/2018 at 10:51 (185 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
As I said in the HE powdered laundry thread........

How I wish Henkel would bring Somat dishwasher-ing to the States! (Perhaps they have, but I mean to supermarkets, Target..without having to "mail order" the stuff..)


Somat 9, which a kind friend sent me, is the only dishwasher detergent I prefer to Cascade Platinum.


I just scrape, I never ever rinse a blasted thing, and cringe when well-intentioned friends, trying to be helpful, rinse dishes before I can load them.


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 987262 , Reply# 44   3/19/2018 at 12:13 (185 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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It makes you wonder.... if companies like P&G are even bothering with field testing anymore. Heck, even an internal employee test would be helpful.
Give some reformulated pacs to employees, test them for a few weeks and report back any good or bad findings.
We do internal field testing all the time. It's very informative.

Or are they just reformulating and tossing them out into the market?


Post# 987351 , Reply# 45   3/20/2018 at 01:24 (184 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California)        

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I've been wanting to get a picture of the foam when I run a load and keep forgetting. I'm gonna go with the powder next time.

Post# 988843 , Reply# 46   3/30/2018 at 15:05 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I ran a DD load this morning with a Cascade Platinum pack.† There was considerable sudsing during the prewash.† Much less, although some, during the main wash.† I got a few pics but can't get them out of the camera because I didn't have a memory card inserted and I can't find the mini-USB cable to get them out of on-board memory.

The Platinum didn't clean a tea stain that Boil Out handles nicely.


Post# 988850 , Reply# 47   3/30/2018 at 16:24 by appnut (TX)        

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I find the tea stain effectiveness varies.  When I use SmartWash and the load is quite dirty, soil removal is much better.  Main wash  has been clocked at 88 to 90 minutes.  Not sure if target temp is 130 or 140 in those scenarios.  But loads are far better dealt with when I opt for Sani-Rinse.  Main wash is 140+ and final rinse is 153 to 155.  And main wash can still be about 90 minutes. 


Post# 988852 , Reply# 48   3/30/2018 at 16:49 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Normal cycle.† Total time 115 mins (5 water changes), incl 23 or 28 mins dry.† 140įF wash, 150įF rinse.


Post# 988855 , Reply# 49   3/30/2018 at 17:02 by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
I'm only dealing with Miele...

I can't tell you how many households I've been in where the only trouble with their dishwasher has been the use of pods. Seriously. The excess detergent causes leakage, heating faults, drainage faults, incomplete rinsing.... In clothes washers, you can add in door lock faults, fill faults, spin faults....

They finally believe me when I run their washer to test it and there are suds in it. "That residue is on the last dishes/clothes you washed in this machine!"

Stop with the pods already! LOL!

Chuck


Post# 988856 , Reply# 50   3/30/2018 at 17:09 by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Hi Chuck,

I am NOT a fan of pods either...especially for a dishwasher. You cannot control the dosage. I've had customers that move into a new place and wash clean dishes with a pod, and think there is something wrong with the dishwasher because it oversuds and leaks!!!!!

Hope you and Rich are well....Happy Easter to you both!


Post# 988873 , Reply# 51   3/30/2018 at 18:44 by appnut (TX)        

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I wish they'd make a Powder version of Platinum!! 


Post# 988880 , Reply# 52   3/30/2018 at 20:13 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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A contributing issue with the DD is that a drawer load is 50-/60%-ish of a traditional unit.


Post# 988891 , Reply# 53   3/30/2018 at 21:43 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Pods/Pacs

I find that the Finish Quantum pacs work quite well. That is if they fully dissolve during the wash. Using the new Bosch I find that the Auto or Heavy cycle is required to dissolve the pacs faster. The Normal cycle does not use enough heat in lightly soiled loads for the pac to dissolve fast enough. After I use the next bag of Quantum, I might go back to the Cascade Complete powder mixed with about 20% STPP in volume. I too would buy a Platinum version of Cascade powder. Perhaps a little citric acid and maybe double the enzymes? One good thing about the pacs is that they can combine both powder and liquid ingredients together in one dose, which is kind of an engineering feat.

Post# 988894 , Reply# 54   3/30/2018 at 22:29 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Not really sure why so much hate for pods, for me they just work.  I keep some powdered on had to use with odd or small loads, but never had a suds issue in my new KA, last time I looked mid cycle there was a small amount of suds on top of the puddle of water, certainly nothing I'd worry about.  Got to be the water in your area causing that.


Post# 988924 , Reply# 55   3/31/2018 at 06:55 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Not really sure why so much hate for pods..."

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Because of the excessive foaming issues.

These pods are designed for a full load of dishes, in a full-size machine, with a filthy level of soiling, and hard water to boot.

God help us if we have a half load, a compact machine, light soiling, or soft water... we get excessive amounts of foam generated. Even more so, if several of the above factors come into play.


Post# 989009 , Reply# 56   3/31/2018 at 19:51 by StrongEnough78 (California)        
Finally got pictures.

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The detergent cup just opened about 5 minutes before. The pack wasn't even dissolved all the way and already this much foam. I'm going to switch back to the powder. That's a good 2.5 inches of foam already from what I can tell. The tub is pretty deep.

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Post# 989035 , Reply# 57   3/31/2018 at 23:00 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Because of the excessive foaming issues.

 

As I have stated I've never had a similar issue.  I'm sure there are other factors in play here, as to the amount and type of water used.  If I remember I'll snap a picture of the little amount of suds I have using pods...


Post# 989060 , Reply# 58   4/1/2018 at 04:27 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Loading a sharp knife with its blade upside would be a sure way to cut my wrist in no time at all. Distracted as I usually am...

That is an impressive amount of foam. Can`t comment on the Cascade Packs, we didn`t have any P&G automatic DW products for a long time in stores, but I`ve always found if a DW detergent tends to be on the sudsy side it also seems to do a superior job for crystal clear glasses.
Guess if it chokes the pump it`s way too much.




Post# 989062 , Reply# 59   4/1/2018 at 04:52 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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That's similar to what I had in the first wash period and the pod was only about 1/2 dissolved.† DD takes slightly less than 1 gal per fill.


Post# 989383 , Reply# 60   4/4/2018 at 01:05 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I popped a pack in tonight and remembered to get a picture.  No suds to speak of...


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