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if you had to chose a dishwasher today what would you go with modern or vintage
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Post# 989429   4/4/2018 at 13:12 (200 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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hello to all aw members if yu had to chose a dishwasher today would you go with a modern dishwasher where you would have to let the hot water run from the tap before running the dishwasher or use the hi temp wash option as well as sanitize rinse option to get the needed hot water, or a vintage dishwasher where the water would already come in the dishwasher hot in modern dishwashers these days basing myself on the modern ge dishwasher my mom and I own if I have to add something in the dishwasher at start of the cycle until the options to heat the water kicks in water comes in luck warm or cold sometime so in order to get hot water I must use the steam prewash option as well as make sure the sanitize option is on feel free to share your opinions.

*small note the dishwasher I have is still brand new

Post# 989446 , Reply# 1   4/4/2018 at 16:05 (200 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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We just replaced a BOL Modern WP with a vintage KitchenAid KDS-20. No comparison! Vintage is better, an old KA, Maytag Jetclean or reverse rack, Whirlpool Powerclean, or a D&M Rotorack

Post# 989451 , Reply# 2   4/4/2018 at 16:56 (200 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I would personally go new.
Iím quite confident in the performance of WP and Boschís new products. I like the water savings, the quiet operation, exterior style. The cycle times donít bother me.

But thatís me.

Post# 989452 , Reply# 3   4/4/2018 at 17:10 (200 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Hate noisy DW. And anything beyond 3.5gal for a typical 4-fill cycle seems unreasonable for me...

Post# 989453 , Reply# 4   4/4/2018 at 17:40 (200 days old) by wishwash (Illinois)        

I personally think that there are plenty of good options on the market. Bosch is definitely the king if finances allow. I'm simply blown away by the cleaning performance of these machines. They're so quiet its hard to tell if they are running.

From the standard brands (WP, GE, Frigidaire) I would honestly go with a middle of the line model. I think a lot of the higher end options are gimmicky. I do like Frigidaire's blade spray wash arm which appears to soak the load a lot better than a standard wash arm. I however have never really had issue with a standard one. GE seems like the Whirlpool knockoff with a little more thought put into them. It is really personal preference.

I think my biggest factor at this point is the way the racks are designed. Bosch definitely takes advantage of every square inch.

Post# 989459 , Reply# 5   4/4/2018 at 18:07 (200 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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I would love to find a vintage KitchenAid like so many have on this forum.



Post# 989469 , Reply# 6   4/4/2018 at 19:29 (200 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        

I would love a vintage KitchenAid as well but surprisingly if I had to make the decision right now I would go with new. I currently have a Miele dishwasher and am more than pleased with the results. I consistently get beautifully clean dishes and not a speck of food is left on them. Once in a while I challenge it with a really burnt casserole dish or filthy pan and every time I think I will open it after the cycle and it will be dirty and every time its sparkling clean.

I have owned a Kenmore from the 70's, followed by a GE GSD2800, then an Australian brand that I cant remember, a whirlpool right after the power clean was discontinued, a Miele, a Bosch 800 series and now my Miele Futura Diamond. Of all of them this Miele and the GE are my favorites.

Post# 989472 , Reply# 7   4/4/2018 at 19:32 (200 days old) by stchuck (Winfield, il.)        
One more

There was a Jenn Air about 6 years ago that had Maytag (hence whirlpool) guts and although I had problems that one cleaned surprisingly well. The racks rusted and the middle spray arm would stop rotating from time to time. When it worked I had great results. Cleaned as well as the Bosch.

Post# 989505 , Reply# 8   4/5/2018 at 00:38 (199 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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When I found a new unused KUDI23 I jumped on it.  It's in my kitchen now.

Post# 989514 , Reply# 9   4/5/2018 at 03:15 (199 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

It depends on the purpose.

For fun I'd love to have a vintage AND RARE model, better if it's new in box.

As a daily driver, I'd definitely go modern.

Post# 989520 , Reply# 10   4/5/2018 at 04:48 (199 days old) by Chachp (Conway, AR)        
I am faced with that decision now

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We just bought a new house and my husband really wants a modern dishwasher in the kitchen as our daily driver.  We've been living with a Maytag RR for a about a year now.  I love it, but for whatever reason he really wants something modern in the kitchen.  I was hoping to find a vintage house with a vintage kitchen but it wasn't in the cards this time around.  We settled on a home built 18 years ago.  It was built by a builder for himself so it has lots of extras like an amazing custom kitchen.  This is the reason Joe wants modern for the dishwasher.  


So the compromise...The house has a large laundry room with lots of cabinets and a sink.  I'm going to have the cabinets altered to accommodate a dishwasher and I'll put a vintage machine in there and use it as a back up.  I can pull them in and out of there depending on my mood.  


I'm looking at a Miele G 6745 for the kitchen.  Anyone have this machine and recommendation?  We don't close until the end of this month so I still have some time to decide what I want to put in.  I've always wanted a Miele Dishwasher so I figure I better strike while the iron is hot on that one!!

Post# 989525 , Reply# 11   4/5/2018 at 06:52 (199 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
vintage is fine,

but for me if the other appliances are also.
Miele is top klasse.
Is your pooch a poodle, havanese, or a bijon?
We've been without a dog going on 3 years. Had two large ones before. Time for a smaller breed. I'd like on I can still walk though.

Post# 989526 , Reply# 12   4/5/2018 at 07:48 (199 days old) by Chachp (Conway, AR)        
She is a Bison thanks for asking.

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She is the light of my heart (next to hubby or course).  Best dog I have ever had.  We did a lot of research before we picked this breed and it was all true.  Very smart, good temperament, good around people, very easy to train, etc.  Spoiled you ask, YES and I own it.  LOL.


She turned 13 this year and she is still going strong.  We keep her cut short because we don't want to brush her every day.  We have a few times over the years let her grow out to that typical Bison cut but it's lot of work so short is better for us.  

Here are a couple of my favorite snaps.  This is a great option if you want a small dog with a good temperament.  We pad trained her in about a week so she doesn't even have to go out unless we are.  Great option when it's crappy outside so she stays clean.

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Post# 989528 , Reply# 13   4/5/2018 at 07:56 (199 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Modern or Vintage?"

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It depends on several factors.

Obviously, water consumption is a big deal these days, so a modern machine it has to be.

Spare parts can be an issue, so again, go modern.

But there's no point in buying a modern machine if it doesn't clean well.

In saying that, my experience of a modern machine from 2013, shows that it cleans very well indeed.

Conversely, my modern machine from 2003/2004 is just too lily-livered to do a consistently good job. Bosch, with my model, erred just too much on the lower side of time and energy usage. It could have done with an extra 15-20 minutes per cycle, or a more aggressive spray action - or maybe both.

I rather think that machines and detergents have 'leap-frogged' over each other. Thus a vintage machine might give good performance with the old chlorine and phosphate detergents, but might not work as well with the biological non-phosphate ones. I had that experience with 1990s machines (Zanussi), and poor performance with bio powders (Reckitt Benckiser's 'Finish Ultra', Lever's 'Sun Micro', P&G 'Fairy Glazeguard'). The then available tablets weren't much cop either, typically Finish 'Dual Layer' and Lever's Sun. However, a concentrated Finish 'Ultra Plus' powder was chlorine based, and it worked absolutely wonderfully.

I suppose an analogy would be that vintage cars are designed for leaded petrol, but modern ones are made to use unleaded petrol.

Post# 989529 , Reply# 14   4/5/2018 at 08:15 (199 days old) by Chachp (Conway, AR)        
Great analogy

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And one more thing to add to your list is the noise which is the main reason my other half wants a modern machine.  We have an open concept kitchen and family room.  Every vintage machine I've had in this kitchen has been so noisy that I could only run it when we weren't going to be watching TV.  The quietest was a Dacor I had years ago.  It was so quiet it had a light that shined on the floor to remind you it was running.  Hated the rack configuration.  I had a BOSCH for a while that was quiet but I didn't like those racks either.  Since then it's been all vintage. 


The loudest of them all has been this Maytag RR but I love the loading and the cleaning so I run it when we're not in there.  The new house is not quite as open as this one but a loud machine will still be heard in the Family Room so I'll go modern for convenience sake (and to slow down the bitching Ha.) and the items you listed above.

Post# 989530 , Reply# 15   4/5/2018 at 08:32 (199 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Oh, that's easy:

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Vintage (pre water saving) Potscrubber with multi-orbital arm, hands down. Cleans better, rinses better, the multi-orbital arm doesn't require special loading to get things clean.

Vintage KA is overrated. They require insanely exacting loading patterns, their porcelain tanks rust through and they don't clean or rinse well enough to justify the outrageous prices.

But - any Hobart built KA is going to be a million times better choice than the plasti-elasti trash on the market today. Miele is the only good modern brand. I liked mine back home a lot. 

Post# 989533 , Reply# 16   4/5/2018 at 08:53 (199 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        

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These long long cycles are ridiculous that is the main reason I want to keep away from the newer units - and it doesn't accomplish any energy savings!

Post# 989549 , Reply# 17   4/5/2018 at 11:19 (199 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        

We just replaced our Whirlpool GU2300 (which is for sale by the way) with a new Bosch 300 series machine. I love the Bosch. It uses far less water, believe it or not, energy as well using the Normal cycle. It washes better, and dries better despite what people say about them not drying. I do, however, dislike the racks in comparison. I am still getting used to it. I looked at Miele dishwashers and could not justify spending at least $1K for what I can get in a Bosch for $700. Plus, Bosch rates higher in reliability, wash performance, and also they have a larger number of certified service technicians and parts in the US. So I went with the Bosch! After Easter I loaded up the machine to the brim and ran a heavy cycle. Not a speck was left anywhere. The Whirlpool did a good job when using Hi-Temp wash and Sani-Rinse, but otherwise was average and loved to redistribute food particles. I clean the filter after each wash since I tend to not rinse before I load. It is just a way to prevent it from getting dirty. I just removed the second rack handle/ tablet tray to see if the Quantum pacs will dissolve faster this way.

With that being said, an old Hobart build KitchenAid machine would be cool since my great grandfather actually work at the Troy, Ohio plant, and these machines really kick up the water well. Some times I wish that the Whirlpool and Bosch both had a cycle that would run higher water levels, heat the water very quick, and use higher pressures. My Bosch does have the Clean30 cycle that I have never used. I do wish it came with the Clean60 cycle instead.

Post# 989552 , Reply# 18   4/5/2018 at 12:10 (199 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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Personally quietness and low water consumption arenít necessarily must haves to me, the biggest thing to me is how clean the dishes come out. My two biggest complaints about modern dishwashers: insanely long wash cycle times, and having grown up surrounded by dishwashers with built in garbage disposals, I find those filters in the bottom that you have to clean to be completely obnoxious. Perhaps Iíve been spoiled these last 13 years by the PowerClean and itís disposal. I could overlook the long wash cycles if I didnít have to clean that filter. Might seem like a strange and petty dealbreaker, but itís so easy to forget about that filter until the foul smell of rotten food particles shows up. Some family with a now one year old Whirlpool with the global wash system had no idea the filter was there, and neither did I until recently, so the machine went almost a year without having that thing cleaned, talk about foul and fucci!

Post# 989564 , Reply# 19   4/5/2018 at 14:47 (199 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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At the risk of being branded an AW heretic, Iíll vote for no dishwasher right now. A week ago, I turned on my 10 month old Whirlpool dishwasher loaded to the hilt with a couple of days worth of unrinsed dishes and left the house for a walk. When I returned the clean light was on. I opened the door and found that the dishwasher had filled with water, but the water hadnít sprayed the dirty dishes. And with the heated dry selected the food had baked on all the dishes!

So, I had to wash them all by hand, after soaking them to get the baked on food off. Up to this point I have been very pleased with this dishwasher. I called Whirlpool and they set me up with an appt. for a service tech to come on the 4th of April, between 8am and 4pm, and the tech was located almost 70 miles away. On Tues. the 3rd they called and now wanted to come between 4 and 7pm. I told them to cancel the appt., and I called Whirlpool back, got a great service rep who listened to my concern and set me up with an appt. with a service rep only 5 miles away, for 4-18.

In the meantime, Iíve rediscovered the theraputic satisfaction of doing our dishes by hand, and Iíll have the dishwasher repaired, but probably wonít use it much anymore, if at all. The dishes seem to be cleaner, especially the glassware, and they are all done at once, I donít have to latter on go back to the kitchen and unload the dishwasher. I like to complete tasks from beginning to end. And having to go back later to unload the dishwasher just prolongs my ďMIldred PierceínĒ inthe kitchen.

Iíve had a dishwasher since 1987, and I never thought that these words would ever leave my mouth. But this is our second diswasher in less that 3 years, and Iím really disappointed with the quality that I see in whats being produced these days. So, for the foreseeable future Iím going to just do our dishes the tried and true old fashioned way. Another plus, is that this task helps me to release my anxiety over the current state of our union.

So, allís well that ends well. Iím currently using the dishwasher to store the dish drainer and drain board when they arenít in use, very handy storage space, even if that's not its intended purpose.

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Post# 989566 , Reply# 20   4/5/2018 at 14:56 (199 days old) by Chachp (Conway, AR)        
Too radical for me...

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Post# 989569 , Reply# 21   4/5/2018 at 15:10 (199 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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Too radical for me too! LOL Iím vehemently opposed to washing dishes by hand, a good dishwasher should be even more thorough and they sanitize dishes with water hotter than we humans can stand to touch. I learned how to wash things by hand but I also was taught that a dishwasher is preferable, hand washing is for those rare things that wonít fit or when you need one or two items immediately. We donít buy non dishwasher safe dishes or cookware so thatís not an issue...

Post# 989570 , Reply# 22   4/5/2018 at 15:29 (199 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
i prefer to clean my dishes in the dishwasher

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to be honest I prefer using the dishewasher than wash by hand here how my dishwasher works if I use normal cycle with heat dry no water heating option cycle is 1 hour 23 minutes 1hour 46 minute if using the wash bottle option on heavy with all option its 2 hours 93 minutes almost 3 hours

Post# 989574 , Reply# 23   4/5/2018 at 16:23 (199 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well, I refuse to be without a dishwasher.  Last fall I was without my dishwasher for almost 6 weeks because the distribution valve died.  (Then I later found out my very hard water helped kill it and the pump died a week after the valve was replaced).  The last tech to install the new pump had worked as a repair tech for 30 years.  He advised me to use Lemi Shine dishwasher cleaner once a month rather than the the Affresh because I need something stronger with my water conditions.  So now I do that and also add Finish booster in addition to my pod and put some Cascade Complete gel in the prewash.  My loads are always pretty soiled after 2-4 days (after all I AM Mr. BobLoad).  My water heater is set at 120 degrees and even though I run the tap right before I turn on the machine, the prewash water is between tepid and warm at best.  I rarely use high-temp option.  I use Smart Wash or Normal most of the time and no heat dry.  Default times for those two cycles are 1:40 and 1:52.  But by the time the dishwasher adjusts the cycle and target temp because of soil level, that stretches out to about 2:42 to 2:58 minutes and I usually get 3 post wash rinses automatically due to soil.  Default for Pots & Pans is 2:16 and with high-temp that is 2:40.  That cycle usually finishes 2-5 minutes less than the initial default times. If I do occasionally use\ heated dry, I use the extended heated dry and that adds 1:26 minutes. 


Rarely run the dishwasher when I'm not awake.  The day the distribution valve failed, I'd loaded it up with filthy dishes after doing a bunch of cooking and had timed it such that the cycle would be finished by the time I left for work the next day.  I cam out for breakfast the next morning and didn't hear the usual slight sound of water spraying from wash arms.  I'd selected TurboZone and thought may it was in that phase.  (But it didn't change for the rest of the cycle).  turns out it never changed from the initial TZ jet use in prewash.  The detergent pod was still perched atop the bottom rack handle where it had landed on when the dispenser opened.  I waited until I got home from work to open it up.  Original dish soil level.  I had to wash the damn load by hand.  Every night I talked to my partner on the phone he got an earful of just how much I hate washing dishes by hand and eating/drinking from disposable plastic/paper/foam items is unacceptable.  And when I got my water bill, he really got an ear full.  Using the dishwasher saves me several hundred gallons of water a month.  Plus, I don't wash by hand as well as the dishwasher does anyway.   Doing dishes by hand is not therapeudic for me at all.  Also with no rinse policy, I have less chance of accidentally dropping and breaking something, which can also happen with washing by hand. 

Post# 989583 , Reply# 24   4/5/2018 at 18:35 (199 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Well, I am learning my new Air Book and can't copy and paste yet.

There are Miele Dishwashers starting at around $899.00.

If I had to go Brand New, Miele would be my choice. They hold a ton and clean well.

Post# 989594 , Reply# 25   4/5/2018 at 19:45 (199 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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One thing I sure remember about the old dishwashers is how incredibly hot the dishes were at the end of drying cycle.  Bone dry and too hot to touch. Rinse aid not required!

Post# 989600 , Reply# 26   4/5/2018 at 20:57 (199 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Eddie: I am certainly sorry to hear your 10-month old Whirlpool has already had a failure, in part because I have the same (albeit portable) dishwasher! Except for the ungodly racket, I really like it. Cleans everything beautifully on the 1-hour cycle. I would imagine it's a bit quieter when installed undercounter.

As for washing by hand, regulars here will recall I hadn't planned to get a dishwasher upon moving to the apartment last summer. That notion didn't last long, LOL.

Post# 989604 , Reply# 27   4/5/2018 at 21:33 (198 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I hope that you donít have the same problem. Like is said before, Iíve had a dishwasher since 1987, and never had any operational problems until this one and the GE immediately before this one, The main complaint I had with my dishwashers before these last two was the coating on the racks wearing out and the racks rusting.

I agree with you about the one hour cycle, it works very well, at least when the dishwasher itself is working. Iíve absolutely no patience for these new DWís with the 2 1/2 to 3 hr., or longer cycles.

I recall how you werenít crazy about doing dishes by hand when you moved to your apt. Iím surprised that this hasnít been a problem for me. Even the Easter dishes, with company wasnít a hassle. I had them all done in less than 20 mins, and put away. Normally I find everyday dinner dishes can be done in about 10 mins, including putting them away. I use rubber gloves with full on hot tap water and donít get burnt. The dishes are dry by the time Iíve finished stacking the rinsed dishes in the rack and draining the dishwater and cleaning the sink. I quick hit with a fresh dishtowel and theyíre ready to put away.

I grew in a home with out a dishwasher and never lived in a home with one until I was 36 years old,so its not a foreign process for me. When we got our first place with a DW we felt like Wezzie and George Jefferson, moveín on up!

I may eventually change my mind about doing the dishes by hand, but in the meantime Iím strangely enjoying it, maybe it reminds me of being young again, LOL. When life hands you lemons make that lemonade, as the saying goes.

Post# 989606 , Reply# 28   4/5/2018 at 22:16 (198 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

I prefer vintage for its aesthetic, variety, ingenuity and imagination. Now all modern products look generic. The designs are all based on computer generated templates, shared engineering and technology platforms and whatever unimaginative cosmetic flourishes are added by the product design teams - they are about as exciting as a cup of cold milky tea with that fatty skin floating on top. We live in the age of UGLY uniformity. It permeates all of society right from the top down to the lowest of the low human life forms. We pay accolades to mediocrity and reward the talentless. One only has to look at music, art, fashion, entertainment and politics and there we have the sum of this great repository of centuries of human imagination, experiences and endeavours being reduced to rationalist economics, where everything is focused on increasing profits over all else. Even freedom and democracy. These are very sad and dangerous times. If current trends continue to flourish, we will all end up living in a world of monochromatic minimalism - drab and nasty. We'll all just be little grey mice turning the wheels of a global economy that feeds the indulgences of the ueber rich.

Post# 989627 , Reply# 29   4/6/2018 at 04:53 (198 days old) by westingguelph ()        

I'm sorry to hear about ea56 problem with the 10 month old Whirlpool as I have that exact same dishwasher and I love it. This is one of the first newer dishwashers I've had that really cleans dishes fairly quietly in a timely manner. This one replaced a Maytag Quiet II that was a disaster and a GE before that which never worked properly from the first day. Funny though this one is just coming up to the 10 month mark...eeek. If you do decide to get it repaired or Whirlpool comes to the rescue (doubtful) please let us know how it turns out.

Post# 989637 , Reply# 30   4/6/2018 at 07:40 (198 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Going back to washing dishes by hand?! Oh no!

If you are one of those folk who simply have to jump out of your seat as soon as the dishwasher finishes, in order to unload it, then modern machines will probably drive you up the bloody wall.

What we do is switch the machine on in the evening, say 8:00pm, let it run its cycle, switch it off before going to bed, leave the machine closed, wake up to dry dishes and unload in the morning. Obviously if you're a working soul, depending on what your mornings are like rushing about to get to your work, then the unloading might be delayed until the evening. Either way the dishes are dry. Simples.

Post# 989643 , Reply# 31   4/6/2018 at 10:10 (198 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        
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Brian, I agree with you about the 1 hour cycle, it does work really well, and thats why I bought this dishwasher. I want to get things finished in a timely manner. And I never used all the various cycle choices on other dishwashers. So this one fits my needs perfectly. I will be having it repaired as its under warranty. As it stands now Iíll probably choose to continue doing the dishes by hand most of the time.

Rolls_rapide, Iíve thought about using the delay start, but then there is no way to run the hot water tap until the water is max. hot before the DW starts, so most of the initial water entering the DW would be cold, and these new DWís really need to start with water that is as hot as possible. Also, when I get up, the last thing I want to do is unload a DW. I know, Iím anally retentive! When I leave my kitchen I want it to be neat, tidy and in order. The 1 hour cycle fits my needs best for a DW.

Ideally, we could still get DWís like they made in the late 40ís and early 50ís that advertised completing the cycle in 30 mins or less. All the new appliances have cycles that go on seemingly forever, to conserve water. Iím just not the kind of person that wants wait for 2 or 3 hrs. for the dishes to be clean, and then when Iím relaxed, watching a movie or show have to get up and unload the damn thing. And if I donít find doing the dishes by hand to onerous, thats a plus for me. If the DW hadnít broken down last week I would probably never have rediscovered that doing dishes by hand is something that works better for me.

Everyone runs their own cribs differently.


Post# 989645 , Reply# 32   4/6/2018 at 10:33 (198 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        

This is why I purchased the Bosch instead of another Whirlpool. I can actually buy discounted Whirlpool products through a family member, but I felt that the quality was a better factor than the price. The Bosch has left me impressed with its build quality and thought that has been put into it. Earlier I mentioned the rack design being odd, but another thing is the tray they have in the second rack for tablets to dissolve. I found that it wasn't dissolving quickly enough, so I removed it. Now the tablet falls to the bottom of the tub and dissolves just as quick as in the Whirlpool.

Post# 989647 , Reply# 33   4/6/2018 at 10:57 (198 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        
I just canít pass up a good excuse to play with an applianc!

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Some family have a Whirlpool Gold thatís about the same age as yours that died, so far no real issues with it. Itís cycle is so long, 4:30, that usually the machine canít get the after dinner dishes unloded until the morning anyway in most cases. The one hour wash is OK, but not overly thorough, and add 30 minutes if you want the dry cycle too. Timí brother in law feels like the 8 hour soak and clean gets the best results, Iím never there when the dishes get unloaded in the morning, but I can say they will regularly over load the thing in the worst way, but sadly theyíre a bunch of Lilly livered dish rinsers (LOL) so I canít say it really qualifies as a Bobload unless I load it. Iíve been known to cry out in panic ďdonít you dare rinse that plate!Ē Iíve been using my KDA5 there lately so I can get more dirty dish time with it, and so I get the satisfaction of unloading and looking at the dishes after, as it only runs for 45 minutes and itís done. Sadly someone loaded up something rather fucci and it put a large glob of something nasty and greasy in the filter and left a gag reflex triggering film on EVERYTHING run in the last cycle they ran in it. Half of that stuff seemed clean and the rest went through the Kitchenaid with the remaining dirty dishes in the sink, and I heavily loaded the Whirlpool with Lemishine and ran it empty on the 8 hour soak and clean, will find out today how it came out...

Post# 989649 , Reply# 34   4/6/2018 at 11:21 (198 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I don't care if it's vintage or modern, as long as it is quiet (below 45 dB). I don't like noisy appliances. I almost always run the dishwasher in the evening and unload it as soon as it's done (my modern Bosch takes 79 minutes on the auto cycle and a max of 95 minutes on Pots/Pans with Sani).

Can't fault the performance of their dishwashers.

Post# 989654 , Reply# 35   4/6/2018 at 12:22 (198 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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Bosch does seem to have the best wash cycle time of he modern machines.

Post# 989701 , Reply# 36   4/6/2018 at 21:57 (197 days old) by seedub (South Texas Hill Country)        
Bob, Why Don't You Have a Water Softener?

I paid $5k for mine, but I consider it a worthwhile investment.

Post# 989712 , Reply# 37   4/7/2018 at 00:17 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I've been without a dishwasher for several years. At times, I'd say I'd be happy with anything, as long as it wasn't a total piece of worthless junk...


I don't have much personal experience to rely on for making a decision. I've only used 2 dishwashers (surprisingly), and the oldest was made in the early 90s. That dishwasher would qualify for Imperial by age, but still feels "modern" to me...


Older machines, though, would be more fun--particularly if in a long forgotten color. And if I ever did a dream kitchen, it would quite likely be vintage themed. I'm intrigued by the Kenmore Roto Rack, although I'm not sure I'd want a D&M dishwasher to be a daily driver...


Newer dishwashers, though, have better parts availability. (Of course, some here--including me in my most cynical moments--might say you need lots of parts available because stuff is so poorly made now!) The newest dishwashers would probably be a better match for the detergents of today.





Post# 989715 , Reply# 38   4/7/2018 at 00:47 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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theraputic satisfaction of doing our dishes by hand


This reminded me of passage from an old novel (Haunted Bookshop by Christopher Morley) that I read many years ago, which talked about washing dishes. I did some research, and found the book on Project Gutenberg. The character talking here owns a bookstore:



 "Then it occurred to me that here was just the relaxation I needed. I had been worrying over the mental strain of being surrounded all day long by vociferous books, crying out at me their conflicting views as to the glories and agonies of life. Why not make dish-washing my balm and poultice?


"When one views a stubborn fact from a new angle, it is amazing how all its contours and edges change shape! Immediately my dishpan began to glow with a kind of philosophic halo! The warm, soapy water became a sovereign medicine to retract hot blood from the head; the homely act of washing and drying cups and saucers became a symbol of the order and cleanliness that man imposes on the unruly world about him."








Post# 989719 , Reply# 39   4/7/2018 at 01:30 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I grew in a home with out a dishwasher and never lived in a home with one until I was 36 years old,so its not a foreign process for me. When we got our first place with a DW we felt like Wezzie and George Jefferson, move’n on up!


I never used a dishwasher until I was 36. My family had an old Kenmore portable lying around that came with the house, but the only time I remember it being used was one day when my mother wanted to quickly wash a mountain of dishes before relatives came for a visit. But once those dishes were washed, that was that--the dishwasher went back to its corner, and wasn't used again. Not even after dinner when we had at least 5 visitors in the house.


I sort of had an attitude for years that a dishwasher was pointless for someone like me who lived alone. Then, when I was 36, I was living in a place that was being prepared for sale. That involved some plumbing fixes that made the dishwasher usable, and so I thought I might as well try it. And I quickly became addicted to the thing. No dish washing drudgery! No dishpan hands!


Sadly, I only had a dishwasher to use for a couple of years, total, and then it was back to drudgery...

Post# 989720 , Reply# 40   4/7/2018 at 01:56 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I don't care if it's vintage or modern, as long as it is quiet (below 45 dB).


There is value in a quiet dishwasher. It's something I might like long term. But the first dishwasher I used was noisy (it was probably low end builder's grade). Yet, I didn't mind the noise, even though it was quite audible in the next room, where I might be watching a movie. I possibly didn't mind the noise partly because it was a reminder that a machine was doing that tiresome pile of dishes, and not me! But long term, I suppose that noise could have gotten tiresome. (I only lived with that dishwasher a few months before I moved on.)

Post# 989723 , Reply# 41   4/7/2018 at 02:15 (197 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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In 1962 when I was 11 years old my family moved into a beautiful home that was built in 1956. It had a Westinghouse all electric built in kitchen, in a brushed copper finish, except the stove top was brushed SS, with a dishwasher that pulled out, just like the GEís of that vintage. My Mom used it 2 or 3 times before it started to leak, and never used it again. My parents had spent a lot moving into the new home, and hadnít sold the old one yet so with two mortgages spending any extra dollars on getting the DW repaired was not considered. Then in less than 2 mos. after we moved into that home my Dad was killed suddenly in an auto accident and getting the DW fixed was the least of our problems. What you donít know you donít miss.

But Mom had wanted a DW for some time. I recall for Christmas in 1959 Dad bought her a mink stole, they were all the rage then. She was disappointed because she had really wanted a DW, go figure! She lived her whole life without one, save the few days that Westinghouse worked before it started to leak. And I never remember her complaining about not having a DW, except Christmas 1959.

But then again, she had the three of us kids as her dishwashers as long as we were still at home, and every holiday until she passed away the three of us still always did the dishes after dinner. Old habits die hard.


Post# 989767 , Reply# 42   4/7/2018 at 13:02 (197 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        

I can't believe that you don't have a dishwasher. Even a portable?! You need to treat yourself and find a good one! There absolutely is value in a quiet dishwasher, especially where ours is located. The kitchen is in the middle of our house. The old Whirlpool was not quiet. The Bosch is silent except for the dishes moving around inside and during draining. I have never had a dishwasher that could actually move the dishes enough to cause them to make noise. Incredible.

Post# 989771 , Reply# 43   4/7/2018 at 13:36 (197 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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Moving dishes is a good sign I feel. A good friend of mine has a Bosch dishwasher, and youíre right, one time I didnít even know it was running until I heard a soft clink come from inside...

I find using the machine to be therapeutic, the fun of trying to fit everything in there and still have it come out clean, pushing the buttons/turning the dial... But most of all the sound of it running, the humming of the motor, the woosh of the water, clinking dishes and rattling silverware. Itís much like a washing machine and itís noises. I guess to me thatís why I donít always like quiet dishwashers, I feel Iím being robbed somehow of the experience of the machine running.

Post# 989777 , Reply# 44   4/7/2018 at 14:50 (197 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"the sound of it running..."

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I prefer the constant consistent sound of an older machine, where both spray arms are always operating.

The recent basic Bosch of my parents' spends about 5 mins on the bottom basket and 1.5 minutes on the top basket. It is acceptable.

My 14/15 year old machine spends 50 seconds per basket, with 5-10 secs spent slowing down and switching the diverter valve. This is just plain irritating. And perhaps worse, the motor speed slows down to very slow at certain stages of the cycle. Then sometimes, it starts to wash a basket, stalls seconds into it to 'recalculate time', then decides to switch to the other basket!

I had read other people's experiences with my model, which were as equally scathing. The folk went onto buy a basic Bosch (similar to my parents' model), which whilst noisier, cleaned rings around the previous expensive machine.

I suppose, in a way, I'm willing my machine to die. Knowing my luck, it'll last another 15 years!

Post# 989796 , Reply# 45   4/7/2018 at 16:55 (197 days old) by superocd (PNW)        
I'm kind of torn on this...

I gotta have stainless, and I like the plain, simplistic look of my hidden-control Whirlpool. While the wash performance is mostly good, I'm just thinking that the fish-tank pump will be short lived. The pump rotor is encased in plastic, shrouded by the stator. Very puny looking. Not the 25-lb boat anchor motor we are accustomed to. I've had it for a couple years though, no problems yet.

I remember taking it out of the box and seeing the pump assembly beneath the machine--I was so stunned at what I saw that I was very close to taking it back. I was thinking, no way Jose, but I thought that I'd give it a try since I had 30 days to return it if I didn't like it. Besides, every other manufacturer had similar designs I'm sure, so it would be self defeating to turn it in. It worked pretty good the first load, but I was still concerned about the durability aspect.

I may be wrong, this thing may still run 15+ years from now, but I'm not counting on it. At least the repair is quick and easy if and when it fails, the entire pump assembly is just one unit that you can pull out from the tub from what I've gathered. My wife, who is a talented medical professional (RN) but not so mechanically inclined could probably do this with no problem.

That said, I would love the durability/performance of something like a Potscrubber, a Hobart KA or a WP Powerclean. Each of those had forceful wash systems none too shy with the water usage and had real motors.

Besides mismatched aesthetics, the only other thing that would hold me back would be the fact that parts for the KA and Potscrubber may be somewhat or mostly NLA, and a few years from now I'm sure it would be the same issue with the Powerclean. Oh, I don't think my wife would take bringing in a relic too kindly. Therefore I'd have to go with the modern machine.

Post# 989827 , Reply# 46   4/7/2018 at 20:17 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I can't believe that you don't have a dishwasher. Even a portable?! You need to treat yourself and find a good one!


I don't have a portable. Or even a countertop dishwasher.


I considered--seriously--getting a portable not long after I left the last place I lived that had a dishwasher. I had trouble, though, in finding something reasonably cheap on the used market. I theorized that portables are relatively rare now--built in dishwashers are so common now--and so they could command higher prices in market for those unfortunate sorts like me who needed a portable.


During that period, I did see a countertop dishwasher that was in my price range in a thrift shop. But they had no returns allowed policy, and no guarantee that the thing worked. The price was too high for a gamble.


I even gave some thought to getting a regular dishwasher, and somehow making it work. Perhaps make it into a portable. Perhaps just do a crude installation.


Part of me still fantasizes about a dishwasher...but my current kitchen would not work without work/expense...which I'm not in a position to deal with at this time.


I suppose the good thing--if/when I have a dishwasher again, I'll appreciate it more...



Post# 989828 , Reply# 47   4/7/2018 at 20:31 (197 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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As a single man I could easily live without one.  I like having one, but I only run it once-a-week unless I have dinner guests which doesn't happen often.


I do cook for myself most of the time, but it's always simple crock-pot or single pan affairs.


I do like that the dishwasher uses super-hot water and in theory gets dishes cleaner than hand-washing.  But I know that's not really a valid concern because I grew up without a dishwasher (the dishwasher was often me, LOL) and I did a terrible job most of the time.  Nobody got sick or died from my poor hand washing!





Post# 989832 , Reply# 48   4/7/2018 at 20:51 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I do cook for myself most of the time, but it's always simple crock-pot or single pan affairs.


The most I ever do these days is simple one pot meal. I can't even honestly remember the last time I did anything the least bit ambitious.


In a way, it's actually sort of funny that I whine about dish drudgery, and how much I wish I had a dishwasher, given that I don't generate very many dishes living alone, and having simple meals.


Meanwhile, I never really gave doing dishes by hand much thought at the end of my mother's life. Back then, I was cooking for more than one. I was also cooking more elaborate meals then. And I used more dishes when we actually ate than I use now. And I didn't miss a dishwasher. Handwashing was the only approach I really knew, and I guess I worked on biases my mother had. She did not like dishwashers--she thought they broke dishes--and there may have been "we won't generate enough dishes in a meal to make it worth running a dishwasher, anyway!" argument.


Although, in favor of a dishwasher, if I had one, I might be more willing to do more complicated meals more often now. Also one can argue that it might take only a few minutes to wash up dishes--but that adds up. And it seems unlikely I'll cook for others until I have a dishwasher to deal with my currently non-existent Royal Doulton with handpainted periwinkles china.

Post# 989834 , Reply# 49   4/7/2018 at 21:04 (197 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I do like that the dishwasher uses super-hot water and in theory gets dishes cleaner than hand-washing.  But I know that's not really a valid concern because I grew up without a dishwasher (the dishwasher was often me, LOL) and I did a terrible job most of the time.  Nobody got sick or died from my poor hand washing!


I like the idea of cleaner dishes, too, although I guess I also recognize that we've hand washed dishes for most of human history and gotten by just fine.


Although I suppose there  may be people who have some health issue or other that makes it desirable having dishes sanitized, which is easier to do with a dishwasher.


Post# 989861 , Reply# 50   4/8/2018 at 01:43 (196 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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WE lived without a dishwasher for a few months while between houses during a move, we survived, but what I remember most was Mom taking a pot of boiling water and pouring it over the dishes after she rinsed them, sheíd set the drying rack down in one side of the sink and load it with dishes and then scalding them with boiling water. I remember asking her why she was doing this and she said that washing them by hand doesnít disinfect the dishes effectively since you canít put your hands in water as hot as the dishwasher uses, so this was necessary to sanitize everything.

Post# 989876 , Reply# 51   4/8/2018 at 07:17 (196 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Reasons for using a dishwasher

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A European University once did a study (possibly in Germany), where they dragged folk in off the street and forced them to wash dishes by hand; foreign visitors included. (Ethically, they actually asked people if they'd participate in the study).

Anyway, a variety of hand-dishwashing detergents, scrubbers, mops, sponges were made available, and the conscripted employees were told to wash the dishes as they would at home. This was compared to the use of a dishwasher.

The results varied according to the person washing the dishes. Some folk washed, but didn't rinse; others left the hot tap running the whole time, wasting gallons of water. Someone else put a dollop of detergent in individual glassware. I think the most frugal was the person who filled the second sink with hot water for rinsing, and precisely measured the detergent into the first sink.

The result was that a dishwasher uses resources more consistently, and uses substantially less than most people. Also, the level of hygiene is higher when using the dishwasher.

Post# 989928 , Reply# 52   4/8/2018 at 15:11 (196 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Ethically, they actually asked people if they'd participate in the study


But it's more amusing to think of a possibility of researchers kidnapping people off the street, and holding them at gun point while they wash dishes...

Post# 989930 , Reply# 53   4/8/2018 at 15:29 (196 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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The result was that a dishwasher uses resources more consistently, and uses substantially less than most people. Also, the level of hygiene is higher when using the dishwasher.


None of this is really surprising. We've heard one or more of these points for years. The use of resources seems pretty obvious--all you have to do is think of how much water a dishwasher uses, and then think of how much water you'd use to wash a dishwasher load full of dishes.


Yet, it's interesting that some people still resist dishwashers. I have to wonder if there aren't people who still consider dishwashers "wasteful." Otherwise, why would there still be announcements about dishwashers using resources more frugally than handwashing?


I think the most frugal was the person who filled the second sink with hot water for rinsing


A neighbor apparently did the second sink basin for rinsing trick when I was growing up. I think I learned of it when one of the girls in the family was my babysitter once. I recall my father trying that trick--maybe I pushed him into it. (This would have probably been the late 1970s, when energy saving was a big thing.) In any case, he went back to running water for rinsing, which suggests the sink of rinse water trick didn't work well for him.

Post# 989941 , Reply# 54   4/8/2018 at 17:14 (196 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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It is entirely possible to be both hygienic and conservative washing dishes by hand.

First of all, use good rubber gloves. This way I can use fully hot tap water at 125 F without burning my hands. This is the same temp that my DW would be using.

Secondly, I fill the wash sink with probably 3 gals of hot water with the dish soap, put the silverware on the bottom of the sink, stack the plates on top, and then the glasses and cups. I wash the glasses first, then the plates, next the silverware, placing all the washed items in the other side of the sink. Then I wash the pots, pans, serving bowls,ect. and place them on top of the rest of the already washed dishes.

Then, turn on the hot water in a slow stream and begin rinsing. This way the rinse water is pouring over all the already washed dishes in the sink, rinsing them too. As I rinse each piece I place it in the dish drainer. I doubt that I use any more that 2 gals of hot water to rinse this way, if that much. I am always very cognizant of how much hot water Iím using, we are all electric and I know very well how expensive it is to run the hot water. I would never leave the hot water running full force the entire time Iím washing and rinsing.

I next drain the wash water, clean out both sinks and wipe down the sink and faucet to prevent water spots. By the time I finish this the dishes are for the most part already dry from the heat of the hot rinse water. So I only have to do a light drying with a clean dish towel.

This whole process takes maybe 10 mins on a regular day for the dinner dishes, and this includes putting away the leftovers.

What I find so interesting about the exchanges on this thread is that some people are so concerned about the conservation of water and energy and maintain that using a dishwasher uses less of both. This only true though if you use one of the newer DWís, the old DWís use way more water and energy, and they do a much better job cleaning too.

Yet on many of the threads about HE automatic washing machines many members loudly decry the lack of abundant hot water in modern HE TLís. So, in the end its really all about what you personally find important and how you want to do your own laundry and dishes.

I knew when I posted that I surprisingly found that I enjoy the process of hand washing dishes I was going to crack hell wide open here, LOL. But I also like to do laundry with a wringer washer too. I would do this too, but our home just doesnít have the proper set up to do this. The kitchen is a small, efficiency condo kitchen, no room for a wringer there. The dedicated laundry area is a closed with bifold doors, no place for a tub for rinsing. And the bathroom with the tub is configured in such a way that I canít use a wringer at the bathtub either. Believe me, I have given this some thought.


Post# 989950 , Reply# 55   4/8/2018 at 18:33 (196 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Right now dishwashers have improved considerably in the case of my Maytag over-coming the unreliable '90's-junk, the disposable quality of the '80's product, where you STILL had to pre-wash/rinse off your dishes, and the chintzy '70's stuff, that was rapidly filling up the landfills no matter what make you settled for, or had to put up your hard-earned money to...

It cleans, everything fits & with exception of a flood of water leaking from it, of which pressing the Cancel/Drain provided a remedy of a problem still of unknown origin, it still has yet to break down!

-- Dave

Post# 989951 , Reply# 56   4/8/2018 at 18:37 (196 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
American Kitchen Sinks...

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I am always amazed by the fact that US kitchen sinks have no integral draining board.

Post# 989952 , Reply# 57   4/8/2018 at 19:04 (196 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"I am always amazed by the fact that US kitchen sinks have no integral draining board. "

That's a good question. They used to a very long time ago. Maybe when kitchen sinks became integrated into countertops it was decided that drain boards take up too much space. Perhaps drain boards did not fit in with contemporary design aesthetics and, perhaps, their omission was meant to encourage consumers to buy a dishwasher?

Overflows in kitchen and bathroom sinks are another thing that doesn't seem to be a standardized feature. In Europe I've never seen a sink without one. In Australia they are as rare as hens' teeth. I've never lived in a place that had an overflow in any sink or bathtub. I don't recall it being a standard feature with American sinks and tubs either, but they do exist more commonly than here in Oz.

Post# 989955 , Reply# 58   4/8/2018 at 19:11 (196 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Iíve seldom seen a bathtub without an overlow. Same with most bathroom sinks. Now all these new vessel sinks donít have overflows, but every bathroom sink Iíve ever used in my whole life has had an overflow, ditto bathubs. Now to have the same thing in a kitchen sink would be nice, but that Iíve never seen here in th USA. I did however live in an old apartment about 46 years ago, and it had an intergrated drain board with the kitchen sink, and it was a great setup.


Post# 990004 , Reply# 59   4/9/2018 at 01:41 (195 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Hi Eddie,

You know better than I. I haven't been back for a long while.

When I lived over there I was very young and did not pay all that much attention. However, at my grandparents' place I distinctly remember there not being an overflow built into the bathroom sink. Their house was constructed in the mid-fifties and had a turquoise green enamel basin with the aluminum border. There was definitely no overflow, because I flooded their bathroom. Their double kitchen sink I am not so sure about, it was in the same style as the bathroom basin with the metal trim. I never flooded my grandmother's kitchen, but her 1954 Kenmore dishwasher did in the mid-eighties, when the inlet hose sprung a leak. That was the last time she used a dishwasher in her house.

Post# 990007 , Reply# 60   4/9/2018 at 03:30 (195 days old) by Chachp (Conway, AR)        
Integrated drain boards

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About 20 years ago I was redoing a condo that I owned in Chicago.  I recall asking the contractor about a sink with a drain board and he looked at me like I was speaking another language.  They make some nice SS ones that would fit in place of a sink.  He offered to score the granite countertop on each side with kind of a V shape about a foot out or so on each side maybe a little longer I don't remember.  The V got deeper as it got closer to the sink.  It actually worked really well.  I could place things there to drain and then when I put them away it almost disappeared into the counter.


Has anyone else here ever done that?  I wish I had some pictures of it but I haven't been able to find them.

Post# 990503 , Reply# 61   4/13/2018 at 03:43 (191 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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My mother bought her first Kitchenaid in 1974 when Daddy was laid off from Reynolds Aluminum.  He still drew sup pay, but she went back to work for a while.  She said since she was working  she wasn't going wash dishes anymore so she went to the local KA dealer and picked out the best...KDS17-A in coppertone.  I was 3 years old.  It was always a thrill for me to push the start button. 

When I moved out to an apartment without a dishwasher, I quickly bought myself a new portable Maytag Jetclean and used it until I bought my house...then I converted it to built in and used it for many still works, just needs a little TLC so it's vacationing in MIL's basement while the "new" unused KUDI23 is pulling the load a few times a week.  I'm planning on converting the Maytag back to a portable because there are things that just won't fit in the KA that will fit in the Maytag.  When I was single for over 2 years I still used my dishwasher regularly.  When I send dishes of food over to MIL at Christmas or Thanksgiving or anytime for that matter, even though she is a clean housekeeper we still run them through the dishwasher before they go back in our cupboards.

Post# 990528 , Reply# 62   4/13/2018 at 07:46 (191 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        
Thats a good one but, I chose both.

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I do not wash dishes by hand, I hate that with a passion.
I have a old G.E. pot scrubber with that off set gear driven wash arm. The machine is
old but works great. It's just very loud.

I also have a Smeg Dishwasher model # STO905U. Its a very unique dishwasher that is 36 inches wide with two wash arms on top and two on bottom.
I have the Smeg on top of my Trash Compacter because, it to awkward to install but I love the way it washes.
That Smeg has been a great washer and its virtual silent and was a cheap dishwasher because they stopped making it .

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Post# 990529 , Reply# 63   4/13/2018 at 07:49 (191 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Dishwashers!

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From selling them I would recommend Maytag, Kitchenaid, Whirlpool or Bosch!
At home depot we don't have Bosch yet but will be getting them soon!
Some suggestions


Post# 990530 , Reply# 64   4/13/2018 at 07:51 (191 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Dishwashers

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Post# 990531 , Reply# 65   4/13/2018 at 07:55 (191 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Dishwashers!

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I don't like the real long cycles on all these machines - the Bosch seems to be a
bit better and has had good ratings!


Post# 990546 , Reply# 66   4/13/2018 at 09:10 (191 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@rolls rapide

the late 1940s/1950s electric sink combination units (sink, DW, and sometimes also a disposal) often included a drain board, as did the older sink units they replaced.

My grandmother had an early 1950s KA combination. She did plates and glasses in the KA, but hand washed her pots (lots of Le Creuset)
and large utensils, drying them in a rack atop the integrated board. As she lived in a semi-rural area of Connecticut, with a septic tank and no municipal sewer line, she did not have the disposal option.

The combination units allowed people to upgrade to a DW without a major remodel, as long as the existing sink was the same width. My grandmother's unit was installed in a mid-1930s kitchen, the cabinetry of which appeared to be original.

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Post# 990587 , Reply# 67   4/13/2018 at 15:05 (191 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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Iíve always considered the ride home to be a dish tainting experience, riding in the car touching who knows what... I guess I got that from my mom. We always washed everything when it came home from someoneís house, always because it had to ride home and the trip was considered dirtying, nothing to do with the house it was at, just how it is...

Post# 990681 , Reply# 68   4/14/2018 at 06:50 (190 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Thank you. That sink has a practical, tidy design.

I often think modern designs, whilst being 'modern' and ultra 'arty-farty' - sometimes they are the most impractical designs under the sun. It makes you wonder if the designers even bothered to consider usability.

Post# 992001 , Reply# 69   4/24/2018 at 17:56 (180 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        
Update on DW Repair

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Well yesterday my DW was repaired after being out of service for over a month. The appliance service company that completed the warranty repair was excellent, especially the service tech that did the work. He was out on 4-11 to diagnosis the problem, which turned out to be exactly what I thought it was, the recirculation pump needed to be replaced. The service tech told me that he checked the service bulletins and that there were several Whirlpool DWís with this problem on the list, but my serial number wasnít among them. But he ordered the entire mechanical assembly anyway and installed it and the DW is up and running again.

But during the down time, as Iíve stated here before, much to the chagrin of many, I discovered that I actually prefer hand washing the dishes anyway, so Iím still kicking it old school. The whole process is strangely calming to me, and Iíve been more relaxed than I have been in years, particulally after dinner, when everything is all done. And the dishes havenít looked this good in years either, especially the pyrex and other glassware. So Iíll probably will only use the DW when we have company, if even then.

Apparently, hand washing the dishes is my unconventional form of tranquilizer, go figure! 🙂


Post# 992027 , Reply# 70   4/24/2018 at 21:23 (180 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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Good to hear you now have to option to return to the modern world if you want, Eddie! Just kidding, good to hear warranty service worked out for you and that you have found a new mode of therapeutic action out of the experience.

Post# 992042 , Reply# 71   4/25/2018 at 02:35 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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When I was little I stayed with my grandmother after my dad was called back to work and my mother kept working for a while to catch up.  Grandmother didn't have a dishwasher and it was fun to stand on her little footstool and wash the dishes by hand.  She would always do the knives but the rest was all for me.  She's the one who taught me how to use a pressure cooker...when I was only 3!

Post# 992048 , Reply# 72   4/25/2018 at 06:08 by EmmaR (New York)        

I had doubts about buying a new dishwasher, because my kitchen is in vintage style, and I finally decided to go with a built-in Bosh. It's quite, fast, has sanitize option, and it fits nicely in my kitchen cabinets. For now, I don't regret :)


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