Thread Number: 75828
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Permanent water conservation rules for Californians "per person per" day |
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Post# 996644   6/9/2018 at 12:38 (2,147 days old) by dylanmitchell (Southern California)   |   | |
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What I want to know is how they're going to enforce the "per person per" day for indoor water use. Do they already know how many people are in my house or will they start tracking this? I'm actually surprised California doesn't have its own regs for washing machines like they do for toilets, faucets, and showers but glad they don't. And I'm sure no one has bought regular flow fixtures online or in Yuma...
The real solution besides conservation is recycled water. Or fewer people. Not sure what that would be in San Diego but I'm reading a book that suggests the sustainable population for Phoenix-based on natural resources is 25,000 and San Diego has more resources so say 100,000 or so which I know won't happen. Two bills, AB 1668 and SB 606, set general guidelines for water agencies to follow in California's post-drought era. Standards will be based on a formula that is made up of three main factors: an allowance of 55 gallons per person per day for indoor water use — dropping to 50 gallons by 2030; a yet-to-be determined amount for residential outdoor use that will vary depending on regional climates; and a standard for water loss due to leak rates in water system pipes. Water agencies will be encouraged to have their customers limit indoor water use to an average of 55 gallons a day per person, declining to 50 gallons by 2030. Most Californians have low flow toilets, low flow faucets, and have curtailed outdoor water usage. And with a high-efficiency front load washing machine vs be beloved TL SQ you'd be unlikely to have trouble meeting the new restrictions. Or you could just plumb your washer to water landscaping. www.sacbee.com/latest-news/articl... www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/31/c... CLICK HERE TO GO TO dylanmitchell's LINK |
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Post# 996658 , Reply# 1   6/9/2018 at 15:07 (2,147 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 996659 , Reply# 2   6/9/2018 at 15:11 (2,147 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)   |   | |
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.....and my average daily use is 49 gallons per day. That is with FULL FLOW shower head, 30 year-old top load washing machine and 20 year-old dishwasher.
I have no lawn to water - just container plants outside in the back yard. Dishwasher is run once a week on "normal" cycle. Average 2 loads of washing per week. Shower (GASP!) only twice a week. I save water in a bucket in the bathtub while waiting for the hot water to get from garage to upstairs bathroom. I flush the toilet only once a day (unless...) and one flush is accomplished with the bucket of water. I do wash my own cars (2) once every 3-4 months using a shut-off nozzle on the hose and bucket of soapy water. Conservation is the "new normal" for California - and it's only going to get more stringent as time goes by. Oh yes - for this LITTLE amount of water that I use the cost is $40 per month. |
Post# 996664 , Reply# 3   6/9/2018 at 16:06 (2,147 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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The water company I deal with here in the Desert, Coachella Valley Water Distirct, gives you very detailed information concerning your present and past monthly water usage. In addition, you are given a rating, the top two being "Excellent" or "Efficient". I always fall in these categories so give me at least half a gold star. I have a decent-sized lot with a medium-sized back lawn, very necessary for my 2 Springer Spaniels. At one time I had a very large front lawn now changed to desert landscaping courtesy for the most part of the water company and the State. It was pricey and I'm grateful.
Even though I live alone, I still have 4 toilets, 2 tubs and 3 showers so I do try and conserve (I guess it's the number of people using this stuff that counts, not how many you have). I haven't used my dishwasher in 2 years (very few things to wash) and the Maytag big-tub Atlantis is no water saver. Hard to believe the new 2017 Speed Queens are still covered up in the garage...now going on 3 months or more. I suspect the washer will use about the same amount of water as the Maytag if it ever makes it to the laundry room...a scant 20 feet away. Dumb me! |
Post# 996669 , Reply# 4   6/9/2018 at 16:57 (2,147 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 996680 , Reply# 7   6/9/2018 at 18:33 (2,147 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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"Shower (GASP!) only twice a week." What? 2 showers per week? This is.. is... is... OMG i don't even want to think. |
Post# 996681 , Reply# 8   6/9/2018 at 18:55 (2,147 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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I only put my toilet into the septic and regular drains go to a sink spout, french drain and dry up. There is nothing in detergents or most anything a reasonable person knows what and what not you could put down a drain that would cause environmental damage. And I am on a well that is constantly full.
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Post# 996712 , Reply# 11   6/10/2018 at 06:21 (2,146 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 996714 , Reply# 12   6/10/2018 at 06:52 (2,146 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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is beyond me.
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Post# 996728 , Reply# 14   6/10/2018 at 10:16 (2,146 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Why would anyone want to live ine California? Well, maybe because its our home. I was born here and I love it, and wouldn’t live anywhere else. BTW, California pays more taxes into the federal cofers than any other state in the union and those taxes help to finance the other states that are more improvised. Yet, we get no more representation in the Senate than any other state, and thereby less of a voice in how those tax dollars are spent at the federal level.
I have no idea what taxes are in other states, but I bet that every state has taxes that its citizens complain about too. Without taxation we can’t have roads, bridges, public water systems, public schools, police and fire depts. to protect us, ect., ect, And the regulations in California are meant to help save our environment and resources for the present and future generations, not to just inconvience and piss off people. I’m happy that I can turn on my tap and enjoy clean water. I’ll bet the people of Flint, Mi. would like to do the same. Eddie |
Post# 996735 , Reply# 15   6/10/2018 at 11:27 (2,146 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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I'll take the California taxes, regulations, banned items (?) and all the rest any old day.
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Post# 996744 , Reply# 16   6/10/2018 at 12:35 (2,146 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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So many serious social problems can be solved with the use of a condom. People really should not reward women for getting pregnant. For example, never tell a pregnant woman "congratulations"(for what, having sex and destroying the environment?). I would also say for women, don't go to baby showers, why have a gift grab for making kids (men don't go to baby showers).
Twintubdexter: Actually, the Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Harrisburg areas - where a lot of PA population is voted for Hillary (this would be Allegheny, Philadelphia, Bucks, and Dauphin counties). Plus, Hillary actually won by 3 million, the population of the Pittsburgh area. But you are right, even though more expensive and I get sunburned easily, I would like to live in California. |
Post# 996760 , Reply# 17   6/10/2018 at 16:53 (2,146 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Relax, folks. Nobody is going to monitor or enforce individual's indoor water usage. These are guidelines being instituted for water districts.
Some fake news websites have started to try to get people alarmed by falsely claiming it will illegal to take a shower and do laundry on the same day in California due to "draconian" water regulations. Water is a precious resource in California, especially Southern Cal. I think it is prudent to plan for a our future and find ways to lower water usage where possible. This really isn't anything new. We have had to cut water usage before and we'll do it again. While we often suffer droughts, I think it safe to say Southern California has the best year-round weather in the nation and a beautiful coastline. Every state has benefits and draw backs. |
Post# 996780 , Reply# 22   6/10/2018 at 19:27 (2,146 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 996781 , Reply# 23   6/10/2018 at 19:35 (2,146 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I am the president of our HOA with 20 unit’s of townhouse’s. There are approx. 35 residents. We have a Smart Water meter that I monitor daily, to head any major leaks off at the pass. We are currently irrigating the lawns 3 x’s weekly. Our average daily usage is 2377 gals. This is a total of 16,639 gals per wk, of which 5350 gals are for irrigation only. So this computes to 1627 gals per day, divided by 35 occupants, =46.49 gals per person per day. So we are already easliy below the proposed daily limits per person, w/out watering the lawns. During the drought our average daliy usage was less than 2000 per day, so I don’t worry too much about being able to stay within the new proposed limits.
We are careful with our water usage. All the faucets and toilets, and shower head meet the state low flow requirements and I don’t find this to be an inconvenience at all. You get used to it. The 1.6 gal toilets work way better than the old 3.5 gal toilets ever did. and they were installed free by the city water dept. We take “Navy” showers, wet down, turn off the water shampoo, leave in the lather and then lather the body, then rinse. Got used to this too, kept it up after the drought was over, saves on the cost of electricity to heat the water. I’ve had both hips replaced, and for the first two weeks after both surgeries I had to bath at the sink. And thats not so terrible either. I learned how to get comlpetely clean with a sink full hot water, a fresh wash cloth and a bar of soap. Our ancestors had to do this all the time. I just want to be able to always turn on my tap and have water come out of it. If you’ve ever lived in the country with a well, and had it go dry, or the holding tank run empty, you know how important it is to have running water on demand. We’ll all manage just fine. Eddie |
Post# 996783 , Reply# 24   6/10/2018 at 19:54 (2,146 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 996848 , Reply# 27   6/11/2018 at 12:15 (2,145 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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really sure what the fact that most of my county voted from Trump has to do with anything. |
Post# 996859 , Reply# 29   6/11/2018 at 16:25 (2,145 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I forgot to mention that our water usage also includes a small swimming pool. Factoring that into the equation we are doing pretty good in our convservation of water already. And I know that many of our residents don’t have low water use washers, and many are not especially conservative in their water usage. So, with just a little sacrafice and adjustment the new, proposed water restrictions shouldn't be that terribly onerous.
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Post# 996873 , Reply# 30   6/11/2018 at 18:27 (2,145 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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It was a mistake for me to inject anything political into a topic here. Water conservation is important almost everywhere. Here in the ever-expanding Desert Cities the average yearly rainfall is less than 5 inches. The recent California drought is far from over but the concerned citizens of this state have done a great job of cutting back on water usage. It's not easy and in some cases expensive. Unfortunately, an old man like me who was born here, lived all of his life here and whose parents were born in California way back in the 1920's can take offense when someone says "Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond me". One in five of all 50 state residents live here. That's an awful lot of answers.
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Post# 996906 , Reply# 32   6/11/2018 at 20:58 (2,145 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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you understand how we feel about our state, as I would hope natives of other states can feel about their home state.
California is a beautiful place to live. We have the Pacific Ocean, mountains, lakes, rivers, the Redwoods, desert, snow, you name it. And people from all over the world live here. It’s liberal or not so much, depending upon where you are in California. But mostly progressive. There is something for everyone here. And because its a big state, with lots of people that inhabit it, it costs a lot to keep the everything in repair, and everything else that goes along with taking care of the public needs of a highly populated state. Plus, we get way less of our tax dollars back from the feds in funding than any other state in the union, but we pay a higher percentage than any other state to the feds. That’s at least one reason why our taxes are high. Nevertheless, California is a wonderful place to live. Now I wish that so many other people wouldn’t discover what makes California such a nice place to live. It was better before it got so crowded. Eddie |
Post# 996909 , Reply# 33   6/11/2018 at 21:24 (2,145 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Eddie, Too many people are discovering this place too. I dont understand why as we may get a few days of real warm weather late July and August and then rain and always crappy. I have lived here my entire life and am getting real tired of the excessive taxes and rotten weather. Snow and cold from November thru April is nuts. Want to throw my snow shovel away for good.
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Post# 996910 , Reply# 34   6/11/2018 at 21:35 (2,145 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Post# 996912 , Reply# 35   6/11/2018 at 21:55 (2,145 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Eddie, if we could just get rain in the winter, I could live with it but our snow has always turned into wet cement now. March 12 and 15 we got 52". Snowblower wont work on that. I honestly wish we could send water to you as last years leaves are still saturated and cant be raked in the middle of June. Crazy. I dont want to look at snow any more either. Guess I wont bother with my a/c for a while or open my windows. Last night set a record low.
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Post# 996919 , Reply# 36   6/12/2018 at 00:15 (2,145 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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As for California detractors, two thoughts come to mind. First, no place--no matter how wonderful--will be perfect for everyone. So people who hate CA can simply stay away.
Also it is easy for those of us who don't live there (and perhaps haven't even visited) to see nothing but the problems, because those problems get discussed to death. But the good features don't seem to get discussed anywhere nearly as often as the problems.
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Post# 996920 , Reply# 37   6/12/2018 at 00:24 (2,145 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 996921 , Reply# 38   6/12/2018 at 00:42 (2,145 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I'm not terribly wild about snow. It can be pretty, and it can be a nice break from endless rain and damp cold. But...I'm neurotic about driving in it, and it can pose practical problems where I am (roads becoming impossible, plus it can result in power failures).
That said...there have been times I've contemplated moving to the eastern part of the state. I'm not sure I'd like dealing with the snow all winter long, but the cost of living is attractive. |
Post# 996922 , Reply# 39   6/12/2018 at 00:42 (2,145 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Post# 996925 , Reply# 40   6/12/2018 at 01:08 (2,145 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I don't recall hearing of that bumper sticker before, Eddie, although I'm not surprised by it. There certainly has been real anti-Californian sentiment. One person who came out of CA, and lived in the Seattle area for a period, told me one reason he left was because he was tired of how get treated sometimes.
I'm sure one issue is how crowded the area has gotten, and how the cost of living has gone up. But, at the same time, there have been lots and lots of people who've moved from other places, too, and I don't hear the same sort of vitriolic comments about, say, people from the Midwest who crack and decide they can't stand another cold, snowy winter.
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Post# 996969 , Reply# 41   6/12/2018 at 15:19 (2,144 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Down a ways from where I live the new Del Webb Rancho Mirage Community is taking shape and homes are already being purchased. This is the third Del Webb development here. When I drive by the first thing I think about is "where is all the additional water going to come from for these 1,026 homes?" Edison can always slap some new power plants together and natural gas doesn't seem to be a current problem, but water is. The Desert has a natural aquifer below the surface. This is where most of our water comes from. More and more water has to be taken from the Colorado River in order to replenish the aquifer. The Colorado River is already strained due to area droughts. It's not like it's a bottomless pit. Add to this the ongoing war between Southern and Northern California. In normal years, the northern half gets far more rainfall than down here, yet millions more people live in Southern California and the climate is much warmer. Many of my hometown (San Jose) friends will point a finger at me and say "Thief!..you people are stealing our water!" It's not a pleasant situation, and the recent drought only exasperates the turmoil. I guess in the final analysis the problem is just too many people.
I suppose posting signs would be in poor taste...
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Post# 996970 , Reply# 42   6/12/2018 at 15:47 (2,144 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 997064 , Reply# 45   6/13/2018 at 14:55 (2,143 days old) by dylanmitchell (Southern California)   |   | |
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TLDR: California especially Southern California is a very pleasant place to live. We've lived in San Diego for four generations and most of our family still calls San Diego home. The cost of living, home prices, and taxes can make it a challenging place to be but we love it here and plan to stay.
Southern Californian's enjoy one of the most pleasant year-round climates. Within two hours of San Diego are mountains Palomar Mountain at 6,100 ft, Cuyamaca up to 6,500 ft, desert Borrego, tons of beaches, Mammoth is six hours away, Yosemite is 8 hours away. Our semi-arid Mediterranean climate is pleasant year-round and only a handful of cities have a similarly pleasant climate The Canary Islands, Spain’s Costa del Sol, Sao Palo, Sydney, Medellin, and Lihue has similarily pleasant year-round climates. We're generally a diverse, tolerant, and multi-culturally oriented. It's progressive and liberal with some pockets of conservatives. We also have our challenges with affordable housing and the high cost of living. Prop 13 which fixes your homes sale prices as the tax rate plus an increase of up to two percent a year. So you get folks with absurdly low tax bases sitting next to folks with market rate tax bases. Plus businesses are included so you see apartment building or other buildings with very low tax bases. It's not perfect here and San Diego home prices and cost of living combined with what we call the Sunshine tax or lower wages in San Diego can make life tough. San Diego's wages and cost of living and housing prices are more out of wack than LA or other cities but where the cost of living and homes is high but wages are generally higher. |
Post# 997131 , Reply# 49   6/14/2018 at 10:18 (2,142 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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If you could wash dishes and clothes together, then why not do laundry in the toilet...prior to using it of course. I see a whole new line of combo washer/commodes as well as conversion adapters. The late Phyllis Diller, talking about her early lean years of living in run-down motels, said she used to "wash the dirty dishes in the toilet". Not my idea of gracious living for sure.
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Post# 997142 , Reply# 50   6/14/2018 at 12:28 (2,142 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Not surprised to see Iowa at #7.
Whenever I meet somebody who isn't from here they almost always say it's because their spouse is and he/she wanted to move back. Once in a while it's because of a job, but not often.
California is not as low on this list as I would have guessed. The high cost of living does deter a lot of people I guess. CLICK HERE TO GO TO IowaBear's LINK |
Post# 997159 , Reply# 51   6/14/2018 at 15:26 (2,142 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I was interested to see my state (WA) in the 46.9% native range. I'm not surprised. I'm not sure what number I'd have guessed--actually, I hate trying to guess such things because I usually am far off! But it seems like a lot of people whom I know come from some other state. Including myself, although I'm "near native" in that my family moved here really young.
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Post# 997160 , Reply# 52   6/14/2018 at 15:33 (2,142 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I was also interested in the table showing natives in a state 1910-2010. WA was pretty much the 40% range in recent decades. I'd almost have guessed a higher level of natives at one point, given how much whining there was about Californians moving in.
I suppose, though, non-natives moving in might think it was OK for anyone to move in. Then, the day after they'd moved in, they'd start thinking anyone moving in would be ruining the state. |
Post# 997292 , Reply# 56   6/16/2018 at 01:00 (2,141 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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We used to have that exact same fountain in the front yard. I think that came from Lowe’s. |