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Thread Number: 75906
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Post# 997483 6/17/2018 at 19:08 (1,994 days old) by robbinsandmyers  (Conn) |
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 I just came back from my sisters place for fathers day with dad and heard the stories about her new WP dryer. Or should I say dryers. I mentioned her new WP washer sounded like it had diarrhea and she told me the story of how she's on her forth dryer in two months! Seems the first two had the tub rollers fall apart in two weeks. The third just stopped working. And now the fourth has the seal around the door splitting already. I told her how my landlords 35 year old Kenmore extra capacity electric dryer still works perfect along with my A407. This is why everything except the electronics and my bed are pre WWII in my house and it all still works perfect.
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| Post# 997633 , Reply# 2 6/18/2018 at 21:23 (1,992 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 997637 , Reply# 3 6/18/2018 at 23:31 (1,992 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Nothing Is as good as it once was! Everything is built to fail, I just made a cake with a early 50s Dormeyer and baked it in a 59 Westinghouse, the feel, sound and performance of the old stuff is just leagues ahead. | ||
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Post# 997682 , Reply# 6 6/19/2018 at 08:03 (1,992 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 vacerator: Oh, and Whirlpool no longer makes a belt driven washer.The VMW design introduced circa 2010 is belt-drive. The Maytag MVWP575GW commercial-home model that has been discussed as a SQ alternative is belt-drive, look up the parts diagrams to confirm. There is a VMW variation that uses the SmartDrive motor in a direct-drive fashion, such as Maytag MVWB856GC and Whirlpool WTW7500GW among others, but several belt-drive models are currently on the market. | ||
| Post# 997687 , Reply# 7 6/19/2018 at 10:02 (1,992 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Henrick's right.
When you're selling these things for barely $500 or less, it's amazing they're not made out of foil and paper. They're clearly making up pennies of profit on volume. Retail wants their margin. WP wants their margin. On a $399 machine, sometimes lower, I honestly don't know how they do it. The motors are so cheap now, they're aluminum windings on the low end machines. Selling for such low prices, and with commodities/materials costs squeezing WP, and now our super awesome trade war coming, the supply chain is going to have to shave even more cost out of the components. They'd have to use the absolute cheapest rollers and slides and gaskets they can find from China, Vietnam, Africa, wherever. Just to make a sliver of profit on these. The result of course, is quite literally, a disposable dryer. The Maytag washers and dryers I have along with my parents, were all around $800 retail. On sale. And their build quality and performance are pretty much fine and what's expected at that price point. Good components, well put together. Wash and dry very well. I know it's not at all fair for financially unfortunate folks to be saddled with buying a cheap appliance out of necessity. But they sure won't be built to "last" at that price. They'll be priced to barely function, and move off the sales floor for someone who can only afford a $400 dryer. Of course, the sad reality is, and we all know, that cheap shoddy dryer ends up costing more over time out of repair and replacement. It's almost like a cruel joke on the consumer. But business and capitalism are not charities, with no regard for humans. Sometimes the market corrects that. A lot of times it does not. C'est la vie. | ||
| Post# 997696 , Reply# 8 6/19/2018 at 11:11 (1,992 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
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Post# 997704 , Reply# 12 6/19/2018 at 11:51 (1,992 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 997707 , Reply# 13 6/19/2018 at 12:19 (1,992 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa) | ||
 Vacerator, you are wrong once again. Current VMW washers ARE still belt drive. I have the MVWC565 on my floor right now & it's BELT drive. The current MVWC465 is belt drive. The Amana NTW4516 is belt drive. The MVWP575 is BELT drive. Now on the other hand, the mvwB765/766, mvwB835 etc are NOT belt drive, but are direct drive. | ||
| Post# 997715 , Reply# 14 6/19/2018 at 12:43 (1,992 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
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| Post# 997716 , Reply# 15 6/19/2018 at 12:44 (1,992 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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$400
That's were you're mistaken though.
It's not that WP is making them for $400. They're probably making them for $150 or $200. WP needs their cut to make some money. Retail takes a big cut too. There's a lot of steel and parts in that "super simple" dryer as well as electronics to absorb that $150 BOM cost allowance. And as I said, with imports now going through the roof, the price of that same cheap - ass dryer will only go up as well. It has to, or WP would be wise to just stop making them. | ||
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Post# 997727 , Reply# 17 6/19/2018 at 13:50 (1,992 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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But you aren't paying the same. That is exactly what I calculated. And you do have choice. The used market is huge and espevially with dryers a verry viable choice. And if you are not willing to research first, well, honestly, 100% your fault. | ||
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Post# 997736 , Reply# 18 6/19/2018 at 15:06 (1,992 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Getting something from nothing | ||
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Post# 997737 , Reply# 19 6/19/2018 at 15:17 (1,992 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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250$ in when? I doubt GE made anything in the past 20 years up to 35 years lifetime. | ||
| Post# 997751 , Reply# 20 6/19/2018 at 17:35 (1,992 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Then all the sales people are lying to me. They all tell me they are all direct drive now. Are we talking the B.O.L. washers only? 3.2 cubic ft. capacity, with full agitator? | ||
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Post# 997764 , Reply# 21 6/19/2018 at 18:23 (1,992 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 997801 , Reply# 23 6/20/2018 at 00:05 (1,991 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey) | ||
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But you aren't paying the same I meant the same in 2018 inflation ravaged dollars. "Shrink-Flation" is an attempt to mask dollar depreciation. People point fingers at Business and Capitalism when it's primarily a government caused currency issue. | ||
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Post# 997805 , Reply# 24 6/20/2018 at 00:52 (1,991 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn) |
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I understand about what people are saying about profit and cost and price with inflation compared to back then. But the fact is a $500.00 dryer should have a lifespan of 5 years the way stuff is made today before it needs repair or replacement. Four dryers in 2 months is about as unacceptable as junk gets. Considering the first one she bought was a cheaper model and they upgraded her. Doesnt say a whole lot about WP these days. Has a Made in America sticker in front but I think assembled here may be more accurate because most of it is prob imported.
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| Post# 997840 , Reply# 25 6/20/2018 at 10:24 (1,991 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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It's all fine and dandy if you want it to last 5 years. (I certainly want it to too)
But those cheapo dryers only come with a 1 year warranty. That means WP, GE, FR, Elux, LG etc etc etc. are TELLING YOU they only trust that it'll last, defect free for 1 year. That's what they build to. That's what the market landscape is supporting. That's what consumers are buying, no matter how mad they get. They're not doing anything about it. In other threads, my high end GE dishwasher was starting to deteriorate after 2.5 years. I was mad. So I went and sought out a KA dishwasher with....yes the same 1yr piddly warranty, but it also has a FIVE year warranty on the racks and electronics, thankfully. That's super rare! And I paid for it. So KA trusts those components to last 5yrs or they will fix them for me. Your cheapo dryer is covered for 1 year, so they will fix or replace anything that breaks in that time. ON WP's expense. If they deem that they are paying too much in warranty repairs on certain models, they will revise designs and part sources. Not a second till then. As an engineer, I would LOVE to use the best parts. Mgmt won't let me. Sourcing has a budget, and the best I can do, short of walking out the door, is determine if the part can do the job for a reasonable amount of time for the cost they're allotting me. Sometimes it's not up to my standards. But that's what mgmt chooses. As long as it's not dangerous, I can't really make a stink about them foisting a cheaper component on me unless, again, I leave. And go where? Somewhere else that does the same thing? | ||
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Post# 997856 , Reply# 26 6/20/2018 at 14:08 (1,991 days old) by potatochips ( ) |
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I would argue a warranty doesnt indicate the manufacturers level of trust. Take a look at car warranties for example. Rather, a guarantee is what indicates trust level. | ||
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Post# 997859 , Reply# 27 6/20/2018 at 15:50 (1,991 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Long lasting GEs
Mid 70s to the early 90s. About every appliance type by GE had its day. They were dirt cheap, put in condos and apartments subjected to enormous abuse, with many still going strong. In fact the only reason some are being replaced is because they are dated. Or all around tired.
Of course after the early 90s, and even as far as the very late 80s, the decline started. Most GE appliances from the late 90s are designed to fail. Today, forget about it. However it shows that you can get something from nothing. | ||
| Post# 997863 , Reply# 28 6/20/2018 at 17:15 (1,991 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 997864 , Reply# 29 6/20/2018 at 17:43 (1,991 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 997992 , Reply# 31 6/21/2018 at 23:17 (1,989 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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Re Whirlpool and K Who said WP and Kitchen Aids didn't last as long, Hobart Kitchen Aids are THE MOST DURABLE DISHWASHERS EVER MADE!! not opinion, FACT! I cant say about Whirlpools, but I know of Kitchen Aids 50 and 60 years old still in daily use, NO COMPARISON, the longest lasting DW ever! | ||
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Post# 998000 , Reply# 32 6/22/2018 at 05:51 (1,989 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 998003 , Reply# 34 6/22/2018 at 06:28 (1,989 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey) | ||
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Yeah, the idea with modern cars is that a sensor replaces the dipstick and is supposedly more accurate... not sure I buy it. There are better reasons to avoid modern cars, though, like cheapened suspension components and electrically-assisted power steering... | ||
| Post# 998022 , Reply# 37 6/22/2018 at 10:25 (1,989 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
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Post# 998090 , Reply# 39 6/22/2018 at 23:49 (1,988 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn) |
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| Post# 998110 , Reply# 42 6/23/2018 at 05:34 (1,988 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey) | ||
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I'm not sure I necessarily need a dipstick to prevent low oil level wrecking my engine. I can tell so much about how an engine is running just by listening... | ||
| Post# 998136 , Reply# 43 6/23/2018 at 10:01 (1,988 days old) by fan-of-fans (Florida) | ||
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It's too bad they're poorly made. I had heard good things about these top filter dryers. The design goes back to the 1950s and from what I hear they're one of the better designs as far as not getting line accumulation. | ||
| Post# 998180 , Reply# 44 6/23/2018 at 20:03 (1,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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An ounce of maintainence is worth a pound of cure? By the time you hear ticking and rattling in an engine, there is damage. | ||
| Post# 998243 , Reply# 47 6/24/2018 at 09:50 (1,987 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
here what i think
here is what I think when it comes to buying a new washer dryer sometime we need to be budget wise washers and dryers of today are not like they where during the 60 or 1970 time change if the appliance is well cared for and not use regularly they might last but say you have a family with kids where you need to do laundry regularly because of clothes is heavy soiled then that can shorten the lifespan of the appliance itself on both the washer and dryer no matter what the brand is
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| Post# 998337 , Reply# 50 6/25/2018 at 07:02 (1,986 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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these dryers same for washers where the good old days
these older dryers as well as there matching washers where the good old days when appliance lasted longer unlike today appliances that do not last long its as if appliances company makes them last less longer to force consumer to spend and buy new appliance like they think the quality of the appliance is not important if you had to change your washer dryer set what would you chose vintage or modern?
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| Post# 998348 , Reply# 51 6/25/2018 at 08:47 (1,986 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey) | ||
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Small capacity from those whacking great old Kenmores, really?! | ||
| Post# 998380 , Reply# 53 6/25/2018 at 15:46 (1,986 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
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| Post# 999240 , Reply# 54 7/3/2018 at 21:41 (1,977 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo ) | ||
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ad bump. | ||
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Post# 999332 , Reply# 55 7/5/2018 at 02:16 (1,976 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn) |
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| Post# 999350 , Reply# 56 7/5/2018 at 06:17 (1,976 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Junk rolls down hill too. I know most of us agree. Tutti grande nella piccolezi. Means small, yet large. | ||
| Post# 1000072 , Reply# 57 7/12/2018 at 02:28 (1,969 days old) by man114 (Buffalo) | ||
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Interesting. I have a Kenmore that is quite similar from about 3-4 years ago and we do a metric ton on laundry and it’s held up like a champ. | ||
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