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Post# 1016125   11/28/2018 at 18:24 by henene4 (Germany)        

Messaged with appnut for several months about these machines now awaiting their rollout and they appear to finally be getting ready.
Official launch probably will be with CES in January.

Hope I haven't posted about these already and forgot lol.

At least the Whirlpool branded machines pull over their What to Wash/How to Wash user logic.
The drawer has been redesigned and so has been the automatic dosing.
Possibly there is recirculation now.
Tubs are bigger, spins slower, temperatures over all apperantly lowered.


What is funny is that apparently the Overnight Wash&Dry has been beefed up.
The manual reads like more items could be added and as if there might even be a heater involved.

Maytag has further been cut down in its lineup it appears and their cycle selection is different to Whirlpool as well.



Here's 2 models in Maytag FL listings:
www.maytag.com/washers-an...

Here's a WP model:
www.appliancesconnection....

There was a model that popped up on Whirlpools site a few days ago but has disappeared again by now.

So keeping your eyes open would probably get some more detailed information on the not to distant future.

Any questions, opinions or information would be welcome!


Post# 1016127 , Reply# 1   11/28/2018 at 18:36 by tomdawg (Des moines)        
whirlpool Line up

Nice! I do know whirlpool lowered their spin speed in the last models (the tinted door version) I talked to a whirlpool rep of why they did this, their reason was fabric care- makes sense. Im anxious to see them in person!

Post# 1016134 , Reply# 2   11/28/2018 at 19:22 by appnut (TX)        

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Some WP models appear to have access to the pump trap to be able to clean it out.

Post# 1016151 , Reply# 3   11/28/2018 at 21:03 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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It's an attractive machine. 5 cu ft is a new level for WP, did they make any f/l larger than 4.5 until this?

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Post# 1016152 , Reply# 4   11/28/2018 at 21:09 by appnut (TX)        

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Well,,,, my 1st generation direct drive 2011 model, on the front of the dispenser drawer, it states "5 cu. ft. I.E.C Equivalent capacity", but I think that worked out to actually be 4.5

Post# 1016153 , Reply# 5   11/28/2018 at 21:18 by tomdawg (Des moines)        
Matching Dryer

The matching dryer is only 7.4 CU Ft... I'm disappointed.. I think the more room, the better.

Post# 1016185 , Reply# 6   11/29/2018 at 04:26 by logixx (Germany)        
Aha

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So they finally made it onto Whirlpool's homepage. We discussed these many months ago but they were only shown on the Digital Library site.

Post# 1016186 , Reply# 7   11/29/2018 at 04:33 by appnut (TX)        

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Alexander, only the new all-in-one combination washer dryer is there, that I see. That model was put on there in August or September. The rest of the newer models, I don't see yet, in their line-up of front loaders. Unless you're seeing something I'm overlooking.

Post# 1016187 , Reply# 8   11/29/2018 at 04:36 by logixx (Germany)        

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www.automaticwasher.org/c...

Found the old thread ^


Post# 1016203 , Reply# 9   11/29/2018 at 08:43 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
about time

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I feel like it's been forever since Whirlpool updated their machines.
Please, dear God please
A coin trap
A recirculation pump
A heater
Some cycles that use a lot of water (if needed) that are NOT delicate cycles.


Post# 1016211 , Reply# 10   11/29/2018 at 10:47 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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'lower spin speed = fabric care'


who, how, why?....

more like, WTH?.....when has higher spin speeds caused excessive fabric wear?....

today, most everyone uses a dryer, to me, the higher the spin speed, the less drying required....even is clothing were to wrinkle, a few minutes in the dryer will take care of that...

I select the highest spin speed on all of my machines....never had a need to spin slower...


this sort of goes back to the 'Duet Sport'....defaulting to slower spins speeds for less vibration....


Post# 1016221 , Reply# 11   11/29/2018 at 11:52 by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Lower spin speed suggests to me lower build strength. Or at least that Whirlpool has thrown in the towel on programming their machines to distribute the load better.


Post# 1016233 , Reply# 12   11/29/2018 at 14:39 by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I think 1200rpm will be more than enough for a massive diameter drum like that.

Post# 1016250 , Reply# 13   11/29/2018 at 18:44 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
IIRC 1200rpms

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Seems to be the sweet spot for most new model front loaders now a days.

Studies have long proven while there is great benefit going from 900rpms to 1200rpms in terms of residual moisture after extraction; there is a sliding scale to where things pretty much drop off a cliff after say 1400rpms.

There was a time when everyone (at least in Europe) seemed to be offering 1600rpm or even 1800rpm final spin speeds. Besides no real great improvement in terms of extraction over 1200 or 1400, it does create wear and tear on the washer if done often enough. More so if loads tend to run unbalanced.

Miele washers and dryers of late vintage have a chart giving residual moisture levels at various final spin speeds, there you can see there isn't that much of a difference in terms of results.

Suppose for those using condenser or heat pump dryers doing a heavy load of towels or other thick and absorbent textile at 1800rpms *might* prove useful. But for a standard gas or full powered electric dryer not so much.


Post# 1016257 , Reply# 14   11/29/2018 at 19:47 by henene4 (Germany)        
Well, kinda yes, kinda no

Ever since the EU label washers have to have their extraction judged.

That happens in % residual moisture. That means each percent of residual moisture in that measure equates to 1% of the laundry dry mass still contained as water in a load.

So if you had a 10 pound load at 50% residual moisture, that should be about 5 pounds of water in the load bringing the total weight to 15 pounds.



For a long time, Mieles dryer manuals used to list cotton normal dry cycle usage data for several spin speeds in conjunction to which percentage of residual moisture that would equate to.

Of course rpm isn't the only thing that affects that spin result (drum diameter, load size, balancing, spin time), but there are a few key steps that Miele liked to point out.



One could usually say that at 800rpm a load of cotton would hold 70% residual water in an EU FL.
At 1000rpm that would be 60%, so a 10% drop for 200rpm more.
At 1200rpm, that would go down to 53%.
At 1400rpm 50%.
At 1600rpm 44%.
1800rpm and 2000rpm machines often reached similar results of either 43% or 42%.

Construction wise, forces aren't really to great of a concern as you would have a safety factor of 2 on that probably.
And you can buy bearings according to their estimated life in revolutions, so you might just equip one step up if you see need.
Motors long have been past being a problem for those speeds.

A bigger concern was that the frequency of vibration is drastically more concerning once you pass 1000rpm.
At 1000rpm the tub oscillates at just below 17Hz as a main frequency. That is usually just below human hearing.
At 1200rpm it oscillates at 20Hz, the beginning of human hearing for most people.
Thus, the jump from 800rpm to 1000rpm created far less noise concern then going from 1000 to 1200.
Force grows linear with acceleration which in it self grows linear with increased speed.
Noises don't work that way.

Thus, a washer spinning at 1200rpm had to consider different dampening and balancing.
Once past there, the issue was solved easily by adapting your designs for each frequency.



And clearly, the sweet spot for extraction was round about 1400/1600 rpm.

While 1400 rpm are perfectly fine if you dry some stuff in the dryer but hang most stuff, 1600rpm can make a noticeable difference when drying many larger loads.
Keep in mind for today's typical washers in the EU with their 8kg labeling, 50% residual moisture from 1400rpm would be equal to 4l of water at 4kg mass, while the faster 1600rpm spin would cut that down to 3.52l or 3.52kg, or more then a 10% difference in water content between the two.

Even in vented dryers that can be significant. Just check out this current EU Miele vented dryer manual:
www1.miele.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070...

On page 51, the usage data shows that for a 7kg (about 15.5lbs) cotton load, the difference between 1400rpm and 1600rpm would mean about 8min time and 0.35kWh energy savings of a 81min cycle that uses 3.4kWh.
That is about 10%.

For the US, the same would be true.

Interestingly enough, most vented dryers use about the same energy per unit moisture removed.
Main savings here are achieved with more air and less heat.



Looking at washers and using an online calculator tool shows that 1200rpm US washer probably has a slightly lower g-force rating compared a EU 1400rpm machine, but catches that up with increased load size as well, so both should come out to 50% residual moisture give or take.
Those bigger load sizes also mean that a US FL has to endure far greater stresses then a EU FL.

However keep in mind that going from 1000rpn to 1400rpm on a 50cm diameter tub increases the g-force from about 280g to 550g. Going from 1400 to 1600 lifts that to about 720g.
So the forces do increased drastically.


Post# 1016258 , Reply# 15   11/29/2018 at 20:06 by henene4 (Germany)        
Actually

Mieles current heat pump dryer lineup still features that same chart section on page 64:

www.miele.co.uk/forms2/uk...

So this an A+++ rated dryer (top energy label rating) with a rated 8kg (about 17.6lbs) capacity.



On a load spun at 1400rpm with 50% residual moisture, it uses 1.20kWh and takes 152 minutes.
At 1600rpm/44% that drops to 1.05kWh and 136min.

That is a saving of 16 minutes and 0.15kWh, or 11.5% time and 12.5% energy.


Post# 1016288 , Reply# 16   11/30/2018 at 04:27 by logixx (Germany)        

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After reading the manuals, I prefer the more classic interface of the Maytag. The Whirlpool must be a washer/dryer as it offers drying cycles via the LCD screen.

Post# 1016290 , Reply# 17   11/30/2018 at 05:13 by appnut (TX)        

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The Maytag has an overnight wash & dry cycle too. There appears to be a true combination, that's the WFC9820, a larger version of the 24" version that was released in August or September. The WFC9820 appears to have a tub size rating of 4.5 cu. ft. and the WFW9820 a tub size of 5.0 cu. ft.

Post# 1016295 , Reply# 18   11/30/2018 at 06:09 by henene4 (Germany)        
WFC WFW

W hirlpool
F rontload
W asher

W hirlpool
F rontload
C ombination

Here's a site already offering them:
www.appliancesconnection....

Including a user manual download:
static.appliancesconnection.com/a...


Post# 1016311 , Reply# 19   11/30/2018 at 10:52 by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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There’s something definitely odd about my Maxima washer at 1400rpm. On certain larger or heavy loads at 1400, it will sometimes hit a resonant frequency line where it’ll start vibrating all over and abort the spin.
Been doing this ever since almost 2yrs ago when there was an incident with a load of jeans.
Medium spin (approx 1000 rpm) no issues.

So 1200 is likely a good compromise for extracting and integrity.


Post# 1016326 , Reply# 20   11/30/2018 at 13:26 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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my second question with these higher spin speeds offered on any given machine....

is time frame....how long once it reaches top speed does it stay there for?

most final spins are 6 to 10 minutes, give or take....

I have seen ones climb to top speed and stay there for the entire spin time frame....and others hover around 700rmp or so, zip up to high speed for the last minute or two, and that's it...

you will boggle a salesman mind by asking that question....


Post# 1016333 , Reply# 21   11/30/2018 at 14:15 by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hey Yogi,

On my 1800rpm Miele, it seems to run at 1200rpm for 5 minutes and then ramps up to max speed for the last 2-3 minutes. The Miele’s have this as the default behavior on the 1400, 1600 and 1800 rpm machines that I’ve used.

Cheers

Nathan


Post# 1016452 , Reply# 22   12/1/2018 at 13:20 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Duets

I’m just a bit disappointed in the new machine spinning only at 1200 rpm. I can tell quite a difference in loads spun at 1400 versus 1200 rpm. My Duet vibrates all over at around 900-1000 rpm but smoothes right out once it ramps up to 1200. It is true however that this new machine will extract close to the old machines 1400 rpm spin of the tub is wider in diameter as we suspect. It appears that the colors cycle would be my to go to. However, I do wish that Whirlpool would incorporate the soak option into the wash cycle instead of draining after the soak is completed and draining all the detergent away. A prewar option would be much preferred anyways.

Post# 1016466 , Reply# 23   12/1/2018 at 16:50 by logixx (Germany)        

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The Maytags do a cold prewash if the cycle selector is pressed (activating the Extra Power option).

Post# 1016627 , Reply# 24   12/3/2018 at 06:15 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
My 2005

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duet only spins at max 1000 RPM.......so for me 1200 would be an upgrade and I could still live with it.

I'm a bit confused.....are the new Duets going to have an onboard heater? I skimmed through the cycles on one of those manuals and saw a santize with Oxi cycle which usually = no heater.


Post# 1016648 , Reply# 25   12/3/2018 at 09:00 by appnut (TX)        

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Yes to heater. That maual says "with Oxi" on some models". Low end. Manuals are very generic for all models.

Post# 1016730 , Reply# 26   12/3/2018 at 21:09 by tomdawg (Des moines)        
New Whirlpool Picture

Found a new picture, new to me anyways... looks like recirculation but could be just a fill nozzle.
looks like whirlpool went away with the side direct inject water spout. what do you all think?

aem.whirlpool.com/wdl/en/assets/...


Post# 1016731 , Reply# 27   12/3/2018 at 21:13 by appnut (TX)        

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Fill nozzle most likely, adding laundry aides to the wash load.

Post# 1016761 , Reply# 28   12/4/2018 at 08:00 by henene4 (Germany)        
I think it's the recirc

Whirlpool uses a similar shape of nozzle on their EU machines with recirculation, if it would be fill it probably wouldn't sit dead top center.

Post# 1016863 , Reply# 29   12/5/2018 at 01:29 by logixx (Germany)        

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Nothing about recirculation here. At least the pump filter is accessible again.

video.whirlpoolcorpsalesacademy....


Post# 1017180 , Reply# 30   12/7/2018 at 09:02 by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I can confirm the addition of recirculation.

Post# 1017181 , Reply# 31   12/7/2018 at 09:45 by chetlaham (United States)        

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What advantage does recirculation offer? Just wondering.

Post# 1017209 , Reply# 32   12/7/2018 at 13:42 by henene4 (Germany)        

Quicker wetting of bigger loads or bigger items, better washing and rinsing results at same or lower usage.

Post# 1017211 , Reply# 33   12/7/2018 at 13:46 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Makes sense, thanks :)

Post# 1017263 , Reply# 34   12/7/2018 at 18:53 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Recirculation

Will it be available on all models or only some? Is there an easy way to figure out which models have it?

Post# 1017301 , Reply# 35   12/8/2018 at 05:54 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Let's go to the video tape

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Older AEG Lavamat without recirculation:





Newer (88840) with recirculation:






Notice how much faster initially wash load is saturated using the recirculation than without. Also helps (IMHO)mix chemicals with water and get them distributed quickly as well.

For the rinses you can see as well the "showering" from recirculation achieves good action despite machine using less water than preceding models.


Post# 1017858 , Reply# 36   12/13/2018 at 11:50 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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The faster saturation is not only caused by te recirculation system but also because the mini Lavamat doesn't tumble during the fill. My Siemens doesn't have a recirculation system but tumbles during the fill and that makes a huge difference in comparison to machines that don't tumble.

Post# 1017946 , Reply# 37   12/14/2018 at 02:00 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I think Louis is spot on. My old Miele also tumbles continuously while filling, saturating a huge load of terry cotton in less than 3 minutes.
Using paddles that act as ladles are petty much standard since late 1980s and it helps a lot in quick saturation when programming is right.
Furthermore there is practically no chance of contamination with foul water.


Post# 1017952 , Reply# 38   12/14/2018 at 03:55 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miele's tumbling during fill

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Must have come along after my W1070 because it decidedly does no such thing. Will pause and top off when senses water level has dropped however. Otherwise machine has a static fill and only begins tumbling once water level is satisfied.

On the final "starch" rinse if the half-load button is depressed filling stops at about five gallons. However until timer advances the washer just sits there doing nothing. Isn't a long period, about less than one half minute IIRC.


Post# 1017960 , Reply# 39   12/14/2018 at 07:03 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

"Furthermore there is practically no chance of contamination with foul water."


What does this mean, please?

 

Thank you.


Post# 1017965 , Reply# 40   12/14/2018 at 08:43 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Means if you don`t use your washer on a very regular basis chances are high that the water sitting in the pump will turn into a toxic mess. As soon as recirculation goes on it`s dumped onto your clothes.



Post# 1017988 , Reply# 41   12/14/2018 at 10:17 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Thank you.  Gross. I hate to think what's down in the pump of a colleague's washer who told me she had to stop using pods because they did not completely dissolve in cold water. This was as she was telling me about her son's stinky athletic gear and how the only way she can get the stench out is to add baking soda to the wash water.


Post# 1018023 , Reply# 42   12/14/2018 at 17:02 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

My 1986 Miele washer also tumbles through the entire fill. This is true for every rinse, but not during the fill for the wash. For the wash, it does an initial fill, tumbles a bit and then will pause to fill again. It might repeat this one or two more times until the required amount of water is taken.

Post# 1018061 , Reply# 43   12/14/2018 at 20:48 by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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My Whirlpool built HE3t fills via an opening near the top left of the door, directing the water into the center of the tumbling load. The load is saturated before the proper water level is achieved, so I assumed circulation had other benefits.

Post# 1018332 , Reply# 44   12/17/2018 at 18:51 by appnut (TX)        
Now on the WP web site

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The WFW8620, WFW6620, and WFW5620 (and companion dryers) are now there. The WFW9620 and the WFC9820 All-in-one aren't there yet, but you can download the manuals for them.

Post# 1018384 , Reply# 45   12/18/2018 at 00:39 by henene4 (Germany)        
New details

So, their have been revelations and proofs.

So, while the Maytag and Whirlpool machines appear to have the same internals, they do have different UI layouts.

So let's start with some overviews.
These two searches list the new models currently findable on the web for both Maytag and Whirpool on applianceconnection.com.
As far as I have the overview each model has its manual listed on the product site.

Maytag:
www.appliancesconnection....

Whirlpool:
www.appliancesconnection.com/whi...



First on the UIs:

Whirlpool uses the What to wash / How to wash logic from the TLs. They do have a presoak option that apparently dosen't drain after the soak. The "Steam" option appears to have the function of a heater engagement during the wash.

Maytag offers the same "Steam" option, but uses the usual cycle dial.
Pressing the cycle dial will run the "Extra Power" option. Opposed to the Whirlpool, that is a cold prewash that uses the bleach compartment in the drawer as a prewash compartment then.

However both offer a "Colors" cycle which seems like the "Normal" cycle without usage limitation.



Now onto the models that a shared and sold under both brands. I was abled to find out that these models share a lot of part numbers, so they are for the most part the same machines under the hood with slight differences:

The 56xx are the lowest end models I was abled to find.
Both the Maytag and the Whirlpool offer a 4.5cuft capacity there.
While the Whirlpool offers a small 1l Load&Go container, the Maytag has the better warranty.
The Whirlpool lacks any post-wash tumble feature as well, while the Maytag features the FreshSpin option (12h tumbles without fan).
Both are "closet depth" with less than 32" depth.
I found the parts manual for the Whirlpool version:
aem.whirlpool.com/wdl/en/assets/...
I had a look at the Maytag equivalent but can't find the link anymore.
Anyway the both share the same pump unit and heater according to parts numbers and the water system drawing clearly shows recirculation on this verry basic model already.

The next model up is the 66xx series.
The Whirlpool now has a bigger Load&GoXL dispenser that holds up to 2 liters of detergent.
The Maytag has a slightly bigger drum now at 4.8cuft and a 16h FreshHold option (uses a fan). It also has 2 cycles more, one of them being the colors cycle.
While the Whirlpool is still less than 32", the maytag is now about an inch deeper.
That was also the last parts manual I was abled to find:
aem.whirlpool.com/wdl/en/assets/...
Still, heater and recirculation.

Thus I assumed all higher up models will have a heater and recirculation as well.

Next in line is the 86xx series.
Both models are 5.0cuft now with about 33" depth.
Here, Whirlpool adds the Overnight Wash&Dry. This is a fan assisted system that supposedly also uses heat in some way, but claims to take about 6h 15min to wash and dry an 8lbs load. It also claims Nest Smart Thermostat integration, but no WiFi connectivity. The energylabel also says it uses over 700kWh per year compared to its smaller brother and the troubleshooting guides for the drying function do not mention any water connection, so I suppose it is basicly a washer dryer that vents the moisture into the room I guess. Also, a drum light.
The Maytag adds its first automatic dosing system here, but that is integrated in the drawer and only holds less then half a liter. It adds full WiFi connectivity and a 24h FreshHold option. The energy label here lists only 140kWh per annum, so no real drying capability, only overnight wash and dry for 2-4 synthetic items, not a quarter drum like the Whirlpool. Also, again, more cycles.

And as I said, I suppose both have recirc and a heater.



Now onto the models Whirlpool has to offer additionaly.

They do offer 2 smaller "closet depth" machines as well, the WFW560CHW and WFW862CHC.
The last number was exchanged for "C" as in "Closet"
Both have 4.3cuft capacity but still are 32" deep.
The lower end one does not have an heater apparently as it lacks a true Sanitize cycle (only Sanitize with Oxi) and the steam option. No further options either, but still the same cycle setup otherwise.
The higher end one is the same as the WP WFW8620 except for the Nest integration thing and that it "only" uses 430kWh per year due to the smaller load size for wash and dry.

And, as the TOL crown, Whirlpool offers a WFW9620 model, a fully fledged 33.25" deep complete washer dryer combo, with 5cuft drum, AutoDry, water cooled condensing system, seperatly selectable drying functions as a result, 2 Load&Go tanks (one large one for detergent and one small one for either detergent or softner), a touch screen and full WiFi connectivity.
It is still 120V and has a companion dryer, both avaible in gas and electric.
Drying times appear to be beyond the 4h range for a good load, the label cycle uses a 6h timed drying function.
Idea appears to be to basicly use it as a washer only during the day and for the night to use the wash and dry funtions.


Post# 1018385 , Reply# 46   12/18/2018 at 00:46 by henene4 (Germany)        
Oh and I forgot

www.appliancesconnection....

The WFC9820, appears to be a smimmilar beats to the WFW9620, except that it is a closet depth version at below 32" with only a 4.5cuft drum and thus slightly lower usage, but otherwise pretty much the same as far as I can tell.


Post# 1018450 , Reply# 47   12/18/2018 at 18:03 by appnut (TX)        

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It appears the WFC9820 doesn't have steam for stains capability (the 24" combo announced last august/September doesn't have steam apparently either) compared to the WFW9620 does steam for stains.

Post# 1018492 , Reply# 48   12/19/2018 at 10:23 by logixx (Germany)        

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It probably lacks the Steam option because it has no heater (there's only a Sani with Oxi cycle mode).

Post# 1018508 , Reply# 49   12/19/2018 at 13:57 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Interesting how heaters have been marketed to Americans by Whirlpool as "Steam."  As if heating and maintaining water temps isn't a feature they would care about or pay for by itself. 

 

I take it these machines must have some sort of small steam generator in addition to heating water?


Post# 1018524 , Reply# 50   12/19/2018 at 17:03 by appnut (TX)        

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Jim, I have no idea how these will execute heat/steam functions. On my 2011 Duet, the heater is automatically energized once fill has been satisfied and user has selected warm, hot or Sanitize temps for Bulky Items, Whites, Heavy Duty, Allergen, Sheets/Linens, and Kids Wear cycles. And each of these cycles will also adjust wash/heating time based upon soil and load size/weight. On Normal/Casual, the only way I will get heated water is if I select the Steam for Stains option. And because it's the Energy Star cycle, it will heat hot water at about 120 degrees at the most, warm is also dumbed down even with steam. Otherwise when steam for stains is selected, the sequence is as follows. Machine washes/heats laundry for a certain amount of time, varies. Then it drains, does a slow balance spin, and then adds a bit of water. the load begins tumbling back & forth again and the heater is engaged again to generate steam. And that steam rises up from the bottom of the tub and can be anywhere from 15 to 22 minutes. then cools the load down, drains, and begins spin and rinse sequences. I find it to be extremely effective dealing with very heavily soiled fabrics with food stains (napkins, kitchen cleaning cloths, ..) I have no complaints at all. It does what it was designed to do very well.

I personally am of the opinion steam was a "feature" created to be more efficient in reaching much higher water/tub temperatures vs. heating larger amounts of water during the wash.


Post# 1018562 , Reply# 51   12/19/2018 at 21:33 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Bob, thanks for the detail on the steam operation, I had no idea how it worked. 

 

On my old school Neptune there is just a toggle button for the heater (on or off.)  When on it will maintain cold at 65, warm at 105 and hot at 130 regardless of cycle or any other options.

 

The energy star testing of the "normal" cycle has made things confusing for sure.


Post# 1018575 , Reply# 52   12/19/2018 at 23:53 by appnut (TX)        
energy star testing of the "normal" cycle has made t

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Jim, let me throw and wrinkle and a monkey wrench in this whole thought process. Whirlpool and brandmate Maytag on their dryers that are Energy Star rated, the "Normal" cycle defaults to an eco option cycle with dry temperature reduced and add MANY minutes to the cycle, but is purported to offer significant energy savings. The user can cancel that eco option for the Normal cycle to operate as one would expect. I noticed on the new Maytag TOL MED8630 dryer, it has a "Regular" cycle as well as a "Normal" cycle. The "Normal" cycle is the energy star rated cycle with lowered temperature and Regular dries at regular heat level.

Post# 1020033 , Reply# 53   1/3/2019 at 21:14 by tomdawg (Des moines)        
I saw a new whirlpool and maytag in person

I saw the new whirlpool and maytag front load line up. very similar to the inside of the last generation, few tweaks. not much has changed other than the outer appreance.

Post# 1020150 , Reply# 54   1/4/2019 at 23:02 by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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I saw a couple machines on display at Lowe’s. I only had a couple minutes to look, but the weirdest thing is the interior door glass. It’s completely scooped out, I suppose to give the interior more volume. This model (WFW5600HW), without an outer door window cover, just looks odd.

The paddles are different than the previous version, and the dispenser drawer doesn’t empty into the inner tub. I saw the little reconciliation sprayer practically hidden at the top of the door boot. The back of the drum has a different pattern of holes. It really seems to bulge into the tub in the middle. Not sure if it is more so than the last version, but looks like an oversized fruit juicer.

I’ll try to get more pics soon.


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Post# 1020152 , Reply# 55   1/5/2019 at 00:21 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Don't like the "Pull here" drawer at the base of the machine----OH MY ACHING BACK"What a POOR design.They forget some folks have back problems.This is not practical.CHANGE IT!!!!!for you at WP.Otherwise could be a nice machine.

Post# 1020156 , Reply# 56   1/5/2019 at 00:50 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Ditto that Rex.  Our electronic med dispensing machines have drawers all the way down on the floor too and I hate having to bend all the way down to pull out a pill or two.  It's a long way down there for me.  I'm only 6ft, but I'm all legs, so it's a long reach for someone who has never ever been able to touch my toes!


Post# 1020168 , Reply# 57   1/5/2019 at 06:09 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Same for me--its getting HARDER to reach down there!!!The drawer should be placed at the TOP of the machine-and these FL washers need to be made into TALLER cabinets to get the load opening further from the floor.That washer was designed by and for lepricons!

Post# 1020171 , Reply# 58   1/5/2019 at 07:27 by appnut (TX)        

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I can see your point with it being so low however that is where the pump clean out Port area is and how different is that in competitors such as LG and others where their pump clean-out area is? You can also get the optional pedestal to bring it 15 in higher up off the floor.

Post# 1020189 , Reply# 59   1/5/2019 at 10:37 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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kind of resemble this model but under the canadien name inglis

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Post# 1020190 , Reply# 60   1/5/2019 at 10:40 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Oh my Gd

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That weirdly shaped round door - I'm not sure I'm loving that.

Post# 1020197 , Reply# 61   1/5/2019 at 11:45 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

Anyone know if the inner door is plastic or glass on the new models? Sometime in 2018, WP switched to plastic inner doors on their previous models. Just seemed really cheap to me and I'd think it would get all scratched up.

Post# 1020206 , Reply# 62   1/5/2019 at 13:39 by appnut (TX)        

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Please note, the model Joe showed and has been discussed, is the BOL in the new series.  What Pierre showed was the absolute BOL, WFW560 and Joe's is the WFW5620, which adds steam and bulk dispenser (part of the reason for the pull drawer).  


Post# 1020545 , Reply# 63   1/8/2019 at 11:11 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Funny Press Release

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I guess just being told to do it isn't good enough anymore!

 

whirlpoolcorp.com/laundry-in-few...

 

Coming in 2019, Smart Laundry Capabilities with the Whirlpool® app: When enjoying time with family, control the Whirlpool® Smart Front Load Laundry Pair through a smartphone with the enhanced connection features from the Whirlpool app. Connected capabilities include:

  • Dryer Recommendation: Get the right kind of dry for your load. The Whirlpool® app will suggest the dry cycle that matches the wash cycle.‡
  • Task Manager: Manage laundry day from anywhere. The Whirlpool® app will allow users to assign family members tasks like transferring a load to the dryer, which they’ll receive a notification about on their smart mobile devices.
  • Stain Guide: Get an extra hand with select stains. Tell the Stain Guide what was spilled on various fabric types for easy-to-follow recommendations and a suggested wash cycle.
  • Amazon Dash Replenishment: Automatically reorder laundry supplies such as detergent from Amazon when running low so families can replenish before supplies ever run out.

Post# 1020740 , Reply# 64   1/10/2019 at 15:47 by Eronie (Flushing Michigan)        

Omg does anyone really need this?

Post# 1020745 , Reply# 65   1/10/2019 at 17:00 by henene4 (Germany)        
Connected family

Isn't the stereotype that my generation and younger spend all the time on their smartphones and that that is oh so horrible?

That makes use of that.

Leaving a note has no read-confirmation, does it?


Post# 1021048 , Reply# 66   1/13/2019 at 16:18 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Very disappointing!

A pair of the new 2019 Whirlpool's were on display at Lowe's. I am disgusted at their build quality. The window of both the washer and dryer are PLASTIC!! The inner latch feels really cheap and like it's going to break right away. The door along the bottom of the washer where the load and go and pump cleanout is is also made of flimsy plastic. These are super cheaply-built, throw away appliances that are NOT built to last more than a few years.

Super disappointing this is the quality an American company puts out. I'd love to "buy American" but these are absolute junk.


Post# 1021063 , Reply# 67   1/13/2019 at 18:20 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
Opposition to Plastic

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My personal opposition to plastic has softened over the years.

 

When I took my 2010 Whirlpool dishwasher out of its box I was kind of appalled.  Not only about how light it was, but that it seemed the only metal part was the spray arm on the bottom of the tub (because that was a part the end-users would see!)

 

I'm exaggerating of course, but my point is that it's been a reliable machine despite being a featherweight and mostly plastic.


Post# 1021104 , Reply# 68   1/14/2019 at 00:58 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I wonder if the Maytag versions have a better build quality than the Whirlpool versions? I can say that my Maytag dishwasher from 2014 has a better build quality than my Whirlpool dishwasher from 2005 that died a few years ago.

Post# 1021113 , Reply# 69   1/14/2019 at 06:33 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Plastic Dryer Window

What was most shocking was the plastic dryer window. I can't imagine that lasting or looking good for very long.

Post# 1021138 , Reply# 70   1/14/2019 at 10:11 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Greg, David;

David, My 2010 Maytag Bravos 7.4 cu. ft. dryer has a plastic window. It's fine.
Greg, would those medical dispensing machines be Omni Cell, Pyxis, or Wavemark?


Post# 1021218 , Reply# 71   1/14/2019 at 22:23 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Thanks Mike...

But I can't see myself buying one of these.

Of the mass produced machines, LG appears to have the best build quality.


Post# 1022638 , Reply# 72   1/27/2019 at 05:57 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I wonder

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how long it will be before we can see one of these working on YouTube?

Post# 1022649 , Reply# 73   1/27/2019 at 09:17 by logixx (Germany)        

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Who knows if this is the actual spray or not... but you can see some drizzle action in this video.

video.whirlpoolcorpsalesacademy....


Post# 1023152 , Reply# 74   1/31/2019 at 10:04 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I like the look of

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the maytags so much better. But unfortunately, I guess they decided to put a coin trap on the WP but not the Maytags??

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Post# 1023173 , Reply# 75   1/31/2019 at 13:00 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
my toughs

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in my personnel opinion I think in this point in time if possible best to keep or old machines and have them repaired when possible

Post# 1023204 , Reply# 76   1/31/2019 at 17:35 by appnut (TX)        

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Well Mark, you assessment is correct.  And because of that, WP is my preference.  Appearance isn't that important to me, functionality and performance is.


Post# 1023225 , Reply# 77   1/31/2019 at 20:18 by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Here’s the Amana version, at my local Rona store ( Lowe’s Canada). Not a fan of the oversized round doors. Sideways, they look like giant toilet seats.

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Post# 1023256 , Reply# 78   2/1/2019 at 05:53 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
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Hey Mike, just read your question about the med machines.  At Vanderbilt we use Accudose.  Had Pyxis at my old job before they changed out to the Cerner Medstation.





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