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Thread Number: 77829
/ Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
Coil element temperature limiting |
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Post# 1018641 , Reply# 1 12/20/2018 at 18:22 (1,953 days old) by RP2813  (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1018644 , Reply# 2 12/20/2018 at 18:29 (1,953 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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This sure sounds like a very poor idea to me. What about gas burners? Are they going to also restrict the amount of gas flow to keep the flame smaller? And anyway, you would stll have an open flame that could ignite any spilled oil.
This is just entirely too much regulation. Are people so stupid now that they can’t be trusted with an electric burner capable of reaching the proper temperature for deep fat frying? And even a slower heating burner will eventually get hot enough to ignite oil if left unattended. I hope replacement burners that aren’t limited will still be available, because I’m hanging on to my BOL GE stove. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1018651 , Reply# 3 12/20/2018 at 18:56 (1,953 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 1018654 , Reply# 4 12/20/2018 at 19:09 (1,953 days old) by ken (NYS) | ||
 This was mentioned a couple weeks ago in a different thread. Cant remember who commented that the temperature limit of the burners were not low enough to cause a problem with normal cooking. I know in the case of GE they have resurrected the term Sensi-Temp and the limiting sensor is in the center of the coil. With that said would it be possible to replace the new style coils with those still available for older models? | ||
| Post# 1018655 , Reply# 5 12/20/2018 at 19:18 (1,953 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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JUNK! The coil units made today are cheap flimsy things anyway, certainly not the Radiantubes or Corox units of the 50s! | ||
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Post# 1018665 , Reply# 7 12/20/2018 at 20:14 (1,953 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re: Reply #6
Greg, look in the owners manual if you have it, or look online for your stoves model number’s manual. You should find the directions to adjust the oven control to make the oven temp heat 50 degrees higher. Then you won’t need to us an oven thermometer when you bake anymore. I’ve done this with both conventional dial oven controls and electronic controls and its pretty easy to do.
Eddie | ||
| Post# 1018670 , Reply# 9 12/20/2018 at 20:26 (1,953 days old) by deltablu (Eastern South Dakota) | ||
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Re: #2 We are being told that we will see some type of limiting capability coming to gas next year. | ||
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Post# 1018676 , Reply# 11 12/20/2018 at 21:26 (1,952 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Link? What link?? | ||
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Post# 1018679 , Reply# 13 12/20/2018 at 21:44 (1,952 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re: Reply #10
Greg, when you pull off the oven control knob, on the back of it are there 2 screws that you can loosen and move the inside of the knob either in a plus or minus direction? Thats the way my GE oven control can be adjusted. I looked on line for the only Amana 20” electric range manual I could find, and I didn’t see this info. But you could try going to the Amana website and see if maybe with the modle number you can find some more detailed info.
It sounds like you’ve found a way to adapt to this OK, but it would be nice if you could get it “just right”. I know you wouldn’t be a member here if this didn’t bother you. We here always want our appliances to function just the way they are supposed to. Good luck, I hope that this has helped. Another thought, you may be able to find a generic replacement knob that fits and would allow you to make this incremental adjustment to the back of the knob. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1018957 , Reply# 15 12/23/2018 at 23:48 (1,949 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 1019123 , Reply# 16 12/26/2018 at 10:10 (1,947 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I can't imagine the limiting thermostat ever altering time to boil water. The key with any electric surface element is having something to pull the generated heat out of the element, a pot of water will never get over 212F. They would never set the thermostat operating point under 450F or so. My hunch is that people are imagining things (or using an improper pot) if they think time to boil is increased.
If you want to see water boil slowly, use a typical residential gas range. Same applies for those that like kitchen fires which are increased by having an actual ignition source. | ||
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Post# 1019137 , Reply# 18 12/26/2018 at 14:29 (1,947 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Hmm, whenever have to replace my range, I guess I'll just have to pony up for a Thermador with the 15K or 18K BTU burners, or a Viking with the 23K BTU burners!
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Post# 1019145 , Reply# 20 12/26/2018 at 17:38 (1,947 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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It took 50 minutes to get 5 quarts of water to a boil? Will not buy a new coil top stove! | ||
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Post# 1019149 , Reply# 21 12/26/2018 at 19:13 (1,947 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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| Post# 1019151 , Reply# 22 12/26/2018 at 19:30 (1,947 days old) by deltablu (Eastern South Dakota) | ||
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We've got a business to run. Chances are low, but I don't want to run the risk of a manufacturer deciding that something on the internet that's negative about them is a good reason to pull a product line. I saw what happened with Lorain. | ||
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Post# 1019152 , Reply# 23 12/26/2018 at 19:31 (1,947 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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With those pathetic time to boil figures | ||
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Post# 1019157 , Reply# 24 12/26/2018 at 21:39 (1,946 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Surface element temperature limiting devices Hi Ken, the real question when you said it took an incredible 50 minutes to boil a pot of water is what kind of pan you were using ?
When using a coil type element to boil water on the high setting less than 10% of the element should turn red-hot [ none would be even better ]
It has always been true when using ANY type of electric surface element [ except induction ] you need an almost perfectly flat cooking pan that makes complete contact with the element.
Show us pictures of the actual test situation, I am sure that these new element limiters will not affect cooking times except in cases where people are using crappy cook-ware.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1019158 , Reply# 25 12/26/2018 at 22:08 (1,946 days old) by fan-of-fans (Florida) | ||
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Noticed this week we need a new controller or two on the 1985 Hotpoint we have. One burner will boil and boil like nobody's business, but won't simmer. I think even if the controller is $50, it's worth fixing. It seems better built than anything in stores. | ||
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Post# 1019189 , Reply# 28 12/27/2018 at 10:56 (1,946 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Uncontrolled Coil Elements
These type of elements are responsible for thousands of house fires every year, better control or temperature limiting are long overdue, this is why these type elements are generally not sold in Europe and many other places around the world.
Hi Ken as a fellow retailer it is our job to advise customers in the proper use of appliances for safety, economy, and long life. I have been this business for more than 45 years and you just have to advise users that they need proper cook ware, and tell users that the ELEMENT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO GET RED HOT WHEN USED ON HIGH, if it does they are not using the product properly and will get poor life out of the range, it will not perform as intended and it DANGEROUS to them and their home and family. John L. | ||
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Post# 1019199 , Reply# 30 12/27/2018 at 11:46 (1,946 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Coincidentally,
yesterday, while I was waiting for my Allergy Shots, one of the other patients waiting was relating her story of how she burnt her kitchen up last week.
Apparently, she was making Tortilla Chips, and she left the pan of oil on her electric stove and went into the other room to watch TV! The next thing she knew her dog was barking and waking her up. The smoke alarm was sounding, but it was the dog that woke her! She said the house was filled with smoke and her electric stove was toast and the kitchen cabinets damaged. I would guess that she was between 70 to 75 years old, certainly old enough to know that you NEVER leave a pan of oil or grease unattended on a live stove burner. She still didn’t seem to grasp this point, even after the near miss with death she just experienced! We live in a 20 unit townhouse HOA, three buildings, two of them have 6 attached units, our building has 8 attached units. On Academy Awards night in 1997 one of the residents in the first building did this same thing while making french fries, left the oil unattended and the fire destroyed the entire downstairs of his unit, he luckily escaped death. But since he already had COPD, his lungs were severly damaged. The brain dead negligence of many people sends chills up my spine. So while I’m not crazy about this new safety regulation, perhaps in light of how nonchalant some people are about safety personally, this may be a good idea that will save countless lives. BTW, don’t flat top electric stoves already have these kinds of limit switches on the burners? I’ve owned two of them in the past and I noticed that the burners would cycle on and off on high while boiling a large pot of water, but even so they were only maybe two mins slower than a coil top in getting 6 to 8 quarts of water to a rolling boil. Eddie | ||
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