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Thread Number: 77966
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
Last big purchase of 2018 - a new dishwasher |
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Post# 1019793 1/2/2019 at 08:27 (2,274 days old) by RevvinKevin  (La-La Land) |
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My 18 year old Kitchenaid has worked well for many years and I really liked it. But a few years ago the heating element stopped heating and having no filter, it would often leave "yibbles" on items placed in each corner of the upper rack OR in those corners of the cabinet.
A few days ago we stopped into the Sears outlet for no particular reason and walked through everything in the store "just because". As I looked through all the DW's there, I saw this pretty TOL looking Bosch I liked. After going home, thinking about it and checking some reviews, I went back the next morning with my truck to bring it home. I installed it New Years Eve and ran the first load yesterday.
It's an 800 series in "black stainless" with top controls and 3 racks, the upper most for utensils
I ran the "auto" cycle (2h 9m) and I have to say my glasses really seemed to sparkle more than when washed in the KA!
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| Post# 1019799 , Reply# 1 1/2/2019 at 09:21 (2,274 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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We have the 500 series, love the quiet. Here in San Diego using Finish is a must, otherwise mineral deposits cloud the glasses badly. I use a 1 hour cycle (30 mins Express + 30 mins Extra Shine) most of the time, or just Express alone. Mine is about 5 years old and doesn’t have the 1 hour option, I can see why they added it. | ||
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Post# 1019814 , Reply# 2 1/2/2019 at 11:10 (2,274 days old) by RevvinKevin (La-La Land) |
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Whisper quiet! I'm amazed just how quiet this thing is! You can be standing directly in front of it, having a normal conversation while it's running and barely hear it! Printed right on the panel shows: 42 db. Wow. I've opened the door a couple times while it's running and it looks like both spray arms are spraying at the same time, unlike some other brands that alternate the lower spray arm, then the upper, etc. I really like that is has a filter too, the KA didn't! | ||
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Post# 1019818 , Reply# 4 1/2/2019 at 13:59 (2,274 days old) by RevvinKevin (La-La Land) |
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45% off! As I mentioned I bought this at the Sears Outlet and the best part is it was marked down 45%! I probably wouldn't have bought it w/o the discount. Of course the very small dent really shows in the photo, but I hardly notice it. Yes as Leon mentioned there's a red light that shines on the floor as it's running, very cool and necessary, being it's SO quiet. I will have to try all the cycles and see what works best for our needs. I don't pre-wash but I do lightly rinse. I'm curious if the 1 hr cycle will do the job got me. I will usually start it as I leave for work or just before going to bed, but with this on being SO quiet, I suppose it doesn't matter when I run it! | ||
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Post# 1019821 , Reply# 5 1/2/2019 at 14:37 (2,274 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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 Kevin and Leon, you know the three of us are going to face the AW tribunal for singing the praises of modern dishwashers, but what has been stated above is 100% correct. As much as I wanted to enjoy my vintage dishwashers (a KDI-21, the infamous Thundering Thermador -- admittedly a poor performer, an ISE Classic Supreme), they all fell short when it came to glassware, and the requirement for phosphates was inconvenient.
I got my Miele from the ReStore and have never looked back. It's the best performing dishwasher I've ever owned and it's entirely civilized in its quiet operation. The only thing I had to get used to was stooping lower to load the bottom rack due to the tall tub design. My machine even has the water softening system, but I don't bother to use it. The door pops open at the end of the cycle to help with drying, which is very effective.
Modern dishwashers may take longer to do their jobs, but they're much more thorough and the results are absolutely worth the wait. The only thing I can't do with my Miele is give it a seriously stacked and packed Bob-Load for the sport of it. The spray isn't strong enough to reach through the layers like it does on an old-school machine. That's a small price to pay, and I can still pack it full with a few things wedged in here or perched there, so I'm fine with that small compromise.
Congratulations Kevin! Enjoy your new Bosch/souvenir of the (likely soon to be) late great Sears! | ||
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Post# 1019826 , Reply# 6 1/2/2019 at 15:37 (2,274 days old) by spiralator60 (Los Angeles) |
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Question Kevin, Congratulations! Does this model have a water softening system, specifically a salt reservoir? | ||
| Post# 1019844 , Reply# 9 1/2/2019 at 17:22 (2,274 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
Congratulations on the discounted Bosch! | ||
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Post# 1019886 , Reply# 10 1/2/2019 at 21:07 (2,274 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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That's a really great machine, Kevin, you should be happy with that for a long time.
My mother moved from her house to an apartment 18 months ago and we replaced the BOL Whirlpool plastic-tub horror show with a TOL Bosch bought from some friends that remodeled with the newer black-stainless design. They had the Bosch for about a year and stored it for another year before I snagged it for mom, so it's about 4 years old now. Hers has a built-in water softener that really makes a huge difference in our hard water town. You can see the water system on the left side of the tank and her fancy-schmancy display on the floor that tells remaining cycle time and current action. This is her second Bosch, is nearly silent and cleans amazingly well. I saw a Thermador version of this same unit at the Mart a this summer for $425 and it was all I could do to tear myself away from it. | ||
| Post# 1019918 , Reply# 11 1/2/2019 at 23:35 (2,273 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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Post# 1019923 , Reply# 12 1/3/2019 at 02:17 (2,273 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1019988 , Reply# 13 1/3/2019 at 14:02 (2,273 days old) by revvinkevin (La-La Land) |
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Too funny Ralph, but also so true, LOL.
Darryl: no this one does not have the water softening system. Mark (Markymark) is here visiting and was saying the models built for the US market do not have the integrated water softener.
Greg: Thank you! Also, the one you bought for your mom is truly a TOL model and that floor display is awesome!
Rich: So far that top silverware rack is nice and I like the idea of it. It does take a little more time to load, but I'm OK with that. I noticed the other racks have less height available due to this extra rack. I can still get my large cutting board in the bottom rack, but it's not as easy as it was in the KA.
Mark & I were chatting about detergent and showed him this is what I use. He looked it up to confirm, but said this one from Costco is top rated by Consumer Reports (for what it's worth). I've had good results with it and expect better results with this new Bosch.
I am looking forward to running more loads of dishes to see how it does!
Kevin
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Post# 1019992 , Reply# 14 1/3/2019 at 16:13 (2,273 days old) by revvinkevin (La-La Land) |
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Post# 1020005 , Reply# 15 1/3/2019 at 17:28 (2,273 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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The Speed 60 should not, all others are sensor reading dependent. | ||
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Post# 1020019 , Reply# 16 1/3/2019 at 18:41 (2,273 days old) by revvinkevin (La-La Land) |
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| Post# 1020130 , Reply# 21 1/4/2019 at 17:49 (2,272 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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Condensing Dry System Plastic items are the only things that didn't come out thoroughly dry in my Bosch dishwasher. I've seen some people who complain a lot about that, but it was never a problem for me since I didn't wash a lot of plastic items. Still, you can't beat a Bosch for it's cleaning ability and quietness. And I think the machines at the lower price point use the same wash system as the more expensive lines. They're just not as feature rich or quiet. | ||
| Post# 1020131 , Reply# 22 1/4/2019 at 17:52 (2,272 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver) | ||
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| Post# 1020157 , Reply# 24 1/5/2019 at 01:01 (2,271 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) | ||
There is no need to add detergent for the prewash. When I got my Bosch...which I have had nearly 14 years...it seemed weird not adding any detergent for the prewash. But after a week or two of clean dishes you won’t even think about it anymore!
As previously mentioned, the “prewash” water may be used for the main wash. Sometimes I would be surprised that it didn’t do a water change before going into the main wash, but I have learned to trust its sensors. | ||
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Post# 1020195 , Reply# 26 1/5/2019 at 11:13 (2,271 days old) by labboy (SD, CA) |
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Love our Bosch | ||
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Post# 1020292 , Reply# 27 1/6/2019 at 04:10 (2,270 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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| Post# 1020709 , Reply# 29 1/10/2019 at 01:10 (2,266 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia) | ||
Miele & Siemens (Bosch equivalent) 
RevvinKevin - I reckon we’re onto a winner! :)
Henene4 - I’ve noticed extra whirring/clicking/fiddling as you state with the “sensing” interesting indeed and quite a delay once one has presses start which is silent so thanks for answering that!- also noticed an “air blowing” sound which continues when opening the door mid wash cycles - is that that the Zeolith system “revving up”?? I still need to check how I can see water consumption after a cycle - need to play with it more. So have spent the last 3 months without a dishwasher due to renovations and new kitchen extension (nightmare!!). Have elected to pair up my Miele G6512SC with a TOL Siemens IQ700 (basically TOL Bosch but I preferred I it’s slightly “cleaner look” - I’m not sure which US Bosch this equates to ) either side of the sink and raised both circa 20cm’s which has made for much comfier access, have been keen on this for years. Attached are some pics of the computer generated image and then work in progress (sorry for the messy pics!) . Was planning to pair up with another Miele (and almost a Fisher & Paykel Dishdrawer) but as per above comments just could not ignore the Siemens with it’s versatile baskets, tall item spray-head for tall oven trays/racks, Zeolith drying (which seems to work a treat ), quiet operation and sofar gleaming results with general everyday loads - have yet to test it with proper baked on dinner party aftermath....looking forward to it though ;) . I may, in time, upgrade the Miele to the new G7000 auto-dosing series when released but for now still v v happy with Miele however I will be performance testing them against each other ;) Best of both worlds hopefully :) | ||
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Post# 1020721 , Reply# 30 1/10/2019 at 06:57 (2,266 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Air blowing | ||
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Post# 1020722 , Reply# 31 1/10/2019 at 06:59 (2,266 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1020724 , Reply# 32 1/10/2019 at 07:27 (2,266 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia) | ||
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Siemens - sound | ||
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Post# 1020732 , Reply# 33 1/10/2019 at 11:51 (2,266 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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See... this is what I get for half-reading comments during my lunch break.
Okay, the sound you hear is with the door open. Yes, that can indeed be the Zeolite fan going. I once opened a higer-end Bosch with Zeolite during the prewash and was surprised to find the Zeolite fan continuing to run with the door open. | ||
| Post# 1020746 , Reply# 34 1/10/2019 at 17:01 (2,266 days old) by suds (Brisbane, Australia) | ||
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Thx :) | ||
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Post# 1020747 , Reply# 35 1/10/2019 at 17:04 (2,266 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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The Zeolith mineral is dried by a seperate heater in the Zeolith compartment during the cycle. When how with which parameters I don't know, but it would make sense that it's running all the time with the Zeolith heater on during all the wash operations and then just turns off once drying. | ||
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Post# 1020748 , Reply# 36 1/10/2019 at 17:15 (2,266 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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