Thread Number: 78130
/ Tag: Vintage Dryers
From Red Lion, PA. to Brooklyn, NY. A 1972 Maytag DE806 |
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Post# 1021541   1/17/2019 at 23:08 (2,193 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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A rebuilding of previous threads, "From the Cellar to the 19th Floor: The Maytag's New Home P1" and "1972 A806 and a DE806 Rescued. Part Two." The washer and dryer threads have been separated. From Red Lion, PA. to Brooklyn, NY. A 1972 Maytag A806 and From Red Lion, PA. to Brooklyn, NY. A 1972 Maytag DE806 respectively. Once again, many thanks to our webmaster Robert for his assistance. |
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Post# 1021542 , Reply# 1   1/17/2019 at 23:12 (2,193 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Formally "From the Cellar to the 19th Floor: The Maytag's New Home P1"
Finally, my dream set!
The Maytag's were in the basement of an old Victorian house in Red Lion, PA. The house had been closed up for decades and was dilapidated. The guy who had just bought it believes the machines had not been touched since the house was closed up. After a complete going through, these will ultimately become my daily drivers.
Original thread: A Maytag A-806 an a DE-806 Matched Set! |
Post# 1021544 , Reply# 2   1/17/2019 at 23:15 (2,193 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1021546 , Reply# 3   1/17/2019 at 23:34 (2,193 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1021589 , Reply# 4   1/18/2019 at 12:31 (2,192 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1021596 , Reply# 10   1/18/2019 at 13:24 (2,192 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )   |   | |
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I see the teardown & transformation has begun! I have full confidence in you Ultramatic/Louis, and I can't wait to see when you're all done with this dryer! You make the lil portables you've refurbished, look brand spanking new, I know this full size Maytag is going to turn out AMAZING!
:o) On this side of the computer screen cheering for you... ;o) |
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Post# 1021615 , Reply# 15   1/18/2019 at 16:31 (2,192 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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The DE806 has been working flawlessly for a few months now. It is still running on 115V for the time being. It takes about 2 cycles for clothes to be completely dry of course, but still it can run circles around my old Whirlpool convertible dryer. And that end of cycle bell! Loud! And I love it! I will be posting updated images soon with some obligatory evening shots. Most of all, I'd like to thank all those who gave me encouragement and advice for this undertaking! |
Post# 1021630 , Reply# 16   1/18/2019 at 20:00 (2,192 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )   |   | |
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Post# 1045467 , Reply# 17   9/20/2019 at 00:47 (1,948 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Something odd. When I originally started using the dryer, it usually would take a few cycles (Permanent Press or Regular) to get the clothes completely dry because it was running on 115V. It's still on 115V but now it does not go off until the clothes are completely dry. I no longer have to reset the dryer very 12 minutes or so. Nothing has changed. Was/is there an issue with the moisture sensors? |
Post# 1045488 , Reply# 18   9/20/2019 at 10:26 (1,947 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Not entirely sure what it is, but when I first got my Maytag DG810 dryer that goes with my A810 Maytag washer, I had no direct gas hook up for it so I just decided to air dry a load of sheets, and believe it or not they were completely dry when I got them out. My DG810 uses a similar moisture sensor system like the HOH dryers but it just has the one sensor, and seems to work well with larger loads for some reason.
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Post# 1045492 , Reply# 19   9/20/2019 at 11:50 (1,947 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)   |   | |
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>> I no longer have to reset the dryer very 12 minutes or so. Nothing has changed. >> Was/is there an issue with the moisture sensors? Sounds suspiciously like there had been a problem, which has now fixed itself. As part of the electronic control diagnostics, Maytag's service literature states that the dryer should turn off in approximately 9-12 minutes with the yellow wire disconnected (ie: disconnecting the circuit of the slip ring & baffles). So if your dryer was turning off in ~12 minutes each time, instead of when the clothes were dry, it sounds like you had an open circuit somewhere in the baffle circuit. It's good that you're finally seeing how well the dryer can work, but if it were mine and a loose connection was suspected, I'd take both the top cover and the back panel off, and check that all of the wiring connectors are firmly seated, just to be safe! You might also inspect the brush on the slip ring. |
Post# 1045495 , Reply# 20   9/20/2019 at 12:03 (1,947 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1045677 , Reply# 21   9/22/2019 at 19:25 (1,945 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Louis, glad it is working properly now, I would leave it alone, it is likely that the sensor circuit brush and slip-ring was not making a good connection and broke-in after a lot of running time, you are not likely to find anything wrong by taking it apart, if it starts not working again then I would take a look.
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Post# 1045690 , Reply# 22   9/22/2019 at 20:46 (1,945 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1049754 , Reply# 24   11/3/2019 at 07:58 (1,903 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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You just need a very good Vice-Grip pliers or a small pipe wrench, these are tight but I have never had any real trouble removing or reinstalling one.
But you should take the blower out to lubricate the bearing in it and the main drum bearing as well, use a light oil on the BB and a heavy grease on the main drum bearing.
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Post# 1049805 , Reply# 25   11/3/2019 at 17:18 (1,903 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Hi Julie. I have to agree with you, Maytag 806's are among the best out there. As for the tight bolt, you may try tapping it lightly to get it going. Remember Righty-Tighty, Lefty-Lucy. As for lubrication I used Zoom Spout oil on the wick on the drum shaft bearing, and greased the pulley tensioner. I found this thread (link) helpful when refurbishing my 806. Once I greased and reinstalled the belts, it was very tight. It took a lot of effort just to move it by hand. Perhaps you are experiencing the same thing. Anyway, keep us posted! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Ultramatic's LINK |
Post# 1053108 , Reply# 26   12/4/2019 at 00:36 (1,872 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1053113 , Reply# 27   12/4/2019 at 01:14 (1,872 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 1082509 , Reply# 29   7/26/2020 at 16:53 (1,637 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1082533 , Reply# 30   7/26/2020 at 18:59 (1,637 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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There is only one drying temperature, IF the electronic control is working properly on damp dry the clothes probably would only reach around 100F but the dryer will stop with very damp clothing.
On PP the sensor takes the clothing to a lower moisture level so the clothing end up getting hotter on PP, many customers dried everything on PP as the regular did not always get things as dry as many users wanted.
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Post# 1082563 , Reply# 31   7/27/2020 at 00:02 (1,637 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1082568 , Reply# 32   7/27/2020 at 01:44 (1,636 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1082587 , Reply# 33   7/27/2020 at 06:11 (1,636 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Most Washing Instructions on clothing today are incorrect, just use your common sense when washing and drying clothing.
The problem with the dry @ low heat instruction is they don't say what is low heat, I would dry them on normal and if not completely dry lay them out to finish drying before storing them away.
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Post# 1082590 , Reply# 34   7/27/2020 at 06:23 (1,636 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Yup. That's what the tag says. Well, no matter how much could it shrink?
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Post# 1086189 , Reply# 35   8/23/2020 at 17:25 (1,609 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1086191 , Reply# 36   8/23/2020 at 17:44 (1,609 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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The bell only rings once on these machines before shutting off. The cool down thermostat is responsible for cutting power to the motor once temps hit 120F and below. Check that the paper clip linkage is free working smoothly and the tab it's connect to. That tab itself can break or start to crumble where the linkage connects. That sliding mechanism on the control board can become loosey goosey after a gazillion cycles and cause intermittent operation.
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Post# 1086226 , Reply# 37   8/23/2020 at 21:29 (1,609 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1132221 , Reply# 38   10/28/2021 at 19:02 (1,178 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1132256 , Reply# 39   10/29/2021 at 09:54 (1,177 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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Go Louie! Btw how do you like the SQ? Mike |
Post# 1132408 , Reply# 40   10/31/2021 at 14:34 (1,175 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Mike I am very happy with it. I like I only have to press power, then start and it automatically reuses the last cycle. No reprogramming. The laundry comes out very clean and a little dryer after the spin compared to the Kenmore Elite. The only thing, as I mentioned earlier, I wish it had more wash options. Eventually I'll get the matching dryer. |
Post# 1195347 , Reply# 41   12/13/2023 at 22:24 (402 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Is this the correct way to connect an electric HOH to 120v? Just double checking, zoomed in on Louis’s video and this appears is to how his DE806 is wired up.
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Post# 1195361 , Reply# 42   12/14/2023 at 06:45 (401 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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And is one of at least two ways to put a 120 V cord on a 240 V dryer
Normally you would connect the green wire directly to the frame of the machine and remove the ground strap leave all the other wires where they were from the factory But move the blue wire to the center post where the white wires are and attach the white wire to the center post and the black wire to the post on the right side, the way Louie has it it will work fine, but he has his polarity backwards, with it this way, he could be electrocuted, changing the lightbulb, if he forgets to unplug the machine and touches the edge of the bulb. John |
Post# 1198093 , Reply# 43   1/27/2024 at 20:08 (357 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Today I noticed a faint ozone odor coming from the dryer. That usually means the motor windings are beginning to overheat, wire insulation melting or the heating element. It continues to work fine. Tomorrow I'll be opening it up to see where the smell is coming from, and correct it if possible. Also need to give it a thorough cleaning and change the fluorescent lamp. |
Post# 1198095 , Reply# 44   1/27/2024 at 21:08 (357 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1198096 , Reply# 45   1/27/2024 at 21:24 (357 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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You would have to have a continuous arcing going on to produce ozone. It would not be ever caused by motor windings, or even the start switch in the dryer, you probably should check the dryer out but I don’t think you’re smelling ozone.
There are all kinds of smells a dryer could make, however, most common would be something in the household environment, being drawn over the heating element that can make all kinds of interesting smells that can cause concern. And of course, the motor windings themselves could be starting to overheat from blocked air passages or insulation breakdown, which will cause them to short slightly, and start to earn the insulation on them. John |
Post# 1198109 , Reply# 46   1/28/2024 at 01:04 (356 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Ultramatic, thank you for making this thread. This dryer is so cool and the concept of using a thyristor, solenoid actuated cycle termination and metal moisture strip has me wanting to know more. Do have the service manual to this dryer by chance or know where to find it?
BTW I find the choice of wiring colors in this machine fascinating and rather eye candy. Like the green for the motor and blue and yellow as the hots on the terminal block. The twirls around some of the wires. Whom ever was tasked in wiring this dryer had fun- I wish I could have been there. |
Post# 1198342 , Reply# 47   1/31/2024 at 12:55 (353 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1198348 , Reply# 48   1/31/2024 at 14:51 (353 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1199963 , Reply# 53   2/22/2024 at 19:46 (331 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Because they run such a long period of time drawing full amperage,
This should not be on a ground fault outlet they’re not durable enough for this type of current draw definitely get a 20 amp outlet even if it’s only on a 15 amp circuit. When you replace the cord on the dryer be sure it’s a minimum of 14 gauge but it would be far better to get a 12 gauge cord then you’ll never have this problem again. Glad the dryer itself isn’t burning up. I was skeptical when you said you smelled the arking from the outlet may have made an ozone type smell. John |
Post# 1199970 , Reply# 54   2/22/2024 at 20:59 (331 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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I went with a Leviton GFWT2-W GFCI receptacle rated 20-amps. And a 10 gauge cord/plug. Overkill? Perhaps. This is a 20-amp circuit. And for kicks, I am replacing the original fluorescent bulb with an LED equivalent. But I am not out of the woods yet. There are other issues that need to be addressed. |
Post# 1200154 , Reply# 55   2/25/2024 at 10:21 (328 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1201271 , Reply# 56   3/10/2024 at 17:34 (314 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1202128 , Reply# 59   3/22/2024 at 22:46 (302 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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A member from my Facebook group suggested to wipe down the metal bars on the baffles of the drum with rubbing alcohol. Well that cured the dryer shutting off prematurely. I'm surprised it was such a simple fix. Now it continues to run until the clothes are almost totally dry (Permanent Press) and the bell rings correctly. However it barely gets warm, not hot. After the cycle ended I ran it again on Permanent Press. This time it ran for 10 minutes or so, but it got HOT. The clothes were totally dry. This is how the dryer used to work originally. Could it be the cycling thermostat is failing? They are still readily available. Or perhaps the High Limit thermostat? Tomorrow I am opening the dryer up for some cleaning and lubrication.
I still have to check the drum light bulb on why it does not light, and to check whether the drum seal needs to be replaced. |
Post# 1202134 , Reply# 60   3/22/2024 at 23:43 (302 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Do you hear an audible click from the high limit thermostat when it cycles the heating element off? If it’s cycling on the high limit thermostat despite having clear and unobstructed venting, it may mean the high limit thermostat is getting on the weak side. Some of the 06 series HOH dryers built from 1966 to 1975 use a L150-20 high limit thermostat, others used a L200-30 (L190-40 will work as well).
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Post# 1207294 , Reply# 61   6/11/2024 at 01:24 (221 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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The drum light continues not to work. Checked socket, even connected it directly, and it worked fine. The wiring is intact. So I am pretty sure it's the door switch Part # Y301336. Found NOS on ebay.
The shutting off prematurely issue has been resolved (loose connection at baffle).
Now some lube, new drum seal and hopefully it will be trouble free for many years. |
Post# 1207339 , Reply# 62   6/11/2024 at 22:08 (221 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207340 , Reply# 63   6/11/2024 at 22:17 (221 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207345 , Reply# 64   6/11/2024 at 22:57 (221 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1207357 , Reply# 65   6/12/2024 at 07:03 (220 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1207389 , Reply# 66   6/13/2024 at 01:59 (219 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207390 , Reply# 67   6/13/2024 at 02:10 (219 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1207398 , Reply# 68   6/13/2024 at 06:38 (219 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The lint accumulated near the heating element would never be there if the dryer were being used on 240 V, it would be fun if you connected it to 240 V without cleaning it you’d get a lot of smoke for a little while.
Hi Louie, if you have that connected to a 20 amp separate circuit, I would replace the 1200 W heater you’re using with a 2000 W heater. It would speed up the dryer noticeably if you want it to be faster at least. Hopefully the door switch will cure the problem with the interior light not working, I do think there’s a chance you don’t have it converted properly at the terminal block and you don’t have 120 V getting to the light but can’t really tell without checking the dryer personally. John |
Post# 1207596 , Reply# 69   6/17/2024 at 00:26 (216 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207789 , Reply# 70   6/20/2024 at 18:04 (212 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207870 , Reply# 71   6/22/2024 at 13:48 (210 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207888 , Reply# 72   6/22/2024 at 17:30 (210 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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With the bolt out, just grab the pulley on both sides and twist back-and-forth. It will come right off.
Use potholders or rags to protect your hands. The edge of the pulley can be sharp. May be stuck because the Bolt might have been tightened on the smooth part of the shaft instead of the flattened part. But it will still come off easily. John |
Post# 1207895 , Reply# 73   6/22/2024 at 19:07 (210 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1207900 , Reply# 75   6/22/2024 at 20:47 (210 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Is the sheet metal pulley loose on the steel hub?
If the sheet metal has come loose from the steel hub, you’ll have to grab the steel hub with a big vice grip and work it off that way The other way to get this office to take a propane torch to the hub heat until the paint smokes then it will come right off. A heat gun would be fairly useless unless it’s a really hot one, but you would have to heat the metal till the paint is damaged, boiling water would have almost no effect. It’s just not hot enough. |
Post# 1207908 , Reply# 76   6/22/2024 at 21:35 (210 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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The pulley is quite loose now. I can turn it completely. Totally independent from the shaft. It almost feels like the shaft is warped somehow and not letting the pulley come off. The vise grips I currently have are too small to attach to the center hub. I will have to get a larger one tomorrow. I do have a propane torch, so I can also try that next. |
Post# 1208162 , Reply# 77   6/26/2024 at 18:03 (206 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Maytag: 1 Blowtorch: 0
Didn't budge. I just had a terrible thought that perhaps a piece of the set bolt broke off and is keeping the pulley from being removed. |
Post# 1208174 , Reply# 78   6/26/2024 at 19:38 (206 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Nothing is broken off your set screw, does the hub twist at all on the shaft at all ?, you had said it turned back and forth before.
I really don't know why you are trying to take the pulley off anyway, didn't you have this all apart a few years ago ? If so it should not need lubercation for about 20 year. |
Post# 1208194 , Reply# 79   6/26/2024 at 23:35 (206 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1208301 , Reply# 81   6/28/2024 at 17:04 (204 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1208357 , Reply# 83   6/29/2024 at 17:49 (203 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Maytags are good about minimal lint accumulation when the seals are in proper order. I was surprised on the small amount of lint accumulation on my HDE808 after 7 years of use. On my'81 Kenmore dryer, I had to remove the bottom panel (gas model) and vacuum out the lint every 6 months. Always a nice thick even layer of lint in that area.
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Post# 1208482 , Reply# 84   7/1/2024 at 17:23 (201 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1208493 , Reply# 85   7/1/2024 at 19:38 (201 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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These were the best of the three suppliers that Maytag used at this time. The Westinghouse was the worst one the GE’s were durable, but they tended to vibrate a lot more.
This motor is actually glued together. I don’t know how you oiled it, but there have been many postings where it’s been shown how you drill holes to add oil to them, all you have to do is drill 316 inch hole in each end and use zoom oil to replenish the oil in the wicking. John |
Post# 1208508 , Reply# 86   7/1/2024 at 23:46 (201 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1212259 , Reply# 87   8/15/2024 at 19:58 by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1212941 , Reply# 88   8/23/2024 at 23:48 by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Refresh complete. New belts, door switch, console bulb, blower lint seal, locking casters, sound/heat mats, 10 gauge power cord, 20 amp outlets, box and wires. It's been oiled, greased, vacuumed and paint retouched.
And of course, the glamorous evening shots...
Nice and quiet.
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Post# 1213061 , Reply# 89   8/25/2024 at 18:11 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Should run for quite a few more years, I would still think seriously of putting an 1800 W element in it that would cut the running time down by About 1/3 and make the machine last a lot longer since it wouldn’t have to run so much with its 1200 W heating element.
How many loads a week do you normally do with this machine? John |
Post# 1213076 , Reply# 90   8/26/2024 at 00:11 by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1213208 , Reply# 92   8/27/2024 at 15:51 by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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