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A Great Incandescent Bulb, R.I.P.
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Post# 1024242   2/10/2019 at 19:39 (481 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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A glowing internal hot-spot light source, in the form of an ovalesque-shaped beauty, with the writing rubbed-off, thereby giving her no-name, rated at roughly 60-watts, splattered with goo, from her previous ancient surroundings, after ably giving her assistance in lighting a lamp in a room, with one, or sometimes two other bulbs, after being used for a term as a single source, in her beginning life as a solo performer in a lamp she was found in, which I'd never used due to its ravaged and unusable condition, is now immortalized in the Hall of Fame of Past Successes in Light Bulb History:

On numerous occasions she has been flickering, then coming back to life, but as of Sunday, Feb. 10th, 2019, she at the time of 8:05 PM, which can also be in 24-hour, international or military time be 20:05, she has now officially been pronounced dead...

Her lifespan had been lengthened, along with that of her fellow rarities in the lightbulb world, via use of a dimmer cord-switch...

A plan to replace her and possibly give more details on her specifications to her legacy, as well as what Bulb to replace her with, will follow...

-- Dave

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Post# 1024243 , Reply# 1   2/10/2019 at 19:44 (481 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Post# 1024255 , Reply# 2   2/10/2019 at 22:24 (481 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        
as well as what Bulb to replace her with

GE soft white halogen replacement bulbs aren't bad.

Technically an incandescent but a 75 watt version may be needed to get around the same lumens as the old 60 watt.

Post# 1024347 , Reply# 3   2/11/2019 at 23:22 (480 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Hey, she came back to life!

Yes, that's the same light bulb, which I'd thought had given up the ghost...

Well, I meant to make my post I'd deleted an admission that this had been a death hoax, as of 8:37 PM ( or 20:37) that day she lit up in her full glowing glory...

(Maybe I was waiting for more responses from you guys!)

Sorry, folks, she is going to stick around, and this happened before, but not in that 30-min. lapse!

-- Dave

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Post# 1024351 , Reply# 4   2/12/2019 at 03:23 (480 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)        

Hey, Dave - it's probably a bad socket causing the off-on situation. A little spot of solder could very well fix it.

Post# 1024358 , Reply# 5   2/12/2019 at 06:42 (479 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Yes, here's to her LONGEVITY!!!!

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Hmmmmm, I got that lamp completely overhauled, a few years ago... She's even got a new cord...

Maybe I'll try a different bulb, then I'll see if that's really right...

-- Dave

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Post# 1024395 , Reply# 6   2/12/2019 at 14:50 (479 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I've got a couple of "historic" bulbs I could not get myself to replace when I went LED.  A couple of bedrooms lamps have the vintage Westinghouse "T" bulbs that are still working well after decades of light (pun intended...) use.


I got a great deal on LEDs a few months back and replaced 98% of my lighting, I left a few as legacy lamps, they get very little use, so not a great current draw.


Post# 1024436 , Reply# 7   2/13/2019 at 03:43 (479 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yes, the T-shaped Westy bulbs!

It was 10-, or nearly 15-years-ago, I saw three of these lamps with them in ‘em! 60-watts, each!

There was an antique store I’d also gone to years later, still a few years ago, on the way to where I’d used to work at, that had a couple of these, with a lot of those T-shaped Westinghouse’s put in each socket, that unfortunately I couldn’t buy just the bulbs out of, I had to buy the actual lamps, more expensive and not anymore likely to last as long... (the lamps, that is; the bulbs—well?)

Update on that bulb: She stayed on steady, and had been on, all night, through all early-morning/now...

— Dave

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Post# 1025623 , Reply# 8   2/25/2019 at 17:17 (466 days old) by fisherpaykel (BC Canada)        
Westinghouse bulbs

I believe Westinghouse initially referred to these bulbs as "Eye-Saver" bulbs and yes a good non-glare coating.

Post# 1025758 , Reply# 9   2/26/2019 at 19:11 (465 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yes, that was a novel feature about those bulbs! They all said "Eye Saver" on them & imagine keeping alive, every one you'd obtained!

I'd even seen Bug Light ones, which they were labeled, and I think there were some auctioned on eBay, a year, back...

Major correction needed: And that is that I saw three of those lamps at an antique mall, which at the time going for $20, each was too much and I was tempted to swipe up all three, but luckily got this at a thrift shop and the screened shade at a Salvation Army store, months later...

The other antique place had a couple floor lamps that probably had eight of these bulbs, combined, going for, I believe $150, or more, that I verbally expressed to the owner, just wanting just the bulbs from...

And, well, while she wouldn't go that way, I think I would surely have had the lights to put them in...

Last of all, my late-in-laws had those in some of their fixtures of their previous home, when my wife and I were dating, that they'd moved a year out of after we got married...

One was even in their garage, which I'd taken right out, climbing up a ladder, replacing with an ordinary round bulb, and another was in a recessed bathroom fixture, while I'm sure one or a few was in a lamp or were in lamps, but had all burned out over the years...

-- Dave

Post# 1031166 , Reply# 10   4/28/2019 at 23:06 (404 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Thinking back...:

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There was one place I'd worked at which had an old, unused lighted sign that was much like a Lite Brite--a screen with a light bulb backing it & racks across it you could lay letters & numbers on it... (Though I only remember seeing the housing & was sorry to let that get thrown away, but that was it was for & just about every store back then had one in the window, advertising Specials & On Sale) which had a huge probably 150w Incandescent (seemingly much larger wattage than I would imagine it to safely allow) which had a filament determined to light that sign with every turn & I had given it to test it...


I had a few other incandescents also try to light with whatever remaining connections their innards could do, from tiny Night Light Bulbs to stuff like that one, full-large base-sized, a good turn offered at least temporary life...




-- Dave 

Post# 1031189 , Reply# 11   4/29/2019 at 08:31 (403 days old) by DE409 (Maryland)        

I have a supply of incandescents should you ever actually need one...;)

Post# 1031200 , Reply# 12   4/29/2019 at 10:55 (403 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Much to my horror the other weekend I noticed in a spare bedroom in the weekend house there was a 75 watt ILB in a bed side lamp that was left on, I carefully removed the dangerously hot bulb and put it in the trash and replaced it with a new LED bulb.

John L.

Post# 1031262 , Reply# 13   4/29/2019 at 18:51 (403 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Should have given it to me. I still use incandescent for table (reading) lamps. I also have a stash that would give anyone a coronary LOL. I

ncandescent bulbs are not dangerously hot unless you use them incorrectly. I use LED only in general duty lighting and exterior lighting where light quality does not matter. No reason to hate just because the powers that be say you should.

FWIW, you can still get rough service, fan, decorative and "Mexican" bulbs on Amazon.

Post# 1031280 , Reply# 14   4/29/2019 at 21:01 (403 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Chet, I am the powers to be,


I am among the millions of Americans that have worked to get rid of power wasting dangerous climate destroying products, I make no apologies.



Post# 1031440 , Reply# 15   5/1/2019 at 01:28 (402 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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So I take it your home has solar panels and a heat recovery system?

Post# 1031460 , Reply# 16   5/1/2019 at 11:00 (401 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi We do what we can to enjoy life and use as little energy as possible, we have had 42 collector panels on the roof for around three years now, we easily generate more electrical power than our home uses in a year.

What are you and others doing to conserve power around where you live ?


Post# 1031463 , Reply# 17   5/1/2019 at 11:22 (401 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Any pics of the system, inverters and charge controllers?

Been drawing up the plans for getting 4.8kv and 13.8kv increased to 34.5kv which will greatly cut loses by bypassing intermediate stations and eliminating mid-line regulators. In addition to allowing customer co-generation and solar just about anywhere.

Real environmental savings start as the source.

Post# 1031481 , Reply# 18   5/1/2019 at 16:43 (401 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Back to the bulb, sometimes jarring the bulb will reattach a loose filament.

Post# 1031542 , Reply# 19   5/2/2019 at 07:21 (400 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))        

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I still use regular light bulbs in my home. In the bathrooms, living room lamps and dining room.

Post# 1031644 , Reply# 20   5/3/2019 at 01:55 (400 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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So can we see pics of the solar setup? Prove me wrong folks, I don't mind it when its deserved. And not a single like for post #17, because well, its just me cleaning my keyboard.

Post# 1031650 , Reply# 21   5/3/2019 at 03:56 (400 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I just put one of the new LED glass bulbs that look like incandescent filaments in my reading lamp by my chair.  I can't tell the difference.

Post# 1032247 , Reply# 22   5/9/2019 at 21:31 (393 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
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I'm surprised no one here is using them or saving up on them though.

Don't get me wrong, I have LEDs too that I was able to get 50 cents apiece for exterior and general lighting, but nothing can replicate (at least nothing cheap) the warm light of an incandescent bulb. The ambiance is just indescribable- calm, warm, wholesome, fulfilling, complete, promising and a bit of mystique. Like a sunset on a river. Strong antiemetic properties, uplifting, happy and relaxing like tanning in the sun.

I use the 220 volt light bulbs as night lights. The light is dim and sleepy with the bulbs outlasting any LED.

Don't give up what you love guys.

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Post# 1032263 , Reply# 23   5/10/2019 at 00:15 (393 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I changed 99.9% of the bulbs in my house to daylight LEDs a couple years ago.  It was interesting to see, for example, that toilet paper really is white, LOL.  Now that I'm accustomed to it, soft white is too icky-yellow.

Post# 1032264 , Reply# 24   5/10/2019 at 02:33 (393 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Me? I HATE Daylight bulbs,  My preference has  transitioned to 3000k over the 2700Ks I had been using.  Like the slightly whiter light, but still warm enough.

Post# 1032274 , Reply# 25   5/10/2019 at 07:00 (392 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Hording Incandescent Light Bulbs

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I had a whole closet of new and old ILBs till I cleaned out the closet earlier this year and nearly everyone went directly in the trash [ I did recycle the cardboard boxes ] a lot were the 100-300 watt wattage's and lots of 40-100 watt etc.


Climate change is very real and I feel those of us that have lived in a society that has caused more than our individual share of the problem should do everything reasonably possible to try to slow the damage down.


Many of us here at AW.Org have the money to invest in changing to new Energy Saving technologies that will help everybody in the long run, We installed 42 solar panels on our house so we now produce more power than we use on an annual basis.


There were a few rooms in our house where I though we would never change out the ILBs but we have found LED bulbs that actually dim to a better warm glow than the old ILBs so they are gone.



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Post# 1032295 , Reply# 26   5/10/2019 at 10:49 (392 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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You would have made a good price on Ebay.

Post# 1032311 , Reply# 27   5/10/2019 at 13:25 (392 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
240v bulbs on 120v

once,at a flea market,bought a big box of 240v European bulbs-some had that bi-pin euro base like SOX lamps use,but most were Edison and handy to use were dim light is desired :)Bulbs are very inefficient light sources undervoltaged,but power use is very small regardless.

Post# 1032314 , Reply# 28   5/10/2019 at 14:01 (392 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
220 volt bulb on 120

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Yup. A 100 watt bulb will run at around 25 watts while producing 17% of its rated light output. A 25 watt bulb will burn around 6 watts. The big benefit is life expectancy which is like a lifeguard lamp on stem cells lol.

Post# 1032330 , Reply# 29   5/10/2019 at 18:23 (392 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

some GE LEDs make a faint "sizzling" sound that can be heard if you are very close to them-these are the silver ones GE had back around 2010,some of my fav. LEDs :)LEDs can be guilty of flicker and EMI noise as well.

Post# 1032338 , Reply# 30   5/10/2019 at 20:01 (392 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Replay # 26

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Far better to trash them than encourage someone to use them,


We all need to use are knowledge and influence to try to save the planet.



Post# 1032356 , Reply# 31   5/10/2019 at 22:54 (392 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Yet you have a massive collection of vintage washers.

Post# 1032361 , Reply# 32   5/11/2019 at 02:14 (392 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Got to say I'm with John, toss them.  I had considered donating my old bulbs to GW or such, but on second thought felt the same - if I'm not going to use them to save energy why give them to others to use the energy I'm trying to save?


Plus, if folks around here are in desperate need of bulbs the utility company will give them a group of LEDs for free.

Post# 1032364 , Reply# 33   5/11/2019 at 04:34 (392 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Hmmmmm, talk about disposing light bulbs, of their using destroying our environment, whereas what happens to the landfill receiving all that twisted metal of bases and filliments and broken glass?

Versus, incandescent hoards, of which I had amassed one, myself, even with a number of squiggly fluorescent lamps when they were mandated for lighting with energy consumption--but now, if only something would burn out!

The folks like me, craving more light that LED's can't deliver, nor in the form that old fashioned incandescents can do, if they're properly watted and well-made, and THOSE will fit light sockets in the lamp and light sockets we're still using, and least if all, our appliances...

And last of all, what does this solar set-up (as been cited) look like? We'd all like to know...

-- Dave

Post# 1032392 , Reply# 34   5/11/2019 at 15:47 (391 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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I'm not getting rid of them, any LEDs I have used don't last. I can't stand the awful color rendering of them either, I frankly believe that they fudge the CRI numbers on most of them because I have some old 60 CRI High Output flourescent fixtures that provide better quality of light than many LEDs. There is a massive difference between the living room which still is illuminated with 100 watt incandescent lamps and the kitchen which has LEDs. They are supposed to be the warmer color temperature, too but it doesn't matter, they still make everything look awful, even compared to an old CFL, let alone an incandescent.

I often head people say that this unreliability and color rendering is all a problem of Edison base retrofit lamps, and proper LED fixtures are the answer. In my garage we have four LED utility lights and one already failed, they aren't that bright either, only equivalent to one F40T12/HO flourescent tube, and there are two per fixture. They weren't cheap either, costing nearly $60 a piece. 1.75 years later, outside the warranty, of course one failed. Not to be out done, I tore it apart and found a bad solder connection on the 24v switch mode power supply. They potted one side of board to make it hard to service, strangely the component side so all the electrolytic capacitors would get hot and dry out. This failure rate will most definitely cost more than the electricity savings over flourescent, even the venerable old T12 type.

To summarize, I'm still not impressed with LEDs. I'm not opposed to CFLs though, they seem to produce better light quality, but they don't seem to hold up anything like the old incandescent bulbs do.

*The second picture is powering the LED strips directly off of my Sencore VA-48 video analyst, using its DC power supply function. As can be seen in the fourth picture after resoldering the bad connection, I depotted most of the board.

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Post# 1032476 , Reply# 35   5/12/2019 at 17:53 (390 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Richard, this thread is about incandescent light bulbs, I don't see any in your shop being used for general lighting.



Post# 1032479 , Reply# 36   5/12/2019 at 18:45 (390 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
I have one.

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The bulb just off camera in the first shot creating the bright spot at the bottom-right of the first picture is a 200 watt incandescent over my(cluttered) work bench.

Post# 1032930 , Reply# 37   5/18/2019 at 03:28 (385 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I have gone thru I don't know how many GE,Sylvania LED and CFL bulbs that were made recently!One GE bulb went out with a "B--RR--AAAPP!-Blap!" and let out a puff of smoke.The socket voltage is 119V Feel these new lamps are a fire asafety hazard.Will take an older Inc bulb ANYTIME over the newer LED and CFL JUNK!!!!Feel the bases of the new bulbs and they run HOT!!!!This shouldn't be!!!!POOR DESIGN!!!!!!Found some of my older CFL bulbs and put them back to use!!!!At how this bulb situation is going may have to go back to lighting with candles and gas lamps!!!PITIFUL!!!!

Post# 1032954 , Reply# 38   5/18/2019 at 10:02 (384 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

At work I’m mainly using Philips and Osram, the sconces are using Cree, and the chandeliers have some Ecosmart candelabras as well. Philips and Osram have held up the best. Cree seems to only last a few years.
I noticed last time I was at Home Depot they started carrying only the filament style candelabra LED’s which have no power supply and run off straight AC which means they have 120hz flicker, which is visible to the naked eye. Not really liking the way LED lighting has been going but seems we’re kinda getting backed into a corner here, I’ve stopped adopting them at home and continue to use halogen or incandescent where there’s a dimmer. Really can’t beat that quality of light and dimming

Post# 1032995 , Reply# 39   5/18/2019 at 19:51 (384 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
John, I get it

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I completely understand where you’re coming from. I’m using LED all over this house and The Pines. I have filament, dimmable LEDs in our chandelier. They might not be quite as cozy but a reasonable trade out for the energy savings. I have a bunch of 15 watt incandescent bulbs I’m not using. You’ve just given me permission to toss them. Thanks.

I think our house in town is a prime candidate for solar panels on the roof, but let one volt get back to the grid and Alabama Power slaps on outrageous service charges and requires home owners to purchase special expensive meters. I have friends who are taking Alabama Power to court as I type...

Christmas lights are my incandescent weakness although I’m probably going to switch out the front porch garland lights next year. Just wish they’d make the LED Christmas lights from glass. The plastic ones look so...

Only tangentially related, I bought a Ouija board at an estate sale about a year ago. I planned to sell it on eBay, but I couldn’t. I’m Christian but not extreme or superstitious, but the board felt wrong. I had this strong sense that it was a doorway that, once open, would invite evil to come through. I bought it and burned it to take it out of circulation.


Post# 1032998 , Reply# 40   5/18/2019 at 21:06 (384 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
100w bulbs

got 2 4-paks of vintage N.O.S. 100w bulbs today first pack was Philips~1990,and the other was 1980s GE.i'll use these out in the chicken coop during the winter when the heat given off will be a benefit.Also got a bunch of used par 30 lamps and some vintage,~2010,Cree LED bulbs-the ones that have the finned collar and when illuminated look exactly like an ILB :)-These are some of my fave "vintage"LEDs from back when LED bulbs were a specialty item and not cheapened up consumer commodity item like most LEDs of the last few years.

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