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Post# 1028891   4/3/2019 at 23:28 (1,849 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I wandered through a store earlier and saw some wine glasses. These glasses actually had care instructions that said the glasses should be washed in cold water. Let me repeat: wash wine glasses in cold water.

My immediate reaction: yuck! I felt almost as disgusted as I had a few minutes before when I'd seen underwear with "cold water wash" on the instructions. (Although at least seeing that revolting idea was nothing new, and so not a huge shock.)






Post# 1028893 , Reply# 1   4/4/2019 at 00:03 (1,849 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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One of my all-time favorite posts on this site. Eternal thanks, Nate.

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Post# 1028894 , Reply# 2   4/4/2019 at 00:04 (1,849 days old) by fisherpaykel (BC Canada)        
something lost in translation?

Were these glasses with the strange washing instructions made in China?


Post# 1028895 , Reply# 3   4/4/2019 at 00:19 (1,849 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I can't remember where the glasses were made. I'll have to go back and check next time I'm near that store. But I don't recall getting a feeling that the text on the box was written by someone who had a poor grasp of English.

Post# 1028896 , Reply# 4   4/4/2019 at 01:16 (1,849 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Yes, cold or warm water is often recommened

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When washing fine wine glasses. Many wine aficionados are very particular about not only the glasses the drink from, but how such things are washed.

Of course ask seven persons about the matter, and you'll get seven different responses. Much depends upon what type of wine glass (fine, crystal, Pyrex, etc....).

Some say don't use detergent at all, others just very minuscule amounts. Nearly all warn against using highly scented dish cleaning products.


Post# 1028900 , Reply# 5   4/4/2019 at 03:21 (1,849 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Yikes! While I don’t mind washing the occasional load of clothes in cool/cold water, I draw the line at dishes. Hot only. No matter what the directions say.

Post# 1028904 , Reply# 6   4/4/2019 at 05:51 (1,849 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
We've been down this path before.

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Yes, hot or even extremely so water does aid in getting dishes/glassware clean, it would take temperatures far higher than anyone doing the washing up could withstand to get anywhere near "disinfection".

Best we can hope for when dishes are washed by hand or machine is sanitation; by this one means reduction of pathogens to levels unlikely to cause harm.

As with laundry merely swishing dishes around in water (of any temperature) with plenty of detergent would dislodge many germs. Rinsing removes still more, and long as the dishes aren't coated with oil or muck afterwards most but for some would be alright.

When dishes are washed by hand they are placed on surfaces to dry or whatever that are hardly sterile. That and will go into cupboards, touched by hands and so forth that at once reintroduces germs.


Post# 1028960 , Reply# 7   4/4/2019 at 17:05 (1,849 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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>it would take temperatures far higher than anyone doing the washing up could withstand to get anywhere near "disinfection".

You mean not everyone has special asbestos gloves for washing dishes in really hot water? LOL


Post# 1028968 , Reply# 8   4/4/2019 at 18:19 (1,849 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

An old caterer's trick is to use ammonia based Windex:  spray inside and rims, let sit a bit and using hottest tap water,  rinse and swirl glasses a few times, shake out and invert on towels.  Turn right side up and will finish drying ASAP!  Even thick film of lipstick melts away.  Greg


Post# 1028972 , Reply# 9   4/4/2019 at 18:31 (1,849 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Found this online......... how to care for wine glasses

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1. Rinse immediately.

Don't wait until the next morning to wash your wine glasses. Even though it might be the last thing you feel like doing after a decadent dinner party, you'll regret it if you don't. At the very least, fill the glasses with warm water and set them on the countertop to avoid stains.

2. Wash with warm water. Set with cold.

There are three main glassware categories—crystal, soda glass and borosilicate glass, aka Pyrex—and all require special care. Hot water is generally too aggressive for delicate wine glasses, so make sure the temperature is warm before you wash. For the final rinse, use cold water and set the glass upside down for a minute before drying.

3. Rinse. Swirl. Repeat.

Once the glass is filled with warm water, give it a few swirls, just like you'd swirl a glass of red wine before taking a sip.

4. Soap vs. no soap.

This is a toss-up, as some experts recommend not using any soap, while others suggest adding a drop or two. Play it safe by using a very mild dish detergent and rinsing thoroughly to avoid any leftover residue.

5. Slow and steady wins the race.

Resist the urge to speed through the cleaning process. Yes, wine glasses are replaceable, but do you really want to splurge on another set? While washing, hold the sponge in place and turn the glass around. Try to avoid sticking your hand into the glass.

6. Say yes to cotton and no to terry cloth.

Nothing against terry cloths but they're not the best material to use when drying your precious wine glasses. For best results, opt for a cotton or linen towel. These fabrics are gentler on the glasses and won't leave any marks.

7. Polish to perfection.

You're almost done! To polish your glasses, steam them over a pot or pan of boiling water. Use microfiber towels to gingerly rub them.

Bonus Tips:
While hand-washing is usually the best policy, you can put non-crystal wine glasses into the dishwasher. Make sure to remove them as soon as they are dry.

Baking soda can help remove stubborn wine residue. Like you would with soap, add a bit of baking soda to water and let it stand for a few minutes. The residue should come right off. Polishing (see tip No. 7) is another trick to eliminating soap residue.

Wine glasses are best stored upside down. If you don't have a wine rack, place them upside down in your cupboard or right-side up if you prefer. Just make sure the glasses are thoroughly dry before doing so.


Post# 1028977 , Reply# 10   4/4/2019 at 19:00 (1,849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Cleaning Wine Glasses

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Hi Kevin, Sorry that internet find for cleaning wine glasses is so much BS, Let them sit overnight if you like, put in DW they will be perfect when they emerge from the DW, we have wine glasses we have been using for 30+ years and they look perfect.

 

Wine lives in glass, If I had to go to that much trouble to serve and enjoy wine I would not brother, LOL.

 

John L.


Post# 1028986 , Reply# 11   4/4/2019 at 19:33 (1,849 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I agree with John....

in fact skip the glass....just insert a straw into the bottle, save yourself the hassle!....toss bottle when empty!


Keep Life Simple!


Post# 1028991 , Reply# 12   4/4/2019 at 20:01 (1,849 days old) by Kate1 (PNW)        

I’m not inherently grossed out by the idea of cleaning wine glasses in cold water. It’s alcohol after all, I mean it’s not like a cup of milk my kids have been drinking out of. I don’t think wine glasses are a hot bed for bacteria. That said, I’m aghast at how much work is being put into cleaning a dang wine glass. Put those suckers in the dishwasher and be done with it. I actually have to buy a new dishwasher soon for our new house and I took a wine glass with me to the store when we looked at them to make sure they will fit. Life is too short to hand wash wine glasses and I can’t think of anything I’d less like to do, especially if I’ve been drinking, and especially, especially if I’ve been drinking with company.

Post# 1028994 , Reply# 13   4/4/2019 at 20:29 (1,849 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Some of you may be alright, but one wouldn't dare put our wine glasses in the GE Mobile Maid. Shudder to think what might happen, and considering the thing has etched, chipped and otherwise ruined a good part of every day glassware, am not eager to give it a go.

Post# 1029006 , Reply# 14   4/5/2019 at 00:01 (1,848 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

To me, anyway, the ironic part is that Ms. Josephine Cochrane is either laughing or having a conniption fit from beyond her grave, having supposedly invented the dishwasher to protect her fragile dishes.

And yeah, things have changed, a lot, in fact.

And some dishes may be too fragile for some machines or water temperature or aggressive detergents.

On the other hand, while I do believe some people can in fact smell leftover detergent scents in a glass of wine, well, I think it's weird that people even *buy* detergents for dishwashing which are highly scented, I, for one, do not want everything smelling of even lemons, much less "tropical" whatever when the machine is done, and on another (third) hand, I think it's ridiculous that so many people who can not taste/smell the difference to save their lives when it's a regular (not highly scented) detergent keep going thru all that trouble.

It reminds me of a story that happened on my husband's workplace. There was an obnoxious guy who kept poo-pooing the office coffee, and bringing his "special" coffee which he kept in the freezer and refused to share with others. One day, another co-worker, fed up with all the snobbish attitude, replaced his coffee with stuff from the office and made his special thing for the office. Neither the workers nor the jerk noticed any difference, and, if the guy who switched things had been able to contain his laughter and not told others, no one would ever know. Sure, maybe a pro coffee taster could tell instantly, but most people can't to save their lives.

Also, save your money, because, unless things have changed dramatically in South America, your "hand-harvested, shade-grown, mountain-grown" coffee from Colombia or wherever is probably none of those. For the longest time, people who grew coffee in Brazil had to pay thru their noses to export it, so what they did was to smuggle it across the borders to some other place like Colombia, Peru, Ecuador etc, to be sold as specialty stuff that people pay way more than for the "bad" Brazilian coffees. As one of my friends used to tease others when a pile of labels like that ("shade-grown, mountain-grown" etc) got uttered, the thing to inquire about is "is it dolphin-safe?" and see what happens. (As an aside, if all the "Scotch whiskey" and "Colombian coffee" were actually from the places they claim to be from, they would need to plant at least 3 layers because the countries do not have the room to produce all that it's claimed to be produced in those places to begin with. Think about it.)

Unless you can actually taste the difference and you *care* about the difference, don't bother, and don't try to impress others with that either. I had acquaintances have lasagna for dinner at our home one day, and then, two weeks or so later, they were visiting and I served lasagna again, since they had liked it the previous time -- I had a heck of a time just saying "thank you" and not cracking up to their faces when they claimed this one was *much* better than the previous one, given that it was the same batch that I had frozen half of the last time, and, in particular, this was a person who "hated" frozen food and thought she "could tell" when things were frozen. Nope, she couldn't. And, to be fair, _some_ things improve while frozen because the spices and flavors have more time to meld together, but that is rare, I'm told.

Anyway, just know that if you are visiting me, in all likelihood, unless something really might get destroyed by the dishwasher (some kinds of aluminum, some kinds of pressure-cooker valves) or are poor candidates for machine washing (things with very narrow openings, like the vacuum coffee makers, for example), I will have run it thru the dishwasher. If you are one of those people who just can't stand drinking wine or beer form a machine-washed glass, too bad, you can skip drinking during your visit. In fact, given that *I* am severely allergic to alcohol in the first place (skin rashes, not fun), I never even serve the thing at my home, although I have nothing against people bringing their own wine or beer and enjoying it, as long as I'm not forced to partake.

In any case, I'm having difficulties thinking that all the expensive restaurants are hand-washing beer and wine glasses with that laborious routine, they are probably just running the things thru the dishwasher too.

Cheers,
      -- Paulo.


Post# 1029028 , Reply# 15   4/5/2019 at 09:48 (1,848 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Fine glasses and DWs

There is a non-reversible process that can happen to glass: etching.

Sometimes you want glasses to be purposefully etched, but generally that is a controlled process.




In a DW, 2 things can verry much damage glasses.

If they rub together and move because of to much movement, they can get microscratches over time and even just shatter.
Those microscratches don't matter on the cheap 1 buck glasses you often use day to day that often are colored and textured so that those minor things don't matter.
On a glass costing 20$ or up (and that sadly isn't even a high barrier) that is a perfectly seethrough round surface, any minute imperfection immediatley jumps out and annoys the hell out of people.

Second is chemical process.
Especially in today highly efficent DW with verry alcaline detergents, beyond a certain temperature can attack glasses and cause permanent clouding.
The less soil, the higher the temperature, the longer the exposure the worse the effects.
High temperature fluctuations make that issue more prominent.



So modern DWs gentle cycle often start with a cold pre-wash followed by a high water volume main wash with a low and short temp spike, a long temperature reduction stage, a proper cold interim rinse and a low final rinse.

DW with variable speed pumps drop spray pressure and DW with water softener sometimes adapt water hardness to somewhat reduce the wear on glasses.




Again, I never cared much about that.

But I never paid more then a euro for a glass, if I paid 20 times that - like with expensive clothing - I probably would think differently as well.


Post# 1029042 , Reply# 16   4/5/2019 at 11:12 (1,848 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Re: John's comment re wine glass care

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I don't follow the info in what I posted, I just posted it.

 

I put my wine glasses in the dishwasher and they will often sit 2-3 days before being washed, I'm not too worried about it.  I HAVE seen the etching happen with some nicer(?) wine glasses I have.  Some glasses are large and don't fit well in the dishwasher, so those get hand washed in hot-ish water with liquid detergent.


Post# 1029181 , Reply# 17   4/7/2019 at 07:24 (1,846 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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This will get those wine glasses sparkling clean.  And it's loaded with chlorine.  1602372-464_CNT-Hytron



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