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Thread Number: 79170
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What is the deal with Persil? |
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| Post# 1030899 4/26/2019 at 15:51 (1,826 days old) by DE409 (Maryland) | ||
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I always see ppl talking about it on here but I always bought the HE Arm & Hammer stuff. What am I missing?? | ||
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Post# 1030906 , Reply# 1 4/26/2019 at 18:28 (1,826 days old) by wayupnorth  (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 1030949 , Reply# 3 4/27/2019 at 08:37 (1,826 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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I think the scent varies to the version of Persil. I don't fuss with detergents and for decades have always bought whatever was on sale cheap,, like ERA , or Arm & Hammer etc, you know the big jug for $3 and have been pretty much satisfied.. In a weak moment a couple of years ago I thought what the heck I'll try the Persil 2 in 1 since Consumer Reports had top rated it. Turns out it did clean a bit better than the cheap stuff and I liked the light scent.. I don't like stinky detergents. Think is often I'll go into a store and can't find the 2 in 1 , just another version which I don't want. Persil gets about a foot of shelf space in most stores and tide products get about 50 feet.
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Post# 1030961 , Reply# 4 4/27/2019 at 10:08 (1,825 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Post# 1030985 , Reply# 5 4/27/2019 at 16:37 (1,825 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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When Persil first arrived on US scene
That is Henkel released their "American" version it beat Tide in tests done by Consumer Reports and others. P&G was *NOT* thrilled and quite frankly must have been shocked at being knocked off their #1 pedestal, and promptly got busy reformulating certain versions of Tide.
About one year later Tide "ultra" Stain Release beat Persil in CR testing by a hair; and things have been back and forth since. Will be interesting to see how this new Persil "10 Dimension of Clean" or whatever new formulas stack up against Tide in CR testing. If anything Henkel has forced P&G to up their game in the true "HE" detergent market. Yes, P&G like Henkel has long experience in making such detergents for the European market, but Tide's offerings for North America weren't exactly always great. Stain removal, froth issues and other things caused some to search out Persil and other detergents from Europe. Notice Tide is slowly getting to be easier rinsing, less frothing, and in general behaving like a true "HE" or whatever detergent. Also few if any other North American detergent makers could match P&G in terms of size and financial power to pour into R&D. As have mentioned previously many times P&G has various patents locked down, and has done so for decades. That gives their laundry detergents especially Tide an edge. Henkel has the resources to go toe to toe with P&G and believe you me they must now be looking over their shoulders. | ||
| Post# 1030986 , Reply# 6 4/27/2019 at 16:54 (1,825 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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| Post# 1030987 , Reply# 7 4/27/2019 at 17:00 (1,825 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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| Post# 1030990 , Reply# 8 4/27/2019 at 17:19 (1,825 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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As for whether Persil (and Tide) is worth buying vs. something cheaper...
I think this is very much a "your mileage varies" deal. Some people probably would find cheapest detergent good enough. Other people could get by on nothing less than a top tier detergent. I have to admit...I was pretty cynical once about Tide, thinking that other brands were just fine. BUT my laundry needs were (and are) simple: more freshening than anything. My attitude back then might have been considerably different had I had severely stained/dirty laundry. In recent history, I've been using Tide more often than not. I only generally need freshening, but I think Tide may work better for even that. That said...I theorize I could happily get by on some cheaper detergent if I had a different washer. A few months back, I was using some variety of unscented All. It seemed to work OK, but I noticed a difference when I switched to Tide purclean. The difference isn't enough to make me say I'll never buy All again, but it is enough to make me say that if I can get a good deal on Tide, that's what I'll get. I have used A&H only once in recent memory. I can't remember it very well, but I can remember not being terribly impressed. That said, I was using a sensitive skin formula. A regular variety might work better. I've used Persil, and it worked well. I can't say if it was better than Tide. But I can say, no matter which brand has the best absolute cleaning power, that one thing I like about Tide is that it is available in unscented varieties. | ||
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Post# 1030992 , Reply# 9 4/27/2019 at 17:23 (1,825 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Tide gets more shelf space
Well it would, wouldn't it?
P&G has a dozen or more versions of Tide liquid and pods alone. Persil has just about four or five if you count pods and the new discs remaining on shelves instead of one replacing the other. P&G also has Gain, Downy and host of other laundry products that give it claims to more shelf space. | ||
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Post# 1031008 , Reply# 10 4/27/2019 at 19:15 (1,825 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Persil 2in1 "10 Dimensions of Clean" is not new. The two 150 oz jugs I have were bought from Target.com on 7/23/2017.
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Post# 1031030 , Reply# 11 4/27/2019 at 20:41 (1,825 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Persil 2in1 has changed again! 
I noticed at the store that Persil’s labels have changed again. The 10 dimensions are now listed on the back of the bottle. I assume that the 2in1 is now called “+ Stain Fighter.”
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Post# 1031034 , Reply# 12 4/27/2019 at 20:54 (1,825 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Noticed that last night when stopped into RiteAid
Needed distilled water for my steam iron and since detergents were in aisle on other side....
Just wanted to take a peek as to what local RA had on offer for the sale. No discs but did notice the "2in1" bottle labels had changed slightly. Still stuck to my guns and didn't purchase, though will have to see if bottle bought a few months ago is different than what is on offer currently. | ||
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Post# 1031054 , Reply# 13 4/28/2019 at 04:42 (1,825 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 1031056 , Reply# 14 4/28/2019 at 05:26 (1,825 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Just checked; bottle of Persil gifted from laundromat is "Persil ProClean - Pro 10 Premium Clean".
Among other benefits listed on bottle is "cold water cleaning". Peeked my older bottle of Persil "2in1 Pro Clean/ Pro Lift Technology" and it makes no reference at all to any water temperatures. OTOH all of my German Persil liquid and powder detergents have something mentioning they work at 20 degrees Celsius. Last time one checked Tide Coldwater liquid when tested by CR (years ago now) worked best at temps near 90F to 100F, but gave acceptable results at 86F. CR made a point of saying Tide liquid detergent (regular) also cleaned well in warm or coldish water, so there you are then. Know there has been a huge push in many parts of Europe to get people to turn down the dial to warm or cold water. Since machines there largely self heat wash water tap water temp is irrelevant to some households. | ||
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Post# 1031097 , Reply# 16 4/28/2019 at 15:44 (1,824 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Interesting | ||
| Post# 1031106 , Reply# 18 4/28/2019 at 16:13 (1,824 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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| Post# 1031107 , Reply# 19 4/28/2019 at 16:20 (1,824 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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>(only scented liquid and sometimes the powder can be found), but the good stuff (Tide Coldwater Free/Gentle) is only sold up north in Canada.
I haven't seen the powder in years. Last time I can recall, for sure, was about 10 years ago. AFAIK it's not listed on the Tide website, so it's very possible the powder is no longer in production. | ||
| Post# 1031129 , Reply# 20 4/28/2019 at 19:27 (1,824 days old) by ThatRobGuy (Maine) | ||
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to be fair, Tide doesn't list all their products on their website. Tide Ultra Free and Clear isn't on the Tide website, even though it exists and widely available at Target. | ||
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Post# 1031138 , Reply# 21 4/28/2019 at 19:58 (1,824 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Been a long day and am that tired
Forgive me for not getting camera out and taking some snaps.
This is it however: www.freesamplesfinderapp.... www.persilproclean.com/en/home/d... | ||
| Post# 1031295 , Reply# 22 4/29/2019 at 22:44 (1,823 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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| Post# 1031297 , Reply# 23 4/29/2019 at 23:04 (1,823 days old) by ThatRobGuy (Maine) | ||
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If you live near a Hannaford's (and I would assume Food Lion as well) the 16 ct Power Caps are currently discontinued. I was able to get several packages for under $2.00 each. Yes, I cleared them out. | ||
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Post# 1031302 , Reply# 24 4/30/2019 at 00:55 (1,823 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"You'd think they might have kept the branding/labeling stable for a few years to get consumers comfortable with it. Instead it seems to change constantly like Tide."
It is pretty clear Henkel is going after Tide. Neither Lever Bros, Dial, Purex or anyone else had the funds and or chops to take on P&G which has kept Tide on top pretty much since it was introduced over 70 years ago now. Henkel made some missteps with early Persil (scent, frothing, etc...) which to their credit they listened to market research and consumers, and now have switched things up. Don't see anything wrong per se in changing some side marketing/branding. The core "Persil" name remains the same which is what matters. The rest is really Marketing 101: make changes in a product and slap a "new and improved" label on it or whatever. If "new and improved" isn't trumpeted people won't know and or will assume what is on offer hasn't changed since last time they or someone else (including reviews) tried. | ||
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Post# 1031308 , Reply# 26 4/30/2019 at 03:20 (1,823 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Tide Ultra Free and Clear isn't on the Tide website, even though it exists and widely available at Target. "
Tide Free and Gentle can be found everywhere, our local Rite Aid carries it along with other shops. Tide Ultra Stain Release Free OTOH seems only to be sold at Target. Have heard Wally World has it, but cannot confirm. Even on Amazon the stuff is sold via third party vendors at far more than the MSRP of $13/bottle. thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-be... | ||
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Post# 1031325 , Reply# 29 4/30/2019 at 07:45 (1,823 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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All always has been a MOL To BOL detergent
Was never going to compete with Tide; it didn't back in the "Bleach, Borax and Brightener" days, and surely non of the "stain lifter" versions would either.
That being said not everyone needs or wants the full power of Tide, or more to the point wants to pay dear for laundry detergent. All Free and Clear seems to have a decent enough following so there is that to consider. | ||
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Post# 1031369 , Reply# 31 4/30/2019 at 16:15 (1,822 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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I used 3 in the Magic Chef & 2 in the Hotpoint
Thomas, you may want to try "not" over dosing this detergent and see what happens. I mean 2 "discs" in that little compact Hotpoint and 3 "discs" in the still somewhat compact Magic Chef, WOW! But then I suppose you do always over dose detergent for every load, don't you?
It will be interesting to see if / how the SCW2GEN sudslocks with just 1 Persil disc. With 2 disc/pods it most definitely will!
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Post# 1031374 , Reply# 33 4/30/2019 at 16:40 (1,822 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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I used 3 in the Magic Chef & 2 in the Hotpoint | ||
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Post# 1031397 , Reply# 34 4/30/2019 at 18:29 (1,822 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1031402 , Reply# 35 4/30/2019 at 18:56 (1,822 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Can go both ways | ||
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Post# 1031416 , Reply# 36 4/30/2019 at 20:57 (1,822 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Post# 1031494 , Reply# 38 5/1/2019 at 18:52 (1,821 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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I think they tried to do something like the Argentinian Skip liquid from the 1990's it was a white liquid almost like elmer's glue (smells great BTW). When the washer was agitating, it would create lots of suds, when the washer paused to reverse (front loader) the suds disappeared instantly. this would happen for the first 15 or 20 minutes washing.... then the water would just turn white like milk with no suds at all. Never had a suds lock using that detergent, even overdosing. | ||
| Post# 1031589 , Reply# 39 5/2/2019 at 16:22 (1,820 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Hmm Guess I better find this new version and the discs and try them out! | ||
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Post# 1031608 , Reply# 40 5/2/2019 at 20:04 (1,820 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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EXCELLENT! (Once you learn how to dose it) | ||
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