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Thread Number: 79440
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Post# 1033555 , Reply# 1 5/24/2019 at 19:10 (2,022 days old) by Combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Corroded broken spider | ||
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Post# 1033587 , Reply# 3 5/25/2019 at 06:04 (2,021 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Corroded broken spider,
Hi bud, what did the inside of the outer tub look like ? If there is mineral buildup on the inside of the tub etc. the same build up coats the spider keeps it damp in allows this type of corrosion to take place.
I can’t really tell for sure without seeing the whole machine but it looks likely that you used way too little detergent, for water conditions also liquid detergent‘s are generally better. In general hot water should always be used in a front load washer like this with plenty of good quality detergent no cheap national brands. Bleach should also be used as often as possible. The highest spin speed also should be used whenever possible that spins more of the crap off things like the spider shaft area, slower speed spins seem to make this problem worse, And finally always leave the door and the dispenser drawer open between uses of the machine so it dries out better. | ||
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Post# 1033594 , Reply# 5 5/25/2019 at 09:39 (2,021 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Corroded broken front load washer spiders
This is a Samsung built washer, it’s probably one of the last sold by whirlpool if it was not purchased till 2010.
When whirlpool bought Maytag in 2006 there was a contract in place between Maytag and Samsung and whirlpool couldn’t get out of it they wanted to and they did get out of it as soon as possible. We don’t accept service calls on Samsung LG and several other brands but we do work at all Maytag and Amana and whirlpool brand of appliances so we’re seeing at least a couple of these a week, the dryers are even worse LOL. Painting a coating on the spider may or may not help much, when washer pumps were still made a pot metal GE and a few other companies put an epoxy coating on the inside of the pumps but it didn’t help much because you get tiny flaws in the coating and then moisture got under the coating and it corroded even worse. But I guess it’s Worth a try. All manufactures are building their front loading washers this way but many brands are holding up much better, it might be partly the material used and the initial strength of it to begin with. But we do know for sure that Korean appliances haven’t held up especially well , Even their cars are not doing especially well my office manager is waiting for a new engine in her Hyundai to be installed which is only seven years old. | ||
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Post# 1033601 , Reply# 6 5/25/2019 at 15:27 (2,021 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI) |
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Those Samsung built Amana’s and Maytags were junk! Put a bad taste in my mouth for front loaders and especially Samsung appliances. | ||
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Post# 1033622 , Reply# 7 5/25/2019 at 20:21 (2,021 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1033646 , Reply# 8 5/26/2019 at 05:30 (2,020 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA) |
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What is the spider in Speed Queen made of? | ||
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Post# 1033664 , Reply# 10 5/26/2019 at 11:13 (2,020 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Water quality could be a factor, but there are so many MOL and BOL powder detergents on market in the USA which for some reason don`t contain any corrosion inhibitors like Sodium Silicate.
Some even use Sodium Chloride as a cheap filler. Wonder if this might contribute to galvanic reactions as well. In the EU even the cheapest detergents don`t go so low. A good TOL liquid used in sufficient amounts might be better for the spider than a bad powder. | ||
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Post# 1033665 , Reply# 11 5/26/2019 at 11:31 (2,020 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 This repair project dates back 3 years, photos were posted at that time. Samsung frontloader given to my sister by friends. The drum support broke during spin, the edge of the drum tore a gash in the front of the outer tub. The friends were quoted $800 or some such for repair. They mentioned it to my sister who figured I could fix it so the friends gave the set (incl matching dryer) to her. Seems bad usage habits was the cause. Continual heavy dosage of liquid fabric softener, probably no hot washes. The machine has a tub clean cycle that heats to 130°F and a Sanitize cycle that heats to 150°F, highly unlikely the previous owners used either one. Everything internal was coated with a heavy waxy residue and reeked of softener scent, the drum support crumbling to soft powder. | ||
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Post# 1033782 , Reply# 12 5/28/2019 at 04:59 (2,018 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Excessive fabric softener addicts or fans of low temperature washing (like the Spanish) have always existed in the EU as well.
Chronic oversudsing or underdosing happens too. Even such bad habits like shutting the door close after a wash occurs in some cases. Yet a broken drum support is something I never heard of before. I still believe the major cause are poorly formulated detergents that don`t contain corrosion inhibitors to protect aluminum washer parts. | ||
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Post# 1033788 , Reply# 13 5/28/2019 at 08:42 (2,018 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Wouldn't say never heard of, but rare. Funny enough I often hear of Mieles having broken spiders. Though only after 20k+ operating hours. | ||
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Post# 1033841 , Reply# 14 5/28/2019 at 21:43 (2,018 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 1034200 , Reply# 16 6/2/2019 at 12:07 (2,013 days old) by UncleDave (California) | ||
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| Post# 1034211 , Reply# 17 6/2/2019 at 14:44 (2,013 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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I have the Maytag below I would part out. Don’t know if it has the part # you need however. MHW6000XW2
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Post# 1034217 , Reply# 18 6/2/2019 at 15:49 (2,013 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1034225 , Reply# 19 6/2/2019 at 17:38 (2,013 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
This has been going on
on this forum for over way over a decade. Spider failures on some machines but not others. I honestly have no clue but to come to the conclusion that it IS in fact washing habits. I have no other reason. But I agree the manufacturers should make the spiders with similar metal's to account for durability.
My duet is now going on its 15th YEAR (bought April 2005) I have never done anything that special. I'm the only one who ever uses the machine. When I wash colors or mixed, I use Hot washes with powder, and just a wee bit of fab softener mixed with distilled white vinegar and I also pour lemon ammonia in the tub when I'm not using LCB Then with whites, I use powder, LCB,hot washes and NO fabric softener. Leave door cracked and detergent tray open..... Over the years, reading on forums and online and I read horror stories of nasty smells, mold, broken spiders........So what other conclusion can anyone come to? But I'm going to be totally honest and say that no one is more baffled than me that my machine has lasted this long. I would have never thought it would keep chugging along. I think there are a few others who have a similar machine as mine that's even older? But I do know that my machine DOES use aliminum spiders, which id a dissimilar metal just like all the other broken spiders over the years. In fact, I think someone on here had a machine just like mine that had a broken spider a while back.....
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| Post# 1034233 , Reply# 21 6/2/2019 at 20:54 (2,013 days old) by sfh074 ( ) | ||
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Dadoes .... You are correct. The web link in my last post shows a picture of the actual spider needed. It shows the 2 flat spots on the end of the shaft that the pulley fits over. | ||
| Post# 1034998 , Reply# 23 6/10/2019 at 15:16 (2,005 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) | ||
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Post# 1035062 , Reply# 24 6/11/2019 at 04:59 (2,004 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Can't tell from the pictures, but I hope to god you didn't sandblast the shaft. How much does that entire thing weigh now? | ||
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Post# 1035107 , Reply# 26 6/11/2019 at 16:34 (2,004 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI) |
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Nice job on the spider! That was never an issue with ours, ran 9 years just fine without the spider self destructing. It's issues were the suspension and bearings failing, which started happening early after about 5 years, the other 4 years was just limping it along. | ||
| Post# 1035501 , Reply# 27 6/16/2019 at 20:49 (1,999 days old) by Losangeles (Muscle Shoals, AL 35661) | ||
UNBELIEVABLE !!
Just finished reading the thread and woes of Bud's issues with his Amana FL spider. I guess before buying a new FL washer it would be a wise to have the full engineering and composition specifications of the washer for purchase. You can bet your last dollar that your floor salesman wont know "JACK" about metal composition of the tub support/spider on any washer on the floor. So what is the the consumer to do? Oh yeah, you buy the washer for big bucks and a few years later, usually after the warranty expires you find yourself faced with a repair bill of more than half the original purchase price. makes you just want to search used appliance and Restores for machines that were built in a time when quality mattered. Just my thoughts. Losangeles
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Post# 1083471 , Reply# 31 8/1/2020 at 21:05 (1,587 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Sister's 2011 Samsung given to her by friends at just over 5 years (spider destroyed, completely infested with waxy softener residue) that I repaired in Feb 2016 threw a drain fault last week. Pump ran, she opened the drain protector, not clogged. I went there last Sat to investigate. Found all the hoses involved in draining were much as 1/2 obstructed with residue. Indeterminate if the spider is disintegrating again, I didn't disassemble that far. It drained properly after I pulled and cleaned all the hoses. The community water supply in her subdivision outside town is VERY BAD, heavy with mineral content and sediment. She has a regularly soak faucet aerators in vinegar, so it could either be a direct cause of the residue or contributing to deterioration of the spider. She does run too much cold water (contrary to my instructions) but the machine has a cleaning cycle that heats to 130°F which is run occasionally (probably not enough) with chlorine bleach, and she does add STPP with detergent. | ||
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