Thread Number: 79985  /  Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
New WP combo with decent ratings and it's 220 volt.
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Post# 1039097   7/22/2019 at 16:10 (1,683 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)


Post# 1039151 , Reply# 1   7/23/2019 at 09:30 (1,682 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I wonder why they only offer it in one color and no white?


Post# 1039199 , Reply# 2   7/23/2019 at 18:36 (1,682 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

In modern times, it can't work. The machine is only 2.8 cu.ft. (1.4 of drying space?), requires 240V connection while using the old-fashioned water-cooled condensing, prohibits drying of bulky items per the manual, and only engages the heater for Extra Hot cycles.
Many reviews mention issues with the display and the machine turning itself on by itself, connecting itself to the WiFi, so on and so forth.
If one has a 240V connection, they might as well get a Miele heatpump pair that will wash a significantly larger load while it's drying, with more energy efficiency and less hassle. *Maybe* it could be a touch faster than current combos, but with all the drawbacks, I can't see it working with better setups available. Unless we're speaking of the marginal number of people with the right connection and significantly limited space.
Just my two cents.

Post# 1039211 , Reply# 3   7/23/2019 at 19:32 (1,682 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>>Now for the bad this unit seems exceptionally buggy About every 3rd/ 4th load it will toss a no water
>>detected code in the middle of the was cycle to clear this code you have to unplug the unit wait a
>>moment plug it back in and start the wash cycle all over kind of annoying but its better than a nasty
>>dirty laundromat
>>Now every once in awhile the thing will just go nuts... will run wash cycles fine it will go to start its
>>dry cycle but fill itself up with water like a wash cycle often even dispensing soap too... will then
>>throw up a no water code and sit full of water so you unplug reset and select spin cycle or rinse and
>>spin and again it says spinning but the drums in was cycle and full of water... cancel cycle select spin
>>cycle again ok great it spun this time now select dry cycle and it fills itself with water soaking the
>>clothes again then tosses no water detected code again and no matter what you seem to do it wont
>>cooperate with you... so you toss in the towel and hang dry that load a few days later you toss a new
>>load in and in functions as it should or just makes you clear a no water code...
>>Another thing ive noticed with the load and go dispenser is i constantly get low fluid warnings when
>>its full about every other load it does this

Sounds like they have some software bugs to resolve...
Are these modern internet-connected washers able to update their firmware from remotely, or does it take a service call or a parts swap to do so?

3.1 out of 5 stars isn't great, especially when a number of those higher-star reviews are from people who got their machines for free...

Also... "Default cycle time with regular wash and dry is 6.5 hours."
I can see that being extremely limiting for a small machine to take so long. You probably NEED the wifi & app, so that you can plan your day around starting and finishing laundry when you are available.

Post# 1039298 , Reply# 4   7/24/2019 at 15:01 (1,681 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

Washingpowder, It must engage the heater for the warm and hot washes also since it uses only a cold fill. I would be interested to know how different the dryer section operated versus 120 volt units.

Post# 1039308 , Reply# 5   7/24/2019 at 16:30 (1,681 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        


Oops, I must have misread the manual and assumed their wording meant that. Now, I wonder what their target temperatures are - if it would actually heat it up properly.

I would be curious about the drying performance too; however, their manual states the machine will not dry without a water connection, so it's a water-cooled condenser.

Post# 1039309 , Reply# 6   7/24/2019 at 16:38 (1,681 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
That machine has been discussed in detail before

At 1.4cuft you could still wash and dry the average 8 pound load often assumed.

The 6 1/2h time is a maximum. Shouldn't be more then 4h for the mentioned 8 pound load.

Workings should be simmilar; water cooled washer dryers over here rarely have dryer elements above 1800W.

And they hit their niche market spot on: 240V cold water only no venting is the appartment kitchen machine in places where space is absurdley expensive.

Post# 1039323 , Reply# 7   7/24/2019 at 20:21 (1,681 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

@Henene, I just don't see it as a viable option. It doesn't offer any energy efficiency, like a heatpump would; nor does it offer capacity. Many apartment dwellers have limited access to 240V connection; all have hot and cold in the kitchen and the bathroom though, so unfortunately the cold-fill-only is purely insignificant to an average American. Moreover, majority of US cities have provisions in place to ensure the landlord covers the cost of hot water - it's therefore more economical to use a machine that maximizes the savings based on that, rather than boost the ever-increasing utility bills.
There may be an insignificant number of people who will choose it in lieu of creating space in a place where a traditional laundry setup had been in place already, and I guess Whirlpool is counting on people's inability to process simple physics; or maybe it's the idea of a Smart machine that's flashy enough. I personally can't process a water-cooled condenser dryer that's packed with modern electronics - all they're doing is smoke and mirrors of technology with old technology.
There's a number of machines that can do what this one does, with no extra surprises like electrical connection or the cost of heating water, if one's tap hot is 'free'.
Another thing, Americans are used to dryers so much they don't believe in ironing - laundry most often emerges smooth and ready to wear. Items like dress shirts are either sent to the cleaners or ironed once in a while - also complaining about the task. A 1.4 cu.ft. dryer cannot ensure a smooth finish of a load larger than, say, 5 pounds. That's a lot of less-than-half-full loads to be done, and the efficiency completely disappears.

Post# 1039424 , Reply# 8   7/25/2019 at 14:57 (1,680 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I struggle with "X" pounds of laundry vs "X" cubic feet. Would this unit be able to handle two queen size sheets and cases? That's about the largest load I ever do. I'm sure they weigh less than 8 pounds. My current MT Centennials are huge, but I never fill them up and I hate the low water levels. The idea of this unit sitting on a pedestal is attractive with my bad back.

Post# 1039441 , Reply# 9   7/25/2019 at 17:44 (1,680 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

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Post# 1039522 , Reply# 10   7/26/2019 at 16:01 (1,679 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I did notice that the fan is not as easy to get to as the one in my old Equator.  I needed to clean that one regularly and the WP service manual doesn't address the issue very clearly. I would not think using Afresh as suggested would have any effect on the drying system.

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