Thread Number: 80159
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
You asked for a Horizontal-Axis Top Load washer?
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|Post# 1041053   8/8/2019 at 13:57 (1,657 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Well, it's finally here!
The Laundry Alternative Niagara.
Oh, and the name Niagara is because of the water sloshing noise. I intentionally made the water level absurdly high, almost halfway up, to have a more-than-merely-decent performance.
|Post# 1041150 , Reply# 1   8/8/2019 at 23:57 (1,657 days old) by Spinmon (st. charles mo )
Not really my bag,but "no spin"? The laundry just tinkles on the floor?
|Post# 1041153 , Reply# 2   8/9/2019 at 01:43 (1,657 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
We had a limited price target and dimensions for this category of product.
Also, we sell a matching spin dryer, which is our best selling product.
We're also working on a fully automatic HATL washer, a fully automatic HATL washer-dryer combo with a VENTED dryer (220V Electric or 110V Gas) and a fully automatic HATL washer-dryer combo with a condensing dryer (110V Electric).
But those are for next year only, starting by the washer only, followed by the condenser combo, then 220V vented and gas vented.
|Post# 1041160 , Reply# 3   8/9/2019 at 04:20 (1,657 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Am by no means an expert, but imagine coming up with a top loading h-axis washer that can also cope with spin/extraction is no easy feat.
Here is an older AEG 664 with final rpm of "just" 560 rpms.
Now a more modern Miele SoftTronic:
Notice the Miele is rock solid stable even at 1400 rpms. But care to have a guess how much it costs, and or R&D that went into getting to that level?
A simple (no offence intended) top loading H-axis washer that does not spin is far easier (and cheaper) to design and build than one which incorporates extraction.
Commercial/industrial laundries used "pony washers" that didn't extract for nearly 100 years (give or take) until early 1950's when first washer/extractors were invented.
There is nothing inherently wrong with not spinning between wash and rinse, then all subsequent rinses. Front loaders have and still do offer this option on certain cycles. It is normally suggested such loads be half or less of rated capacity. This increases the water to load ratio which helps with better rinsing.
Above and or one must have more rinse cycles to increase dilution factor before final extraction. Older front loaders that only extracted once if that between rinses had five or more deep rinses using ten gallons or more for 5kg of wash.
Many modern front loaders have rinses down to three or less, with maybe more, but use may less water for each rinse cycle.
Extracting between rinses means load will absorb more water at subsequent rinse cycles. But because pressure is being used to push chemicals and dirty water out of wash instead of just dilution, some feel it gives better results.
Still others (including many laundry professionals) feel extracting after wash and between first (of a series) of rinses forces dirty/soapy water through fabrics which will act as a strainer. So there is quite a bit of range....
Being as all this may have used the Miele to wash loads that one knows or suspects won't spin properly. Simply use the permanent press cycle that does not spin between rinses. When machine is done, set it to drain, then either put wash through mangle or use the spin dryer.
|Post# 1041161 , Reply# 4   8/9/2019 at 05:47 (1,657 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Launderess, you're absolutely right.
The concept around this washer is the following: It has to be extremely lightweight to make it easier for an elderly customer living in an RV or mobile home be able to slide the washer from the closet to the bathroom or kitchen and connect it to the faucet and then slide it back to the storage place after use. It also can not damage the floor (considering a delicate "cheap" laminate floor)
MSRP has to be under $250. A Niagara + a Ninja spin dryer (the new model just released) can NEVER cost more than 80% of the MSRP for a Whirlpool/Amana/Roper washer.
Capacity has to be equal or at least very close to a full size BOL Amana/Roper/Whirlpool washer. (Which was a pain to make the drum large enough to fit 20 lbs of clothes in it).
It MUST be able to wash at least a queen-size duvet. (It can actually wash king size, but it's a pain to unload)
The washer dimensions and weight, with packaging, must be compliant with FedEx dimensioning formula to avoid paying an absurd $140 additional fee per shipment just because one of the box dimensions is millimeters or the weight is 10 grams above the limit. I literally pushed it to the very limit, with 1 millimeter tolerance and only 10 grams below the limit.
making it spin would make the washer more expensive, much heavier and the shipping would also be much higher because of the weight and volume, making it impossible to reach the customers that live in a budget. The suspension and counterweights take space, so the drum would be smaller, consequentially the capacity would be reduced. We would also have to transfer the dispensers to the lid, which is very complex and raises the cost.
It is a far superior alternative to Chinese-made washers. It eliminates the hassle of draining, filling, rinsing, manually.
We're also about to release a BOL version of the Niagara. The new version has only a 20-minute shut off timer, manual fill, and drain pump.
The version that was released today is the TOL version, with automatic fill, several different cycles, from heavy duty to ultra delicate, automatic rinses, fabric softener dispenser. To keep the unit lightweight, the whole body is made of PP and the drum is Stainless Steel.
The rinses are very decent, 3 (very) deep rinses. I managed to find a gap to run away from the EPA Eco-Nazi standards.
|Post# 1041162 , Reply# 5   8/9/2019 at 05:53 (1,657 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
I forgot to mention.
It is made in Argentina (joint venture with a very traditional Argentinian company) and the project is 49% theirs and 51% mine.
This partner have a similar model available in Argentina for years. Now their new model will be the same as the American version.
|Post# 1041166 , Reply# 6   8/9/2019 at 06:54 (1,656 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)
so an elderly person is of concern for moving/rolling the machine, but not of handling heavy wet clothing transfer from washer to spinner....
add in bending to empty the bucket from the spinner.....
just trying to picture all of this, and to look at the practical side of things...
229.00 for a machine......add in the cost of a spin dryer....two plugs, and towels to dry the floor from water of transferring clothes...
this may fit a certain criteria....but sometimes I think a twin tub would be a better option....
for example....this Giantex….washes, drain, rinses and spins....re-use of wash water....at about half the price of the washer alone!
again, may not fit everyones needs, but if I had a choice...
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|Post# 1041178 , Reply# 7   8/9/2019 at 07:40 (1,656 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))
All the Chinese twinnies look like they came out of the same dungeon umm sweatshop umm factory. I've got one, Panda. Works well BUT you've got to be there pretty much the whole time. The impeller speed is rough on fabric, likely using the same motor and pulley for 50 and 60Hz. Tangling IS an issue. Spinner is aces.
Watch those BOL models, they're gravity drain.
|Post# 1041193 , Reply# 8   8/9/2019 at 14:13 (1,656 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
The problem with the TTs is the capacity...
If you have a big family, you'll have to run several loads in it, and also babysit...
I personally love TTS (I have two) but I have to make what the market wants... We're full of chinese TTs, hundreds of models and brands and makes...
Regarding the dripping, i can unload the washer and load the spin dryer WITHOUT dripping a single drop on the floor and not taking "forever" by transferring one item at a time. The washer has a "drip drain" cycle.... tumbling the load during the drain.
|Post# 1041199 , Reply# 9   8/9/2019 at 17:14 (1,656 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)
Just checked to see if Staber was still making machines, yep still going.
|Post# 1041211 , Reply# 10   8/9/2019 at 18:57 (1,656 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
My AEG Lavamat toplader has same capacity as a front loading washer.
In fact most modern topladers can be had right at same capacities as front loaders 5kg to 7kg.
Older units such as the AEG 485 had rated capacities for normal/cottons/linens at just a hair below front loaders, around 4.5 kg. But again you have to keep in mind these older machines lacked the sophisticated motor, drum and other controls to deal with OOB loads. This or indeed to keep machine stable even with a relatively normal load.
|Post# 1041212 , Reply# 11   8/9/2019 at 18:58 (1,656 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
The Niagara is 10kg capacity.
|Post# 1041222 , Reply# 12   8/9/2019 at 19:26 (1,656 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
|Post# 1041223 , Reply# 13   8/9/2019 at 19:34 (1,656 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Yep, and that takes space, adds weight and the most important, adds cost to the product.
|Post# 1041235 , Reply# 14   8/9/2019 at 22:58 (1,656 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)
>> The concept around this washer is the following:
>> making it spin would make the washer more expensive, much heavier and the shipping would also be much higher
>> The suspension and counterweights take space, so the drum would be smaller, consequentially the capacity would
>> be reduced. We would also have to transfer the dispensers to the lid, which is very complex and raises the cost.
Thomas, I think you have thought this through, and it makes sense to you... but it would be helpful if your website communicated some of these design balances to your customers. For example, in the description section, you have a bulleted (check-marked) list of features, but "no spin" is the final bullet. This makes it look like "no spin" is a feature, when of course it isn't - it's a limitation that was accepted as part of a tradeoff for other aspects. Since customers don't know that other aspects were improved (or made possible) because of the elimination of the spin cycle, they won't understand any value that this design decision brings - it just looks like a shortcoming.
I think it would also be helpful if you clarified how this machine fit into the "system" of machines you sell. For example, most people are familiar with having a washer and a dryer. Some percentage in ideal climates may get by with a washer only, and do their drying on a line outside. But a large-capacity washer in the modern world that doesn't have a spin cycle is a real curveball. Would a no-spin washer produce clothes that are too wet for going directly into a traditional tumble dryer? Would it work, but waste so much energy in the lengthened drying process that it negates the savings from using an efficient washer? Obviously your spin-dryer is an option, but I'm not sure it is a "solution" for someone wanting clothes to go from wash to completely dry without hanging. And the thought of needing *three* machines (a washer, a spin-dryer, and a tumble dryer) due to a "shortcoming" of the washer or a mismatch between the washer and tumble dryer, would be an instant deal-breaker for many, especially those in your target RV & Mobile Home markets where space is at a premium.
It also seems to be perhaps oversized compared to your other products, so some of those tradeoffs were wasted? That 10kg (22lb) wash capacity is quite a bit more than your Ninja spin dryer (17lb) or tumble dryer (7.7lb), so each full wash load is going to take multiple passes through the dryers... and if someone were to wash something that utilized the machine's full capacity, or close to it, they are left scratching their heads on how to dry it? (Maybe you have a larger dryer in the pipeline to complement this?)
Not intending to sound negative... just some things that stand out from looking at your website. As an outsider, I could see the appeal, but it leaves one with a lot of questions on how it all works in practice.
|Post# 1041238 , Reply# 15   8/9/2019 at 23:18 (1,656 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Laundry Alternative has (or had) that mega spin dryer with a rated capacity of 22 lbs.
That being said as one who again often transfers sopping wet wash from either a washing machine or tubs into spin dryer, it can get old fast. IMHO American housewives and others contemplating this washer ought have the fact it does not extract hugely reinforced. People see what they want, and even when something is clearly mentioned in advertising/marketing copy no end glace over. Only to get the thing and find out it isn't what they wanted/needed, then all heck breaks loose.
While many of us here love the idea of an "old fashioned" wash day using various semi-automatic laundry appliances, people need to clearly understand what they're getting.
|Post# 1041258 , Reply# 16   8/10/2019 at 06:27 (1,655 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))
The tumble drain imparts some centrifugal force. Given some time the result may not sop.
Yes, three laundry machines runs up against the 'compact' concept. Not readily stackable either, their weights and functions. Except for the donut store my entire life takes place in ~300 sq ft; those 3 machines in use would glom the entire kitchen floorspace. Might could/not even open the fridge.
Nature of invention and subsequent marketing. The compromises, pricepoint, and most intangibly at the outset, market demand/acceptance. You don't know what those dice say until you platz your money and wait until they stop rolling.
Congrats and best wishes to Thomas and TLA.
|Post# 1041259 , Reply# 17   8/10/2019 at 06:38 (1,655 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
In our case, believe it or not, it's a feature...
You have no idea about the number of customers that contact us asking if there is a way to make a version of the Silk with no spin.
That's because most of our customers "smuggle" washers into apartment complexes and they don't want the neighbors or the manager or the landlord hearing any noise.
We even had to get rid of the end of cycle buzzer because of that.
ALso with the price, weight and dimensions limitation, we also considered the number of customers that asked for a "no spin at all" automatic washer.
Also note this is ONE version. there will be other HATL versions with up to 1500 and 1700 RPM spin and manually selectable spin speeds almost like a dimmer.
We will have a total of 9 different HATL models, from a super BOL no spin and just a 20-minute shut off timer to a high end washer-dryer combo full of bells and whistles like touchscreen that's also Alexa and Google home enabled. We just release one of the models now, the TOL of the no spin versions.
|Post# 1041269 , Reply# 18   8/10/2019 at 07:32 (1,655 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)
In a plastic machine that weighs 20 pounds, 22 pounds of bath towels is about 22 large bath towels, I bet you would have a hard time getting 10 towels in the machine.
Then show us a video of 22 pounds of towels washing in this washer.
Sopping wet this load will weigh 50 pounds + and I have yet to see a spin drier that can handle this size load, I have a SpinX that can handle about 4 towels and that is a heavy load for it.
|Post# 1041275 , Reply# 19   8/10/2019 at 09:43 (1,655 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))
Should note: Mine is "smuggled", neighbor a chronic complainer, no problem has arisen. As well, building is flimsy, absolute minimum to squeak by code. I do run it infrequently and redistribute if it shimmies.
The one remaining mainstream US appliance mfr is not going to come out with 'alternatives' and China only copies what's already been done. Puts TLA in favorable position.
|Post# 1041283 , Reply# 20   8/10/2019 at 11:01 (1,655 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)
|Post# 1041308 , Reply# 21   8/10/2019 at 14:51 (1,655 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
It handles that load easily.
Of course, the dry load will be packed in the drum, but one is starts filling, the load saturates then there's room to wash them.
It depends, of course, on your definition of "large". The test is considering a standard "hotel" towel, not those Lacoste giant towels sold at Macy's. four of those towels would fill that LG top load washer that claims to have the largest drum in the world.
|Post# 1041602 , Reply# 22   8/13/2019 at 12:38 (1,652 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Sure! Send me a 1-18! It will be my pleasure to compare...
I can't give you any guarantee that the 1-18 will go back. LOL
|Post# 1131247 , Reply# 23   10/16/2021 at 15:22 (857 days old) by sunspot42 (San Francisco)
So I got the Niagara over a year ago, to help cope with laundry during the pandemic. The laundry room in my building is ten floors down and surrounded by stinking garbage and recycling. No way am I washing my clothes down there. Disgusting.
I bought a cheap spin dryer first, but it was always out of balance, so I replaced it with the (slightly smaller) model from The Laundry Alternative. Unfortunately this forces me to usually run the Niagara slightly under capacity. On the plus side, that aids with rinsing and the clothes I think tend to get a bit cleaner.
My routine with this machine is to drop it and my spin dryer into my bathtub, so I don't have to worry about leaks or flooding. It's amazingly light for something so large - I have no trouble picking it up and plopping it in the tub. I set its feet and the spin dryer's on little foam feet to help isolate noise and vibration, and close the bathroom door while it's running. I actually have a compact soundbar in the bathroom, hooked up to an Amazon Echo Dot, and play a Spotify "Laundry" playlist while the machines are running to help cover the noise - lots of electronic music with deep grinding bass. My bathroom is right next to the front door and shares a wall with the hallway on one side and the vent shaft on the other, so it's important to disguise the noise as well as possible and this works great.
I run it thru a full cycle, remove the clothes, drop them in the spin dryer, partially refill the machine on the short wash cycle, then let it drain to remove soap residue and begin the rinse cycles over again. Once it refills for the rinse cycle I remove the clothes from the spin dryer and plop them in for another set of rinses, followed by a final trip thru the spin dryer and then off to a compact cheap tumble dryer I got off Amazon.
It's a hassle, but no more of a hassle than our nasty laundry room. And the machine paid for itself in weeks compared to taking my stuff to a local cleaners. During the pandemic I've been working from home and dressing light, so I don't do tons of laundry, meaning the extra work required isn't really that much of a burden.
The machine cleans well and doesn't make tons of noise, although I wish it were a bit quieter and had its own foam isolation between the machine and the skid pads. I get why they included a pump but I wish the machine also just allowed you to opt for gravity drain, since the pump is probably the noisiest thing about the machine. Unfortunately if you just throw the hose in the floor of the tub all the water drains out - there isn't a valve that closes it off while it's washing. So I have to use a bungee cord to hook the drain hose to a shower rack and keep it elevated above the water level in the tub. Another drawback is hose and cord storage - it doesn't really have any. I wish there were recesses in the back to hold the hoses and cord flush - they'd make it much easier to store the machine. The dimensions of the machine are OK, but I feel like it's actually both taller and deeper than it really needs to be and could be shaved down a bit. An option for separate hot and cold water inputs and internal mixing would probably be great too for people who have hookups.
My ideal machine would be a touch wider than this one, similar height but shallower, with the drum being a few inches greater in diameter. I think it would be easier to store for most people. It would be stealth - I'd make it look like a large laundry hamper with no visible controls or hoses - they'd be beneath the lid or concealed behind a panel in the back. It would have a valve to seal off the drain hose during wash and rinse, so you could just flop it into your tub or shower, with an option to turn off the pump and just gravity drain. It would have spin cycles, optional hot and cold water inputs w/mixing, and also feature clothes drying capabilities. Being able to replace three machines with one would be worth a lot of money to me - I'd easily pay $600 for such a gadget, probably more.
Here's hoping we see more of these horizontal axis washers in the US market. I can't understand why anybody would deal with the hassle of a front-load washer - all the gaskets, the stooping over, the mold issues, etc. - when this design is available.
|Post# 1131277 , Reply# 24   10/17/2021 at 03:50 (857 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Its all about cost, cost and cost.
Spin cycle? Nope! That involves a suspension system = added weight (a lot) and $$$$$$.
Hot water inlet, nope... 99% of users will have it hooked up to a kitchen or bathroom sink. Adding a valve means a more expensive washer in a market with consumers that fighting for pennies. $0,25 tag price difference can make the product leave first Page and end up on Page 457 on Amazon.
Oh but for a quartel less I can buy a xing xuang twin tub on ebay. Adiós TLA, that other Chinese washer is definitely much better because is 15 inches tall, 20 inches wide and the seller claims it can wash 500lbs of clothes per cycle. The warranty is only 90 days, compared to the TLA 3-year hassle-free warranty but who cares? 25 cents is 25 cents. That's how vast majority of consumers behave.
|Post# 1131285 , Reply# 25   10/17/2021 at 06:31 (856 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)
I’ve always been interested in this washer, and I don’t fit into your typical scenarios. I don’t have an RV, and I own my home.
This washer appeals to be simply because I am frustrated with the lack of choices and expense in trying to find a washer that use tap hot, enough water, had a good wash action, etc. And I’d really love one with no electronics (like the Whirlpool model I had in the 90s!). Right now, I have a Maytag mvwp575gw. The only other washer I would consider would be the TC5 (it was not available in 2018). The SQ now costs about $1400 where I live. I don’t expect it to come back down in price even after things get back to normal in a year or two from now??? Everything I have read says its repair rate is higher or the same as other top models. Reliability really means is just last longer if you can afford the parts and do the work yourself. While I could afford that if I put a priority to it, I can assure you I am not in the target income market of people who normally buy SQ.
I already use a spin dryer. I personally can’t see myself going back to not having one. I truly see the savings every month and I also feel like it gets that last little bit of extra detergent out too.
How many cycles do you expect this washer to last? How much clothes does it hold when compared to a top load 3 to 3.5 cu. ft. tub? Do you have a cycle matrix chart for this model that shows how much time for each part of a cycle?
It looks like a mechanical timer? Interesting that you can do this, and everyone else has went to expensive control boards.
What would be really cool is if you could somehow design a demo model with a clear front to demonstrate the wash action.
I also would be interested in the other models that are coming out later. I do think you can sell to a larger target market if a spin cycle of at least 700 rpm could be included.
Thanks for sharing and any information you can provide.
|Post# 1131406 , Reply# 26   10/19/2021 at 01:21 (855 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Using hot water is actually very simple, just get a Y-hose from Homo Depot, then select the temperature on the valve.
Indeed, it has no electronics AT ALL!
Clear demo version... hummm nope... too much money involved and the ROI would make the CEO freak out. Wash action is similar to a front load washer, 59 rpm and the water level is absurdly high for what people are used to see nowadays.
There will be a fully automatic version (800 rpm spin) and a washer-dryer combo version (1500rpm) with all the bells and whistles one can imagine, including smart integration, that zillions of consumers buzz me every single day to have.
|Post# 1131546 , Reply# 27   10/20/2021 at 23:32 (853 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)
|Post# 1132320 , Reply# 28   10/30/2021 at 02:49 (844 days old) by sunspot42 (San Francisco)
Any idea when the washer/dryer model will finally come out? I've been haunting The Laundry Alternative's website the past few months.
|Post# 1132321 , Reply# 29   10/30/2021 at 04:23 (844 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
Considering the logistics and semiconductors worldwide chaos, I'm glad we still have enough products in stock for another month.
Deep inside me, one could hear the bell sounding and watch me panicking because I know that sooner or later we will end up running out of stock for nearly all our courrent models.
One model (Silk Lux) is being phased out simply because we can't find reliable semiconductor suppliers to make the PCBs.
We're also struggling to keep our prices. Both freigh (containers) and shipping (each box sent to the final consumer) suddenly skyrocketed almost overnight. Freight prices are now up to SEVEN times more expensive.
To make things even worse, this chaos started a few days after we released two new models, Drop! and Revo and both models were an instant success with sale numbers 3x above what we were expecting.
If this continues for too long, in less than four months, ALL manufacturers in the USA will end up in a huge halt never seen before the situation now is worse than the first days of the COVID-19 pandemic, when the whole world stopped. LG chemical and DuPont already warned us they can't fulfill our next orders for polypropylene and ABS.
The only thing I can say now is, if you're planning to buy any imaginable consumer products or automobile, do it right now because virtually everything will soon be out of stock.
|Post# 1132346 , Reply# 30   10/30/2021 at 14:32 (843 days old) by sunspot42 (San Francisco)
I'm guessing the larger appliance manufacturers - especially the ones in China - will get preferential treatment and still be able to produce quite a bit of equipment. We're now learning the full price for outsourcing so much of our manufacturing capacity. Oh well...better late than never, right?
|Post# 1134830 , Reply# 31   11/29/2021 at 03:17 (814 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)
After a long Mexican soap-opera plot starring The Laundry Alternative and EPA, we finally won the bureaucratic hassle.
PuriFI is finally arriving.
Somewhat similar to silk lux
Smaller body (same capacity)
100% stainless steel drum and impeller
It has the ability to sanitize, however, we couldn't name the cycle as "sanitary" because of EPA, so it's now called super hot wash.
It has a fully automatic diaper cycle.
And there's another model coming VERY soon: Poseidon. It's a semi automatic with something many here will like: slow and high amplitude AGITATOR.
|Post# 1135399 , Reply# 32   12/5/2021 at 19:50 (807 days old) by flowerdrumsong (NJ)
Laundry Alternative has interesting items, thinking of getting something from there, and this thread is a big help.
|Post# 1151234 , Reply# 33   6/15/2022 at 17:20 (615 days old) by JRubsWell (Jyväskylä, Finland)
I currently live in Finland for STEM studies, and intend to make this place my new home after my studies are over. Learn the language, become a naturalized citizen etc.
Right now I sport a TDLR 6230L EU/N, a very serviceable mainstream BOL HATL from Whirlpool. It has not given me any trouble, features a 6kg (13lb) capacity and a spin cycle of up to 1200rpm, it has quite a lot of features even though it's not a TOL model (though they do exist here if you have the money).
How hurtful it feels to see that Whirlpool—an American company—offers me a common HATL, yet for my family back in the USA they do not even hint at these existing.
I paid €249 for my washer on sale, it is normally €299 (~$311) at full price. This is very close to the current full price of the Niagara, $289.
As an American I so desperately want to let my father replace his humongous and expensive front-loading horizontal axis machine with something half the size and a third of the retail price, so he can recover much of the laundry closet currently occupied by that and his dryer.
The current available Niagara model is quite enticing, and I am going to at least show this to my father to see what he thinks, but the lack of integrated spin cycle and light portable form factor might be deal breakers for now.
He has the space for something closer to what I currently have: a heavier, boxier steel construction ready for years of service without being moved, but the product just isn't available save for Staber (whose prices are nonsensical!)
Since it's a dedicated laundry closet in the middle of a hallway he doesn't need to move the machine. This means he does not fit into the portable washing machine market particularly well, but would certainly benefit immensely from a smaller cheaper machine that does the same job. (and potentially even if the capacity is less)
I hope that one of the planned future models (or even another product) won't be afraid to venture a little bit outside of a portable mindset and allow itself to be a little heavier and sturdier.
I know my father would love it, he was very interested when I showed him what I have here in Finland. My sister who lives in an apartment with a roommate could also benefit from something like this.
|Post# 1151270 , Reply# 34   6/15/2022 at 23:32 (615 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)
I bought the Niagra and the Ninja Spin drier. Awesome cleaning power but yet gentle on your clothes.
The washer is so spacious. I can wash several sheets at once.
You get all the benefits of an efficient front load washer in a light weight, compact, easy to move around package that is top loading.
The spin drier I forget how much the RPMs are but they are like 1600+ and it really spins out the water in just a few minutes. It has well designed suspension system so it handles unbalanced loads quite well.
The washer has a timer and you can select how long of a wash you want. It has a water valve and automatically fills to the correct level. When done washing it drains at a NICE pace (not too fast so as not to overwhelm slower drains) then refills and repeats 3 more times.
What I do after the first wash is remove the clothes and spin them out. While they are spinning out I hose down the washer tub and let it drain all the suds out, I spray the clothes a few times and let them spin out most suds, then return the clothes to the washer and let it complete. That's when I do the final spinout with no spray rinse.
This machine even has an automatic fabric softener dispenser for the last rinse. Someone really did an excellent job of thinking this out.
I had one of the washers shown above in post #6 but the wash tub was too small, the impeller could damage clothing, it was LOUD, and the spin drier was kind of slow and small. It was also difficult to wash shoes in without some kind of guard in place to keep the shoes from touching the impeller. With the Niagra you can wash several pair of shoes without any additional steps.
I'm so glad I got these.
|Post# 1153259 , Reply# 35   7/3/2022 at 23:42 (597 days old) by volvoman (West Windsor, NJ)
In a post from last year, you mention the following...
"There will be a fully automatic version (800 rpm spin) and a washer-dryer combo version (1500rpm) with all the bells and whistles one can imagine".
Are these still on tap?
Also, I seem to recall you mentioning a dishwasher that you were designing? Is there any news on that?