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Post# 1041717   8/14/2019 at 11:57 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Some have asked what I am using since the Magic Chef bit the dust and the Maytag A806 remains to be finished.

 

Kenmore Elite Washer Model #110.24952300 Serial # CR0419564 Manufactured January, 2004

 

Nicely optioned, "King"size capacity. One of the quietest washers I have ever used. The only issue is the cycle knob. The "rubber" inserts of the knob are literally dissolving.

 

 


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Post# 1041719 , Reply# 1   8/14/2019 at 12:18 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Kenmore Elite 1

 

Kenmore Elite 2

 

Kenmore Elite 3

 

Dissolving knob

Kenmore Elite 4

 

Ken 1

 

Ken 2


Post# 1041722 , Reply# 2   8/14/2019 at 12:49 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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So far, the cycle knob (WPW10043440) is being difficult to find. I found one on ebay for over 80 bucks. Not happening.

 

 

 

 


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Post# 1041724 , Reply# 3   8/14/2019 at 13:01 (1,661 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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Really nice machine.  I would love to find a low-use mint one.

 

Agree $80 for the knob is ridiculous.  I would use a pair of pliers first!


Post# 1041727 , Reply# 4   8/14/2019 at 13:14 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Jim. The cheapest I've found for the knob so far is $54. LOL! yeah right.

 

I got lucky with this washer, got it from my cousin for free.


Post# 1041731 , Reply# 5   8/14/2019 at 13:36 (1,661 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the best I could find was 41.00....which is still outrageous....

but the vid might help in understanding how the knob comes off....

actually I always wondered how this style was removed...


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Post# 1041736 , Reply# 6   8/14/2019 at 14:23 (1,661 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
KENMORE WASHER KNOB PART # W10043440

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Post# 1041737 , Reply# 7   8/14/2019 at 14:25 (1,661 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
Kenmore Washer Timer Knob W10043440

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Post# 1041760 , Reply# 8   8/14/2019 at 17:36 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey Thanks Martin! Interesting video!


Post# 1041761 , Reply# 9   8/14/2019 at 17:37 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Bill, thanks for the links!


Post# 1041782 , Reply# 10   8/14/2019 at 21:10 (1,661 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Once the Maytag goes back into service, the Kenmore will become a back-up. However the Kenmore will be replaced eventually when I find a vintage automatic washer that tickles my fancy, such as an early '50s Whirlpool/Kenmore, Maytag or Frigidaire.


Post# 1041785 , Reply# 11   8/14/2019 at 21:56 (1,661 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
2004 Kenmore knob(s)...

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I hope the link(s) work out for you.

Hagn/d all.

Bill


Post# 1042529 , Reply# 12   8/22/2019 at 20:42 (1,653 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I finally found a reasonable vendor for the knob. $9.50 and free shipping (Used).


Post# 1042532 , Reply# 13   8/22/2019 at 21:07 (1,653 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Certified Parts

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Very good prices, and free shipping.



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Post# 1043370 , Reply# 14   8/31/2019 at 08:24 (1,644 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Uh-oh...

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While doing a load I noticed halfway during the wash cycle a load clicking noise. Each time it clicked, the light above the washer would slightly dim (same circuit). I don't know whether it was agitating or not. I advanced the timer and it started to work normally again. Because of the light dimming, am I to assume it's an electrical problem? The clicking seemed to be coming from under the tub. Any ideas what may be wrong guys?


Post# 1043371 , Reply# 15   8/31/2019 at 08:59 (1,644 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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odd in that it could be normal...although if it was, it would have done it from day one....

we replaced a belt drive Kenmore with a new Whirlpool DD with GentleWash.....on high speed agitation the light in the laundry room would flicker, add music and you had a disco......once it shifted to low speed, it would stop.....

no issues during high speed spin....

if anything, I would change the motor/trans coupler first.....did you need me to send you one?


Post# 1043373 , Reply# 16   8/31/2019 at 09:33 (1,644 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey Martin. It just finished another cycle now. It worked normally. How strange it did that. It seemed like something was preventing the agitator to move, but I didn't see what actually happened. Every time it made a buzz, the light would dim. Like the motor was struggling. Anyway, it's not doing it now, agitates and spins as usual. If it were the motor coupler, wouldn't it continue to do it? Or perhaps it's failing and somehow now it caught on and it's working again. I saw on YouTube it's a relatively easy fix.


Post# 1043378 , Reply# 17   8/31/2019 at 10:22 (1,644 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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yes, replacing the coupler is a quick easy fix....

I had one once that was making a clicking noise, and I thought it was the gears in the transmission making the noise of slipping or cracked teeth....

turns out if was the coupler, at points, grabbing and then slipping...

even though there are three teeth on each side of the coupler, it squashed in there tight enough, most times it can still run a bit until enough wears away...

that noise could also be from a cracked coupler, slipping on the shafts

whenever possible I get the heavy duty couplers with the metal for the shafts, and the reinforced union....


Post# 1043379 , Reply# 18   8/31/2019 at 10:56 (1,644 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Could be an electrical-related problem developing. The speed switches on these are known to sometimes go wonky and cause constant motor clicking. Could also be a loose wire in the motor harness, or a timer problem.


Post# 1043400 , Reply# 19   8/31/2019 at 14:19 (1,644 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I've decided to change the motor coupling. Even if it's good, it's going to go eventually. Thanks Martin for the offer and info.


Post# 1043402 , Reply# 20   8/31/2019 at 14:21 (1,644 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Glenn. If the coupling is good, it's gotta' be one of those you mentioned.

 

 


Post# 1043427 , Reply# 21   8/31/2019 at 20:11 (1,644 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Ordered.

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Supposedly the best around. Cheap.

 

 

 

 



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Post# 1043817 , Reply# 22   9/4/2019 at 15:04 (1,640 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I decided to change the "dogs" as well.

 

Knob has been replaced, but damn, they couldn't make it anymore complicated.

Below is the video of the whole convoluted process:

 




 

 

 

 

 


Post# 1043952 , Reply# 23   9/6/2019 at 02:11 (1,638 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Remember when you could change knobs by just pulling the old one off and pushing the new one back on!SILLY design!

Post# 1043953 , Reply# 24   9/6/2019 at 02:20 (1,638 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Absolutely Rex!

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And remember you could also just unscrew some of them counter clockwise. Without a doubt, a step backwards for Whirlpool.


Post# 1127251 , Reply# 25   8/30/2021 at 12:51 (914 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well finally getting around in replacing the agitator dogs and the motor coupling. Pictures to follow. 


Post# 1127373 , Reply# 26   8/31/2021 at 18:26 (913 days old) by tim90650 (Greater Los Angeles area)        
I bought one before

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With the matching electric dryer version, for my sister in Utah, used for $175. They were quiet but a hose broke after sometime and flooded the kitchen of their second floor duplex, thank goodness for renters insurance. If I remember correctly the spray rinse started at the same time as the spin. I kind of thought that was effective.

Post# 1127405 , Reply# 27   9/1/2021 at 03:23 (912 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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It's been a workhorse Tim. In constant use for 16 years.


Post# 1127452 , Reply# 28   9/1/2021 at 14:32 (912 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well this is embarrassing. See kids this is what happens when you don't clean out the fabric softener cup in a year.

Ken3

 

The dogs were beginning to shear off pieces.

Ken4

 

Ken5

 


Post# 1127454 , Reply# 29   9/1/2021 at 14:40 (912 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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After a good cleaning.

Ken6

 

Ken7

 

Ken8

 

Ken9


Post# 1127455 , Reply# 30   9/1/2021 at 14:53 (912 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
The motor coupling.

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Ken10

 

Notice how much larger/robust the replacement coupling is compared to the original.

Ken11

 

Piece of cake.

Ken12

 

I ordered some minor parts. Hinge brackets (WP21097) and a Lid seal (WP8054939).


Post# 1127679 , Reply# 31   9/3/2021 at 22:33 (910 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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New OEM Lid Seal Part #WP8054939 8054939

Ken13

 

On order: OEM Lid Hinge Pad Part #WP21097

Ken14

 

 

 

 


Post# 1127680 , Reply# 32   9/3/2021 at 22:36 (910 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I did a temporary lid bypass to see how the machine is washing now with the new dogs. Video to follow.

Ken15


Post# 1127730 , Reply# 33   9/4/2021 at 16:07 (909 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
On order.

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While not a OEM water inlet valve, I trust the Robert Shaw name. For reference the original valve part # WP3979346. It still works fine, just replacing it due to age.

 

 


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Post# 1127810 , Reply# 34   9/5/2021 at 12:48 (908 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
An oddity.

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I usually wash warm wash/warm rinse. I noticed last night that while the warm wash fills correctly, now there is no warm rinse, it's cold only. Could the water inlet valve be going bad? Or perhaps the water temperature switch?


Post# 1127811 , Reply# 35   9/5/2021 at 12:50 (908 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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yours may fall in the series where the spin spray is warm, but the rinse fill is cold...

a little trickery they threw in there.....


Post# 1127812 , Reply# 36   9/5/2021 at 12:53 (908 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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No Martin, it has always filled up in warm water for rinse.


Post# 1128026 , Reply# 37   9/8/2021 at 05:15 (905 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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From what I've read, it seems that it is indeed the water temperature switch. I am going to check it with a meter to to be sure. If it's bad, it will be an easy replacement, IF I can find the part. So far it's NLA.

 

Part #WP661615 (7 positions).


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Post# 1128060 , Reply# 38   9/8/2021 at 16:00 (905 days old) by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio)        
Louis

I feel your pain

I bought this Maytag in 2009 when they came out with load sensing. I wanted one modern machine to use.

This has been very good with the exception of this switch. This switch controls water temp and load sensing (water level) on this machine. Everything worked well for the first ten years, then it decided that all rinses would be tap hot water.

I've replaced this switch 3 times now. The current switch has been good for the last year so fingers crossed.

Don't give up, but try to find a genuine FSP switch if possible.

Bill


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Post# 1128062 , Reply# 39   9/8/2021 at 16:19 (905 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Bill. I have located a few used ones, but still no new switches. I was a bit surprised this part was no longer available.

 

Ken16


Post# 1128384 , Reply# 40   9/11/2021 at 19:58 (902 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
substitute switch?

Perhaps another switch that fits similar models that may have less temps available could be used in place of an exact match? It would mean the template doesn't match but I'm guessing the wiring would hopefully match up.

Post# 1128422 , Reply# 41   9/12/2021 at 05:23 (901 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hi Paul. No I couldn't go that route. It would drive me nuts. It has to work as intended.

 

I have discovered that the model # prior to this one WP3950344 is more readily available, but only used. I'll keep searching.

 

The new water inlet valve has arrived. I'll be installing that next.


Post# 1128440 , Reply# 42   9/12/2021 at 12:08 (901 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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My mistake. The part number for this washer IS WP3950344.

 

The rinse water starts filling warm, as selected. Within a minute the hot water is switched off and the cold water continues until fill. The switch checked out OK with the multimeter.

 

Ken17


Post# 1128442 , Reply# 43   9/12/2021 at 12:27 (901 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Hey Louie

drop the "WP" off the part number.....I seem to be finding them all over the place....


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Post# 1128443 , Reply# 44   9/12/2021 at 12:33 (901 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Oh yeah Martin I have done that. You find a lot of used ones, but no new ones. That's the problem.


Post# 1128445 , Reply# 45   9/12/2021 at 12:50 (901 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Could the little ATC board be involved in this warm/cold rinse problem?


Post# 1128448 , Reply# 46   9/12/2021 at 13:16 (901 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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You mean the board next to the switch? It was partially disengaged. I reseated it and tried the washer, same issue.


Post# 1128450 , Reply# 47   9/12/2021 at 15:18 (901 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)        

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My Kenmore 80 Series washer from 2000 does the same thing with the warm/warm rinse. I read the owner's manual and it states that the warm rinse temperature will be cooler "than what we're used to". From what I have seen, none of these late 90's or early 2000's washers due a true warm rinse. This applies with and without the ATC.

Post# 1128461 , Reply# 48   9/12/2021 at 17:24 (901 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Thanks Matt

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This is from the owners manual, indeed the rinse "warm" temperature is cooler than the wash "warm" temperature. However, the rinse in my machine is cold. No matter if you use the manual setting or the ATC.

I am going to bite the bullet and order a used temperature control switch. I'll be installing the water inlet valve later tonight.

 

Ken18


Post# 1128466 , Reply# 49   9/12/2021 at 18:02 (901 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)        

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Well keep us posted if that works. Could it be the ATC temp. control switch? Maybe it's since that's electronic, the components wore out? What about the temperature sensor?

Post# 1128468 , Reply# 50   9/12/2021 at 18:13 (901 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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What's the temperature of your tap-cold?


Post# 1128549 , Reply# 51   9/13/2021 at 14:00 (900 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Will do Matt!


Post# 1128552 , Reply# 52   9/13/2021 at 14:16 (900 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Glenn

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Cold water is 70F.

 

Hot water is 120F.

 

Temperatures vary widely. In the winter cold comes out ice cold, and depending on the time of day, the hot water can come out like lava. Really depends how many idiots are running dishwashers and washing machines without check valves. I usually run the dishwasher after 10PM because that is when the water is at it's hottest.


Post# 1128569 , Reply# 53   9/13/2021 at 16:45 (900 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Apparently there is it .... your cited info says warm rinse is 70F-ish ... so the tap-cold currently isn't low enough to trigger any hot mixing. If it was providing a warmer rinse previously to 9/5/2021 Reply #34 then ??


Post# 1128571 , Reply# 54   9/13/2021 at 17:38 (900 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Aha. Glenn, that must be it. I remember the warm water rinse because the fill flow was stronger. It must have been during the cooler months when the cold water temps are lower. Thanks! 


Post# 1128581 , Reply# 55   9/13/2021 at 18:46 (900 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Old water inlet valve:

Ken19

 

Ken20

 

New valve:

Ken21

 

Ken22

 

Since the cabinet is off, might as well put in some sound mats.

Ken23


Post# 1128582 , Reply# 56   9/13/2021 at 18:47 (900 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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All that's left now is to take a wash video, then it gets swapped out for the Speed Queen.


Post# 1128587 , Reply# 57   9/13/2021 at 19:27 (900 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)        

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Excellent point about the warm rinse only activating when the water temperature is colder than 70F. I wonder why they designed it like that. You would think with the non ATC warm/warm it would let both hot and cold in continuously.

Nice job restoring the Speed Queen. I love my TC5. I have a ton of videos on my channel including my DD Kenmore.








Post# 1128679 , Reply# 58   9/14/2021 at 20:06 (899 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Matt, I'd LOVE to get a TC5 one of these days! I now believe they're the last good top loader washers on the market today. But, I think I may end up going for a front loader instead because I'm a bit concerned that water restrictions may take place in my area soon since I live in the 2nd driest state in the country.

Post# 1128684 , Reply# 59   9/14/2021 at 20:44 (899 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN)        
Alex

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I heard SQ may be discounting the TC5 soon. Hope that's not true.

Post# 1128685 , Reply# 60   9/14/2021 at 20:56 (899 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Actually I got word the other day that SQ suspended manufacturing of the TR3, DR3, FF7, DF7, and the SF7. The TC5 is still being made from my understanding.

Post# 1128873 , Reply# 61   9/16/2021 at 23:35 (896 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Full wash cycle:

 





Post# 1128875 , Reply# 62   9/17/2021 at 01:27 (896 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Panssonicvac

Where did you hear about SQ suspending the building of these models and why?
Mike


Post# 1128896 , Reply# 63   9/17/2021 at 08:51 (896 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Mike, I don't know if it has any relation to Alex's comment above ... but Kirk Rivas of Appliance Associates in Austin TX said in the live chat on a video dated 9/9/2021 that SQ told him that they are focusing on TR7 and TC5, so TR5 and TR3 will be difficult to find and frontloaders even moreso.




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Post# 1128959 , Reply# 64   9/18/2021 at 00:08 (895 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Last wash before it goes to its new home.

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Short video of the Heavy Duty speed. Double super (wash only) cycles @ 16 minutes each. Cleaning with Affresh tablets.

 





Post# 1129131 , Reply# 65   9/20/2021 at 08:37 (893 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Replaced lid hinge pads.

Ken24

 

I can't think of anything else that would need checking/replacing on this machine. I opened up the water pump, it was perfectly clean.

 

To be honest while I am happy with the Speed Queen, this Kenmore has a bigger capacity and far more wash options. The Heavy Duty cycle is specially impressive. The only thing I think the Speed Queen has is a superior spin speed.


Post# 1129132 , Reply# 66   9/20/2021 at 08:52 (893 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Warm Rinse

We had a 98 Kenmore DD that did not have ATC and it would do the true warm rinses. My grandparents' 99 Kenmore DD with ATC would always do the 75F warm rinse even if non-ATC was selected. The switch to the cooler warm rinses occurred somewhere in that time frame. Just glad we didn't have a machine that limited the warm rinse temps, or was an energy star model with really low wash temps.

Post# 1129174 , Reply# 67   9/20/2021 at 18:47 (893 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Louie

I had a similar Kenmore but older before this console came out.
Before my Kenmore I had a GE Filter Flo.
Now Ive had SQ for the last 13 years.

I thought I needed that fast chugga chugga agitation in order to get big loads clean.
I prefer the agitation of the SQ or Filter Flo. / Ramped agitator.
Much less twisting and easier on clothing.
I think youll grow to enjoy it in time as it has similar agitation, maybe a bit more aggressive than your Maytag.
Mike


Post# 1129191 , Reply# 68   9/21/2021 at 05:03 (892 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey Mike,

I have to agree, clothes would sometimes come out terribly twisted and tangled. Another great feature the Kenmore had was it's "Hand Wash" cycle. Ultra slow agitation, slow spin. I have no regrets with the Speed Queen. Just going to take a bit to get used to.



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