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Thread Number: 80468
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Scientific view on (US) washers |
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Post# 1044339 9/9/2019 at 18:10 (1,684 days old) by henene4  (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Post# 1044435 , Reply# 1 9/10/2019 at 14:00 (1,683 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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| Post# 1044437 , Reply# 2 9/10/2019 at 14:19 (1,683 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 1044442 , Reply# 4 9/10/2019 at 15:11 (1,683 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1044444 , Reply# 5 9/10/2019 at 15:22 (1,683 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Didn't mention bubble action nor that detergents also suspend dirt in water, or that fabrics are not like non porous surfaces which can be cleaned well with sonic waves either. | ||
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Post# 1044452 , Reply# 6 9/10/2019 at 16:08 (1,683 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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The best part what when she mentioned that with knowledge like this we might better maximize our water and energy efficiency. Life always improves with understanding!
The word for the day was worth a few minute dig too :)
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Post# 1044457 , Reply# 7 9/10/2019 at 17:01 (1,683 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I suppose I should feel less...secure...about using the Normal/Eco cycle with its spray rinses, but I don't. My clothes, bedding, towels, etc., don't appear dirty; or have an off-smell; nor have I gotten sick using kitchen whites that have had only spray rinses.
Video was interesting, though, and I'm certainly not arguing with the science involved with rinsing. In fact, I watched the next one on fabric brighteners, which led to a TED Talk on psychopathic behavior. So nearly an hour well spent, then. YouTube: The occasionally enlightening rabbit hole. | ||
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Post# 1044462 , Reply# 8 9/10/2019 at 17:47 (1,683 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Re: Reply#7
I find your post interesting and affirming based on my own recent experience.
In April my Maytag Centennial TL, which I had been so pleased with developed a bad bearing and it sounded like it was going to go into orbit every time it went into a spin. Finally, in June it got to the point where it sometimes wasn’t extracting as much water as it used to and I couldn’t tolerate the noise anymore. The repair was going to cost at least $300.00. So I said screw it, and bought a new Roper RTW4516FW2, for just a little more that it would have cost to repair the Maytag. This machine will fill right to the top row of holes in the tub if I select Deep Wash, and performs just exactly like an old school TL. But I hate to waste water if I can help it. So, to get around to my point I thought why not give the Regular/Normal cycle with auto sense fill and no extra rinse a try? If I wasn’t pleased I just wouldn’t use this cycle again. Well, much to my surprise, the clothes came out even cleaner with the lower water level and spray rinse! I attribute this to the improved HE detergents that have minimal suds and allow the detergent to be more concentrated, thereby doing a better job removing stains, especially oil stains. We use cloth napkins for dinner everyday, and they almost always have a few spots of salad dressing on them, and they come out completely spot free. And even with just the spray rinse, there is no residual detergent, no off odors and this washer extracts so well that the clothes dry in 20 to 45 mins, depending upon the weight of the fabric and size of the load. And best of all the Normal/Regular cycle with auto sense fill and no extra rinse, hot water wash finishes in 35 mins flat! So I now can wash and dry 3 loads of laundry in 2 1/2 hrs, start to finish. I would have never believed this to be possible, but it is. Sometimes they do get new technology right. The combination of the lower water level, an good agitator and good HE detergent really does the trick. I am far more pleased with this BOL inexpensive washer than I ever was with the LG FL I had about 4 years ago, it was a real time waster and a PITA. I am under no illusion that this washer will last forever, nothing these days has the build quality of yore. But I sure will enjoy this bargain basement machine while it lasts, and I wouldn’t hesitate to replace it with another should it ever become necessary. Oh, and I saved the lid latch from the old Maytag, so I’ve been able to leave the lid open to watch the performance, and even with the auto sense fill lower water level the clothes still turn over and with the deep fill they roll over just like they do in any old school TL, but the cycle takes about 75 mins, because of the long fill times for the wash and rinse. The posts and videos by Eugene of Lorraine furniture are what made me consider this machine and I thank him for these. They were very helpful. Eddie This post was last edited 09/10/2019 at 18:07 | ||
| Post# 1044464 , Reply# 9 9/10/2019 at 18:17 (1,683 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Nose Ring
Henrik,
I respect you as you are a very smart young man. But at 64 years old, I try to keep a open mind. But what these people do with ink, piercings, an other means of what I call abusing their Body, I will never understand. Just old, set in my ways and will never understand it. When I see a handsome young man, with a perfectly sculpted body and beautiful skin, when they cover their arms, face, neck and where ever, I just cringe and cannot get it. | ||
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Post# 1044467 , Reply# 10 9/10/2019 at 18:49 (1,683 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Eddie (ea56): I’m glad you’re finding the spray rinses work pretty well, too! Sometimes I wash huge loads; those get a deep rinse. But small-to-medium large loads that were not bleached get spray rinses. Honestly, I can’t tell the difference in the finished product. Congrats on your new (and enticingly inexpensive) Roper! I saw the Amana version at the local Whirlpool/Maytag/KitchenAid dealership. They were tagged at $375 for each (washer and dryer). I was impressed with the performance in Eugene’s videos as well.
Eddie (toploader55): Interestingly, the same girl wasn’t wearing a nose ring in the fabric brightener video. However, she was wearing a woolie. Maybe the production team told her it would have to be one or the other, LOL. | ||
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Post# 1044504 , Reply# 11 9/11/2019 at 07:01 (1,682 days old) by Sudsomatic (Indiana) |
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Dirt can't hide from Intensified Tide Thanks for the link henene, that was fascinating. Something you don't think about.. you just feel as if you know, but I actually didn't.
It's funny because one of the first things that came to mind was this old Tide commercial
I bought an old box of Intensified Tide as a gift for my 806 Maytag last year and did some research on it to learn more about the difference from regular Tide (from that era) finding this commercial. As I watched it I couldn't help but think "Would the tucked sleeve really come out dirty being washed with regular detergent?" After watching the commercial a few times Tide made me a believer in the Intensified formula and wondered why they ever discontinued it.
Now I see that it likely would have come clean regardless.
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| Post# 1044583 , Reply# 13 9/11/2019 at 20:42 (1,682 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
 I've run a very unscientific experiments with my Speed Queen on the Normal/Eco cycle. I've washed a couple of loads on the medium water level and allowed the cycle to spray rinse the loads. Both times, I then ran it through the Rinse/Spin cycle on medium. Both times, the rinse water in the Rinse/Spin was quite clear, which leads me to believe that Normal/Eco does a pretty decent job of rinsing small loads.
If I understood this video correctly, a deep bath rinse is necessary to completely CLEAN the laundry. | ||
| Post# 1044785 , Reply# 14 9/13/2019 at 15:31 (1,680 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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It sounds like the more water after a wash with detergent, the better, at least up to a point. It doesn't have to be a long rinse but more water will remove the dirt better. I like an extra rinse and spin with all of my loads so I do three rinses after my washes. | ||
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Post# 1044897 , Reply# 16 9/14/2019 at 20:20 (1,679 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Sat down and watched video, though don't see anything that would limit the presentation to "US" washing machine only.
That being said one knew much of what was stated already, and presume others past and present did as well. Even if we didn't know all of the science and so forth. As one has repeatedly stated, rinsing is a process of dilution which by nature must take place using significantly more water than for washing. Whether one prefers using copious amounts of fresh water (immersion), and or frequent changes using smaller amounts (as H-axis machines often do), the introduction of fresh water is needed to complete the laundering process. We know from college and or high school science classes that diffusion is movement of something from an area of high concentration to low. The forces which cause said movement are varied, but never the less it still takes place. | ||
| Post# 1044956 , Reply# 17 9/15/2019 at 07:38 (1,678 days old) by ladd (Maryland) | ||
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Re: spray rinse vs "fill" rinse Re: spray rinse vs "fill" rinse On my new SQ TC5000, the ECO/Normal cycle uses a spray rinse. BUT, if you add the option of an extra rinse, the spray rinse doesn't happen; you get two filled rinses. | ||
| Post# 1044972 , Reply# 18 9/15/2019 at 09:47 (1,678 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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