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Post# 1049762   11/3/2019 at 10:18 (1,580 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Is there a way to prevent them?

Often the load is unbalanced and I can't always rescue my washer, thumping and banging from the beating it takes from an unbalanced load in time...

And usually it's the OTHER SIDE of the tub the load of laundry is impaled against, so how funny it is to get a good shot of the entire load stopped against the side of the tub over HERE:

-- Dave

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Post# 1049763 , Reply# 1   11/3/2019 at 10:24 (1,580 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        
Is there a way to prevent them?

Use the proper water level for the load.


Wash like-weighted fabrics together.


Wash full loads.

Post# 1049766 , Reply# 2   11/3/2019 at 10:39 (1,580 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I bet your neutral drain function isn't working.  It's spinning as it's draining the water, which can cause this, especially if you're using too much water for the size load.  If this is a Kenmore, it should have an OOB.  

Post# 1049769 , Reply# 3   11/3/2019 at 10:47 (1,580 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Guys, what should I do?

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Yes, that neutral drain often begins with a groan, and I often coax the spin by opening the lid and closing to initiate or resume proper functioning...

Too much water for the load? Meet Mr. Paranoid about being sure all the soap gets rinsed out as he is doubtful unless he soaps a lot the clothes won’t get clean—and that thing about rollover: I watch like a hawk adding more water and ever fueling my bad laundry habits...

— Dave

Post# 1049774 , Reply# 4   11/3/2019 at 12:18 (1,580 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
What should do ?

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Stop forcing the washer to spin, let it drain the lint and dirt out of the clothing and let the clothing settle evenly in the basket, forcing a spin with water in the basket causes poor rinsing.


You should also wash larger loads and from the look of the crud stain on the agitator you need to use some combination of Hotter wash water, more or better detergent, if you are not dissolving and suspending all the dirt in the wash cycle it is IMPOSSIBLE  to rinse clothing properly as the dirt and scum still remain in your clothing.


Hi Glenn, KM DD Washers like this do not have out of balance cut off switches., only a few Catalyst and TOL electronic DD KMWs had this cut out switch.


John L.

Post# 1049776 , Reply# 5   11/3/2019 at 13:10 (1,580 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)        

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If you’re that worried about rinsing, use an extra rinse if your machine has it or do one manually after the cycle, while using an appropriate water level to prevent the out of balance condition

Post# 1049779 , Reply# 6   11/3/2019 at 13:36 (1,580 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
is your washer spin drain or neutral drain?

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Is your washer spin drain design or the neutral drain? kind if its spin drain i would try the following let it spin drain the water and lint out then open the washer lid thats stop the spin and then replace the clothes by hand and then let it resume spin?

Post# 1049785 , Reply# 7   11/3/2019 at 14:31 (1,580 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
With all due respect

Your washing machine is filthy.

Post# 1049792 , Reply# 8   11/3/2019 at 15:29 (1,580 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Seen this before

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It was due to rust in the water supply and an old hot water tank/heater I was at a friends who had not used his washer in a long while as always at work so me being me and there all day decided to wash some whites I have to say I was not impressed when everything came our a pale shade of orange....


Post# 1049838 , Reply# 9   11/3/2019 at 21:11 (1,580 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

If you are opening and closing the lid while the machine is attempting to drain you are causing the machine to prematurely go into spin before all the water has drained out of the tub. This can cause the machine to slosh the load to one side while trying to go into spin. Leave the machine alone and let it empty completely and allow it to shift over into spin correctly. Your load should remain balanced a lot better.

Post# 1049859 , Reply# 10   11/4/2019 at 00:27 (1,579 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
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Okay, all of your pointers are appreciated and well-taken, so thank you all for your guidance and suggestions of each each way has been a positive way...

Now, off the top, the first step:

Cleaning that dirty tub!

I couldn’t find a small packet of Lemi-Shine that I had seen months ago and probably should have bought, but here is something although expensive, probably a lot better:

Three packets, mandatory use of hot water, so question is how high of a water level should I go? How long should the timer be on, and I would reckon the fast agitation and fast spin would also be recommended...

Let me know before I start...

— Dave

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Post# 1049873 , Reply# 11   11/4/2019 at 06:29 (1,579 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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NO, NO, NO.....your machine lacks any sort of Self-Clean feature what-so-ever...

no high water level is going to fix that filthy of a machine....short of taking a power washer to the whole thing....

I cannot conceive of you being a member of AWO and allowing a machine to get that far gone.....Helen Keller knew it needed cleaned with more than just W-A-T-E-R!!!

bottom line....ELBOW GREASE!!!

your going to need a few things.....and dropping in a tablet and running away isn't one of them.....that is, IF, and thats a BIG IF your going to do it right!!!

that cabinet needs to come off....the agitator needs to come out....the splash shield and balance ring need to come off for starters....

-Purple Cleaner
-Bathroom cleaner with Bleach

a few cleaning cloths, toothbrush, and an assortment of scrubbers will be helps if they actually touch the surfaces...

I have an a thread with pics of your progress in action....

in the end, you may have a machine that will CLEAN your clothes rather than make them dirtier then when they went in...

Post# 1049879 , Reply# 12   11/4/2019 at 07:09 (1,579 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
More suggestions needed--operator is standing by!

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Well, literally, you all just make me want to--THROW IN THE TOWEL!!!!

That much work to use a washer, and then after a lifetime of my mother just doing my laundry for me, and simply saying clothes get clean and a washer lasts by simply NOT overloading, hence carrying on tradition of her philosophy and nothing more, whereas all that hard labor you guys are capable of making second nature?


-- Dave

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Post# 1049882 , Reply# 13   11/4/2019 at 07:57 (1,579 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say it's not THAT bad! I've seen worse and guess what the clothes still came clean! Anyway on the original topic, let the machine neutral drain on it's own before spinning, use lower water levels for small loads and larger loads actually balance better. The load you pictured above could have easily been washed on the smallest load size setting, and a full load should be loaded loosely to the top of the tub. I usually add another item or 2 and it does just fine. You aren't going to kill the washer by washing full or even slightly overloaded loads.

Post# 1049883 , Reply# 14   11/4/2019 at 07:58 (1,579 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Suppose some of us are still in the lifelong process of learning to accept different lifestyles. So am I. Sorry for checkrating the comment about your washer without giving it much thought.

Post# 1049888 , Reply# 15   11/4/2019 at 08:20 (1,579 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
So here goes: (Good luck! (?) G-d bless!)

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Tub filled to the max, washin’ hot, agitatin’ ‘n spinnin’ fast!!!!

— Dave

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Post# 1050018 , Reply# 16   11/5/2019 at 12:29 (1,578 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
More AMKrayoRehabilitation in the Laundry Room!

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Okay, here is the nearly-full-sized load up to the water level’s maximum High, and even threw in a few of my clothes with what’s mostly the wife and mainly the kid’s stuff...

I quit using my Delicate wash cycle with the exception of a few whatever “dainty” things, we have around here, as my daughter’s friend has a dog, and her family is pet sitting a terrarium of gerbils, so I always wince and wrinkle my nose every time that I come over picking up/dropping my daughter off and she finally said that her clothes smell like her friend’s dog (& here she is wanting and begging us to buy her one, or some other pet like those gerbils, a rabbit or a hamster (but often a cat is tempting me)...

Wash and Rinse with a good detergent, and even Drying, shown:

— Dave

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Post# 1050019 , Reply# 17   11/5/2019 at 12:52 (1,578 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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That's too much water IMO.  Even the lower level on pics 10 & 11 for the rinse.

Sun is not a "good" detergent.  :-)

Post# 1050132 , Reply# 18   11/7/2019 at 01:11 (1,576 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
“Say “When”!!!!”

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Well, maybe this—the clothes get clean and smell fresh...

Also, what detergent should I be using?

— Dave

Post# 1050156 , Reply# 19   11/7/2019 at 10:25 (1,576 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
More AMKrayoKoaching:

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Well, okay, here is a full load with a different detergent with the water level set where I’d left it, and this soap is cheap stuff from Walmart...

Also using warm water for the wash, mommy and baby’s stuff (which will be an Always) with “something” (Ahem!) added in...

— Dave

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Post# 1050157 , Reply# 20   11/7/2019 at 10:36 (1,576 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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The Rinse: (extra needed?)

— Dave

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Post# 1050179 , Reply# 21   11/7/2019 at 15:46 (1,576 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Dave,

Ignoring the surface dirt on the machine, is that Mould/black slime poking out between the Plastic tub ring and the top of the washbowl? If you scrape it with a fingernail, does it come off?

How hot is your hot water? Is it 140deg in the Laundry or only 120 because you have a small child? If a tear down isnt on the cards, I would fill the machine with 140deg water (You might need to turn the thermostat up on the tank for 3-4 hours before you fill), add a two to three cups of pool chlorine, let it agitate with the lid up until it would normally drain and then leave it sit overnight. I would use a bucket or a hose to add hot water to just barely cover the top of the washbowl. Dont get the water level that high that it touches the plastic tub ring. Make sure there are no clothes nearby when its washing as splashes will damage the fabric.

Restart the cycle to the begining and let it run all the way through with an extra rinse, and then wash a load of rags with regular detergent. You'll probably find the rags come out covered in black/brown specs, which is the mould and slime from the outer tub.

If that black stuff on the top of the bowl doesnt scrape off, then I apologise.

Post# 1050190 , Reply# 22   11/7/2019 at 17:08 (1,576 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Please do not take offence

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But doesn't anyone ever clean the outside of the washer and remove all the dust and stuff off the parts that clothing rubs against?

Maybe its just me but I wipe mine over most weeks


Post# 1050207 , Reply# 23   11/7/2019 at 19:03 (1,576 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I agree, how do you expect the clothes to come clean when the machine is dirty. Wipe down the bleach dispenser, lid opening and tub ring to remove all the crud. I usually do this to mine every month or so just so nothing gets built up. If you take care of your machine, it will take care of you!

Post# 1050249 , Reply# 24   11/7/2019 at 23:47 (1,575 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Extra rinse needed?

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Then it's so ordered:

Anyway I've seem to have followed nearly all advice here, I have refrained from being near the machine at or during any of its draining periods, and no unbalanced loads, either...

I think the laundry comes out satisfactorily but if not, then I will try the rag test that brisnat81 recommended...

I think despite the results of using my washer cleaner being embarrassingly as the machine was before, I did okay, other than, perhaps I should have rubbed that dirty spot with a rag during that washing, then...

So, thanks, then, and I will see if I can someday attempt to dismantle my entire unit and hopefully get her back together again and running as perfectly and better...

-- Dave

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Post# 1050256 , Reply# 25   11/8/2019 at 04:29 (1,575 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Still more water than necessary.  Your loads aren't as large as you think.  Rapid, frantic rollover is overrated, with items spending mere seconds at a time at the oscillating lower fins, compared to a leisurely roll having the items spend a minute or even a couple down there before moving on up.

The little load pictured above, the lowest level or a little more, maybe 9:00 to 9:30 position, is sufficient.

Sun, Xtra, and other low-cost liquid detergents have a larger proportion of water in the formula ... adds volume and reduces the concentration of cleaning ingredients (lower production cost).  Low-cost powders have a lot of washing soda (sodium carbonate) which can contribute to harsh-feeling fabric.  These products also may have only one type of enzyme or none at all.

Pinol Ensueno powder has no enzymes.
- Sodium Sulfate (filler), a sodium salt of sulfuric acid
- Sodium Alkylbenzene Sulfonate (cleaning agent), an anionic surfactant
- Sodium Silicate (builder), composed of quartz sand and soda ash, aka water glass (soluble in water)
- Sodium Carbonate (builder), an alkaline sodium and carbon salt, aka washing soda
- Active Poly Sodium Metasilicate (builder), a non-phosphorus detergent/water softener
- Fragrance
- Disodium Distyrylbiphenyl Disulfonate (optical brightener), a dye that absorbs UV light and reflects blue light

Does someone in the household have skin sensitivity such that you can't use enzyme detergents?

Witness the gray scum-line on your agitator ... that's scrud (combination of laundry soil and mineral content from the water) that isn't held suspended in the wash water to be flushed away, and thus sticks to the agitator (and the basket) at the water line. This occurs with low-quality detergents (not handling the water conditions and soils), and too-low of detergent dosage can be a factor.

What you see on the surface *may* (or may not) be much worse accumulation on the outside of the basket and inside of the outer tub, where it can't be seen without disassembly.  Although that's not unusual for the typical washer.  The outer tub is translucent so scrud/gray/black residue sticking to it can be seen if the outer cabinet is removed ... if you're up to doing that.

Consider Arm & Hammer, All, Gain, and Tide Simply Clean (yellow bottle).

Good Housekeeping 2019 Best Detergents

If you want some extra rinsing without involving the full 2nd/Extra Rinse option, run the Perm Press cycle.  It adds a partial-drain and refill for the cool down before the first spin, which also functions as a sort-of rinse.

This is a perfectly fine leisurely rollover at low speed (not ex-low).  Set of sheets plus a bedspread.  Everything moves down, spends plenty time at the fins where the cleaning takes place.  High speed of course would be more aggressive and/or the wash time could be longer at 14 or 16 mins instead of 12 mins, but not really necessary for the load.

Post# 1050270 , Reply# 26   11/8/2019 at 07:51 (1,575 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Fighting for the Underdog Detergents!

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Yes, for what the “budget brands” I had bought such a slew of could forge into the usual competition of Tide vs. Gain, of which, one and one only, ferret out just one scent!

No, no detergent allergies, and as for water level, I will be continuously clueless where to set until I buy one of those fancy, new-fangled front loaders that just automatically set the right one for you...

Now let’s go out washer shopping and bring back the days of the Westinghouse slant front, as in the 21st century (LG, Samsung, or Haier?) answer to...

— Dave


Post# 1050641 , Reply# 27   11/11/2019 at 07:30 (1,572 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Okay, need to bath linen and other miscellaneous towels? Can my little washer do all this:...?

Where should the water level be set at? I want the load to be good for washing it in, as well as good for itself...

Operator is standing by...

— Dave

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Post# 1050655 , Reply# 28   11/11/2019 at 09:30 (1,572 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I'm assuming those are two different loads of towels because of the color grouping.  Each of those two loads would be full enough.  Put water level on highest water level.  Are you going to use the sturdy/heavy duty agitation of Normal/Fast or the Regular speed setting of Slow agitation/Fast spin?  

Post# 1050661 , Reply# 29   11/11/2019 at 09:50 (1,572 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Bath Towel Load

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Thats only one load and not a maximum one at that, Wash in at least 120 water with a full dose of good detergent.

John L.

Post# 1050676 , Reply# 30   11/11/2019 at 11:30 (1,572 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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THREE loads: The huge green ones and the blue set, plus the smaller misc. stack...


Going on tonight... (Stay Tuned!)




-- Dave

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Post# 1050681 , Reply# 31   11/11/2019 at 11:56 (1,572 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Dave, your washer isn't as "little" as you seem to believe.

There's no need to split that into three loads.

Bit tricky to judge the size of those towels but this (white outline) probably constitutes a full load.

That other little pile looks like kitchen linens?  I'd put the dark piece(s) with the other piles and either 1) wait for more white kitchen stuff to accumulate, or 2) if the stuff is urgently needed, go ahead and do it (SMALLest load, which it's not even that), WITH bleach.

The best way to get a consensus opinion on your load size / water level selection is take a video of the machine washing and post it to YouTube so we can SEE how it's operating.

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Post# 1050687 , Reply# 32   11/11/2019 at 12:29 (1,572 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Oh my...
It`s not that difficult to set the correct water level in a TL.
First you drop your clothes loosely and unfolded into the tub. Then you press them down with your hands, but not too hard.
Next you fill the washer at maximum load setting and keep a eye on the water level.
As soon as your clothes are completely covered with water (or maybe an inch or two more for good measure) you slowly turn the water level selector towards the small size setting until filling stops.
Now you have the perfect setting for your load size. You`ll learn and adapt quickly and soon you`ll find the perfect setting without any guesswork.

Towels BTW are usually color fast and unless they are brand new or white there shouldn`t be any need to separate them by colors.

Post# 1050688 , Reply# 33   11/11/2019 at 12:33 (1,572 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I always include a microfiber cloth with each load then use it to wipe everything down when the load is done. 

Post# 1050703 , Reply# 34   11/11/2019 at 14:38 (1,572 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

That washer should be able to handle 8 large bath towels without breaking a sweat.

Post# 1050707 , Reply# 35   11/11/2019 at 15:15 (1,572 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

A steam cleaner there would make wonders.

I don't understand why keep the washer so dirty after so many people mentioned it.

If it was me, I'd immediately manicure it and post a picture of it pristine.

I didn't really understand why (maybe you explained it before but I didn't have the chance to see it) but i'm sure you have a good reason to have all those writings and stickers on the control panel.

Post# 1050799 , Reply# 36   11/12/2019 at 07:43 (1,571 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Well, that small pile of clothes shouldn’t have gotten circled... Those are my wife’s and daughter’s that weren’t going to be included...

The washer filled and started agitating in no time, so I hope I’m getting this right...

Okay, if I can find something to wash that agitator that will actually clean it and the rest of the surroundings and can take the time, then I will...

So here are those two piles of bath linens I had to quickly do, as I have to work today, and want to get my work clothes done next:

— Dave

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Post# 1050801 , Reply# 37   11/12/2019 at 07:53 (1,571 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Oops, missed the Rinse! The load is actually done:

And that third pile of linen will go back in the basket and wait for more to accumulate...

(Yes, the washer had to be a Kenmore (house came with) and if so, I wanted a LETTERS machine!)

— Dave

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Post# 1050802 , Reply# 38   11/12/2019 at 07:58 (1,571 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Work clothes, consisting of a company-logo’d polo shirt, long sleeve shirt to wear underneath it, apron, and a pair of jeans:

These are washed on the rarely-used Hang Dry (fast agitation, slow spin) and in Cold...

And, it, too, started in no time!

(Note new water level setting)

— Dave

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Post# 1050808 , Reply# 39   11/12/2019 at 09:44 (1,571 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Now a full load of my clothes (a vest I wear at work, a company-logo’d fleece) is also here:

[Edit: Rinse photos added]

— Dave

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Post# 1050820 , Reply# 40   11/12/2019 at 13:19 (1,571 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Water levels are better.  Load in Pic #38 can go all the way on Small.

Avoid the Fast agitation speed for small loads unless they're very dirty and very sturdy fabric.  Fast speed is very aggressive, which is what led to the infamous ShredMore nomer.

Better results and less fabric wear with Slow agitation and a longer wash time.  Slow/Fast is labeled as "Regular" for a reason.

Your machine has a fully variable water level control. As Reply #32 details, you can get a handle on adjusting the level by setting it initially to a higher level than you think is needed.  Press the items down *lightly* (don't stomp with your feet!).  Start the machine filling and watch it.  When the water reaches to the top of the load and a *little* more, turn the level control back toward small until agitation begins.

Wondering why you're not using the ATC temp choices.  You're in MI so tap water is presumably considerably cold this time of year ... which makes for the non-ATC 40% hot / 60% cold Warm temp being kinda cold.  ATC should help moderate it from being too cold.  Same for the ATC Cold setting, which will add some warm so the cold temp isn't too low for detergent to dissolve and be effective.

Post# 1050840 , Reply# 41   11/12/2019 at 17:56 (1,571 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Okay, so use the Auto Temp,—Check!

I forgot about the water level starting out High, then going Low...

As for no longer using Fast Agitation, that will be something I will miss...

I have an old bed spread with a matching pillow case that I quit using it on, but what about bath sets and rags?

All of my laundry on Normal Agitation, then...

Oh, to be mechanically inclined to tear my washer (& dryer—and OTHER APPLIANCES?!) open let alone devote the time—I hate doing yard work...

— Dave

Post# 1051426 , Reply# 42   11/17/2019 at 20:37 (1,566 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
More AMKrayo Koaching in the Laundry:

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Some more loads (wash and rinse) my washer has done:

And I probably still need to get the hang of where the water level's set...

But of which, along with more laundry getting done at once, the washer survives, not in the least of which is the real great news:

NO Unbalanced Loads!!!!

-- Dave

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Post# 1051427 , Reply# 43   11/17/2019 at 20:39 (1,566 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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The clothes (w/ some help from my dryer sheets) do look and smell clean!

— Dave

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Post# 1059357 , Reply# 44   2/1/2020 at 09:36 (1,490 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
My clothes:

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Perfectly loaded in the washer at AMKrayoLaundryLand:

— Dave

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Post# 1059371 , Reply# 45   2/1/2020 at 12:18 (1,490 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Hot wash

Using that cheaper detergent, those towels would love a nice hot wash as long as they have been washed before. It will keep your machine cleaner too! Our old Kenmore would take exactly 10 bath towels. Always ran Heavy Duty agitation for 6 mins with a warm rinse. Always came out clean and fresh.

Post# 1059376 , Reply# 46   2/1/2020 at 13:08 (1,490 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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there should be a SPCA for washing machines....this is like a commercial for neglected appliances...

that machine would choke if HOT was selected....

as usually posted in SS....."Somebody should save that machine!"....

no point in cleaning the machine now, chances are, the grime is what's holding it together!

Post# 1059380 , Reply# 47   2/1/2020 at 14:09 (1,490 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Dave, how has your "one-sided wash load" situation been after tweaking-up your technique via not bypassing neutral drain and/or reducing water levels or correspondingly increasing load size?

Post# 1059386 , Reply# 48   2/1/2020 at 15:50 (1,490 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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As much as I don’t want to be that person that points out what others have here....if the washer is that filthy, imagine what the rest of the house is like. I wouldn’t let a washer get that cruddy and then take a picture of said machine....I would be embarrassed to say the least....but that’s just moi....

Post# 1059466 , Reply# 49   2/2/2020 at 18:04 (1,489 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yes, I’m getting the hang of how much (how LITTLE really) water to use—if only you could see a load of pajamas I did after, actually waiting to go in the dryer I could just do a 2nd Rinse for...

In turn I would like and hope to see my water bill go down...

Unfortunately we are not the greatest house cleaners, so I surely long needed to have gotten someone hired to do for me, or at least taken up with someone who’d long beaten me at the washer use and CARE given it’s only USE (& ABUSES ) that I can do...

— Dave

Post# 1059468 , Reply# 50   2/2/2020 at 19:07 (1,489 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

If you want to see your water bill go down, fill that machine up and wash nice full loads on the highest water setting.  Washing multiple loads at a lower water setting is a waste of water.

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