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Thread Number: 81077
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Kitchenaid Superba Washer Set |
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| Post# 1050905 , Reply# 1 11/13/2019 at 17:17 (1,789 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
Congrats! You now own a very dependable and versatile washer and dryer and for a great price as well. These are approximately 2004 models give or take a year or so. Serial numbers will confirm actual build date. I’m sure they are in great mechanical condition as well with light use as per the situation described. Enjoy!
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Post# 1050909 , Reply# 2 11/13/2019 at 17:47 (1,789 days old) by DADoES  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 KA toploaders are Whirlpool-produced direct-drive machines. KA laundry was discontinued after Whirlpool bought Maytag in 2006 so Maytag could be positioned as the "premium" brand. Don't shy away from using the two SensorSure temp settings ... which moderate the temperatures from being too cold, particularly when tap cold water gets colder in the winter season. Earlier KA washers with 3-speed motors had an agitator with larger lower fins and ran high agitation at the medium motor speed (even though it was labeled as High), low agitation at the lowest speed for better fabric care. The fastest motor speed was used for drain and high-speed spin. I lost track of whether units toward the end of production followed that pattern. Two speed motors would be: High = high agitation, drain, and spin Low = low agitation and spin Low intermittent = hand wash Three speed motors: High = drain and high spin Medium (same as low on a 2-speeder) = high agitation and low spin Low (slower than low on a 2-speeder) = low agitation and ex-low spin Low intermittent = ex-low agitation Yours has Ultra Low speed labeled for the Wool/Handwash fabric setting ... which probably is intermittent agitation at the lowest speed for whichever type of motor it has (2-speed or 3-speed). | ||
| Post# 1050910 , Reply# 3 11/13/2019 at 17:47 (1,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) | ||
Excellent choice....you couldn't have picked a better set.....
with 5 speed combinations, the cycle variations are endless....will fit any and every need you could ever imagine... curious as to which agitator this one would have.... I had the dryer with the windowed door....non the less, you will get excellent drying results and best fabric care....
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Post# 1050913 , Reply# 4 11/13/2019 at 18:20 (1,789 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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That’s a great set, and the price is right. I own that set and my wife loves them | ||
| Post# 1050932 , Reply# 6 11/13/2019 at 20:58 (1,789 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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I currently have a 2002 set of these in the shop that I picked up earlier this year but haven’t checked them out yet. My washer must be one model down from this one. It has one less water temp. and speed selection and does not have the auto temp. It has the same cycles and water level though. The dryer is the same. And to your trailing question in reply 3 the one I have has the white large base agitator so I’m sure this one may as well. My set is not marked Superba either.
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Post# 1050936 , Reply# 7 11/13/2019 at 21:14 (1,789 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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My 1991 760 is tagged as a Superba but has 4 temp combo choices, no extra rinse option, and no speed control (speeds are programmed into the timer cycles). 3-speed motor, turquoise wide-base agitator. Perm Press stepped final spin runs two mins each of all three motor speeds. Separate Pre Wash, and an Extra Wash option leading into Regular that runs a WP vintage-style Super Wash -- a 4-min prewash and a 1/2 drain. | ||
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Post# 1050950 , Reply# 8 11/14/2019 at 00:15 (1,789 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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 It shouldn't be too difficult to get a new seal for that Electrolux, and to replace it. I replaced the seal (boot) on my circa 2000 Maytag Neptune 7500 washer after I put in some plastic backed car floor mats and they tore up the boot.
Personally I like the Electrolux front loaders, mainly because my laundry closet is plumbed for the washer to be on the right, and Electrolux was the only front loading washer I could find, after the Neptunes stopped production, where you could reverse the washer door.
Which is not to say your Superba won't be a good washer. I just prefer front loaders. I have five (grin)...
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| Post# 1051004 , Reply# 9 11/14/2019 at 11:16 (1,788 days old) by Jaytag (Atlanta) | ||
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Best Washer and Dryer I have ever owned. I wish I still had them. A Great Find. Congratulations! | ||
| Post# 1051047 , Reply# 10 11/14/2019 at 18:47 (1,788 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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Or of my best friends grew up with this set. It’s the best whirlpool brand washer out there IMO. I know it has stepped spin. Basically spins on low for a few minutes and then spins on high the rest of the cycle. | ||
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Post# 1051093 , Reply# 11 11/15/2019 at 04:26 (1,788 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1051115 , Reply# 12 11/15/2019 at 09:02 (1,787 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1051204 , Reply# 14 11/16/2019 at 00:39 (1,787 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
Congrats! | ||
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Post# 1051229 , Reply# 15 11/16/2019 at 08:47 (1,786 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Great Looking Set Of KA Machines Enjoy them you should be able to to keep these working for a long time, the most difficult part to get some day will be the timers, if you want to keep them for the long haul get and extra W&D timer.
SQ is now selling their FL washers with either a Rt or LT hinged door, the RT hinged door is usually a special order but the same cost.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1051234 , Reply# 16 11/16/2019 at 09:17 (1,786 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 1051269 , Reply# 19 11/16/2019 at 17:05 (1,786 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Search your model numbers at online parts sources. AppliancePartsPros.com and SearsPartsDirect.com have breakdown diagrams. Others may have parts listed but not diagrams. Make note of the various part numbers of interest -- the correct (WP) manufacturer part numbers, not the vendor/seller-specific item/stock/SKU numbers -- then search those WP numbers at any/all online sources (including eBay) for best prices. | ||
| Post# 1051277 , Reply# 20 11/16/2019 at 19:04 (1,786 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1051287 , Reply# 21 11/16/2019 at 20:02 (1,786 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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Fantastic! | ||
| Post# 1051317 , Reply# 22 11/17/2019 at 02:12 (1,786 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) | ||
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Post# 1051504 , Reply# 23 11/18/2019 at 12:22 (1,784 days old) by Mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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Post# 1051725 , Reply# 24 11/20/2019 at 13:17 (1,782 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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KA set Oh man. I have been watching this thread, and I am jealous. These will be a great set! I second the Tide Mountain Spring powder. I can just imagine the smell of a hot wash with it! YUM! | ||
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Post# 1052476 , Reply# 25 11/27/2019 at 16:26 (1,775 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI) |
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Nice.. | ||
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Post# 1109609 , Reply# 27 2/26/2021 at 11:05 (1,318 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Pretty much impossible to predict the details without a model number and/or photos of the panel and interior. Very early models didn't have the oversize agitator and were two speed (ran high agitation at the high motor speed). Some lower-end models in the late 80s and forward may also be as such. Seems that Eugene's KA does have the larger agitator (the base covers the ring of perforations on bottom of the basket). | ||
| Post# 1109642 , Reply# 28 2/26/2021 at 17:33 (1,318 days old) by NaturallyNick (Emmaus, PA) | ||
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Thanks Dadoes!! I called and got the model number KAWE560WAL3 I tried looking it up but can’t find anything on it at all. | ||
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Post# 1109647 , Reply# 29 2/26/2021 at 18:22 (1,318 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I have a KAWE760WAL2, which is two models higher in the line. The 760 has a 3-speed motor and stepped spin. Final spin on Perm Press cycle runs two mins each at all three motor speeds. KAWE560WAL3 has a 2-speed motor. It may have stepped spin on the two speeds, depends on the timer programming. It does have the larger agitator. W = 1990 model year AL = almond color trailing digit indicates the engineering change/revision on the given model Serial numbers are coded for the week and year of manufacture. Mine is 26th week (June 24-28) of 1991. | ||
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Post# 1109651 , Reply# 31 2/26/2021 at 19:41 (1,318 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The transmission has no effect on agitation or spin speeds. Speeds are in the motor RPM, not in the mechanicals of the transmission. There are no electronics or circuit boards involved. The timer is mechanical. Your Estate probably has a 1-speed motor and simulates gentler agitation by running the motor intermittently on the Gentle or Delicate cycle. I can't find a tech sheet for the KA 560 but I did find a user guide. It doesn't state any agitation or spin speeds for the three cycles. The illustration of the timer doesn't show any wash times, just soil level references. There are wash time references in the written cycle descriptions. Regular/Heavy Normal (or Heavy) = 10 mins Light (or Normal) = 6 mins Permanent Press Normal = 7 mins Light = 4 mins Knits/Delicate Normal = 1 min agitation, 2 mins soak, 1 min agitation The descriptions lead me to conjecture that, regards to having the larger agitator and a 2-speed motor, it runs the motor at low speed for all agitation. Possibly at high for spin on Regular/Heavy and at low for spin on Perm Press and Knits/Delicate ... or possibly stepped on Perm Press .... or maybe at high for all spins. Whirlpool Digital Library Select Documents. KAWE560WAL3 for Exact Model Number Press Enter, or click the magnifying glass icon to search. | ||
| Post# 1109658 , Reply# 32 2/26/2021 at 20:31 (1,318 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1109659 , Reply# 33 2/26/2021 at 20:31 (1,318 days old) by NaturallyNick (Emmaus, PA) | ||
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Okay not sure if that is a bummer to hear or not. I’m thinking it would still be better then the estate in some way? Or maybe I should keep it and continue my KA hunt | ||
| Post# 1109695 , Reply# 34 2/27/2021 at 07:51 (1,317 days old) by NaturallyNick (Emmaus, PA) | ||
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My estate machine says 2 speed but I think they just use the second speed for spinning and will do a low spin on delicate. Do you think this KA would be at least better then that? It will have the larger agitator at least. Thanks for all your input I really appreciate it!! | ||
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Post# 1109696 , Reply# 35 2/27/2021 at 08:06 (1,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Regards to the Estate, parts diagrams would need to be checked or the tech sheet located to determine if it has a 2-speed or 1-speed motor. "2 Speed Combinations" or some such reference printed on the panel may be marketing-speak for intermittent agitation on the Delicate or Gentle cycle. You should be able to hear the difference in the motor sound for drain vs. spin if it's using low speed for spin. Neutral drain is always at high speed. The KA does have a 2-speed motor if the parts info I'm finding is correct. I can't say how the machine utilizes the two speeds without detailed cycle diagrams or direct operational observation. Or, someone who has the exact model could provide the details. | ||
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Post# 1109712 , Reply# 37 2/27/2021 at 10:05 (1,317 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1109714 , Reply# 38 2/27/2021 at 10:29 (1,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Found a tech sheet for the Estate, which also covers other models. Says all agitation and spin is at high speed. Gentle cycle agitation is 20 secs on/off, although that may vary per timer programming among the various models. TAWX700JQ1 = 2000 model year CM1981061 = 19th week (May 6-10) of 2002 manufacture date | ||
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Post# 1109725 , Reply# 40 2/27/2021 at 13:53 (1,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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KA 560 has three adhesive mastic panels affixed to the inside of the cabinet to dampen vibrations, which your Estate lacks. The drive mechanicals are the same, other than 2-speed vs. 1-speed motor, different agitator, and the KA having slightly larger capacity. My 760 adds a sound absorbing pad under the base, 560 doesn't. Pics I found of a 560, and a better shot of the agitator it should have. | ||
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Post# 1109786 , Reply# 42 2/28/2021 at 07:23 (1,316 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Better Top Load Washer Hi Nick the KA is a better washer, but as you mentioned it is 10 years older and several parts like the timer and motor are harder to find if needed.
If it were me I would either keep what you have or if there is room have both hooked up and ready to use.
The only way I will use a TL washer any longer is if I can save and reuse the wash water usually by draining the water into a 2nd machine. To get decent cleaning out of a full fill TL machine you need around 20 gallons of hot water and a lot of detergent, it is simply too costly to dump all that down the drain after washing a few bath towels, sheets etc when you can use the slightly cooled water to wash wash your jeans etc.
The entire concept of TL washers was based on Wringer Washers where you filled up the machine with good hot water and got a good soap or detergent solution going and you set out to do at least several loads of laundry, the idea of dumping this water after a few lightly soiled things were washed would have been crazy to generations before us.
We have rebuild & resold a lot of these basic WP built TL DD washers, they are noisy and cheap sounding, sometimes I take the time to add sound deadening material to the inside of the cabinet and it makes an amazing difference.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1109820 , Reply# 43 2/28/2021 at 15:06 (1,316 days old) by NaturallyNick (Emmaus, PA) | ||
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Thanks John! I feel like I can’t help myself and this KA DD obsession so I’m gonna buy it but I am curious if you know where I would be able to find another timer to have on hand. The motor on these were the same used in WP right? Except they have gold plated contacts | ||
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Post# 1109836 , Reply# 44 2/28/2021 at 17:45 (1,316 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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KA DD Motor: | ||
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Post# 1109842 , Reply# 45 2/28/2021 at 19:18 (1,316 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KA Washer Parts Hi Nick, If you get it look up the timer Pt# and shop around Ebay etc, Yes it is a good part to have if you really like the machine after a while.
The motor is interchangeable with WPs 3 speed motor, the only difference with the KA motor was they had copper start windings with the rest of the windings being aluminum where as the WP motors were all aluminum.
I don't know how long KA motors were any different, I know they also went back to all aluminum windings at some point, it really din't make any difference.
John L. | ||
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Post# 1109843 , Reply# 46 2/28/2021 at 19:30 (1,316 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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