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Thread Number: 81391
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| Post# 1054268 12/14/2019 at 10:56 (1,595 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
hello to all sorry the article is in french but i would like to know everyone toughs on this news article that was publish back in 2015 i have translated the article to english with google translate but would like your toughs on the news article
The industry has organized itself so that repair often costs more than replacing the product, denounces the dean of repairers in Quebec. Gisèle Côté’s washer was starting to get noisy and smell hot after a decade of service. Claude Couture, the dean of appliance repairers in Quebec with nearly 50 years of experience, came to examine the device. Welded washers His verdict is classic. The rod holding the tank in place should be replaced, as should the bearings. His estimate: more than $ 1,000, or $ 90 of labor, but an impressive $ 943 of parts. “15 years ago, it would have cost him less than $ 400. She would have had it fixed, "said the 72-year-old. The difference from the old days is that most components of clothes washers are now welded and not screwed on. So, no matter which part breaks, you have to change everything. Here, the shaft and the basket as well as the tank and the bearings come together. Gisèle Côté paid the $ 50 for Claude Couture's trip, but will buy a brand new washer that will cost a few hundred dollars less than repairing her old machine. "Today, a quarter of my clients make this decision. And I understand them, ”he says. Disposable culture "The industry has moved in the wrong direction. We created a generation of disposable devices, "plague Claude Couture. But why weld the parts instead of screwing them? Because it is easier and cheaper to assemble in the factory, answers Claude Couture. And customers benefit from the savings at the time of purchase. But in the long run, the consumer loses, since his washer will break and be replaced on average after seven years, instead of 15 before. Couture even suspects that manufacturers are doing it on purpose to force consumers to change their devices more often. The Journal asked the giants Whirlpool, LG, Samsung and Miele to explain themselves. None called Le Journal two days after the request. Twenty years ago, Mr. Couture generally charged less than $ 100 for minor repairs to home appliances. Now, because of the cost of the parts, his bill almost always exceeds $ 200. The devices last less, as does the parts warranty, in many cases increased from 10 years to a year. "About 20% of all the complaints we receive are about warranties," says Charles Tanguay, from the Office of Consumer Protection. In short, it is better to keep your old appliances for a long time, advises Claude Couture. Last week, he even repaired a washer purchased in 1965, when he started working as an appliance repairer. 7: The average number of years a washer has lived. It’s half as much as those made about 20 years ago. 37: The number of the section of the Consumer Protection Act which says that a good must be able to serve "for a reasonable period of time", regardless of whether the warranty has expired. So if it's no longer guaranteed, it may still be. WHAT'S BREAKING? Claude Couture sums up what most often requires repair. Fridge The new greener freon is also more corrosive. Leaks from gnawed pipes are common. Oven Electronic components. "It could all be simplified. We don't use all of these functions, "he says. washer The bearings. “They are welded to the tank, so everything has to be replaced. It costs more. ” dryer "This is what breaks down less often. Sometimes the too long return air hose overheats. ” Dishwasher The pumps. "The capacity of the dishwashers is greater, but the pumps are smaller, so they are overloaded." THE VICTORIES OF DAVID C. GOLIATH Manufacturers and retailers sometimes show their customers colors of all colors. Here are four stories from a washerwoman where the ears were rinsed. Unknown error code When the washer started spinning badly and an error code was displayed, Rigaud's couple called its manufacturer. His answer: the error code is not mentioned in his manual, so there is nothing he can do for them! Worse: since they didn't buy an extended warranty, he refuses to suggest a repairer. Incomplete answers that will ultimately cost him more than $ 2,500 since the unlucky customers also had problems with their fridge, bought at the same time. "Change it then!" " A repairer who suggests not to repair can be surprising. However, this is what a Granby employee did, embarrassed to bill his client again more than $ 300 for a washer paid $ 549 less than two years ago. The manufacturer did not want to pay the repair bill, so he ended up in court. In May, a judge awarded the client $ 935 ($ 500 from the journal the montreal | ||
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| Post# 1054273 , Reply# 2 12/14/2019 at 11:26 (1,595 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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rosie
i know of a store in my area that still sell some old direct drive but that would mean transporting it yourself if you own a picup or can attach a trailer to your vehicle here the link www.econopluselectromenag... and you also have the option to have your current washer repaired witch will make it last for years as well
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| Post# 1054278 , Reply# 4 12/14/2019 at 12:16 (1,595 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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rosie
if you would of known my grandmother she hasd an old push to start 3 cycle inglis liberator that she replace in 1988 because it was leaking but it was still good thw washer would be near 50 today she also had a vintage dryer that lasted her 40 years washer she replace in 1988 then in 2008 for an older direct drive washer dryer in 2009
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| Post# 1054289 , Reply# 6 12/14/2019 at 15:10 (1,595 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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rosie my toughs even do i know it will never happen
i wish we cpuld go back to these type of washers but with today modern look without droping the qualatys that makes them last longer pics are only reference exemple
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Post# 1054314 , Reply# 8 12/14/2019 at 21:23 (1,594 days old) by LowEfficiency  (Iowa) |
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I think the problem would be convincing today's buyers that that kind of longevity is even beneficial in the first place.
We have a whole generation that has grown up with such rapid technological progress - that to buy something to hold onto for so long is legitimately a foreign concept. Would today's teenagers go for 1970s cars? No, because they are dramatically less safe as well as less efficient. Would today's young adults go for cell phones from 10 years ago? No, because they are positively ancient in terms of features, let alone security. The same way with houses, furnace and air conditioners, recreation equipment, tools, furniture, etc. Appliances, likewise, the marketing has pounded in the concept that your old stuff is inefficient and killing the planet, and you should feel guilty to continue using it. There are some environmental tradeoffs, or credit if you will, for keeping old things out of the landfill and avoiding the impacts of producing new. But to a generation that has, for everything else, been told that that is more than covered by improved efficiency, that is a difficult mentality to break - You would have to PROVE that that longevity is worth the costs and tradeoffs. | ||
| Post# 1054323 , Reply# 9 12/14/2019 at 23:35 (1,594 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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Reply #7 Miele did create a washer that was bigger. I believe it was 3.7 cu ft.. however they didn’t sell enough of them. I think they were $1400 10 years ago. Tom | ||
| Post# 1054333 , Reply# 11 12/15/2019 at 07:24 (1,594 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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me when i bought 15 years ago the whirlpool duet set
15 years ago when my mom and i change to the whirlpool duet set we now have i check the following energuide for electric comsumption cycle use noise level since its on the second floor so far washer had 2 minor repairs that i could do myself change of plastic door latch that broke and front of detergent dispenser as for the dryer it only had 2 repairs as well major cleanup lint near heating element and termal fuse replacement but if because of cost i had to go back to an old direct drive topload or vintage machine i would look for inglis superbII direct drive washer (washer dryer set my mom and i had from 1993 to 2004) kenmore or kitchenaid even maytag performa ect
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Post# 1054343 , Reply# 13 12/15/2019 at 14:10 (1,594 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 I don't think the impetus to replace vs. repair is so much related to the interest in the latest-greatest washing machine or other appliance as it is with phones. Moreso related to the cost of repair nowadays vs. replacement. When a servicer charges $200 to $250 to replace a direct-drive motor coupler that costs $12 to $25 for the part . . . there's the factor in the equation. There's also the angle that some parts are priced outrageously high, either due to actual production/warehousing costs, or due to manufacturers purposely pricing them high to discourage repair. | ||
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Post# 1054351 , Reply# 14 12/15/2019 at 16:30 (1,594 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New durable repairable washing machines C$2000 for a new speed queen top load classic series washer that will last 25 years or more for the average family is actually a better buy then A Maytag or whirlpool was 40 years ago.
Even better yet is the Speed Queen front load washer designed to be easily repaired even by its user and has an average life expectancy of 10 loads a week for over 40 years.
I support welding the plastic outer tub on cheap front load washer‘s, people buy them because they’re cheap look at all the people on this site that are buying LG because it’s the cheapest machine it should be built that way. Welding the tub together makes the machine more reliable and less costly to build. Nobody’s going to put new bearings in $700 washer today anyway.
I remember all the crying 40 years ago and they started gluing motors together and they could no longer be repaired it was the best thing they ever did, it kept the cost of the appliance down and the cost of the motor down nobody was repairing motors anymore anyway.
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Post# 1054354 , Reply# 16 12/15/2019 at 16:47 (1,594 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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A New LG FL Washer | ||
| Post# 1054359 , Reply# 18 12/15/2019 at 17:23 (1,594 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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rosie
rosie if you have this chain of store where you live if you look at the washer dryer section they have speed queen and it all depends on how many loads you do per day and also depends if you wash for the whole family also www.jcperreault.com/en/ca... because if you wash only for 2 your curent direct drive washer should last you for years
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| Post# 1054361 , Reply# 19 12/15/2019 at 17:30 (1,594 days old) by Rosie (Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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pierreandreply4 Thanks for that but I live down the road in Niagara, about 6 hours from Montreal. I'll keep the DD for a while yet, but our water rates are going up 50% over the next 3 years. Ironic when you consider I live 15km. from Lake Erie and 15km. from Lake Ontario. No water shortage here just a bunch of really overpaid "public servants". | ||
| Post# 1054362 , Reply# 20 12/15/2019 at 17:35 (1,594 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 1054971 , Reply# 25 12/20/2019 at 23:53 (1,588 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa) |
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Sometimes too there is an inverse relationship between the reliability of an original part and the availability of spare parts. If a machine is UNreliable, the OEM or aftermarket might churn out tons of repair parts for quite a long time to satisfy repair demand. But if a part “almost never fails”, and it does for you (or simply wears out), you might have quite a difficult time finding a replacement. Parts supply companies and local repair shops wouldn’t have any reason to stock those parts, and far fewer spares would be produced overall.
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