I just caught on the KA web site they are having a 25% off sale until January 8th on4 of their Clean Water Wash models.  

So does this mean that Maytag will drop there current wash system? I hope they don't drop the hard food disposer ,part and go to a filter. Maytag dishwashers sell like crazy I saw 4 being sold today in 20 mins at HomO-Depot . I have been saving for a new Miele dishwasher for 8 months.My Smeg is going down the tubes fast and that is one expensive dishwasher to fix. I could get the TOL Maytag today and have money left but I do want a Miele ...

Wes, they are going to the self-cleaning filter (Clean Water Wash System like I have in my 2015 KitchenMore Elite.  In fact, my first hint of this coming to pass was the last version of their TOL (wasn't on the market very long, less than a year), mentioned in the manual was the Clean Water Wash system that's  a filter the continuously cleans itself and no mention of a 4-blade chopper.  This model was the only model that didn't have a tiered upper rack and the 3rd rack was mind of modular in how you could arrange it.  It's an MDB8989.  It was removed from their web site more than a month ago but can still be found at some of their retailers.  

I hope Maytag doesn't do away with the tiered upper rack!  That is such a unique feature and comes in handy when washing large cookie sheets, etc. on the the lower rack. 

Tub does look lower.  Wonder if they went with an induction motor like LG to get that lower depth.  Tom, did you find any KitchenAid dishwashers?  I've been looking and haven't found anything.  

Damn ,I am impressed . It looks great ,I see they took inspiration from Miele dishwashers. The wash arms

remind me of a Miele. I am glad now I have not bought a new dishwasher I guess I will wait until these come out. I was reading the patents for this wash system and there are alot of them but, I found one that would make more sense If I was a Whirlpool engineer or marketing man.

This patent(US9301667B2)

combines the clean water rotating filter and it also has a grinder in it.  I am not sure which patent they are 

using because, there are so many and companies always tries to cover as many bases as they can.I love the look and design of the inside and I guess I will take a chance and buy one when it comes out,after I look at more closely.

It is nice that they are keeping Maytags more powerful motor than that 60 watt wash motor that Whirlpool has been using.I have always wondered why Whirlpools Euro division's always look better in every way compared  to what we get over here. Maybe things are changing.

No one ever mentions JennAir....aren't they supposed to be higher end than KitchenAid?  I wonder if they will have any extra features above the KA's besides being quieter.  I know some of their models are listed for $1999.....I wish I would.

Hi Andrew [ reply #12 ] yes indeed this looks exciting, WP is already the worlds leading DW builder and this looks like an efficient simple design that eliminates the messy-stinky filters that WP and GE have been using because they thought copying cheap Bosch and Miele designs was a smart way to build DWs.

There is no need for complicated variable speed motors and excess sensors, A DW needs to wash dishes and get rid of all food soil and DRY the dishes which requires a DRY heater not gimmicks that do a so-so attempt at drying.

I will keep an eye on these DWs as we start selling them, I might even install one and test it against my 1987 WP PC DW.

John L.

I noticed in the video the sump is a bit more contained in a "well", concentrated around the pump.  (No doubt due to how the motor is rearranged underneath and also gives more height for the racks).  That might help with food particles being fed easier into the system for filtering.  Sometimes I have debris that's not pushed into the sump to be put through filtering.  The instances are when debris is around the edge of the tub on any of the 4 sides.  And my machine fills up to proper water level.  And I also find this the case if I add some extra water to counter this.  Also, the heating element looks more substantial than mine.  I have to admit I'm a bit curious to know if some tweaks have been made to the Clean Water Wash System as opposed to my 1st generation design.  I've also been a little bit leery as to whether a Bosch with the MyWay 3rd rack and how well it could clean a cereal bowl that's been used to cook hot cereal.  I imagine this targeted jets will do very well in those situations.  

Looks like they're updated their Top Load line too.  

A caveat at the bottom of screen--"Results based upon non-standard usage.  Do not attempt at home."

That's my dishwasher with the 3rd rack added.  This one was added to Sears July 2016, my model was released August 2015.  Specs say these had t4e cylinder spin at 3400 rpms where as the new  models spin at 3600 rpms according to one of the videos.  

Yes, overall I've been pleased with it.  

I can't tell if it alternates wash arms or not. I am thinking that it does just because of that new 3rd rack 360 bottle wash.

The motor looks the same that is on Maytag dishwashers now. It says 1/3 H.P. on Maytags web-site but on the motor it says .24 H.P.  and 2.1 Amps of current . The motor is much more powerful than all of them out there that I have found. Most dishwasher pump motors today are 50 to 100 watt Askol Aquarium type motors.

I wonder if Whirlpool will use this type of pump with all there dishwashers like Amana,Jen-air and there own brand.

Wex, Maytag was the last of the old Point Voyager pump design (all wash arms rotating at the same time) to be sold since the Clean Water Wash/MicroClean wash system was released sometime in 2014 with the initial model KA KDTM354DSS.  Then in 2015 KA released 4 additional models that made up their high-end models . Then 2 years ago they announced 2 or 3 more models that were less featured, but still included this pump design.  Sears released their own version in August 2015 with 4 base models and announced 1 or 2 more in 2016 before Whirlpool ceased selling their branded products in Sears.  There's only like 2 or 3 base models from the Sears MicroClean wash system left.  All Sears' new high-end models have been by LG since 2016 and 2017.     

Hi Jon, you probably just have an open Thermal Fuse in the control area, if you find this to be the case be sure to install the heavier wires that come with the new TF to prevent a repeat failure.

Post Your model # and I can tell you which one is needed.

Throwing away a 7 YO DW is like buying a new car when the battery is bad. I would not take the chance of damage to your kitchen, floor cabinets etc to have a simple to fix problem solved.

John L.

New Maytags & Kitchenaids are on Goedeckers web site.  The user manuals aren't updated to correspond with new models yet.  Maytag's Dual Power Filtration combines microfiltration and 4-blade stainless steel chopper.  The 3rd rack has a specialized wash zone.  

The KA 3rd rack can take on glasses & mugs up to 6" tall.  Has rotating wash jets.  

THANKS JOHN!!!

Here's a KitchenAid

And the owns' manual is still the old document, doesn't go with the new model.  

Mentions & shows about the foreign objects cup.  

Just wish their TOL 804 model came with a water softener.  

Well, new models are finally showing up on their corporate web pages.  And unfortunately, again, they don't provide the correct owners manual and other material, it's still the old product use & care.  Just, as indicated upthread, the appropriate quick start guide for the KA.  whirlpool did the same thing when they announced their new front load line late fall/early winter 2018.  Wonder if any interested potential customers realize it's the wrong documentation.  

Alex, thank you!!  You had to have been sensing my frustration all the way to Germany.  This information is lacking in any and all documentation associated with the new models online next to product descriptions.  I also wish they had more graphics demonstration of various loading approaches especially for the new Flex 3rd rack.  Two things I did notice: (1) Water usage for the Maytag PowerBlast cycle is no longer up to 9 or more gallons a cycle and (2) estimated cycle length for comparable cycles is longer for the KitchenAid than Maytag by a few minutes--about 10 minutes actually.  The only thing I'm still wishing is for what the time addition/subtraction and water usage is for when the Upper 2 racks option is selected.  Also some graphic illustration of various ways to load the new flex rack 3rd rack and even the newly designed middle rack.  The "instruction sheet" was pretty pathetic at this.  

Can't wait to see how this performs. But am shocked you need to purchase a power cord after you purchase the machine. And that drip pan looks like trouble to me. 

I suspect the reason a power cord isn't included is because many will be wired into a junction box.

Basically no US BI DWs ever came with a power cord unless it was specified and then you paid a little more for the DW.

It is basically safer and more reliable to have appliances and other high power use machinery wired directly to the power supply.

Now that DWs are being equipped with cords more often we are seeing failures of the plug and outlets from overheating, sometimes a plug for a DW comes partly out of the outlet and is not seen because it is under the sink and hidden by lots of stuff under the sink. A partly unplugged plug can over heat and start burning and with lots of crap around it, it can start stuff on fire, I would rather have the power connection under the DW in a metal box incase the connection fails.

John L.

How did you unziup the tech manual?  I downloaded it, but couldn't get it to unzip.  

I PMed with DadoEs.  He told me he looked at the file I'd been trying to download and he thinks it's corrupted.  He got the same results I did.  

Gary, congratulations!!!  What's the model number?

He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher.

We have a locally owned ACE hardware up the street.  The more I use them the more I realize what you don't get at the big box stores.  

We needed a new leaf  blower.  The old one (only 1 1/2 years old) wouldn't start again this year so we decided to dump it because it's already been repaired twice.

Anyway, given the virus I didn't want to go the store and hubby didn't really care what it is he just wants one that works.  So I got online to figure out which one I wanted.  Rang them up on the phone and bought it over the phone.  I told them Joe would pick it up later in the day.

When he got there it was unpacked, put together, gassed up and ready to go.  He asked if it was a demo or something and the guy said no, we do this as part of our normal service.  They asked him to come in the back so they could show him the features etc.  When he got home with it I got on line to register it for the warranty.  I couldn't easily find it so I called them and asked where to go to register it and he said, "Don't worry about that we took care of it for you."  

Plus they do any repairs on site.  The one that crapped out we got at Lowe's or Homo Depot I can't remember.  But when it needed service twice we had to go all the way across town to a place with limited hours.  What a PIA.  This ACE is less than a mile from my house.

You'll never get those extras in the Big Box store.

Hi guys

I have a couple of questions about the Clean Water Wash system being used on these new dishwashers.  Is it the same system that has been around for several years and used on the Global Wash System?  As for how it works, my understanding is that large chunks are retained in the removable "foreign object cup" and may need to be removed manually if they don't eventually find their way through that course screen.  Anything that does get through is held in suspension and "thrown off" the internal filter which rotates.  Then comes the drain cycle, at which point all the solids are then pumped down the drain -- but is there a chopper or do they just get pumped out "as is" with the idea being that anything small enough to pass through the foreign object cup will be small enough to go down the drain?

Does anyone know how well these new machines perform compared to previous models?  I am particularly concerned about the "PowerBlast" cycle on the Maytag.  As far as I can see, this cycle used to take 3:30 to 3:45 and consumed 34 litres of water.  Now it apparently "only" takes 2:38 and water consumption is now 15 litres.  The options of "High Temp" "Sani" previously increased time and water beyond what they do now.  The heated dry options apparently used to add more time.  So either the technology just got a whole lot better, or...?  I would be very interested in buying one of the new KitchenAid models, but I do wonder if it would work as well as the outgoing Maytag model.  All feedback and thoughts appreciated 

Happy dishwashing!

Mark

Hi Andrew

Thank you for clearing all that up!  I've been following this interesting thread since you started it last year.  Hopefully I will get the chance to put these machines through their paces 🙂