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Thread Number: 82352
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990 |
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Post# 1063821 3/19/2020 at 18:02 (1,103 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Heres a fun compilation video of British Twintub washing machines (or twinnies) have put together after requests from our overseas friends comparing different styles/actions etc. I`ve also shown some inside money shots to get an idea how they work,
its interesting from initial feedback you get to see how different washers perform etc...youll hear the banter from our members here lol The 4 main makes are Servis Supertwins, Hoovermatics, Hotpoint Supermatics and Philips Toptwin, am editing individual videos at the mo.. Hope You Enjoy !! | ||
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| Post# 1063884 , Reply# 1 3/20/2020 at 08:14 (1,102 days old) by unclejohn (Qc/Canada) | ||
Thanks a lot | ||
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Post# 1063888 , Reply# 2 3/20/2020 at 09:09 (1,102 days old) by Jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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What fun! | ||
| Post# 1063901 , Reply# 3 3/20/2020 at 11:27 (1,102 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
Amazing Twin Tub Water Ecstasy
Oh Mikey,
That agitator that squirts steamy water--are you kidding me?!And then the two spinners that circle spray water, one of them at criss-crossed variable angles--Oh My God ! Can't help but wonder if that is where GM Frigidaire got the idea for the 1-18 circle spray fill & spin rinse. One of the two black agitators moves like crazy, almost like a speeded up movie. Fred would know that it's a lot like the non-hydrator agitator in the Blackstone wringer washers. Those built-in suds-return systems are so satisfying. And then...... there is....... the BOILING! LOL. You've got it all. Speaking of sleep, I watched this last night at about 2 am, and toward the end, I drifted off to blissful repose. Thank you for such a satisfying dream of twin tub heaven. You are the bomb, Michael. :'D | ||
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Post# 1063902 , Reply# 4 3/20/2020 at 11:36 (1,102 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Afternoon Mike,
Thanks for compiling the all the "Great's" in action just what I needed to lift my WFH day amongst the mayhem and uncertainty. With regards to Servis and Philips doing the "Lessiveuse Style" action there is no mention of this action in the instruction manuals and its potential dangers, is this because you had the water level below the required level ?? Cheers Keith
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Post# 1063941 , Reply# 5 3/20/2020 at 21:50 (1,102 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 1063948 , Reply# 6 3/20/2020 at 22:51 (1,102 days old) by Hippiedoll ( arizona ) | ||
WOWZERS...
That was a really cool video!
I do like the twin tub washers, especially the ones with an agitator (Speed Queen, Hotpoint, Simplicity) but they are more work than an automatic. The fact that they're smaller makes them cute. But after having & using the HOOVER twin tub, I would only think about getting one with an agitator. The impeller disc just isn't for me. But I definitely like the spinners! One thing that has me scratching my head though... Why didn't GE make their portable washers with the Filter-Flo design? You see that it can be made because of that one Hotpoint twin tub that has the Filter-Flo workings. And also the other one with the red filter pan on the agitator, I don't know what brand that one was. So why didn't GE make their portable washers with the Filter-Flo design and an agitator, instead of with that reversing impeller disc at the bottom of the tub? :o( Thanks for posting that video chestermikeuk/Mike. That was really cool to see. :o) | ||
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Post# 1063955 , Reply# 7 3/21/2020 at 03:51 (1,101 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Hi Jean (Unclejohn) I love that analogy counting twinnies ha ha, glad you enjoyed it, more to come, are you still using all your Hoover twintubs ?
Need to film the T5044 next, lovely brown / bronze livery !! | ||
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Post# 1063956 , Reply# 8 3/21/2020 at 03:57 (1,101 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hello Don, many thanks , always fun to share different appliances here, do you still have your Hoover twintubs ? I do love the colours you guys had our was a range of white ha ha..
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Post# 1063958 , Reply# 9 3/21/2020 at 04:29 (1,101 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Oh Mickey, we aim to please ha ha, when I saw the "Lessiveuse Style" boiling burping agitator I knew you would approve. its the reaction of the heater being directly under the agi, so when boiling in a small amount of water you get the "Perc" effect,
The faster moving twintub is the Philips Toptwin, which moves at 120 OPM (oscillations per minute) and is the fastest of all twinnies, the Hotpoint will be 100 and the Servis is 86 opm and has the widest sweep @ 210d arc. The Philips also has a nifty filter system under the agitator or "Gyrator" as they call it.. The Hotpoint spinner with the Circle Spray is more effective than the hose or jet straight in, that shot had the water pressure controlled from the tap just right, too little and it dribbles down the side, more tha the pic and it overshoots..
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Post# 1063959 , Reply# 10 3/21/2020 at 04:38 (1,101 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"Lessiveuse Style"
Morning Keith, totally understand how you feel, weird days indeed and more to come, forcing myself to get stuff done and enjoy it..
The only time I ever saw people "Boil" in twinnies was just with a small amount of water over the clothes and then either ditch the water or top up to wash normally, yes am not surprised its not in the instruction book ha ha... Obviously the "Perc" effect only happens when the water is below the holes on the agitator and pressure from the powerful heater forces the water up the inner tube. | ||
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Post# 1063960 , Reply# 11 3/21/2020 at 04:46 (1,101 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hello Greg , Thanks, hope all great with you guys, Do you still have the yellow Hoover twinny ? Love the colourways that you had..
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Post# 1063962 , Reply# 12 3/21/2020 at 05:20 (1,101 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Hello Christina, the Hoover twintubs where marketed here as "The Washdog" races through washday, they are fun to use but as you say John in the video, always best to keep the mop handy and I think using any twinny the way we do with lids open ya floor will always have a wash ha ha.
The agitators are great more like the top loaders, The Rolls Royce of twinnys has to be the Servis / Simplicity / Speed Queen a long wide sweep to move the clothes through the water also having four vanes on the agitator and a square tube so the clothes get washed into the corners and out again.. The red filter pan is the first UK Hotpoint twintub, produced 1959, the later models then had the Spiralator agi like the Easy. I wonder if it was trademarks and such that GE didnt do a mini filter flow system, We also had a GEC twinny which was really special and it was two tubs in one, and had two wash impellers in the base a bit like the Maytag, alas we dont have one of those at the moment. | ||
| Post# 1063991 , Reply# 13 3/21/2020 at 10:41 (1,101 days old) by supertwin59 (shropshire, england, united kingdom) | ||
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A real treat Hello Mike, Great compilation, it takes me back seeing the glass lid on the hotpoint spinner; thinking about it, it must have been around 1963/4 when I saw that in a playmates mothers kitchen. Much more interesting than playing in the little lads sand pit!!! Regards, Walter. | ||
| Post# 1063997 , Reply# 14 3/21/2020 at 11:28 (1,101 days old) by unclejohn (Qc/Canada) | ||
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Hey, Mike,
you are quite right when you say the Servis-SQ-Simplicity are 'The Rolls Royce of twinnys' ! I've had (and used) a Simp Supertwin which definately was impressive, both in terms of washing efficiency and spin speed, while still being very quiet. I only use, from time to time, my Hoover Rinse-O-Matic (same as Washdog UK). And now my 'new' Maytag A50 (of which the wash tub leaks a little bit--will have to put some silicone up around the tub before i run it next time). The A50 is so quiet when compared to the Hoov., probably the less noisy thing next to the Servis-SQ-Simp. So glad i managed to find one in good working condition, 'as is'. I've also found a belt that works just fine for its impellers: 3L510 v-belt (Gates Truflex 1510, Ind Nr 6751, 3/8'' x 51''). | ||
| Post# 1064007 , Reply# 15 3/21/2020 at 12:36 (1,101 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Mikey
What a riot that little GEC twinny is; would love to see one day when you find one--which, of course you will !-- the movement pattern in the cool double elbow tub.
Speaking of yellow Hoovers, last winter you had a grand thread up that motivated me to get the Oovuh going with a winter load of fleece & flannel. Don't know if I got the pix to you, but they're right here on the laptop. Enjoy. Footnote: Always wondering why American washers couldn't boil, when all of yours did. Even the Frigidaire you pixed in Christina's 1-18 thread. Imagine-- A Frigidaire boiling !Too funny ! How an American Unimatic might protest: "We don't need heat; we already have achieved a rolling boil!" ;'D | ||
| Post# 1064065 , Reply# 16 3/21/2020 at 19:06 (1,101 days old) by Spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK)) | ||
Thanks Mike, a great trip down memory lane for me. 1970s UK was dominated by TT, front load automatics were slowly gaining popularity. My Mum had the Hoovermatic de lux washdog which had the fill hose going in thru the back next to the rubber drain hose. It had the white water spout mounted in the spin deck and swung round to fill the wash tub. It also had the auto rinse feature which was very useful. I had lots of fun with that machine until it pegged out early 80’s and we got the service top load automatic machine. That is another interesting washer but was short lived unfortunately.
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Post# 1064103 , Reply# 17 3/22/2020 at 04:53 (1,100 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Good morning Walter, well yes at that age one of those twinnys would be christmas comes early over said sand pit ha ha...I never knew anyone with that model other than the English Electric like Darrens with the brush filter but that was red and red agitator.
This is Johns that he actually had found a brand new in bag spinner lid as with many of them at that time they corroded from the alkali powders etc. | ||
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Post# 1064104 , Reply# 18 3/22/2020 at 05:02 (1,100 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hello Jean (UncleJohn) oh yes I think it was because I grew up with the Servis that had me spoilt etc..Is the Simpson an agitator twinny. Glad you got a belt for the Maytag was the original a V belt then or round ? making me think now !!
But you have the Holy Grail of Hoover Twintubs dont you with the Rinse-o-matic and the wash filter system ?
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Post# 1064105 , Reply# 19 3/22/2020 at 05:16 (1,100 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Morning Mickey, yes hope we can get to use a GEC all in one twinny one day !!
Fabulous twinny water shots, Those Hoover twinnys pump out at such a rate that they lend themselves to artistic water shots, have heard many a tale of the hose jumping off the sink & flooding the place !! "A Boiling Frigidaire" now theres a video to conjure up, they did the twinnys and spinners as well, complete laundry range. | ||
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Post# 1064106 , Reply# 20 3/22/2020 at 05:25 (1,100 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Hello Simon yes I think the British held on to their twinnys for a long time over the automatics, I think as well many people saw friends with the likes of Indesit & Zanny washers with slow spin speeds and complaining
especially with our weather.. so hung onto them !! The Hoovermatic Washdog must have been one of the best sellers for Hoover at the time...great machine and with the autorinse. What Servis top loader was it the UK one with Blue agi & booster fin or the Canadian made Kenmore Whirlppol ?
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| Post# 1064133 , Reply# 21 3/22/2020 at 11:04 (1,100 days old) by unclejohn (Qc/Canada) | ||
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Ah, yes, Chester Mike, the Simplicity twinnie has an two speed four-vane agitator, whereas most Speed Queen twin tubs are only 1 speed. Regarding the belt fitted to the Maytag motor-impellers, the original was indeed a round belt. However, the V belt described above fits like a glove and gives great washing power, as far as i'm concerned. The minor leakage excepted (from the top of the wash tub), this A50 is in excellent working order. Clothes get well washed, and barely damp after 3 min spin.
I 100% agree with you that the washdog (rinse-o-matic) is the 'Holy Grail' of Hoovers. And, yep, that sort of lint filter also gives pretty good results. I, too, found that GEC washer fascinating and unusual to say the least. | ||
| Post# 1064155 , Reply# 22 3/22/2020 at 16:05 (1,100 days old) by Spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK)) | ||
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Hi Mike, yes that is the one. Fantastic machine for its time. However, I was always jealous of people who had automatics. They were so cool but as you say had really slow spinspeed. I always used to buy Bold Automatic detergent even though we had a TT. I loved the smell if it.
The Service top loader was a very interesting machine. There is a thread on the very machine. It was cool if not a little slow, had no spray rinse and had thee deep rinses. Small capacity and was not best suited to British hot water systems of that day. Took forever to heat the wash water up. Thanks for posting this Mike, excellent thread Simon CLICK HERE TO GO TO Spinspeed's LINK | ||
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Post# 1064240 , Reply# 23 3/23/2020 at 03:26 (1,099 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Morning Simon, well I never, not like me to miss all things Servii haha, especially when Alans posts the holy grail of literature - then I checked the date, was moving home...
These where made for Servis UK by Whirlpool Kenmore but the Canadian design, I dont know if their model had a heater or it was made specifically for UK market. Hoping Guy (BellaLaundry) or Jean (UncleJohn) can help us ? Oh yes Bold for colours Daz for whites and Lenor ha ha..This Hoovermatic was prob the best selling and almost semi automatic with the linked heater timer and the autorinse albeit you had to move the clothes between tubs !! CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK This post was last edited 03/23/2020 at 03:45 | ||
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Post# 1064258 , Reply# 24 3/23/2020 at 07:56 (1,099 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Mike what a great video | ||
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Mike,
as far as i know, there were absolutely no heater models in the various twintubs right here in North America. [Only some of the models of UK or Australia ??] That is probably one of the reasons we had some plastic (poly-) tubs models whereas in the UK there were none. That being said, i personally prefer ss, porcelain enamel or alum tubs in washing machines of any kind. | ||
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Post# 1064375 , Reply# 27 3/24/2020 at 02:23 (1,098 days old) by Alanlondon (London) |
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Instructions for my Mum’s Hoovermatic Knew I had them somewhere! | ||
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Post# 1064376 , Reply# 28 3/24/2020 at 02:46 (1,098 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Post# 1064379 , Reply# 29 3/24/2020 at 05:12 (1,098 days old) by Alanlondon (London) |
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Brochure from 1978 Think this was nearly the last re-incarnation of the Hoovermatic This post was last edited 03/24/2020 at 05:32 | ||
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Post# 1064381 , Reply# 30 3/24/2020 at 05:33 (1,098 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Morning Jon, glad you got to use our Hoover twinnys on your visit, they do speed through washday. Will you be able to bring your machines to where you are now ?
ps, Cant believe its 15 yrs since your visit !!
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Post# 1064382 , Reply# 31 3/24/2020 at 05:50 (1,098 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hello Jean (UncleJohn) yes I was surprised when I first saw the Washdog variations of US Hoovers with the one piece moulded tubs. Its the other way around here,only a few without heaters , saying that 95% of the time as a kid I saw twintubs used the heater wasnt, usually our hot water was from a back boiler over a coal fire or immersion tank heated by electricity or gas so the washer was filled up from the tap..
I do like a shiny tub but equally love the different colours of the vitreous enamel. | ||
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Post# 1064383 , Reply# 32 3/24/2020 at 05:59 (1,098 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I love that 1978 Hoover with the orange accents. Many years ago there was one on a Dutch auction site. A daughter was selling it for her father so she could get him an automatic. In the end the father decided against the whole idea, so that was that. It was one of the few British style twintubs I came across in the NL. The other one was a later Hotpoint twintub. And then there was the twintub my mother had. The AEG Turnamat and similar machines caught on early in the NL, the British style ones didn't stand a chance against them.
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Post# 1064384 , Reply# 33 3/24/2020 at 06:04 (1,098 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Great memories Alan but I bet many kids where deafened as we would have been ear height to the noise ha ha..the picture of long trailing flexes is familiar, my nan only had one 15 amp socket in the living room so it was my job to unhook the cable from where it hung, on a hook under a shelf in the under stairs pantry, it trailed from near the front door through the lounge, dining room and then into the leanto utility where it had a woolworths twin socket on the end, one plug for the Hoover single tub, the other the Spin a Rinse.
Next to the cable hook was a hook that held both those Hoover Instruction cards, I coveted them for years lol.. ps, Ive never seen the adendum note attached to the card about "Turning to Boil" I wonder if they had a load of broken thermostats etc and then issues it? | ||
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Post# 1064385 , Reply# 34 3/24/2020 at 06:27 (1,098 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Morning Louis, oh so near yet so far, as Alan said and in the brouchure this was the last style from the washdog era until they went full panel fascia on the front, and as always we can rely on Hoover for the colour - These seem to be the more rarer models, not usually many seen, it came with silver lids as well, the plug in rinse socket was problematic with the inner hose connection to the spray arm usually burst and was such a faff to repair..
I always remember as an alter boy (dont) the parish priest celebrated his 25th anniversary , the parish clubbed together and presented him with a cheque and he went and bought the above T5044 in white to use himself, often think was he a secret washer lover ? | ||
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Post# 1064387 , Reply# 35 3/24/2020 at 07:04 (1,098 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
And now with all that washing done, in British tradition & fashion, " More Tea & Cake Vicar" lovely victoria sponge and decorated with the Hoover spin can mat !!
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| Post# 1064400 , Reply# 36 3/24/2020 at 08:55 (1,098 days old) by unclejohn (Qc/Canada) | ||
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Like very much the display of colours of those various wash tubs !
: ) Here are pics of two my own machines: Canadian-made offsprings of UK Hoovermatics, models 0610 instructions brochure & 0632 rinse-o-matic 'washdog', auto rinse, metal tub | ||
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Post# 1064411 , Reply# 37 3/24/2020 at 10:41 (1,098 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Afternoon Jean,
Thanks for sharing the pic of the instruction card for the 0610, I have attached the card for the UK version 3304 / 3304E and my machine. Cheers Keith | ||
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Post# 1064436 , Reply# 39 3/24/2020 at 16:02 (1,098 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Post# 1064546 , Reply# 40 3/25/2020 at 09:54 (1,097 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Afternoon All,
Just having a sort our of a pile of old ERT magazines and found a few adverts, Servis updated MK41 & the New Top Twin, both from 1969. Cheers Keith | ||
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Post# 1064560 , Reply# 41 3/25/2020 at 12:03 (1,097 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Thats a rare Hoover twinny indeed, anyone of you got pics of the back to see how / where the pipe comes out and also underneath, does it have the newer spin can pulley and weight like the 3301 ?
I do like these first of the new styles with the pipe out the back, heres the 3309.. Enquiring minds !! | ||
| Post# 1064579 , Reply# 43 3/25/2020 at 13:59 (1,097 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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Hi Austin yours is like mine with the heater, these certainly lasted longer thanks to the plastic lid hinges, the 3301L I have with the cast alloy hinges has just rotted through the hinges and into the lid. Mathew
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Post# 1064584 , Reply# 44 3/25/2020 at 14:43 (1,097 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 1064586 , Reply# 45 3/25/2020 at 14:48 (1,097 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Cheers Mathew for the pics, I wasnt sure if it was a round hole with rubber ring like those converted spin a rinses for the drain hose, love the charcoal accents !! You are quite right about the metal v plastic hinges on the spinner lids,
when you think what ours was like before the Spa of Bob & Neil got their hands on it... | ||
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Ah ah, Mathew,
exactly the same basic design as our 0610's here in Canada (see pics below) | ||
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Post# 1064655 , Reply# 47 3/26/2020 at 04:34 (1,096 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Morning Matthew,
Interesting your 3304 has the plastic hinges, my 3304e must have been an early model as it still has the alloy hinges/brackets like the 3301L. Mike, i will check out the model number on the Top Twin and let you know. Cheers Keith | ||
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Post# 1064660 , Reply# 48 3/26/2020 at 06:35 (1,096 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Another British made twintub was the Burco 21, which we have on the restore list, this was one that Gary (Electron1100) managed to save from the tip, an agitator machine with solid spin can ,
much like Servis but has a pump port & control like the Hoovers.. Did any of you or family have one ? | ||
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Post# 1064697 , Reply# 52 3/26/2020 at 15:54 (1,096 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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@mathew
Your spot on its the same as the one I have, Its in perfect working order now and just in need of a respray it must have been stored with a Ivy bush :)
Also have a Burco 21 and its complete and believe it or not it works electrically but is in need of an upgrade as all pipes have perished, The wiring may need replacing too and when its done it too needs a respray but all in good time. Hope you are keeping well? Austin | ||
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Post# 1064704 , Reply# 53 3/26/2020 at 16:13 (1,096 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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@mathew
A little pic of the Hoovermatic in question.
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Post# 1064706 , Reply# 54 3/26/2020 at 16:18 (1,096 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Burco 21
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Post# 1064710 , Reply# 55 3/26/2020 at 16:49 (1,096 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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A hotpoint 9404
Washes the best of all twin tubs IMHO due to the filter that catches all manner of crud...
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Post# 1064759 , Reply# 56 3/27/2020 at 04:51 (1,095 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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@Matthew, Austin & Ian,
Reference the newly styled Philips Top Twin model 3202 this was launched in 1969, as per the write up in the magazine. I think even in 1969 Philips still had the Top Twin De-Lux on offer as per the advert I originally posted. A friend of mine has used one of the 3202 machines and said the wash emptying hose had a spring & ball set up to prevent emptying the wash tub as the wash pump ran all time. Austin, be good to see some pic's of your 3202 if you have them to hand, also luv the Burco 21 - a few years ago someone was selling some spares for this machine which I managed to get, that is as close as I got (wash empty diverter valve, pump etc)to getting one of these machines. Cheers Keith | ||
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Post# 1064849 , Reply# 57 3/27/2020 at 19:59 (1,095 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips Toptwin Twintub Washing Machine 1968
Heres a video of the Philips Toptwin, having spent time with it and only ever seeing one in Trident Electrical Store as a kid with my nan when she bought a Frigidaire spinner, am loving this twinny, a vigorous wash action but certainly keep the clothes under water , active water style, and with the motor running all the time it switches the wash action on / off by solenoid. The pear shaped spin can really does settle the clothes for a superfast 3000rpm spin dry.
Take a look, ask a question, leave a comment, please tick for like..Cheers CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK | ||
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Post# 1064882 , Reply# 58 3/28/2020 at 09:29 (1,094 days old) by Alanlondon (London) |
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Philips Toptwin Fascinating video Mike, very much enjoyed it. The clutch arrangement looks very similar to the Hoover Keymatic. Here’s some instructions albeit not exactly the same model as in your video. Cheers Alan | ||
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Post# 1064883 , Reply# 59 3/28/2020 at 09:32 (1,094 days old) by Alanlondon (London) |
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More Philips
Here's is a small leaflet for the machine Mike featured in his video above, as you can see it has been marked Jan 1966, so presumably this variation of the machine came out in 1965
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Afternoon Alan, thought you would like that, yes that clutch solenoid arm is something indeed, and yes was talking with Mathew earlier and he mentioned the keymatic similarity. Many thanks for posting the brochures we saw this one in the Ada / Philips display at the Calderdale Heritage Museum in Halifax some years ago, interesting it has the port in the washtub to empty. I wonder if it still used the same motor / pump / clutch arrangement ? looks like it did from the console.
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Post# 1064930 , Reply# 65 3/28/2020 at 14:26 (1,094 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips
Evening Al, lovely sales leaflet there, interesting how Mathews Toptwin looks later than the one we actually saw in the Philips museum in Halifax, the earlier model looks much more streamlined and newer !!
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Post# 1064967 , Reply# 68 3/28/2020 at 18:01 (1,094 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Al,
Philips have always had a form of filter from the Top Twin’s through to the Turbo Star wringer washer..always under the agitator. The inlet on the left was purely for suds return on the Mk1 then later the arm just rested in a hole behinx the console I have a poster / leaflet of the New Top Twin, i will dig it out tmw. The Top Twin’s have always ranked within my top 5 twin tubs :) The Top Twin Super - didn’t Stella market that before Philips ?? I need to get mine out of store at some point :) Keith | ||
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Fab thread MIke. I love twin tubs - the water, noise and smells of both the detergent and the machine bring back so many memories. Have just looked through some of my brochures and found a few good ones. Here’s the top twin - looks like an enthusiastic child may have doodled on the back!
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| Post# 1065018 , Reply# 70 3/29/2020 at 07:20 (1,093 days old) by Sesteve (London, UK) | ||
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And a few bits on the later model and explanation of different wash actions
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Post# 1065019 , Reply# 71 3/29/2020 at 07:22 (1,093 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips Toptwin Twintub Washing Machine 1962 - 1974
Well not sure if I managed to confuse dates etc ha ha but after referencing The Oracle`s Spreadsheet (MatchboxPauls) where is he when ya need info lol, I think its this :
1962 - 1965 Toptwin De-Lux Model EA5400 (Halifax Museum) 1962 - 1965 Toptwin De-Lux Super Model EA5402 1965 - 1969 Toptwin De-Lux Model HA8030 Mathew & Keiths 1969 - 1971 Toptwin Model HN3202 (Keith & Steves pics) 1971 - 1974 Toptwin Model HN3206 (Als pic) 1971 - 1974 Toptwin 3207 Model HN3207 (Ians pic) 1974 Toptwin De-Lux Model AAC870 flat panel with silver & blue controls like slimstar TL models. (Steves pic) | ||
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Post# 1065054 , Reply# 75 3/29/2020 at 12:35 (1,093 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Afternoon All,
Great literature coming out like the Morphy Richard’s Twinny !! Enjoying the thread so much, it enthused me to have a play and went a started up the 3304 Hoovermatic yesterday :) Cheers Keith | ||
| Post# 1065056 , Reply# 76 3/29/2020 at 12:49 (1,093 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Hi all. Just a bit of info about what I think was the final Philips twin tub sold in the UK - the AAC870. Always liked the blue styling accents - very smart. Great thread! Paul | ||
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| Post# 1065151 , Reply# 80 3/30/2020 at 04:08 (1,092 days old) by Sesteve (London, UK) | ||
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Thought I’d add in some pictures of the Colston Ariston twin tub - the last incarnation of the Colston twin tubs but without the split washtub lid. The spin dryer on this has a clockwork safety catch on the lid and a plastic dog clutch on the spin drive which probably is the reason why the Colston machines remain elusive.
I love the drain hose arrangement on this version I’ve attached the link to a video of this machine in action CLICK HERE TO GO TO Sesteve's LINK | ||
| Post# 1065152 , Reply# 81 3/30/2020 at 04:33 (1,092 days old) by Sesteve (London, UK) | ||
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And here are the instructions for the Colston Coronet. Also the plastic dog clutch
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Twin Tub Binge Reading :'D These exclusive, Royal Doultonesque, Hyacinth Bouquet "Brochures" are so wonderful, I can't get enough of them, and that odd little Colston--what an alluring creature ! Thanks for the vid, Steve. A few more things need another reading before I can grasp it all, but I'm not clear on the Philips riverflow rinse: is it conducted in the wash tub, overflow style, or in the spinner like the Hoover auto-rinse? One of the pictures looks like a wash tub, but my perception could be off. Enlightenment please. How fascinating. So much variety. | ||
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Post# 1065197 , Reply# 84 3/30/2020 at 13:58 (1,092 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Fabulous brochure Steve, Keith & Paul, much bedtime reading, now its all 50 pages of small print no one understands in 6 languages.
Bring back the pictures, diagrams and over the top marketing I say !! Loving the silver and blue of the AAC870, last incarnation of the Philips, just looks so classy. Louis as far as I know it was, in the |Ada/ Philips factory in Hipperholme, Halifax taken over by White Knight who are just about to close it !! | ||
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Post# 1065198 , Reply# 85 3/30/2020 at 14:13 (1,092 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Philips Toptwin Twintub Washing Machine 1962 - 1974
Evening Mickey, now when I said over the top marketing we have all gasped at this,
RiverFlo Rinsing, basically the spin can is pear shaped with holes in the base, the spin and wash pump run constantly as soon as you switch mains on, you MANUALLY hose either warm or cold water over the clothes, like the video, water saturates and drips through but drains out of the spin can and is pumped away before you even spin. When the water is clear you then spin dry !! There You Go, manual hose and spin !! BUT it gets better The Toptwin control boast "Silent Friend" controls, presumably because they hardly make a sound when being used ha ha..so there we are. The marketing department must have been on herbal tea instead of Tetleys and thought "How can We Sell This" - But We Loves Them For It !! So now you can rest easy and sleep well Mickey !!
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Post# 1065199 , Reply# 86 3/30/2020 at 14:21 (1,092 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Colston Ariston
Glad its all working Steve, the Colston Ariston certainly has a place on the podium, just noticed the details like the hose storage, the little details that make it.
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@Keith Hoovermatic
Its in need of a respray but its working perfectly fine. Sadly I do not have a black ribbed hose but I can live with that :)
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Hi Austin,
I guess after 50yrs a bit of a respray is minor, good to hear its still working all ok. I had to put a new hose on mine, i did find a grey ribbed hose which is quite good. I did have to put some sealant around the side near the base of the spinner can as it was pitted and thought it may corrode further if it wasn’t sealed. Keith
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| Post# 1065331 , Reply# 89 3/31/2020 at 13:00 (1,091 days old) by reversomatic (east anglia,england,u.k.) | ||
Frigidaire twin tub by Philips
Great thread thanks Mike . I seem to remember seeing Frigidaire badged Philips twin tubs. The controls were mounted top right front of cabinet .A small rectangular dark blue,green panel with just 2 knobs. Wash timer and motor or heater . I think these were the some of the last machines as it had the 2 drain hoses out of the back the wash 1 having the ball stopper on end. The most common fault on the Philips twin tubs was pump failure due to them running continuously. Such a common fault that you could buy a pump overhaul kit impeller, seals and bearing bush, and a sod to fit. Regarding the G.E.C. space saver twin tub I once had the deluxe model the difference being that it had a variable thermostat for the heater and aluminium spin can instead of galvanised steel also pumped the water into to an outlet in the left hand top side of wash tub instead of hooked drain hose, A poor machine, single motor directly driving spin can with belts from it driving pulsators and no brake . Also heater and motor switches were interlocked so that motor and heater could not operate together. Wish I still had it though it was rare then 40 odd years ago when I was about 20. Regards Nige. P.S must not forget Rolls twin tubs, the Ford Anglia of machines for the commoners but still great and British.
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Post# 1065349 , Reply# 90 3/31/2020 at 15:49 (1,091 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Evening Nige, thanks, but Im only the starter catalyst , you guys provide all the gloss and information !! And am loving all the new information,
Nowthen, you mentioned that Frigidaire badged Philips twintubs, I hadnt realised that, thought they where Rolls etc, Please look at Keiths (keymatic) thread number Post Reply #75, Keith has sneaked a pic in without explaining it and nobody appears to have picked up on it, Is this the Frigidaire twinny badged by Philips that you mean.. I`ll make it easier, here it is...
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| Post# 1065355 , Reply# 91 3/31/2020 at 16:33 (1,091 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
The frigidaire twin tub 
had a few inherent faults .the washer lid had a plastic hinge that snapped after a few weeks use .the flimsy knobs broke easily [when going out to repair one of these i would often find a pair of pliers inside for switching on when the knobs had broken ,When asking the customer if they would like new knobs they would say dont bother they will only snap again] water would seep into the spin switch arm till it eventually seized and snapped off usually in the on position .The ball on the hose inevitably fell off .they went through spin bearings like i go through socks and no matter how much you tightened up the nuts holding the wheels on they would fall off constantly.All faults i look back on some 45 years later with much fondness
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| Post# 1065356 , Reply# 92 3/31/2020 at 16:35 (1,091 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
Colston
Twin Tubs
A Big thank you for this superb Thread & to Stephen for posting the Classic Colston Coronet Instruction Booklet. I am absolutely loving it!
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
"All faults I look back on some 45 years later with much fondness" Ha Ha ...
Morning Anthony, do you think they where downgraded for Frigidaire or would this have been the same for all Philips Twintubs as well ? How many Philips Twintubs did you service over other brands etc when you worked for HC Troldhal service agents ? I really love the look of the sleek Philips AAC870 & the Frigidaire, but equally the sleek Topline control panel.
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Post# 1065408 , Reply# 95 4/1/2020 at 05:25 (1,090 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Morning Craig, glad you`re enjoying the thread, did your family have the Colston Coronet Twintub then ?
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Post# 1065409 , Reply# 96 4/1/2020 at 05:37 (1,090 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Morning Mathew oh right was thinking it could be the Philips 870 badged etc, ah well, there are that many variations its easy to mix up, have never seen a Morphy Richards but do like the spinner lids & hinge position, almost Servis esque !!
Keith can you show us more pics please of the Frigidaire including inside and rear panel, Inquisitive minds eager to know.
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Post# 1065410 , Reply# 97 4/1/2020 at 06:07 (1,090 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Acme Twintub Washing Machine
Another twintub we have yet to come across is the Acme model, this was a big heavy twintub with gearbox using what must have been a first, the Agi Impellor, made in white plastic.
It has a powerful 2.7kw heater, a two speed wash action, Normal for Cottons, Gentle for Wollens / Delicates. The spin empty is through a swing arm (same as Acme De-Lux spinner) on the top of the twintub and can be moved in any direction to return suds to the washtub or swung over the sink for rinsing. Pictures courtesy of Trevor Howsam Film Prop Suppliers.. | ||
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Post# 1065411 , Reply# 98 4/1/2020 at 06:10 (1,090 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Acme Twintub Washing Machine
And the Ideal Home Report 1963 courtesy of (MatchboxPaul) , also did Philips make the Brunlec Twintub ?
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Post# 1065412 , Reply# 99 4/1/2020 at 06:33 (1,090 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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#frigidaire mastertwin
Morning All,
Busy morning with conference calls etc, with regards to the Mastertwin, it is just like the Rolls, the impeller and drain grid are in the same position as in the Rolls, one thing I did notice Anthony mentioned was the "ball on drain hose" the machine I have doesn't have this set up, albeit it does have a drain hose for the spinner side, but not for the washer side as there is a re-circulation jet which is the method to empty the wash tub. Mike; The machine is currently at mother's so I cant access that easy with the current Covid-19 situation, the back of the machine from memory is quite plain, just drain hose and power cord, I will get a pic when I'm next over there, tub shot attached. Weirdly Frigidaire promoted their wash action was "Impell-action" (Impellor) Matthew; I have had a look and I have a few bits on the EE Twin Star including some service information, few pics attached. EE did make a few different styles of "Twinstar" over the years. Cheers | ||
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AEG Lavalux twin tub
Today due to having time on my hands I am going to try and remove the spin can from the above mentioned washer as the although its all in good working condition, the spin mount has split and so the whole can has dropped to the floor, I have been told by a good number of people that the part is NLA so it will be taken apart to see if an improvisation can be constructed. Time will tell :)
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Stokvis twintub
Here is a Dutch Erres brochure as Stokvis was named in the NL. (Erres, short for R.S. Stokvis). Stokvis didn't make laundry appliances themselves, but it was sourced out to different manufacturers, the biggest one was the Dutch company Menkema.
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Post# 1065418 , Reply# 102 4/1/2020 at 08:54 (1,090 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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@Austin
Afternoon Austin,
Good luck with the AEG Lavalux, they were wonderfully built machines, but a bit tricky to work on sometimes, I have two, one with the copper drum and one with the blue lining, the valve diverter always seems to stick and seize - both of mine have required this unit removing and working on, a couple of years ago I thought, "I had better free that lever up" well went to yank it and it broke clean off..oppss !! luckily someone last year was selling some spares from a Lavalux and I got another lever. Hope it goes ok. Just sitting pondering on the Rolls concept of washing..the Impellor, so many companies jumped on the band-wagon with this method, Acme, Burco, EE, Frigidaire,Goblin..to name just a few, a good name with a cheap washing design !! Cheers | ||
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Post# 1065431 , Reply# 103 4/1/2020 at 09:59 (1,090 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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@keymatic/Keith
Good afternoon to you I trust you are relieving the boredom of quarantine ? lol
After spending a good few hours getting the AEG apart I have become stumped at removing the spin can ! Its a royal PITA to get off so at present its lying on its side while I come up with another way to remove and repair the spinner seal its torn all the way off the mount. Watch this space I will let you know how it goes..... Have never seen an Acme or many of the other brands mentioned they could not have lasted long ! Austin | ||
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Duomatic
Now that is a very interesting theory Matthew, and something I had never thought of, I always thought they were just varities of the Rolls/Tallent machines but of course both machines have a common ancestry.
Here is a Goblin in this Persil ad, and it does not appear to have a re-circulation nozzle Not sure which one this is, but it has the recirculation. I think this is a later Fairy Snow ad going by Joan's rather simpler hairstyle - they went on until around 1966 | ||
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Goblin twin tub, all their own work !
Years ago we had goblin twin tub in as scrapper so I had to do an autopsy. They were all Goblins own work. The reason why the suds return hole is so large is that they used a two in one crooked drain hose like a Servis. The pulsator was belt driven similar to the Twin star set up. Motors were adapted Goblin cleaner motors either LE1 or LE2, Two separate electric drain pumps made by Woolwich. The spin side was the same as their separate spinner. The cabinet was textured plastic coated steel so they were quite rust proof. This would have been late seventies when I was at my first job so it must have quite old then. A lot of interesting machines about then. Nige.
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Goblin Twintubs
Hello Nige, glad you got the chance to see and disect a Goblin twintub up close and confirm its not a Rolls in disguise.
My schoolmates mam had one the grey snakeskin effect I always described it as and who ever thought "Stelevetite" was a word never mind a plastic coated skin over the metal ha ha, I use to love the texture of it,also the controls down the front, slightly angled in and the pump lever control had a small burgundy knob on the end !! I never got to see underneath or the back come to think, we where always sent packing out of the kitchen when it was working lol.I do remember it was taller than the Rolls and much slimmer in depth.Cheers for the information.
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Post# 1065568 , Reply# 123 4/2/2020 at 06:12 (1,089 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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"Summerscales"
Nowthen we where talking about this yesterday and just when I went to get the pic for the Goblin my eyes popped out on realisation
"Was This Made By Goblin" ? looks like it And we see the model listed is available without automatic pump 75gns, so am assuming the lever is to engage the pump? or is it automatic 79gns with a stopper on the end of hose ? Did Goblin have a version of this ? with or without automatic pump? Was this a catalogue exclusive only ? pic courtesy Keith from Trafford 1961 catalogue
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@ Mike - Goblin Double G Twin Tub
Hi Mike,
This is a fascinating Twin tub and I have bought this machine into question sometime ago, not sure if that is the pic I posted ages ago from a Trafford mail order catalogue of 1961, but this machine has a unique washing action in the sense that it has a two-way washing action by both spinning the wash tub and also agitator action. I have an Electrical sales brochure from 1961 and it gives a good description in it but most of my books have been boxed up and are in the loft at my house which has just been rented out. I don't think there is much information out there on this machine, either W C Summerscales or Goblin. Cheers Keith | ||
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Post# 1065582 , Reply# 125 4/2/2020 at 08:51 (1,089 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Goblin Scales
Hi Keith, yes it is one you posted, I knew I hadnt lol..it becomes an even more fascinating machine, the lads where saying about the wash was swirling from right to left, opposite of the Rolls, makes sense now if Goblin built it and as they did all the others single tubs & wringers it would make sense to build their own, I wonder if Nige can help if he saw the mechanism or was the twin action something on the Summerscales only ?
Heres a Scales from Kays 1960 / 1 (MatchboxPaul) must be earlier but mentions the patented wash action ? and this shows a pipe for the spinner to bucket but the the description says two pumps for washer & dryer , so I wonder if earlier Goblin twintub had the pipe on side for spin empty as its like the Goblin spinner ?
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Post# 1065590 , Reply# 126 4/2/2020 at 10:38 (1,089 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Mike,
Arhhh another pic of the infamous "Double G" - I'm not sure what one came first, Summerscales or Goblin, I am leaning towards Scales and then Goblin took over, I have had a rummage and found the booklet that mentions the machine, it is from a magazine called "Switch on" and dates from March 1961 - see attached Gawd knows how the tub turned and also had an agitator...must have gone through tub seals like crazy !! So the adventure continues...lol Cheers Keith | ||
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Goblin Scales
Oh you may have cracked it there Keith, we where saying how the video of the Goblin looked like a Hoovermatic ie rolling water and wondered if they had used a Hoover for the video wash action...
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Colson
Mike
The Colston Twin Tub i can remember was from way back in 1973. The (Autoplus) - It had a drop down hinged lid hiding the Controls Dials. It was the best looking Colston Twin Tub Washer by far.
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Goblin double D
Thats great brainstorming Mathew, just looking at the video Al posted and you all mentioned "Its going in the opposite direction! thinking they might have intercut the video with a Hoover for demo purposes, but if the Twinline hose was being used as the jet on the LHS washtub entry port would that not force the water down on the left so rolling the water up from the bottom of the tub on the right? ie opposite to what the video is showing..
Also is they where using the twinline hose as the downward jet you would assume the hose exit hole was narrow for more forced water ? or they used a powerful dedicated pump motor to force pump the water out at speed, but then that would create its own problems on emptying as you would have a jet spraying water everywhere into the sink, unless emptying the washtub you used the spinner pump on a diverter valve.? The other possibility is that they did use a a recirculating jet on the right of the washtub like the Rolls but angled down into the washtub on the right so the water rolling effect comes up on the left and rollover is seen like the video ? Oh Thoughts, Thoughts & Thoughts, Keep them coming guys !! | ||
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Erres Stokvis
Around 1964 Erres Stokvis came out with a new line, were these sold in the UK too?
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Post# 1065726 , Reply# 137 4/3/2020 at 07:45 (1,088 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Acme Twin Speed
Hi Mike,
Just looking at some of the information that has come out on this thread and it is great and adds to the depth of knowledge which most of us crave about past machines. I did notice in your thread of #97 regarding the Acme Twin-Speed (pic courtesy of Trevor Howsam), I noticed that the rubber part of the discharge arm is that of the fill hose on the 260 Thor Automagic, albeit they changed the colour to grey on the Acme. I found one in the garage last night took a pic. I guess most washing machine companies at the time had access to various interchangeable parts form one machine to another. The white plastic agitator disc on this machine was very advanced for the time, but I do believe Goblin used a soft white rubber "Floating" agitator in the their single tub W140. Cheers
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Hi Keith yes its great when everyone comes together to share the knowledge or "Brainstorm" as many of us where doing all night I think ha ha, to find out how stuff works if we havnt seen an example of it.
I couldnt move the Acme Twintub when I was taking the pics but am sure it will be a gearbox with usual back n forth twinny action, its was so heavy to move but as Mathew says so does the little Acme spinner and that Acme is double the weight of the Hoovermatic ha ha.. Great you have the spares, was this also used on the Acme De-Lux spinner with metal arm , I cant remember, and prob right on the parts, I was stunned years ago when first saw the English Electric dryer with the Servis MK2 control knobs !! Spooky was just talking the Al about Goblin washer mechanism as where saying about the floating agitator and later the later floating white rubber hands reference Im assuming they just changed to a white rubber produced paddle ?
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Post# 1065730 , Reply# 139 4/3/2020 at 08:54 (1,088 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hey Mike,
Sometimes all this thinking makes one quite dizzy, we just need a time machine to go back and check them all out and even bring a few back..!! I have that Goblin washer, the agitator doesn't float in that one, I guess there wouldn't be any W140 around now as the rubber agitator would have crumbled away. Good inside shots of the Acme Twin-Speed !! Call the Midwife used that very machine. Cheers | ||
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Ref the Goblin Double D wash action, I wonder if its something like this Acme twintub, which unlike the big model above with the agi pellor is based on the Rolls cabinet or badged ?
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Post# 1065904 , Reply# 141 4/4/2020 at 16:45 (1,087 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Mike,
With Acme having a wash time of just 4 minutes this machine used the impeller like the Rolls. I think the Goblin Double G, had a unique washing action yet to be uncovered. Cheers
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Post# 1066155 , Reply# 145 4/6/2020 at 00:44 (1,085 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Colston
Many thanks Paul for taking the time to search & delve into the timeline history of those brands , and for the spreadsheets , breakfast reading as we speak.
I hadn't noticed the drop down cover panel on the Autoplus , Craig mentioned it in his post. The Philips Topline certainly went through a transformation from the heavy but very practical control panel to the sleeker flatter version of the final series , the whole range looked stunning in their silver & blue livery !! | ||
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Post# 1066170 , Reply# 148 4/6/2020 at 05:31 (1,085 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Acme Twintub Washing Machine
So where does the Acme I took pics of at Housams props place fit in datewise? Mathew having read your question and going back over the Which 1963 info and now Pauls further info, the 1963 report that machine is like the blue ones with a stainless band around the washdeck, Housams has a rubber band like Hoovers, same spinner but the washlid is tilted back like the Servis and it has a knob front left of the washdeck like a Servis wringer ? pump engage perhaps ? or agitator on / off ?
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Colston
Paul
Thank you so much for the Scans of the Colston Autoplus - Just as i remembered it, brings back so many good memories. I adored that Twin Tub.
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| Post# 1066261 , Reply# 150 4/6/2020 at 18:20 (1,085 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Bylock 'President' It seems to be a Rolls 'Super 66' by another name. Same - or similar - control panel. Pic courtesy of thenostalgiashop.co.uk.
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Bylock President
One might think it was a Rolls, and indeed I did myself until I took a good look at the photo, the control near the bottom of the machine was never seen on any Rolls, there is an inset plinth around the machine and its missing the two screws on the spinner side which all Rolls seem to have
The curious thing was that Bylock came to manufacture motors for Rolls (if they were not already doing so in 1961) and were bought over by Rolls in 1963 only to crash with them in 1964 when Rolls went bust. So there may well have been Bylock branded Rolls machines but this does not look like one of them | ||
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Post# 1066309 , Reply# 156 4/7/2020 at 04:40 (1,084 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Morning Al,
Just looking at the Bylock "President" I wonder if it Bylock used some of the parts from newly amalgamated company by Rolls. I had a look at some other Rolls machines and the Electromatic didn't have any spin-dryer cabinet side screws. I think there was a cross over of lots of parts, like I mentioned earlier Acme used the same rubber discharge arm as the Thor Automagic fill flume. All these quirky oddities that come out of these threads. Cheers Keith
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When I moved out of my digs in 1988, I bought a second-hand Hoovermatic from a vendor who supplied spare parts to our cleaning supplies firm. It had the 'orange trim' switches. Loved that machine and I donated it to a charity when i left the job to return to college in 1989. I also used the Hoovermatic wash motor to drive a replica of an "R2-D2" robot we built for a school musical in 1982. It was removed off a scrap twin tub from a neighbour. Dad used parts of its chassis to fabricate new hinge mountings for the boot lid off my Mum's 1976 Fiat 128 - the car was just 6 years old but the boot lid was already falling off as the hinge mountings had crumbled with rust! Unbelievable that could happen to a 6 year old car today!!
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Post# 1066422 , Reply# 158 4/8/2020 at 06:39 (1,083 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoovermatic
Great story Peter, did the Hoovermatic have white or silver lids ?
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| Post# 1066427 , Reply# 159 4/8/2020 at 08:28 (1,083 days old) by NilfiskGA70 (Limerick, Ireland) | ||
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Hello, Mike
Yes, that last pic is exactly like the one I bought back then. It had the white lids and it was pristine when I got it for the discounted sum of £80 as our repair shop was a valued customer of the vendor - a one-man firm going by the name of PB Spares Ltd. He was also a great friend of the boss and he would leave us till last after doing his round of his customers in Limerick, just so he could hang on and go out with us that Friday night for a few scoops. The machine was faultless and made a great job of the laundry, but I always ended up having to take a mop to the floor when the job was done! Hope you are enjoying the spring sun, good drying on the line...getting the trusty lawnmower out with its 31 year old Briggs & Stratton MAX motor, spent another great summer years ago fixing B&S engines for a repair shop in my native Galway. The engine has outlasted 2 decks now, and still catches on one or two pulls of the cord. They don't make them as good today. Regular oil changes are the key. | ||
| Post# 1066737 , Reply# 160 4/10/2020 at 08:38 (1,081 days old) by aquacycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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The frigidaire twin tub
Hi Mike
that Phillips Tt is rather nice looking much neater than the Frigidaire version .When i worked for HCT [some 45 years ago now ] i worked on mainly Frigidaire and Hoover machines sometimes there would be the odd Hotpoint. That earlier Frigidaire TT in post 6919 [very much like the rolls ] had an English electric clone .It looked the same but the controls were arranged differently on the front however the main and most important difference was hidden inside .Instead of the usual decent size motor directly driving the wash impeller a second spin motor and belt arrangement was used .Those spin motors while perfectly adequate for driving a spin dryer could not handle the load and would burn out quickly .Another thing i have remembered about the Frigidaire [the later model] is that it had two hoses on the back [one with the ball for emptying the tub and the other for draining the spinner .A really bad design in my opinion .You have the pump running constantly but the water is held back by the ball .Surely the old recirculating idea was better .Ok so we are talking about TTs can anyone tell me if there is an easy way to get the knobs off a Hoover 5090 without removing the complete top.The alloy plate with the decals on has come loose and rattles like mad when the spinner is on | ||
| Post# 1066930 , Reply# 164 4/11/2020 at 14:45 (1,080 days old) by supertwin59 (shropshire, england, united kingdom) | ||
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Replies 121 and 160. 121, Matthew, oh the agony of being foisted with stereotypical masculine pastimes, we understand each others exasperation? 160, Aquacycle, great to see those pics again: photo 10 of 14; that was the service twintub my mum bought 1974/5, but I think it was white spray painted may where stainless steel is pictured? Regards, Walter | ||
| Post# 1067044 , Reply# 165 4/12/2020 at 09:24 (1,079 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Great Universal 1999. Possibly one of the last twin tub appearances?
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Hi Chris Thanks for the 1999 catalogue page, showing the servis retro tub and the final hotpoint 9404. I too have both those models being sold into 1999 - I wonder if they made it into 2000? Paul | ||
| Post# 1067222 , Reply# 168 4/13/2020 at 16:12 (1,078 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Correction Instead of Rapide De Luxe, I should have said Concorde ...
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I’ve also just found a Gumtree listing for this quite unique Panasonic microprocessor control twin tub.
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| Post# 1067285 , Reply# 173 4/14/2020 at 05:43 (1,077 days old) by Hoover0308 (Brisbane Australia ) | ||
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I like to call it the Spankedomatic Mattywashboy, I have a Smackulator, or Spankedomatic coming up from Sydney. My next project after finishing the Hoover 0308 reno | ||
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Post# 1068424 , Reply# 174 4/21/2020 at 01:54 (1,070 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Acme
Acme laundry appliances were sold in the Netherlands too. Here is a Dutch brochure.
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Post# 1068435 , Reply# 175 4/21/2020 at 05:55 (1,070 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Acme..
Just added one of those Acme Sunbreeze Tumble Dryers to my collection, it will look great next to the Thor Automagic in the utility room with the nicely aligned French grey trim :)
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| Post# 1068437 , Reply# 176 4/21/2020 at 06:13 (1,070 days old) by nilfiskGA70 (Limerick, Ireland) | ||
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Loved that Lightburn 'Smackulator' - found it funnier watching the video over and over a few times. What an unusual, but seemingly effective wash action, couldn't stop laughing out loud despite it bringing back memories of the occasional 'visit' to the principal's office in school in the early 80's! (cue the quotation 'Assume the position' from the movie 'Dead Poet's Society').
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| Post# 1068522 , Reply# 177 4/21/2020 at 15:52 (1,070 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK)) | ||
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That's an interesting brochure Louis, I didn't know that Acme had a twin speed wringer washer as well as the twin tub Ian | ||
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Post# 1068639 , Reply# 179 4/22/2020 at 12:48 (1,069 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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You're welcome Paul,
Did you manage to understand the descriptions? Just in case you didn't, all models have a pump, the variations are with or without a wringer and with or without a heater. I had the Acme centrifuge, never used it though, the bearings were totally gone. I like the rinse-spinner with pump. | ||
| Post# 1068650 , Reply# 181 4/22/2020 at 13:11 (1,069 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Hi Louis. Would it be... ACME 10 … with electric wringer and unheated ACME 20 … as per the 10, but heated ACME 30 … as per the 10, but without the electric wringer & ACME 40 … as per the 30, but heated ? Paul | ||
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Post# 1068792 , Reply# 184 4/23/2020 at 09:14 (1,068 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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ACme Wringer Washer...
Afternoon All,
I can't find any reference to the ACME 10/20/30/40 wringer washer being sold in the UK, however I have a sales pamphlet for the Acme Minor dating from the early 60's. Not sure if all the spinners have been found, the pump model is yet to be discovered. Cheers Keith | ||
| Post# 1068852 , Reply# 185 4/23/2020 at 13:01 (1,068 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK)) | ||
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Superheat Paul It's buried behind two wringers, two twin tubs and a dishwasher in the dining room! I'll dig it out for you at the weekend and let you know. Cheers Ian | ||
| Post# 1068893 , Reply# 186 4/23/2020 at 18:51 (1,068 days old) by nilfiskGA70 (Limerick, Ireland) | ||
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Some really unusual models I have never seen or heard of - amazing the ingenuity of people - so many different solutions and designs with one purpose in mind: cleaning laundry. I spent 7 weeks in the Philippines back in 1997 - our firm had a plant in Cavite, approx. 30 miles south of Manila and I was sent to train the technicians on some of our equipment which was being transferred there. Pity I had not been more observant of their laundry solutions - I saw it all: from the women washing laundry by hand in the river near Hidden Valley Springs, to the huge variety of twinnies - not a front loader in sight. Twinnies that nobody in the Northern hemisphere ever saw. The house I stayed in was in a suburb of Manila called Ayala Alabang, rented by our firm - it sported a large upright Maytag washer and dryer. Love the ACME brand, brings many happy memories enjoying Wily-E-Coyote and the Road Runner cartoons on our 1977 colour Philips G8 telly as a kid. As an aside, for the Rolls experts out there - was there a Rolls type washer in single tub format? I am almost certain that my Gran had something like that - the large circular grating and the bottom-mounted impeller are exactly what I remember but I am certain it was not a twin tub. It was replaced by a Servis Supertwin around 1980 when I was 13/14 years old.
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| Post# 1068978 , Reply# 187 4/24/2020 at 05:11 (1,067 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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| Post# 1068981 , Reply# 188 4/24/2020 at 05:25 (1,067 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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| Post# 1068993 , Reply# 189 4/24/2020 at 06:46 (1,067 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK)) | ||
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Numbers Hi Paul Done some shuffling about. It is indeed a Mk19, serial number 19WM98340. Hope that helps Ian | ||
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Post# 1069007 , Reply# 191 4/24/2020 at 08:08 (1,067 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Mathew,
As you say there were many single tub washers on the market who all jumped on the band-wagon once the Rolls washing concept was launched around the very early 60's, cheap and easy to manufacture !! I picked up a brand new Flatley washer some years back, which is now in the loft boxed & never used, very basic no pump, heater and yes no switch just plug in and away you go !! Keith | ||
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hoover 5090
yes i know its relative youngster compared to some of the machines here but we have had it since new .its been in constant use for the last year while doing the house up and has performed faultlessly every time. i have managed to get the knobs off and have straightened the panel as best as i can [yes its a bit of a mess but considering it was almost bent double its not bad .just wondering if anyone can recommend a good glue to stick it back on with.I don t want to have to do this again so the glue needs to be good .My mum had the very first incarnation of this machine in the late fifties and if i remember correctly we got a new on about every ten years this being the last one .i can remember my dad replacing the spin motor rubber mounts on one of them with three cotton reels because they were snapping frequently it ran for years like that .Mum once asked me if it was possible to do away with the safety switch for the spin dryer on the front of this machine [she found it really annoying being used to the older machine where you would just lift the lid ]needless to say i said no
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That's an interesting picture Paul, I'm guessing that's the unheated Supertwin as it doesn't have the thermometer dial. But isn't that light between the controls a heater 'on' light? I wonder if its a touched up picture and someone missed a bit? Ian | ||
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Hoover twin tub repair manual
Hey Guys,
Not sure if this is the right thread to post in, but I have recently been able to use some of my vintage machines that have been packed away for a while. I have a 1970's Hoover twin tub that, of course, has a pump problem. Anybody have service manuals for these machines? I think I might be able to repair and rebuild the pump. Any help would be appreciated. Ron | ||
| Post# 1069519 , Reply# 199 4/27/2020 at 08:28 (1,064 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Fairy Snow advert Is this a Hoovermatic in this advert? www.hatads.org.uk/catalog... | ||
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T5090 Hi Anthony. Were the fascias glued on, double sided taped on, or held on with tabs? Not au fait with adhesives I am afraid - would a thick, double sided and waterproof tape do the trick? Paul | ||
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Hi Paul, managed to get a serial plate confirmation for my Green & Cream Servis Twintub, it is indeed a MK27 dated from 1963.
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Not forgetting the Australian Hoovermatic 3304 Slight differences to itself cousins. Here is mine in action... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Hoover0308's LINK | ||
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Post# 1078843 , Reply# 206 6/27/2020 at 03:36 (1,003 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoovermatic
Great job on the restoration Stephen, once used never forgotten, the spinner lid section is different to ours in the UK , does this have the pinch pump like the US or chamber pot like the UK models ?
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Post# 1078866 , Reply# 207 6/27/2020 at 09:29 (1,003 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Mike,
Always loved the 3309L, mum’s first twin tub in 1968 after the burco went. Nice charcoal lines :) My 3304E is going off this coming Wednesday to be sprayed, it’s not too bad just a needs a once all over in off-white and the base trim in light grey. Cheers Keith
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Post# 1078960 , Reply# 208 6/28/2020 at 02:53 (1,002 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoovermatic 3309L
Hi keith yes have always like the charcoal effect range, my Gran had the single tub after the Empress and a lovely black bridging unit that was never gonna fit a Creda debonair spinner lol..
So did your mum have a Burco twintub or wringer / boiler ? I was amazed to learn mum only had a burco boiler and stand wringer until I was 2 when my sister was born and in came the new Servis Supertwin MK2 in 1963. Look forward to seeing pics n vids of the 3304 after its repaint, just noticing the pitting on the spinner lid inside ridge, ours rotted through with holes after contact with the caustic powder of the time.
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Post# 1078967 , Reply# 209 6/28/2020 at 04:08 (1,002 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Mike,
Mum had a square Burco boiler (F44 - i think :) with a fleetway wringer from 66-68, then got the 3309L. When all of us (4) moved to my nan’s two-up, two-down in 77, while our house was being built mum gave nan the twintub as the new house had the 1509 & liberator dryer. That twinny went on till 1990, 22yrs !! Im only having the exterior painted on Wednesday, i need to clean the spinner lid bracket up at some point. If he does a good job the 3334 is going next. Is £70 expensive for a full paint & possibly a bit of shot blasting and treating ? I will post when its back Cheers Keith | ||
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Morning Keith, its amazing to think in our lifetime our mums didnt have the luxury of "Washday, Just Forget It" but they were not on their own, how technology has moved on rapidly from 1957 with the first Hoover twinny to 3 yrs later with the Hoover automated Keymatic etc..
Mum had the baby burco from 1960 till 1963 when the Servis Supertwin MK2 appeared and then 1978 the Servis Slimline 850 appeared. Mum actually hated the auto at first as " The wash basket was never cleared" on any given day, there would always be one item then needed others for a full load etc, unlike a twinny where you could race through a family wash in a couple of hours. Mum actually took to the dishwasher quicker than the auto ha ha..The grandkids just look at you daft when I point out how their gran used the twinny and same with great grans with wringers / washboilers etc !!
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Post# 1079547 , Reply# 213 7/2/2020 at 03:50 (998 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Mike,
It is amazing how the technological advances in washing machines seemed to jump in leaps and bounds in the early 60's - within 5 years we had gone from Single tub with wringer to Twin tub then to Automatic, I guess if the demand is there that fuels to desire to have the next best product !! On another note the 3304E went off to the powder coating sprayers yesterday in the delightful pouring rain, this is a new company I am trying so we will see how that turns out, the guy seemed very interested in the machine but didn't understand how you used it albeit he was in his 50's and I would have thought he would have seen a twinny before !! lol - I will keep you posted. Austin, the freedom to choose to have the odd play with a vintage machine is ideal, I like many others on here have had to do weeks / months of twin tub washing when I have moved house etc and whilst I didn't mind doing it, typically on a Saturday morning it can be a bit of a chore as opposed to just chucking it in and letting the machine do the whole cycle while you get on and do other things..as Mike said "Washday - just forget it" Cheers Keith | ||
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Twinny Washday
Great stories Mathew, yes stepping over piles of laundry , saying that with kids in school & hubby at work most of the family never saw what went on unless mum was working and it was done at night or the weekend.
Another benefit of twinny washing was even after multiple washloads and top ups the water was always used to wash the floor down and the kitchen was gleaming, a process that judging by many ebay pics of washers being sold is not carried out much these days !! And the housewife always had the final say ha ha, have heard that story so often from older repair men, if the husband bought the washer the wife didnt like - "It went out and what she wanted came in " lol..
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Great stories indeed from Matthew. "just get out of my b****y way so I can get the job done"; the battle cry of the harassed 50s/60s housewife even after a strong cup of typhoo and and a moggadon tablet!!!!!!! | ||
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Post# 1079860 , Reply# 216 7/5/2020 at 02:57 (995 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1957- 1990
Thats a good price for a spray job on the Hoovermatic Keith, last another 50yrs !! and yes when you think just how much in washing machines has changed, now we seem to have hit a peak with same old same old.
Funnily enough I spoke to Aunty Mags earlier, she said "How do You Remember All These Details", turns out her twinny was the 3304 with heater as she always boiled the whites in it, small amount of water with Persil then filled up to wash !! I remember the round badge, 2 controls, hose out the back but never sure heater or not, now we know...
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1957- 1990
Morning Walter, yes if you had a Hoovermatic your floor got a free wash every time, like it or not , its a feature you never had on a Servis did you ?
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1957 - 1990
Looking through Chris Parkers catalogue thread (Reply #160 ) it shows the Frigidaire twinny that is the Philips 3202 from 1969 with agitator ??
Ps, I cant believe this threads been going months and no one has mentioned the glaring typo ? Im only human and head like a sieve sometimes !! ha ha...
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Not sure if I posted this either - another view of the Frigidaire
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| Post# 1080075 , Reply# 228 7/6/2020 at 16:53 (994 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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the Frigidaire brochure
nice to see those machines again .Haven't seen a jetamatic in 40 years nice machine .we once got the American version in for repair [imported by a doctor ]I went to a large rambling house on the outskirts of Middlesbrough to collect it .Once in the house we were taken to the scullery where the jetamatic lived with its matching dryer both in bright yellow enamel.The wqasher had a big transformer to drop the voltage down to 110 [the jetamatic had no heater]The fault was that while the machine would wash it wouldn't spin Hmm clutch plates i thought [thinking i would have to order them from the states] i was pleasantly surprised to find they were the same as the ones fitted to the uk version .fitted a new set and away it went .Must have cost an arm and a leg to import those machines to the UK .The Frigidaire spin dryers were great and very popular i think back in the day loads of people bought on to go with their wringer washer [usually chucking the wringer]There was an earlier version of the spinner in cream with a chrome handle and a grey band round the lid along with a rubber spout launched around 1958/9 exactly the same inside. I once called to a house in hartlepool to repair one of the older spin dryers .The lady was so happy with her working spin dryer she gave me a fridge [A huge cream Frigidaire ]that had stopped working .her husband had bought a new Fridge freezer [they were just catching on over here in the early 70s]I called back later with my brother to collect the beast and took it home [still living at home back then]Once home i plugged it in just to see what was up .A quick click then nothing .relay i thought .brought one home from work the next day and fitted it and switched on again there was that click again but this time i was rewarded with that comforting purr that modern fridges dont make .Mum was delighted [she had never had a fridge till then .Mums gone now but the fridge is in the kitchen still purrrrrrrring away like mad.Sorry for rambling on guys
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Post# 1080133 , Reply# 229 7/7/2020 at 04:18 (993 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1957 - 1990
Oh Steve, lovely Hotpoint brochures and dark blue Hygena kitchen as well BUT whats with all those trades descriptions ? "Frothing" pushing it a bit there ha ha..
Walter yes hard to imagine with twinnies and autos about just how long the Empress and other wringers carried on being made, Servis still produced the compact up to 1976... | ||
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1957 - 1990
Morning Anthoney, no need to apologise for rambling, its great information to hear about machines from people like yourself who worked on them. I used love seeing those Frigidaire thumpers in the local launderettes, amazing wash action.
So did the UK Jetamatic have a heater in it at all ? I think it was a solid tub with overflow rinse,? did you work on many of our models ? ps. Can you confirm if the above frigidaire twinny was indeed the Philips version with agitator ( Reply 218 ) | ||
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"Bless This House" I saw part of an episode last week, possibly on ForcesTV. There was what I took to be an Indesit L5 in Diana Coupland's kitchen, to the left of the back door. | ||
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Has been on Forces TV for quite a while :)
Always watched it to see what machine they had it was a Frigidaire Twin tub I never saw her use though. We had an L5 in 1977 so I recognised that when it arrived in their kitchen, from what I can recall there were not many programs where you saw the washing machine at all. Austin | ||
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I remember that in the 'Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads', the episode where they go on a bike ride, there was a Rolls Rapide twin-tub in Terry's sister's kitchen (Sheila Fearn). And 'The Liver Birds' featured an Indesit automatic. | ||
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Post# 1080268 , Reply# 235 7/8/2020 at 02:58 (992 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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| Post# 1080340 , Reply# 237 7/8/2020 at 12:29 (992 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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| Post# 1080423 , Reply# 238 7/9/2020 at 13:31 (991 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Hi Chestermikeuk
Our uk Jetamatic did have a heater [the biggest one i have ever seen on a washing machine ] The american version didn't [not a good idea when you only have 110 volts to play with ]The later Frigidaire TT was indeed a Phillips clone but i am not sure about the earlier model of which there were two .They looked identical from the outside the only noticeable difference was one would have a blue plate behind the knobs .the other had a black one .The machine with the blue Plate [the one i have seen in every episode of Bless this house this week ]had a large induction motor one end directly driving the wash impeller the other end of the motor shaft driving the recirculate pump while the one with the black plate had a second spin motor driving the same impeller and a pump by means of a pulley and a v belt [also seen on an English electric machine]While the small motor was quite capable of driving the spin dryer it was too small and under powered to drive the wash impeller under full load .Both machines used the same spin bearing assembly as the Frigidaire spin dryer .Incidentally the early Twintub had a worktop specially shaped to fit the sort of elliptical shape of the machine .So to sum up the earlier machine it appeared to have a rolls wash tub set up and a Frigidaire spin dryer in one cabinet All accessed through the bottom [wish i could get hold of one then you could see what i mean] I once had one of these machines upside down in the workshop doing a repair while the apprentice next to me was busy changing a compressor on a fridge .When he decided to do a test on the fridge and plugged it in [you guessed it ] he put the wrong plug in [TT plug ] 43 years later i still have the scars on mu right hand to remind me of that day
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| Post# 1080430 , Reply# 239 7/9/2020 at 13:56 (991 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Hi Chestermikeuk
To answer your other question .The Jetamatic was an overflow rinse machine .The company i worked for H C Troldhal were part of GM and were agents for Hoover and Hotpoint Ariston Colston as well as Frigidaire Who also made an automatic machine [the Auto 50 and 51 ] that ran alongside the TTs.Another machine that i worked on back then but have never clapped eyes on since was an automatic labelled Mc Enzie [never seen one since ]A very basic simple machine It reminded me of the early indesit machines with t removable plate on the front for access to the pump .A very basic machine with a slow spin and just one control .The timer select programme and pull to start . The two compartment soap dispenser had a valve that was moved by a plastic bar attached to the timer .On start up water flows into compartment one taking the powder .At the rinse stage the timer would pull the plastic bar moving the valve over to the softener compartment eliminating the need for an extra solenoid valve
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@Anthony
Afternoon Anthony,
Great to hear the first hand experience of the Frigidaire Jetamatic washer, on that subject my Mastertwin has independent wash and spin motors. The whole machine is an square-ish oval shape with worktop to match. As you said basically a Rolls washer side with a Frigidaire spinner side. Cheers Keith | ||
| Post# 1080496 , Reply# 244 7/10/2020 at 11:22 (990 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Back to twin tubs Does anyone know who provided these twin tubs for a number of the elctricity boards at all? They were sold through the Midlands Electricity Boards and MANWEB at the very least, but I don't know who provided them. Cheers Paul | ||
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The frigidaire twin tub
nice to see a surviving Frigidaire mastewrtwin complete with its lid.Your right Paul.there were two models [you have jogged my memory a little ] The machine without the heater was the one that had a spindryer motor driving the wash impeller .Obviously made to a budget.If i remember rightly underneath where the induction motor would have been there was a flywheel attached with a v belt connecting the motor pump and flywheel .They were [in my opinion a much better machine than the later Phillips clone which was rather flimsy and cheap looking .the very fast spin dryer was much quieter and efficient than the Hoover models of the day and had a nice enamelled spin can .That McKenzie is the later updated version of the ones i worked on [probably cost a bit more ]As i said earlier its pump was very much like an early Indesit the pump being driven by the other end of the main wash motor and accessible through the round hatch on the front .theres that tel tale small door just like the indesit .Found Sid Abbot having his breakfast in front of the TT this morning
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Post# 1080586 , Reply# 247 7/11/2020 at 07:08 (989 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Frigidaire Twinnies
Hi Anthoney , glad we got to the bottom of the "Who Made Which Frigidaire Twinny" ha ha, I think the Philips version looks the smartest IMHO, and great to know in the rolls version the original Spinner was used. fab spinners they are.
Hope the hand injury recovered well, my worst nightmare a plug in the wrong socket, thank goodness for plug in circuit trippers although unless a fault it would not have helped you in that moment. Great to know the Frigidaire Jetamatic had a powerful heater, heres a pic with the "Fill & Heat" on the first timer position. I must check if the water capacity was more than the Hotpoint toploader . I did love seeing those turquoise thumpers in the self serve Frigidaire Launderette when as a kid with Nan getting the velvet winter curtains dry cleaned. Did you do much work on the Frigidaire french produced H-Axis Top loader with tumble dryer ? (in 3rd pic) | ||
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| Post# 1080780 , Reply# 249 7/12/2020 at 16:02 (988 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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the Frigidaire top loaser [french ]
Sorry to say i never got my hands on one of those .getting back to the jetamatic .I was never impressed by its performance .Although the agitation process was quite vigorous under a full load it did not work well [we would often do load tests with say a full load of towels ] the machine would be loaded up to say the top vane on the agitator and then soap powder was sprinkled directly onto the clothes switch on [usually with a screwdriver stuck in the lid switch]the machine would fill and start to wash now although the thing was thumping up and down as it should the load would barely be moving .Simply by removing one towel the roll over would work perfectly so although the machine was not overloaded its not true to say it can wash a 9 Lb load .the spin was very average and the water usage was astronomical by today's standards .In my opinion the Hotpoint wins hands down and unless my memory is playing tricks on me i am sure the Jetamatic was a lot bigger than the Hotpoint.I was given a Hotpoint top loader around 1977 [I had just got married and we only had a twin tub ]and after using it for a week or two i was thoroughly impressed. My wife at the time was enthralled at what it could do to a load of dirty nappies .She loved it consequently when we got divorced she took it with her
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Post# 1083532 , Reply# 251 8/2/2020 at 04:40 (967 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Twintub Washing Machines 1959 - 1990
Heres a short video showing the Hotpoint 1400 Supermatic Twintub (Hotpoints first from 1959) and the Spin Guard accessory. There was a slight gap between the spin drum and outer can so it was possible to lose small items inbetween
while transferring from the washtub. Here is Mathew (Keymatic3203) with his Hotpoint Supermatic demonstrating the use of the Spin Guards, love the colour and matches the filter flow perfectly. | ||
| Post# 1083587 , Reply# 252 8/2/2020 at 13:07 (967 days old) by Mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Two clever features The lint filter and panel that can raised to open the spinner chamber. Unique to English Electric? | ||
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Post# 1083737 , Reply# 256 8/3/2020 at 10:06 (966 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Afternoon Walter,
Hotpoint first introduced the Filter clean action when the original Supermatic was launched in 1959, with regards to the access panel on the spinner side I believe this first came out on the 1420 Hotpoint Supermatic - consumers obviously found small garments slipping between the spin can and outer drum. Keith | ||
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Keith ....thank-you for info. I have learnt so much about UK twin tubs from this thread. Walter. | ||
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English Electric Liberator Twintub
Hi Keith , yes it is one smart looking twintub, whats the timeline as to which came first the EE or Hotpoint 1420 ?
Very different with the jazzy lids and the spin open cover for checking the outer can. Love the brush filter as well. Is the one Kevin Cox has with red agitator and brush filter a later model then ? (pic courtesy matchboxpaul) Walter thats great & how we all learn, everyone pooling their knowledge, and always more to lean as well !!
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AEG Lavamat
While the thread say British Twintubs, the AEG is included as it was sold here and many are still about. Its a very sturdy twintub, with an aluminium washtub and a heavy copper spin can. The spinner drive is very unique,
the brush motor is horizontal with a rubber wheel on the end, this sits against a rubber flywheel attached to the spin can. It also boasts 3 motors for wash, spin and pump, love the large clunky pump lever feels like driving a tractor ha ha... | ||
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Post# 1083821 , Reply# 261 8/4/2020 at 04:35 (965 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Morning Mike,
Umm good question, I would have thought the 1420 came first (1964/5) and then when the merger happened between GEC/AEI/English Electric (1967/68) that's when EE could have acquired any left over machine parts from the old Hotpoint Supermatic 1400. Hotpoint restyled the Supermatic from the 1400 to the 1420 and when this was again restyled to the 1450 1967(ish) all the redundant 1400/1420 parts were then pushed to EE and the Liberator was introduced as the machine's main structure is virtually identical to that of the 1400 & 1420. With regards to Kevin's 4151 as pictured, this must date from late 60's possibly early 70's ? Regards | ||
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Just catching up here, Mike and company.
This one surprised me at how well it turned those sheets, and delighted to see what a precise and expert wringer Matthew is. Are there two pumps at work in this machine? When I find the pix & vids, I'll show you how, for a few years, Lady K's had a filter exactly like the EEL Twin tub and Wringer. And the Lady K's came after the EEL's. Guessing Whirlpool copied it, the bloody pirates, LOL. | ||
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Post# 1083872 , Reply# 264 8/4/2020 at 14:19 (965 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Ian,
Interesting information that comes out of these discussions, i just had a look at some of the information I have and it looks like the EE “Twin Star” was launched in 1964, although I believe there were earlier versions. In all the brochures & literature it was on sale the same time as the Liberator. I guess it gave EE foot in both camps - agitator & high speed disc washing methods, this may have been why that put their name on what was predominantly a Hotpoint Supermatics machine. There several differences as you say lids etc, I wonder if the suds return hole is covered up with the long name plate. I would say all the internal machine is the same as 1420 but cosmetically they changed a few exterior features. Just need to find that elusive 1420 now !!! Cheers K | ||
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Very true, I'd love to see a 1420 again, although I suppose Mums would probably have been a 1421 as it was unheated. Here's the article.
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EE Liberator
Great information guys, have just checked and appears the Hotpoint 1420 came out in 1963 and had a 2,850 pm spin.
And the English Electric as Ian states was 1966 with a same 2,850 spin speed. Main difference as well was the filterflow on the Hotpoint from central outlet and EE using the earlier Hotpoint tub with outlet in the corner for the brush filter .
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Brush Filter Video ~
Bet those extended fins on the Hotpoint could really make some powerful currents; its's just like the early GE style, but that poor AEG Lavamat's wash action--not in the same league as the British TT's.
One very warm winter day, I pulled out the Lady K to wash outside. Here's a vid of the cylindrical brush filter Whirlpool/Kenmore pirated from English Electric Liberator. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Mickeyd's LINK | ||
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These photos are a little rubbish as the machine is back together so it’s difficult to see the undercarriage !!! Your right Keith the black plugs fill in the holes where the filter flow hose would have passed through and the other is where the suds return was on the 1420 !! The brown smearing is old adhesive that was there to stop them falling out I presume
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Cheers Darren for confirming that, I do like the look of the EE console with the raised and angled profile. Look forward to using it again soon..
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Brush Filter
Good morning Mickey, and wow yes "Which Came First" lol, looks great filtering the water, gotta Love "The Lady Kenmore" could almost be British with a title like it has.
I do like how both are gentle in action but still very effective, now if that was on the end of a Hoovermatic pump we would all be running for cover. Thanks for sharing, Cheers, Mike
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Hi Mike / Darren,
I think the EE Liberator has to be one of the stylish twin tubs, the attention to details is vast, from Brush filtering to the extra refinements for example the "cotton real" cord protector to the spin hose guard on the back panel. I guess the 1420 would be the exception to the rules having as Hotpoint quoted "Brains as well as Beauty" The Australian Supermatic "Galamatic" was quite nice being a combination of both the 1420 and the 1400 as it had the spin discharge arm. Cheers
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Post# 1084559 , Reply# 278 8/10/2020 at 07:32 (959 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Servis Twin Tub MK1 In blue and white.
After a little repair to the spin pump and darn good clean and descale as it came from a hard water area. I present my latest acquisition :)
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| Post# 1085119 , Reply# 280 8/15/2020 at 04:42 (954 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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the 3226 has the most discreet plumbing, or could we hope the set designers to have put the tap adaptors on the sink taps I wonder. A lovely Servis Austin, I've got the all cream model. Mathew | ||
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Post# 1085144 , Reply# 281 8/15/2020 at 09:22 (954 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hey Austin,
Great Servis Mk1 there, always liked to Sky Blue out of all the Servis colours :) here’s mine in the same blue but cream base colour option. Cheers Keith
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Post# 1089742 , Reply# 285 9/17/2020 at 16:00 (921 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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| Post# 1089825 , Reply# 286 9/18/2020 at 18:01 (920 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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found these today
while looking for something on vacuums. Thought they might be interesting to someone
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| Post# 1089826 , Reply# 287 9/18/2020 at 18:05 (920 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Post# 1089965 , Reply# 289 9/20/2020 at 05:40 (918 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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| Post# 1089969 , Reply# 291 9/20/2020 at 06:25 (918 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Hi Keith. Did you mean that you have a PYE twin tub in your collection? If so, any pictures of it possible? I like 'Gayday' too! lol.. Paul | ||
| Post# 1089973 , Reply# 293 9/20/2020 at 06:30 (918 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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Thanks Rolls_Rapide, for the links to the department store histories. Just read up on John James, via the history on the flickr link - what a generous bloke he was. Paul | ||
| Post# 1089980 , Reply# 295 9/20/2020 at 07:03 (918 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Rolls 'Electromatic MkII' That must have been one of the ones affected by either wobbling all over the place in a very dangerous-looking way - due to the introduction of the spinner brake, or flooding the kitchen due to the emptying pump. | ||
| Post# 1089984 , Reply# 297 9/20/2020 at 07:35 (918 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Gayday twin tub They couldn't have sold many of those, not with that advertising blurb: "Twin tub, 3kW heater. Complete with heat resisting table top. No twin tub, 3kW heater. Tangle washing action." Hmm. | ||
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Post# 1089991 , Reply# 298 9/20/2020 at 08:32 (918 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Post# 1089993 , Reply# 299 9/20/2020 at 08:35 (918 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Rolls Rapide
I have a newspaper clipping that I have scanned but its not too bright, Re the gentleman who started the Rolls machines to be sold in UK it is an interesting article and explains why he went bust etc I will try and locate it.
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Post# 1089994 , Reply# 300 9/20/2020 at 08:36 (918 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Sadly I have them the wrong way round | ||
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Post# 1090020 , Reply# 301 9/20/2020 at 12:53 (918 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Hi Austin,
Had a quick rumage and found some techincal data on Rolls spinner, i believe its general info as opposed to a model specific. With regards to the “Pye” twin tub - i got this from a guy in Crommer / Norwich many years ago, he had, had a shop which he owned but went bust but instead of getting rid of the stock he bought all the stock back to his house, he had hundreds of spares, going back to the mid 60’s - i managed to get loads of hoses off of him and the Pye twin which he had rebuilt. It is exactly like Rolls. I will have a look for some pics. Cheers Keith
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Post# 1090021 , Reply# 302 9/20/2020 at 12:58 (918 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Post# 1090023 , Reply# 303 9/20/2020 at 13:10 (918 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K) |
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Afternoon All,
Had a play with my new Perobot Twin tub yesterday - dates from 1955 and the washer and spinner are in the same tub :) See it in action Cheers Keith UK CLICK HERE TO GO TO Keymatic's LINK | ||
| Post# 1090916 , Reply# 305 9/27/2020 at 16:29 (911 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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is the Frigidaire with the small spin motor driving the wash impellor .they would constantly burn out [fine for driving the spin drier but not up to shifting all that water and wet washing the next incarnation would have the big direct drive induction motor .In an earlier post i may have caused a bit of confusion over this machine when i said the spin motor drove the wash impellor .What i meant was the machine has the usual set up [spinner driven by a small motor with a belt driving the drum and pump ] this machine has a second motor [same as the one driving the spinner ] driving the washer and its pump via another belt and pulley .I can still remember the price of a replacement motor back in 74 a motor would have cost £19.99 .not much these days but back then a considerable amount .A new spin bearing for this machine fitted would cost £25 .Having said all that These early Frigidaire TTs were quite durable [not a lot in them to go wrong] and looked after would last a good ten years or more
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Post# 1091129 , Reply# 307 9/29/2020 at 04:27 (909 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 1091281 , Reply# 309 9/30/2020 at 03:53 (908 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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| Post# 1092178 , Reply# 312 10/6/2020 at 11:30 (902 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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