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Thread Number: 82510
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Replacement Motor for 1977 Norge Wards Burpilator |
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| Post# 1065687 , Reply# 1 4/2/2020 at 21:27 (1,484 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
Welcome! What a great vintage washer you have there. Here is a link to a motor that is listed as used but it looks like a new old stock or possibly one that was installed for a short period of time and then removed. This is an Emerson motor that is a direct replacement for the motor number you provided. First I would make sure the pump or the transmission is not causing a strain on the motor. Hope this helps.
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Post# 1065736 , Reply# 2 4/3/2020 at 10:33 (1,483 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 1065741 , Reply# 3 4/3/2020 at 11:14 (1,483 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA) |
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The buzzing and smoking and shutting off is very likely due to the motor having worn bearings. This allows the rotor to drag inside the motor causing it to do what you are experiencing. | ||
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Post# 1065762 , Reply# 5 4/3/2020 at 14:47 (1,483 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1065765 , Reply# 6 4/3/2020 at 14:53 (1,483 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Robin thank you. Did your parents have the matching dryer at one point? My parents bought a top of the line Norge washer December 1963/64 and the matching dryer February 1964/65.
If you have pages in the guides with close-ups of the control panel and the option buttons to the left & right of the timer dial and respective description information, I'd love it. Neighbor across the street had a 1971/72 Montgomery Wards washer that was probably 2-3 models below the Top of the Line like your parents bought. | ||
| Post# 1065770 , Reply# 7 4/3/2020 at 16:04 (1,483 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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I’m not sure what the difference would be but the 33-9968 motor crosses to a different one. The one in the link above directly crosses from the motor number you provided. Without seeing the other one I don’t know but in my opinion Emerson motors were better than GE in the sound and vibration department. As David (turbokinetic) mentioned above you’d better jump on this motor if you need it. The machines built like yours were discontinued in the early 80’s and parts such as the motor can be a little hard to locate these days.
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| Post# 1065787 , Reply# 8 4/3/2020 at 18:47 (1,483 days old) by Robinbird (Wisconsin) | ||
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Appnut, Is this what you were thinking of? | ||
| Post# 1065803 , Reply# 10 4/3/2020 at 20:54 (1,483 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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It’s very possible that these motors will cross reference. The one from the link I sent would have four studs unless someone cut them off for some odd reason. The 3/4 horse motors on the Norge machines were common for Norge. FYI: Montgomery Wards never made an appliance as Sears did not either. They both put their names on common branded appliances. Sears Kenmore washers and dryers were built by Whirlpool for many years. The one you have is a Norge with the Montgomery Ward badge.
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Post# 1065811 , Reply# 11 4/3/2020 at 22:31 (1,482 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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Post# 1065817 , Reply# 12 4/3/2020 at 22:44 (1,482 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1065828 , Reply# 14 4/4/2020 at 01:16 (1,482 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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I would say an actual Norge wouldn't be much different from a Ward's except maybe for minor control panel treatments, particularly toward the end of Ward's sad existence (I grew up in a staunchly loyal Ward's household and witnessed my dad's colorful language many times when various appliances and power tools purchased from Ward's failed prematurely in one way or another).
Sears, on the other hand, had Whirlpool build washers for them that offered features and upgrades that were exclusive to the Kenmore badge, and it wasn't long before Kenmore consoles, agitators, etc. looked nothing like Whirlpool's. Meanwhile, a Ward's washer and a Norge were practically identical under their respective lids.
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| Post# 1066269 , Reply# 16 4/6/2020 at 19:29 (1,480 days old) by Robinbird (Wisconsin) | ||
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Update. I don't have the new motor yet but I took the old one apart to see what went wrong. The windings are toast.
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Post# 1066273 , Reply# 17 4/6/2020 at 20:32 (1,480 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Burned Motor Windings Wow, yes the start windings are toast, most likely breakdown of the insulating coating, once it shorts in one place it keeps getting worse.
When you put the new motor in check the amp draw as the machine goes through a full cycle, it should never be drawing over around 9-12 amps while running with a load.
Norge had more than their share of problems with these 3/4 HP motors, the motors ran hot and often caused timer contacts to fail from the heavy current draw. Norge was the only company that went to these power hungry 3/4 HP motors.
The best thing to keep these machines running is to replace the 3/4 HP motor with the standard 1/2 HP motor, the machine will run just as well and have fewer electrical problems.
John L. | ||
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Post# 1066530 , Reply# 20 4/8/2020 at 18:49 (1,478 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Connecting Wiring To The New Motor It does not matter which P wire goes on each P terminal, just put one on each.
Any Bearing play or side to side looseness in a motor like this and its done, a little shaft end-play usually does not hurt but if you can feel any side to side wear you will be lucky if it works at all and it usually will not last long.
How did you take the old motor apart ? as these are welded together.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1066582 , Reply# 22 4/9/2020 at 00:32 (1,477 days old) by Robinbird (Wisconsin) | ||
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Success! A big THANK YOU to EVERYONE for the help. Special mention goes to Repairguy... not only for talking me into buying the correct motor but leading me to it in the first place. I would not have found it without your help. Like you said... it looks like the motor was never used. Robin | ||
| Post# 1066590 , Reply# 23 4/9/2020 at 04:12 (1,477 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.) | ||
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@ Robinbird: So, that means your Norge/Montgomery Wards Signature washer is back up and is working again? If so, congratulations. —Charles— | ||
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Post# 1066593 , Reply# 24 4/9/2020 at 05:48 (1,477 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan) |
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Pix please! | ||
| Post# 1066602 , Reply# 25 4/9/2020 at 07:59 (1,477 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1066650 , Reply# 26 4/9/2020 at 14:40 (1,477 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA) |
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Glad you got it going! | ||
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Post# 1066651 , Reply# 27 4/9/2020 at 14:58 (1,477 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Congratulations! | ||
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Post# 1066680 , Reply# 29 4/9/2020 at 18:35 (1,477 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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1/2 HP vs 3/4 HP? | ||
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Post# 1066732 , Reply# 30 4/10/2020 at 07:26 (1,476 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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1/2 Vs 3/4 HP Motors Norge only used 1/2 HP motors on their large washers from about 1964 till sometime in the 70s when they started calling the same size washer 20 pound capacity.
When Norge came out with their big washer they called it a 15# machine, then soon the called it a 16# capacity, then it jumped to 18#s.
Several washer makers in the US were in a capacity race and I guess that NORGE was going to win when they again relabeled their washer again this time jumping from 18 to 20 pounds. The washer was so over stuffed with 20 pounds of clothing that motor would overheat and trip the overload with that much in it. So they they actually had to put a 3/4 HP motor in the machine to get a UL approval.
Hi Todd, but in answer to your question some 1/2 HP motors are interchangeable with the 3/4 HP motors, it depends on the age of the washer and motor as they changed their wiring a little over the span of these washers. And the 1/2 HP motor will work just fine and draw less power and you will have less likelihood of burned up timer and pressure switch contacts [ unless you want to try stuffing 20 pounds of clothing in your washer ] LOL
John L. | ||
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Post# 1066774 , Reply# 31 4/10/2020 at 14:16 (1,476 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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| Post# 1066779 , Reply# 32 4/10/2020 at 14:47 (1,476 days old) by Robinbird (Wisconsin) | ||
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It's not in that bad of condition considering it's been used for 43 years. Some of the woodgrain finish is flaking off and there's a little chip in the porcelain enamel top but other than that not too bad. | ||
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Post# 1066783 , Reply# 33 4/10/2020 at 15:04 (1,476 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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