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Post# 1079216   6/29/2020 at 21:37 (1,001 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        

Hey guys I’ll be getting a naco washing machine, it’s $100 for what I could consider reasonable looking machine I’ve only got one picture but it looks much better than the other naco I tried to get (2nd picture)

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Post# 1079222 , Reply# 1   6/29/2020 at 22:25 (1,001 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

oooh that looks like fun...

Post# 1079266 , Reply# 2   6/30/2020 at 05:07 (1,001 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Do you know if there’s anything

 That I should be worried about? It’s a hard mount machine (Bolted to a concrete pad) This machine is probably more simple than a twin tub, you’ve only got one lever for changing the belt position in between wash and spin, And a knob for the drain valve, it’s more akin to today’s laundromat machines than it is to a modern household washing machine I’m planning To have it mounted on a 6 inch thick concrete pad as that what it says in the operations card, I got the picture of the card from another thread here although I can’t remember which one it was

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Post# 1079275 , Reply# 3   6/30/2020 at 07:05 (1,001 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Adam

Is it going to sit on a concrete floor?

The instructions you posted say to remove about 1 in of the concrete floor, so that sounds like the concrete pad is expected to be mounted on a CONCRETE floor, the pad is just to reinforce an existing concrete floor. I would be concerned about mounting it on a wooden floor.

In the early 70s approx. my family had a Frigidaire automatic that always had balancing problems and used to jump around the laundry. It was not a bolt down machine, it had suspension but it was forever going badly off balance and would take many, many tries to get it balanced and spinning. Dad, who was a carpenter, made a 4 inch concrete slab and sat it on the wooden floor, and put the Frigidaire washer on top. Sitting on top, not bolted. The machine still jumped around, the concrete slab moved on the floor, and the washing machine would sometimes jump off the slab and it was a mongrel job to get it back up again. The machine was taken away and fully reconditioned at one stage, but the balancing problem continued after it returned. It was never any better and was eventually replaced by a GE. Point is, a concrete slab is no panacaea. The upward forces generated on spin in a front loader are HUGE and if it has no suspension, it will have to be VERY securely mounted. Either mount direct to a concrete floor, or mount on a heavy slab that is BOLTED directly to heavy floor joists. And keep alert for damage to the building from vibration.

I have a Turner Sapphire bolt down washing machine, a top loader so it doesn't generate the uplift that a front loader does, and I have never bolted it down. I have only tried using it a couple of times and if it is even a little out of balance, I can't hold it down, it jumps despite me trying to hold it in place.

Post# 1079298 , Reply# 4   6/30/2020 at 08:39 (1,001 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
So it’s going to be mounted on a

 6+ inch thick preferably 8+ inch thick concrete pad, unfortunately there isn’t really anywhere Where it can be directly bolted to a concrete floor as my mother doesn’t want me damaging her tile in the sunroom, So it would have to sit undercover with an 8 inch thick concrete pad (2 inches of the 8 inch pad would be underneath the level of pavers So the concrete pad would be sitting directly on the compacted earth That is supporting the pavers

Post# 1079327 , Reply# 5   6/30/2020 at 13:13 (1,001 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
Great find.

 Growing up we used to go camping at Queenscliff and the campground laundry room had two of these machines. The machines were used almost 24 hours a day. I used to be fascinated by the machines and would watch the women doing their laundry. When the laundry room was empty I would go play doing pretend laundry. Unfortunately the women became a little wary of my continued appearance and assumed I was watching them for all the wrong reasons. Oh if they only knew. Can't wait to see this machine up and running. If you google (Australia) NACO you can find some advertisements for the machine, Naco also made one other model, a top loader with a spinner. I believe there is a publicity brochure housed at Museums Victoria Collection. Take a look, quite an impressive machine for it's time.

Post# 1079349 , Reply# 6   6/30/2020 at 16:21 (1,001 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Thank you,

 I’ve seen the publicity brochure, but I haven’t seen any other things as it always come back with the “ National Association of cinema operators“ , do you know anybody who would have a photo of some advertisements for it?

Post# 1079379 , Reply# 7   6/30/2020 at 19:50 (1,000 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
Google search

 Hi Adam
1. Make sure you are on Google Australia. (google.com.au.)
2. search for NACO washing machine. Use all capitals for NACO.
3. When you get your search results, select "tools" then "any country" and change "any country" to "Australia."
that should help sift out irrelevant stuff.
Many of the matches are back here to AW.org...

Post# 1079381 , Reply# 8   6/30/2020 at 19:54 (1,000 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Adam,

Not to burst your bubble, because these are gorgeous machines, but dont get too far ahead of yourself.

The outer Tub, Inner Tub, Tub Back (Interior) are all made of Aluminium and out of the 5 I've found, they've all either been corroded to the point that they are broken, or are full of pinhole leaks.

The mechanism is simple. There are three belts and by moving the motor carriage up or down, you engage the wash or the spin belt and leave the other belt loose enough not to interfer. There is no pump, so to drain the tap control just unclamps the hose and the water runs out. No power switch, you just turn it on and off at the wall.

Hopefully yours arrives in good condition.

All the Best

Nathan

Post# 1079383 , Reply# 9   6/30/2020 at 20:00 (1,000 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Thank you Nathan

 I’ll ask the seller if he can put 20 L of water in it and I don’t think it would be all that hard to re-weld any holes or anything like that, If it does have holes, what’s the probably the best thing I can use to fix them so I can turn it from a sieve into a wok?

Post# 1079386 , Reply# 10   6/30/2020 at 20:18 (1,000 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Hey gizmo

You mean this?

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Post# 1079409 , Reply# 11   7/1/2020 at 02:37 (1,000 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Congratulations Adam on obtaining the rare Naco washing machine look forward to seeing it fitted in and working. It looks a simple washer compared to say a Hoover Keymatic but sounds like the weak link is the aluminium components.

Love the adverts for the toploader Naco and wonder just what type of wash action it uses do you put a seperate spin drum into it after washing to spin dry ?

And the leaflet says it uses "Roller-Spin" washing just what is that do we think lol...

All The Best with your new project .

Post# 1079412 , Reply# 12   7/1/2020 at 06:18 (1,000 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Thanks Chester,

I’ll have it mounted to a concrete pad Using smaller versions of what laundromat machines use when they are bolted to the floor, what do you guys suggest?

Post# 1079501 , Reply# 13   7/1/2020 at 17:54 (999 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Mike, I have a roller wash model. Its unbelievably simple in design.

The Motor has a rubber wheel that runs against the wash tub, the tub spins at the same speed, regardless of whether there is water in there or not.

The roller wash, is a 6 sided metal rollerthat clamps onto the tubring and disturbs the water flow within the tub and creates turbulence. To spin, you remove the roller.

To drain the machine, the bottom of the tub is two layers, the inner layer has slots cut in it like a fan, to force water into the gap between the two layers. Inside there, there is an angled metal tube that passes through the centre of the bearing and has a drain hose connected. The Hose is just clamped shut to stop it draining.

I've never had mine running, but I think I have photos somewhere, I'll see what I can find.

Post# 1079549 , Reply# 14   7/2/2020 at 04:22 (999 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Adam I would certainly take the good advice of Chris & Nathan who having had experience of machines needing bolting down proves for it to spin and not wreck the house then a good base is essential.

So are you casting a slab over concrete paving slabs already outside then ?

Post# 1079550 , Reply# 15   7/2/2020 at 04:25 (999 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Nathan , this sounds an excellent washing machine to explore, am fascinated to see / hear about how it washes, cant quite imagine it so dig those pics out ha ha...

Its fab to see / hear / talk about all these different types and styles of washers, and it looks like its up to us to preserve the history before its all forgotten !!

Post# 1079565 , Reply# 16   7/2/2020 at 09:26 (999 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Will do Mike but

 I won’t be casting it on top of the pavers, I’m planning to remove the pavers and possibly dig down about 4 inches or so, Either that or sitting the possibly 10 inch thick concrete foundation directly on top of the dirt and it would be immediately surrounded by pavers, as I’ll try to leave as a little gap as possible in between the concrete foundation and the outdoor pavers, It will be located undercover and not exposed to the elements, i’m wanting to give it the most solid foundation I possibly can, if I was able to I would’ve loved to install it into the sunroom but mum doesn’t want me damaging her tile, There is unfortunately no room in the garage for the machine or the other place Which I think possibly might have a solid foundation for it, I’ll have to see what I can do

Post# 1079614 , Reply# 17   7/2/2020 at 20:23 (998 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
Roller wash model

 Brisnat,

Wow, how come you have not shared such a unique aussie machine with AW.Org from the early days of the countries industrial developments without the technologies of today. Cannot wait to see the photos you have of the machine, perhaps you could demonstrate washing action with or without power.

Post# 1079623 , Reply# 18   7/2/2020 at 22:43 (998 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

I know, what was I thinking :)

I thought I had years ago, but I cant find any photo's, so maybe I've had it longer than I thought.

I've never had it hooked up to power, but I'll see what I can do, even if its just to run it dry.

Next time we're up the coast, I'll dig it out and have a look

Post# 1079641 , Reply# 19   7/3/2020 at 04:14 (998 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
I can’t wait to see photos of the roller wash

 Keep us posted nat

Post# 1079735 , Reply# 20   7/4/2020 at 04:04 (997 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
By the way

 Since this machine is pre-metric Australia, would that mean I would have to use NPT thread Fittings for the water inlet connections?

Post# 1079878 , Reply# 21   7/5/2020 at 08:25 (996 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Current model washing machines aren't metric pipe thread - they use (I think...) 3/4 inch BSP don't they?

The only oddball water connection have seen is my Hoover Keymatic has 1/2 inch BSP connections. And American machines use some weird finer thread that almost fits but doesn't.

Post# 1079882 , Reply# 22   7/5/2020 at 08:46 (996 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
I’ll have to see of what would fit

When it arrives, My bank account is prepared both for the shipping and the machine, if 800+ isn’t enough, I don’t know what would then

Post# 1079888 , Reply# 23   7/5/2020 at 09:21 (996 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Never mind, I found something

 It says “To 1/2 inch Tubes are provided for push on connection to hoses fitted with clips

The taps can be fitted on the wall or any convenient Position

DO NOT USE METAL PIPE OR TUBE OR MAKE CONNECTIONS WITH COMPRESSION FITTINGS”
(Second image shows what not to do)

By the way, has anybody seen a NACO spin dryer?
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Post# 1079914 , Reply# 24   7/5/2020 at 15:12 (996 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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That Naco Badge looks to me so similar to Hoover at a Glance. The Font looks almost the same.

Post# 1079934 , Reply# 25   7/5/2020 at 16:37 (996 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hey Adam,

Thats right, there are two pieces of aluminium pipe that come out of the back plate at the top. Washingmachine hose or garden hose just clamps on and you control the water from the taps.

Cheers

Nathan

Post# 1079947 , Reply# 26   7/5/2020 at 17:48 (995 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Thanks Nat

I’ll have to try and find some vintage style taps to match the machine because why not, I’ll have a look at my local building trading postli’ll have a look at The handyman’s trading post and see what they have

Post# 1080457 , Reply# 27   7/9/2020 at 20:33 (991 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Hey guys I have news

 It’s on it’s way to me but there’s a small issue, it’s missing the motor and pulley and the overload, Does anybody have one spare?

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Post# 1080503 , Reply# 28   7/10/2020 at 13:04 (991 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
HUH.....

 What a RIPOFF, perhaps what you need is in the other dilapidated machine

Post# 1080506 , Reply# 29   7/10/2020 at 13:17 (991 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
HUH.....

 What a RIPOFF, perhaps what you need is in the other dilapidated machine or even better sue the S..T out of the creep that sold you this POS

Post# 1080518 , Reply# 30   7/10/2020 at 16:24 (991 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
The dilapidated machine is long gone

 I know it doesn’t look that hard to find a motor as it has standard mounting bolts for a normal motor, compare to today’s modern washing machines as they have custom mounting for their motors, the only thing I’ll probably have trouble getting is the pulley for it as the pulley needs to accept BOTH a flat belt and a V belt, i’ll probably ask for some help in here and if worse comes to worse I could probably have someone turn a pulley in metal or wood So this is much less of a loss than it actually seems Compare to a vehicle with no engine, thank you for standard motor fittings, I might already even have a motor for it Roca to a motor shop And ask if they have any 1/4 hp motors as that’s what the machine uses

Post# 1080520 , Reply# 31   7/10/2020 at 16:42 (991 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Adam

The next time at mums, I’ll have a poke around and see what’s under the house. I can’t remember whether I’ve kept or scrapped the motors from these. I do have one motor that I restored. Worst case if you get a motor that fits so we know the shaft size, I can take the pulley and see what I can buy that matches.

Cheers

Nathan

Post# 1080557 , Reply# 32   7/10/2020 at 23:56 (990 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Oh my Nat,

Thank you so much, you’re an absolute lifesaver,Although, I think you may have a very hard time finding a pulley as I’ve searched on google but the closest thing I found was a car part for a Holden Commodore, Again, thank you so much let me know what you find, Even if you find the motor that isn’t working I’ll be happy to take it off your hands, I know there’s a local motor repair shop around here and they do really really good work as they fix the motor on my Wilkins Servis MK2

Post# 1080587 , Reply# 33   7/11/2020 at 07:12 (990 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Good luck with the search for parts and help Adam, cant help thinking like Simpsomatic that if that was advertised and the motor missing not stated then clearly there is comeback on the seller,

Can only imagine how disappointing it is to have found no motor and pulley in it but admire your enthusiasm to move your restoration project on, and hopefully with the help of fellow members !!

Good luck , Mike

Post# 1080594 , Reply# 34   7/11/2020 at 07:47 (990 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Thank you Mike,

I tried getting one of these machines previously but at the last moment I decided against it, so at least I’ve got a second chance of getting a machine like this, I guess the pulley would be the main problem as it would have both a flat belt and a V belt, if I can’t find an original Flat leather belt, I could possibly use an engine timing belt or even a washing machine or dryer belt

Post# 1080950 , Reply# 35   7/14/2020 at 02:59 (987 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Great news

 It’s on it’s way, Still has the original leather and rubber belts as well, It’s on it’s way now, They said it should be here on Friday if not it should be there on Monday

Post# 1081332 , Reply# 36   7/17/2020 at 04:32 (984 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
ITS HERE

 It arrived earlier today just before 1230Pm, It looks great, The drum turns, the drain cock opens and closes and the wash and spin lever easily turns All it needs is the motor and 3 belts

Post# 1084283 , Reply# 37   8/7/2020 at 20:04 (962 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Well, if finally taken some photos of the Naco Low Priced Laundry machine.

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Post# 1084285 , Reply# 38   8/7/2020 at 20:37 (962 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
Fascinating

 Thanks for sharing with us. OMG...how does it work, what are the spin RPM's, it looks like some type of vegetable peeling machine. Antique Australian technology. On/off at power point no doubt, pump? Knob at top back has a function? Interesting motor...HOOVER? Congratulations to you and Adam-Aussie-Vac for preserving the heritage of our developing country from an era most Australians of today have no comprehension. Another of NACO's product line were the louver windows (called jealousy windows here in the USA) that most every home built in the late 40's early 50's were installed, always in the indoor toilet if you were fortunate to have one. As a developing country in those times most communities had an outhouse that was generally attached to the wash house.

Post# 1084286 , Reply# 39   8/7/2020 at 20:43 (962 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Thankyou. The fan shaped slots in the bottom of the tub force water into a false bottom of sorts, creating pressure that forces water out of the central drain pipe that runs through the centre bearing. The lever on the back is to pinch the drain hose closed.

I’ve never had it running as the motor is seized, but that rubber wheel rubs on the inside of the washtub.

I have no idea how fast it spins, but with no suspension and that pole in the way, I can’t imagine it’s fast.

It shows up from time to time in the Patent of the day.

Post# 1084323 , Reply# 40   8/8/2020 at 06:26 (962 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Thanks Simpsomatic

 I’m gonna be getting my third machine which Brisnat81 Has seen the inside of

Post# 1154598 , Reply# 41   7/18/2022 at 08:43 (253 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
GREAT NEWS EVERYONE

 my Naco is fully working, motor rewound, bearings replaced, and all seals when possible have been replaced, I'm gonna water test it tomorrow and i finally got the spin belt replaced so it spins as well as the belt tension is adjusted properly


Post# 1154641 , Reply# 42   7/18/2022 at 22:02 (252 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
Exciting times!

 Great to hear things have progressed so well. We're all looking forward to pictures and videos ...

Post# 1154652 , Reply# 43   7/18/2022 at 23:47 (252 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
thank you

 it isnt entirely sealed as water leaks out of the weep hole but it looks really good
ill have to grab some photos later as the machine is having a live casing issue


Post# 1154765 , Reply# 44   7/19/2022 at 22:35 (251 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
so

its not a live casing issue but the bearing seal isnt sealing so water and foam spill out the weep hole i hope it should be ok like that

Post# 1155164 , Reply# 45   7/25/2022 at 01:45 (246 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
ITS FINALLY BACK TOGETHER

 i had to use a second Naco as the paintwork was much better on that one and it had a motor as well but its finally complete, ill grab photos in a minute


Post# 1156664 , Reply# 46   8/11/2022 at 19:16 (228 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
Waiting with baited breath

 Adam,

Your restoration sounds incredible, any chance of a video or at least some photos of your handywork?

Post# 1156677 , Reply# 47   8/11/2022 at 21:40 (228 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Photos coming today

 I had to make space on my phone to be able to have the chance of taking photos

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Post# 1156691 , Reply# 48   8/12/2022 at 01:49 (228 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        

Here’s the video

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Post# 1156732 , Reply# 49   8/12/2022 at 13:49 (228 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)        
Incredible

 Let me be the first to congratulate you. Absolute smashing re-work of mechanical genius of Australia past.

Post# 1156750 , Reply# 50   8/12/2022 at 17:18 (227 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
I know this machine ...

 My aunt had one of these in the fifties. It definitely had a red hopper lid/cover. I think the cabinet was white. It was replaced by a Bendix Gyromatic in about 1962

Congratulations on a fantastic restoration!

Post# 1156764 , Reply# 51   8/12/2022 at 18:40 (227 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

That is great, Adam.

 

The spin belt - look at Poly-V belts. (link below) The original was possibly a leather belt?? These clutch nicely, better than modern poly-V belts. I think your current serpentine belt (which is a type of poly-V) is too large diameter? I have just done a quick search, it appears true flat belts are still available, I have linked one below.

 

The video doesn't really show what happens to change to spin, does it work by lowering the motor to tension the spin belt?

 

Poly-V: www.naismith.com.au/uploa...

Flat belts for vintage cars: www.gates.com/us/en/power...
Post# 1156786 , Reply# 52   8/12/2022 at 23:23 (227 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
reply 51

 yes it lowers the motor to engauge the flatbelt on the pulley, and it is about the same dimentions as the old leather belt, ill chet out that link, thanks

Post# 1156787 , Reply# 53   8/12/2022 at 23:25 (227 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        

check*


and thanks for the congratulations guys, i appreciate it

reply 50: do you know why it got replaced? it didnt seem that old

Post# 1156845 , Reply# 54   8/13/2022 at 18:33 (226 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        

#53 I have no idea why it got replaced. I would have been six at the time. It's possible it came with the house my aunt and uncle purchased, so had perhaps seen a good life before they came along. They were a family of three kids under eight too, so lots of washing. I guess the idea of a Bensix Automatic was just too enticing!

Post# 1156864 , Reply# 55   8/13/2022 at 20:21 (226 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        

Oh yeah, that’s cool, by the way do you remember what capacity that Bendix machine was? As the Neko can hold up to 10lbs/4.5 kg

Post# 1156892 , Reply# 56   8/14/2022 at 03:15 (226 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
9 pounds/4 kilograms

 That's according to the brochure I've attached (I think I downloaded this brochure form the archives here on automaticwasher.org. I hope it's not a problem to re-post it here)

The Australian version that my aunt (and later ourselves) had was cosmetically a little bit different from this, however the engineering/mechanical side of things was identical

Wonderful machine

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