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Post# 158997   10/5/2006 at 21:27 (6,412 days old) by dual-action ()        

I went looking at new washers today and saw ge`s redesigned washers and dyers they have a new look and noticed that it also said new 360 arc agitation called hydro-wave , I looked at there web site but they dont even have there new models updated on there web site yet does anyone have any info on these I kind of liked the way they looked they now also have a time remaining indicator . Thanks david




Post# 159017 , Reply# 1   10/6/2006 at 04:49 (6,412 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Interesting! I hadn't heard about the redesign for GE. Don't you hate it when manufacturers' websites are slow in getting out info on new products? They should be hyping the product before, not after, it reaches the stores.

Post# 159028 , Reply# 2   10/6/2006 at 06:41 (6,412 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Home Depot has two of the new Profile models on their website. The wash action sounds interesting, would be nice to watch. The website won't let me link it, but here's a picture. At the website you can find them under Profile, not under GE.

Post# 159047 , Reply# 3   10/6/2006 at 08:28 (6,412 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Here's the link. I must say it does seem like an interesting design, though it could be just a pulgitator on steroids (sort of like what they're doing with impellers now).

A while back, when Rodrigo in Brazil posted his collection, he mentioned something about a 360 degree agitator stroke for his GE. So I wonder if they're already doing this over there?


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Post# 159065 , Reply# 4   10/6/2006 at 09:54 (6,412 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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To go from proabably a less than a 90 degree *speedy Gonzales* arc to 360 degrees seems a bit severe.

I was happy with 210 degrees on the Amanas.......

Still, this I'd like to see. Did mannies finally realize that shredders are availabe from office-supply type stores and are not necessary in the laundry room?


Post# 159077 , Reply# 5   10/6/2006 at 10:39 (6,412 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Something sounds a little F&P

Since Fisher Pakel is showing up in Whirlpool and Kenmore and the agitator does the amazing fly and stop action, wouldn't it be possible the GE is a rebranded F&P?
Kelly


Post# 159092 , Reply# 6   10/6/2006 at 11:28 (6,412 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Perhaps this is a function of the elimination of a traditional transmission, and the introduction of a DC motor, where the agitation sweeps are achieved by reversing the polarity and good timing. All this possible thanks to inexpensive rectifiers and "computer chips" /electronics.

My Kenmore branded WP portable (about 10 years ago) had such a system. It allowed the tub to become larger by going MUCH further down, (approaching the floor) and elimated the need for a tranny.

The washer in the link is the general idea, but seems to be the "next generation" Mine had a porcelain tub at the time.


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Post# 159096 , Reply# 7   10/6/2006 at 11:40 (6,412 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

This is the link to the machine on the Home Depot website. If you look at the page, down towards the center right, are links for the Use and Care Manual. It shows a big old agitator sitting right there in the middle of the basket in one of the illustrations about how to load the fabric softner dispenser. So, what's old is new again???

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Post# 159126 , Reply# 8   10/6/2006 at 16:01 (6,411 days old) by washerman8 ()        
I Called GE.......

I called GE and asked for some information on the new washers. The rep. could not provide me with much information but did tell me these new washers had a spinning rpm of "around 800rpms".

If this is so, I might get a pair to go along with my new SpeedQueens. I like having the option of the Extended Spin on these new washers.


Post# 159163 , Reply# 9   10/6/2006 at 21:05 (6,411 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

OK, I stopped by the local Homo Depot tonite and looked at this washer. There is nothing to indicate that it is any different from any other GE top load washer. It's a nice looking machine. However, the machine is a direct drive design, no transmission (according to saleswoman). It has the standard GE dual action agitator that makes a complete 360 degree stroke. It has an excellent warranty - 5 years on the suspension and electronics, and 10 years on the direct drive motor and outer tub, lifetime on the stainless inner tub. But you have to read the literature to realize that this machine is different from the standard GE top load fare. Also supposedly almost completely silent when running. Seemed like a very solidly built machine. Controls have a nice, weighted, quality feel to them....doesn't seem cheap and flimsy. I think it's an 800 RPM spin speed, too. The matching dryer has a stainless drum, and seems similarly well constructed, though it's the standard CAMCO design dryer like the rest of the GEs. Nice looking set.

Post# 159184 , Reply# 10   10/7/2006 at 01:27 (6,411 days old) by agiflow ()        

Good for GE, i hope they do well with this new version.

Post# 159606 , Reply# 11   10/10/2006 at 08:26 (6,408 days old) by washerman8 ()        
Found Some More Information.....

I just left Home Depot and a knowledgeable sales rep. showed me the information on these new GE washers. The maximum spinning rpms is 630. Also, the washer has the PerfecTemp which means water temperatures are, probably, dumbdowned.

I do not understand why manufacturers choose to keep these low spinning rpms for topload washers. I believe 850rpms and up would be sufficient. Any thoughts?


Post# 159626 , Reply# 12   10/10/2006 at 10:07 (6,408 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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First off, I fully agree with you. Spin speeds of TL'ers should be increased. It would help them keep up with energy usage requirements. However, that must be a difficult or expensive proposition, because no one seems to be drastically increasing their spin speeds.

I've read that plastic tubs will deform once they cross a certain rpm. I think its in the low 600's, if I recall correctly.

My brand new Frigidiare TL'er uses a Franklin transmission design which is at least 50 years old and I'm guessing it spins no faster than it did 50 years ago.
I'd be surprised if it spins over 525 rpms. The 'power spin' in the heavy duty (Whites) cycle increases the spin time to 12 minutes, but I doubt it removes much more water than the 3-minute final spin on the Colors and Delicates cycles.

If I wash bath towels in the TL'er, I use my FL'er as an extractor. I'm amazed at how much more water is extracted in the FL'er.

A few brands that have abandoned transmissions have increased spin speeds---Cabrio/Oasis from Whirlpool/Kenmore and Fisher & Paykel come to mind. They have stainless steel tubs and machines that spin at about 1000.


Post# 159685 , Reply# 13   10/10/2006 at 16:37 (6,407 days old) by brettsomers ()        

i wonder if this machine is at all like the portable ge spacemaker i saw a few days ago at the scratch and dent store?

Post# 159699 , Reply# 14   10/10/2006 at 18:19 (6,407 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Unlike say when Frigidaire had final high spin speed washers, the legal climate is very differnt. My guess is appliance makers don't want to go through all the costs to bring such a product to market, only to have someone harmed and sue for millions. Yes, it possible to design an "idiot proof" system to prevent the washer from being opened while spinning, but then the world would only produce a "smarter" idiot who would some how, some way get into trouble.

High spin speeds also involve a whole new set of design problems. Tubs must be SS, and the unit will need to be stable at all speeds, with some sort of unbalance detection system to prevent a 18 or so pounds of laundry from banging the washer to death, possibly moving about the room and causing harm as well.

You would never get the high spin Hoover or Maytag TT's over in today's market without a way that stopped the spinner before the lid could be opened. My Hoover spinner simply cuts the motor and allows the drum to coast to a stop when the lid is opened. Have always wondered if a person or child was harmed and Hoover sued.

L.


Post# 159759 , Reply# 15   10/11/2006 at 00:26 (6,407 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Something new is always exciting.

Its about time GE did something about their range of washing machines.

I remember the Brazilian model from a little while ago posted here was sexy baby!

The 360 degree stroke works well I find, much better than the trashing given by Whirlpool type machines. If its direct drive, try grabbing the tub and see if it spins freeley, it may spin freeley but have a bit of click click click. If it does either its direct drive. If the tub is stationary then its probably a reversing type motor that is common on asian and australian style machine.


Post# 159899 , Reply# 16   10/11/2006 at 21:22 (6,406 days old) by dual-action ()        

Ge s top of the line (not the harmony)has a 800 rpm spin its been in there line up for a couple of years now , It has a lid lock on it that pops out like the frigidaires when in spin cycle ,you can see the lid lock in the photo gallery of that model its right above the magnetic safety switch.

Post# 161610 , Reply# 17   10/20/2006 at 22:13 (6,397 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        
definatly not F&P

I looked up the parts break-down on this new model. GE calls it the Genesis series. The inside design is VERY similar to the previous models. In fact many parts are the same. The transmission is replaced by a long shaft with a much larger pulley on the bottom than the transmission models have. The V-belt is replaced by a flat polly-V. Basically looks like a front loader turned vertical. With only one motor and one shaft and no transmission I'm not sure how it controls the difference between turning the agitator or the basket.

Ed


Post# 161612 , Reply# 18   10/20/2006 at 22:16 (6,397 days old) by jonv112 ()        

Maybe it has the floating basket type like on the Oasis/Cabrio/F&P?

Post# 161705 , Reply# 19   10/21/2006 at 09:37 (6,397 days old) by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio)        
Do you suppose....

that the spin function could result from a wind-up torque spring arrangement on the shaft? If so, this could be engineered to allow the long agitation stroke coupled with today's motors and controls to make one of the simplest designs for a "traditional" TL machine. Similar in function to the F&P direct drive but not copying their design.
Just a guess on my part, but very interesting.

Bill


Post# 161938 , Reply# 20   10/22/2006 at 19:30 (6,395 days old) by nasadowsk ()        

Man, GE's getting cheap these days, huh?

I guess the rumors of them getting out of appliances really are true?

(Oh no!!! Washers don't make enough money for us!!! Wall street will hate us!!)

Frankly, with GE being nothing more than a whore to Wall Street thesedays, I give 'em maybe 15 years before they pull a Westinghouse...


Post# 162144 , Reply# 21   10/23/2006 at 21:50 (6,394 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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i don't think they'll be leaving appliances. their ovens, dishwashers and refrigerators are excellent sellers.

though...it does seem that they're brain-dead when it comes to washers...


Post# 162180 , Reply# 22   10/24/2006 at 02:15 (6,394 days old) by agiflow ()        

Didn't they just invest multi-millions in their appliance division a couple of years back? Hopefully they can make a good washer again as their other appliances seem pretty nice.

Post# 162499 , Reply# 23   10/25/2006 at 00:06 (6,393 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

I'm with toggle, I think the new GE designs are transmission-less DC or stepper-motor washers. That would be the only way I imagine a complete circle could be achieved in the agitation stroke. We had one of these new transmissionless ones at the vacation home I rented this past summer. It was a VERY quiet machine! It also has all sorts of interesting cycles. All electronic control, although the knobs and stuff sort of resembled an older mechanical-timer washer

Post# 162719 , Reply# 24   10/25/2006 at 19:05 (6,392 days old) by bobbyd32l ()        

So, we got these machines in at Sears. So I proceeded to plug it in and see how fast it spins.... Definately not 800 rpms. I want to say that this machine spins around 600 rpms. It is direct drive. Direct drive or not, the suspension still makes that terrible sound, and its not very quiet. I will keep everyone posted on how it fares.

Post# 163057 , Reply# 25   10/26/2006 at 22:13 (6,391 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

It's a 640 RPM spin speed.

Post# 163639 , Reply# 26   10/29/2006 at 10:35 (6,389 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
New GE washer in Brazil too.

10.2 kg and 12 kg.

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Post# 163643 , Reply# 27   10/29/2006 at 10:37 (6,389 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
Some information about GE washer.

Tub moves every 30 seconds during fill.
Wash 28 at 45 vigorous SPM with 270 degrees of oscillation. GE has the best rollover.
6 spray rinses before spin.
670 rpm spin speed
Suds lock sensor: stop spin for 2 minutes and re-start 6 spray rinse / spin


Post# 163644 , Reply# 28   10/29/2006 at 10:43 (6,389 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

1 Solenoid
2 Gear box (inside)
3 Pump
4 Motor
5 Fan
6 Speed sensor at the back of the pulley


Post# 163739 , Reply# 29   10/29/2006 at 19:45 (6,388 days old) by bobbyd32l ()        

So the GE's down in SA, are in belt drive. I tried to look under the new GE's and they are sealed. Interesting...

Post# 163773 , Reply# 30   10/29/2006 at 21:07 (6,388 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Neat thanks for showing us the Brazilian version/model/engineering.

~Man, GE's getting cheap these days, huh? I guess the rumors of them getting out of appliances really are true?

~My brother-in-law worked for GE. He said.....and I can only repeat what I heard...GE won't stay in something unless they are #1 or #2.
.......and I guess a lot of people think their products ARE #2.

(Ducks and runs)


Post# 164433 , Reply# 31   11/1/2006 at 14:15 (6,385 days old) by rolltideroll ()        

GE should have never ventured away from thier classic model that they sold for so many years. I almost have enough concrete couterweight blocks collected up to complete my patio from those old stanbys.

Post# 164469 , Reply# 32   11/1/2006 at 17:26 (6,385 days old) by nasadowsk ()        

The old Filter Flos sucked water, though. They had a few less than great design features, but they sure didn't die easy...


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