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UK market front & top loaders 195? to 1990 - theories, queries & rarities
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Post# 1089863   9/19/2020 at 03:22 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi all.

I have created this thread to act as a bit of a running mate for ChesterMike's excellent twin tub thread.

Obviously this thread will be catering for the world of front and top loading laundry (non Twin-tub!), including vintage tumble dryers as well.

Please endeavour to keep all twin tub, single tub and spin dryer information on Mike's excellent thread, so as to avoid the jumbling up of information.

I have expanded this thread from the off though to include machines 'sold' in the UK market place, as opposed to being centred around machines 'built' in the UK, so feel free to post images of and discuss rarities from the likes of AEG, Indesit, Fagor, Hirundo etc (I will be!).

See what nuggets of new information can be discovered.
Regards
Paul





Post# 1089866 , Reply# 1   9/19/2020 at 03:31 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Attached a link to Mike's twin tub thread below ....

.... noting that there is some information, provided by 'anthony' concerning the Frigidaire Jetamatic starting at reply #228 onwards

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Post# 1089867 , Reply# 2   9/19/2020 at 03:47 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
HOOVER SELECTAMATIC 1100

I recently joined an archive newspaper website, in order to hunt around for some adverts for machines over the decades - my recent postings on the twin tub thread are courtesy of the website.

Hundreds and hundreds of adverts later, I found some new information regarding some of the rarer and more obscure front loaders.


I have never really understood the Hoover Selectamatic!
I don't remember ever seeing one as a youngster in the 1980s.
I don't remember ever reading about them.
I don't remember ever seeing them advertised.

In fact the first time I saw one, was when I first met Mathew (keymatic3203), who had managed to save an A3114 'Smoother' version.

The weird thing is that, after years of accumulating brochures and also looking through other peoples brochure collections, neither the A3064 'New Magic' or A3114 'Smoother' ever seem to have appeared in Hoover's full range brochures.
If anyone does have official brochures for these models, then please pipe up!

This situation has always struck me as weird - why manufacture what amounts to a top of the range model and then not include it in your brochures?
It even tended to be ignored in the official Hoover servicing information, with the A3064 being given an addendum page only.

First image is of the A3064.
Second image is of Mathew's A3114.



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Post# 1089868 , Reply# 3   9/19/2020 at 04:14 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
HOOVER SELECTAMATIC 1100 ... continued

Looking through the newspaper archive and searching for both versions of Selectamatic threw up only a handful of instances of it being mentioned and all those times were via adverts for Debenhams.

A statement on the Debenhams advert for the A3064 contained a statement that might answer the reason for the Selectamatic's general obscurity:

'Debenhams are only one of the few stores to have this machine'.

Just a theory, but I wonder if the Selectamatic was essentially a department store exclusive, sold through only a handful of stores, but never described as an exclusive (maybe because they were both styled to look like part of the main ranges)?

A strange situation for a top of the range model (the Selectamatic was above the Keymatic, with more programmes and no keyplates to lose) to be produced as an exclusive, but it would explain why it was rare (only sold through a handful of stores) and why it never appeared in official Hoover brochures (it wasn't part of the official Hoover range).

All just a theory.

Paul
p.s machine pictured in photos 3, 4, 5 and 6 below is Mathew's A3114.


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Post# 1089869 , Reply# 4   9/19/2020 at 04:30 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
ACME Automatic

Sold door to door and for years a mystery as to what it looked like or was, the ACME automatic surfaced in the pages of a magazine I bought a few years ago.

Since then I found a couple of adverts for it too - appears to have been peddled door to door 1966 into 1967, then sold off (as bankrupt stock probably) during 1967.

A recent discussion elsewhere has us thinking that this machine was built by Zoppas, with a number of styling cues leading to this conclusion.



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Post# 1089870 , Reply# 5   9/19/2020 at 04:35 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
ACME Automatic ... continued

recently another collector got in touch with me to say that he was watching some old episodes of Crossroads on YouTube and a machine he had never see before had appeared.

He popped me the link and low and behold - the machine appears at 16m 20s in!

Paul


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Post# 1089881 , Reply# 6   9/19/2020 at 09:18 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
CREDA 10300 debonair electronic

In the history of the Creda square door, there was one model that always evaded the searches for information - the 10300 debonair electronic.

This model was only sold through independent retailers and this has always struck me as strange.
Why reduce the chances of selling your mid range model to only those visiting independent stores, rather than selling them as part of your core range through the likes of Currys and the electricity board shops?
As it was, if you wandered into Currys the only Creda's you could buy between 1976 and 1979 was a budget model with one option button and enamel drum, or an all singing, all dancing top of the range with three option buttons, variable temperature dial and stainless steel drum. A big gap existed in the range that the 10300 filled, but which you could only purchase from 'Jo Bloggs Electrics' or possibly a department store.

As with the Hoover Selectamatic, with the 10300 not being part of the core range model line up, it doesn't appear to ever have been advertised in any official Creda brochures. Again, if you know different, please let me know.

Thankfully though, some of the independent stores that did sell the machine, advertised it through the pages of their local newspapers and this is where I found information for the 10300. One of these local newspapers was the Long Eaton Advertiser - Long Eaton being about twenty five minutes away from where I live.

Possibly for the first time, here is some information on the Creda 10300 debonair electronic ....


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Post# 1089882 , Reply# 7   9/19/2020 at 09:25 (919 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
CREDA 10300 debonair electronic ... continued

... and quite a startling machine it was, with a stainless steel door and two tone brushed fascia - different to such an extent that I did an artist impression of one.

Does anyone remember seeing or even selling the Creda 10300 - with that stainless steel square door, hopefully the impression below will jog some memories.

Strange knowing that 40 odd years ago, they were being sold just down the road! Oh, if only one would surface - here's hoping.

Paul
p.s if you do remember the 10300 and think the impression is wrong - let me know and I will try to correct it. In the absence of an actual photograph of the machine, black and white line drawings were all I had to go on.


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Post# 1089893 , Reply# 8   9/19/2020 at 13:14 (919 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Well done with the information treasure trove.

Here's a a couple of links to Wikipaedia and House of Fraser, regarding Isaac Benzies:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Benz...

www.housefraserarchive.ac...


It looks as though Benzies/Falconer/House of Fraser Group bought all the stock and became exclusive purveyors of the ACME machine. That might explain why they seem to be so rare.

Therefore, one wonders, did the other House of Fraser stores also sell the machine, such as 'Binns', 'Harrods', etc?


Nice to see that Crossroads managed to get their mitts on one.



Post# 1089968 , Reply# 9   9/20/2020 at 06:17 (918 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

'Therefore, one wonders, did the other House of Fraser stores also sell the machine, such as 'Binns', 'Harrods', etc?'

Good question and one I think I can offer an answer to!

Just been and checked the other adverts I saved concerning the ACME Automatic and there was another one, advertising them in the Walsall Observer in March 1967, for sale in Rackhams 'A Harrods Store' in Birmingham.

Looks like your theory is correct and the House of Fraser group bought up the stock and then sold them all off through their various different named stores.

Thanks to 'poptasticdave' for the Crossroads link - great to see one of these machines in colour!

Paul


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Post# 1090174 , Reply# 10   9/21/2020 at 17:14 (917 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Creda Debonair 10300

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Never knew there was a Ti Creda 10300 model Paul, seems there was a bit of confusion regarding if the spin speed was 800 or 850 rpm. Quiet and Stable in use. (Far from it) The super de-luxe electronic 10500 i can remember as a kid had a lovely unique loud sounding ramp up spinning sound.

Post# 1090179 , Reply# 11   9/21/2020 at 18:43 (917 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Did the Which? magazine ever get around to doing a test report on the ACME automatic?

Post# 1090345 , Reply# 12   9/23/2020 at 09:53 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Great idea Paul

I've been though my collection of leaflets and looked for brochures for our earliest Automatics here in the UK. Here's some machines that we all know and some leaflets hopefully some of you will not have seen before (or too many times!).

Cheers, Alan


Post# 1090346 , Reply# 13   9/23/2020 at 09:57 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Imperial Superautomatic



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Post# 1090348 , Reply# 14   9/23/2020 at 10:06 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Hoover Keymatic



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Post# 1090349 , Reply# 15   9/23/2020 at 10:13 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
English Electric Automatic



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Post# 1090350 , Reply# 16   9/23/2020 at 10:17 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Thor washer and dishwasher



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Post# 1090351 , Reply# 17   9/23/2020 at 10:25 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Bendix Triomatic



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Post# 1090352 , Reply# 18   9/23/2020 at 10:39 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Hotpoint toploader



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Post# 1090353 , Reply# 19   9/23/2020 at 10:47 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Servis and Parnell machines

There is of course the first Servis top loaders and Parnell machines to add here, which sadly I do not have any info on, but would welcome others to share if they have., would be great to see any literature on these which is out there.

Cheers, Alan


Post# 1090354 , Reply# 20   9/23/2020 at 10:51 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
And finally for today Zanussi

Here's a strange machine I never saw in the flesh, a top loader H-Axis machine (I assume?) from Zanussi. Has anyone ever seen one?

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Post# 1090356 , Reply# 21   9/23/2020 at 11:13 (915 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
H Axis Zanussi

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Hi Alan

Thank for posting all these great brochures, much appreciated :)

Sadly I have not seen the H Axis Zanussi and I would love a front view of that dishwasher too. Moving down though I have seen the machine shown at the front of the coupon - it's a DL6 washer same as my mother bought in April 1975

Al


Post# 1090365 , Reply# 22   9/23/2020 at 12:12 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        

Hi Al

I've blown up the some of the pictures and you can get an idea of the front of the dishwasher perhaps from the small group of appliances at the bottom, (now I've looked more carefully I can see it's got three racks too!) and of also the top load washer the controls look interesting, with the soap dispenser looks to be on the left.

Cheers, Alan


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Post# 1090379 , Reply# 23   9/23/2020 at 12:57 (915 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
Zanussi P5

I have some technical information on the P5 which may be of interest:

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Post# 1090381 , Reply# 24   9/23/2020 at 13:04 (915 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Zanussi P5

Oh yes that is super interesting, so it had no suspension then looking at the diagrams. Will read all of that later on!

Thanks for posting.



Post# 1090383 , Reply# 25   9/23/2020 at 13:11 (915 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here is a Dutch ad of the Zanussi P5. It was a compact machine with even a space for the hoses and the cord. You could easily move it around when the wheels were down.



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Post# 1090466 , Reply# 26   9/24/2020 at 08:08 (914 days old) by RobM (Buxted)        

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Great thread Paul, I had no idea the 10300 has a stainless steel door, I just assumed the difference in numbers was something basic like an orange button.

Thank you Alan for the brochures, you seem to have a nice collection.

Rob


Post# 1090486 , Reply# 27   9/24/2020 at 09:17 (914 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
New Pol

You're welcome Rob, I was a prolific collector at one point, I have thousands!

Here's a rarity machine I think for the time.


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Post# 1090516 , Reply# 28   9/24/2020 at 13:25 (914 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
CREDA 10300

Hi Craig and Rob.

Hope you are both doing OK.

After searching for information on the Creda 10300 for years, it was great to finally get an idea as to what it looked like, even if it was just fairly poor quality line drawings - although I think the fourth image is possibly a photograph, with the other three images drawings made from that fourth image.

The stainless steel effect door is quite a change from the main range - looks really smart in my opinion - certainly a bit different.

I too noticed the confusion re spin speed Craig - the official Creda brochure for the 10400 and 10500 states 850rpm, so pretty sure the 10300 will be 850 too.

Just reading the page for the 10500 and the brochure states '850 or 860 rpm rhythym spin' - quite what the 10rpm differential means, I don't know. Perplexed by what its trying to get at. Any ideas?

Paul :-)


Post# 1090517 , Reply# 29   9/24/2020 at 13:29 (914 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Rolls_Rapide.

I don't remember Which magazine mentioning the ACME at all - might have missed them doing so though. There certainly was never an image printed of one though, thats for sure.

Perhaps it wasn't around for long enough and fell between the cracks, or too few sold to warrant a mention. Thats just my supposition though.

Paul


Post# 1090519 , Reply# 30   9/24/2020 at 13:40 (914 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
New-Pol

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I think they were a Comet exclusive

Post# 1090524 , Reply# 31   9/24/2020 at 14:27 (914 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Holy BAT Underware ! "AJETACTION"

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Wow a "new" Frigidaire word after all these years !!  OMG Louis love the Heiroglyphs on the wash diagram for the P5 - we need a full dictionary !! Robert incorporate these symbols so we can post at will !

Love how Mommy encourages little johnny to love the Hotpoint, now thats 20th century living ---growing gays all over.

 


Post# 1090530 , Reply# 32   9/24/2020 at 14:50 (914 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Hoover Keymatic --CANDY????

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Post# 1090536 , Reply# 33   9/24/2020 at 15:21 (914 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Alan.

Many thanks for posting the brochures - always a treat!

Wonderful to see a 3226 Keymatic brochure - this is the machine that my godmother had, when I was a youngster. The suspension cable snapped and the drum dropped and sadly that was that :-( The timedial always looked smarter than the timeline to my eyes - glad that a number of this rarer model have surfaced over the years.

Your image of the advert for the Imperial, reminded me of this advert detailing both their offerings ...


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Post# 1090537 , Reply# 34   9/24/2020 at 15:29 (914 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Matchboxpaul:

"Perhaps it wasn't around for long enough and fell between the cracks, or too few sold to warrant a mention. Thats just my supposition though."


I came to the same conclusion, that is appeared and disappeared in pretty quick succession.

The Acme contract might have been nobbled from both ends at the same time - here in the UK as Acme went out of business - and in Italy as Zoppas came under Zanussi control.


Post# 1090538 , Reply# 35   9/24/2020 at 15:29 (914 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
ROLLS Robot

... and rolling on from Imperial, through to another Italian machine sold direct to the customer - the Rolls Robot.

In fact the Rolls didnt roll very far from Imperial, cause it was another case of badge engineering and was a clone of the Imperial REX, manufactured by REX-Zanussi.

Mathew (keymatic3203) met someone who owned one of these, so they were actually sold. For many years I think there was some doubt that these machines ever reached market, with no images or advertising being known about and it just being a name in a book for a long time.

Paul


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Post# 1090540 , Reply# 36   9/24/2020 at 15:46 (914 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
ZANUSSI P5 and A35T

I have a photo lifted from a similar advert to yours Alan.
I wonder of the P5 was a bucking broncho, like the compact H-axis AEG machines were?
Many videos on Youtube of the AEG top loaders doing their thing.

Other than the image and similar advert to yours, I dont have any more info on this model, so thanks to Tom for the technical information and to Louis for the advert.

On the subject of Zanussi top loaders, also sold was the A35T (see 2nd image attached below). I did think there was a video or two of this model on Youtube, but a quick search hasn't resulted in any videos. I must have been mistaken.

Paul


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Post# 1090542 , Reply# 37   9/24/2020 at 15:54 (914 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Why is it the old adverts always make things look so glamorous?

I want the New Imperial Superautomatic at 79Gns (or £82-19s-0d).


Post# 1090544 , Reply# 38   9/24/2020 at 16:06 (914 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Rolls_Rapide.

'The Acme contract might have been nobbled from both ends at the same time - here in the UK as Acme went out of business - and in Italy as Zoppas came under Zanussi control'.

Quite possibly true.
Whilst I was trawling newspaper archives, I stumbled across another direct sale front loader - actually two, but from one manufacturer - will try get them posted tomorrow.
No idea if either ever actually made market, or whether they were just cases of intent, but ending in failure to deliver.
Will have to try and find the adverts, which is going to be a headache! lol.

Mention of Zoppas though, made me remember that Currys adopted the name as their own in house brand in the mid 70s, flogging Zoppas fridge and freezers made by Zanussi and also the DL23T washing machine.

Paul


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Post# 1090546 , Reply# 39   9/24/2020 at 16:26 (914 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Good stuff, cheers!

Yes, that Zoppas is clearly a Zanussi by another name. Something always bugged me about Zanussi machines of the 1970s... the powder dispenser always looked to me, to be far too near the middle of the control panel. I'd have had the drawer offset to the left, like the sensible Hoover machines.


Post# 1090619 , Reply# 40   9/25/2020 at 05:19 (913 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
UK market front & top loaders 195? to 1990 - theories, queri

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Excellent thread Paul, its certainly flushing out some of the rare & obscure automatics, I do like those Zanussi H-axis little autos, and great to see the diagrams and specs of it, weighed down by the concrete for stability ,
reminds me of the semi auto Siemens that my school friends mum had.


Alan , Many Thanks for adding more of your fab collection of brochures, always a pleasure to peruse and see the detail. All we need now for Darren bendix Launderam in Lincoln is the Triomatic- what a boom that must have been to be able to dry.
My gran worked for a lady Dr who had this and always used her trusty Creda Debonair before using the dryer.

Thanks Callum for the information, its good to know the details of companies and how they came to be ..


Post# 1090632 , Reply# 41   9/25/2020 at 06:53 (913 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here some videos of a Zanussi toploader similar to the A35. My maternal grandparents had a Zanussi toploader too, it was a cheaper model, a Z14.














Post# 1090633 , Reply# 42   9/25/2020 at 07:06 (913 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Zanussi ad

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The Zanussi ad doesn't give much details about that particular model but sums up the advantages of the Zanussi brand.

1. Simple control. One dial only, 10 - 16 wash programmes
2. Absolute safety. Lid is locked during operation, heating doesn't engage when there is no water in the drum and there is the required aerator.
3. Cleaner laundry because of the drum with 2040 holes and a fast pump so the dirt doesn't stick to the laundry.
4. For every fibre. A programme for baby laundry and every detergent can be used including biological detergent.
5. Long life expectancy. Everything that gets in touch with water is absolutely rust free. And a Zanussi works practically silent.
6. International reputation. Zanussi is one of the biggest manufacturers and is sold in over 100 countries. There is a ver strict quality control.
7. Service and guaranty. Only the best dealers are allowed to sell Zanussi. And if something goes wrong the own service stations guarantee a swift service at home.


Post# 1090636 , Reply# 43   9/25/2020 at 07:33 (913 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here is another ad of the Zanussi P5. This ad gives more details about this machine.

Hello! Hello! Apartment dwellers and people living in small dwellings. Attention please!

If you had to say no to a washing machine because you didn't have the space for it, you can say yes now to the Zanussi P5, the only washing machine in the Netherlands that is compact but complete. Minimum sizes go together with maximum performance. The Zanussi P5 is a dwarf with a giant capacity.

Zanussi 5 kilo capacity washing machine.

The Zanussi P5 has casters so it can be moved around easily to the sink

and to the location you keep it.

The Zanussi P5 can be kept in a hallway or

next to a wash basin (without being annoying)

it fits neatly under a kitchen table or is

a table by itself (the Zanussi P5 is available with a wood top)


At the bottom some advantages are being mentioned again.

Programmes:

1. Cottons, heavy soiled
2. Whites
3. Whites, less soiled
4. Diapers
5. Colourfast colours
6. Not colourfast colours
7. No iron cotton
8. Strong synthetics
9. Delicate synthetics
10. Wool and silk
Plus: Extra rinse and spin.

The Zanussi P5 is a select machine but not more expensive than a normal fully automatic washing machine. 889,- guilders. In brown 919,- guilders. You get a full year warranty and the assurance of a good and swift Zanussi service. Zanussi has a great network of renowned dealers and above that own service stations in all parts of the Netherlands.





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Post# 1090646 , Reply# 44   9/25/2020 at 09:35 (913 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I found a video with a Privileg (relabelled Zanussi) similar to the P5. This might be a somewhat later model, it looks like it has more programmes. The part with this particular machine starts at 29.40 into the video.








Post# 1090657 , Reply# 45   9/25/2020 at 11:13 (913 days old) by alanlondon (London)        

Thank you for the info and videos Louis of the Zanussi machine, from a small picture a few days ago I have certainly learnt and appreciated a lot of information! Looks a really nice little machine.

Cheers, Alan


Post# 1090660 , Reply# 46   9/25/2020 at 11:35 (913 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Indesit L6

Here's a catalogue picture of an Indesit L6 machine (I believe) amongst others. I must be honest that when I was a child I would go to peoples houses and would instantly look for their washing machine and form a complete opinion of them based on what type and brand of machine they had... Hahaha, anyway on to Indesit. Here's nearly the same instruction booklet to accompany the picture.

(btw, would love a L5 machine now, oh how many of these I took took to the tip...)

Cheers, Alan


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Post# 1090749 , Reply# 47   9/26/2020 at 04:48 (912 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Thanks Louis for linking the Zanussi and Privileg videos.

Those videos for the A38T (wonder what was different between that and the A35?) are the ones that I remember. You really couldn't put much more water in that Zanussi on final rinse!

That Privileg looks like a lovely little machine and lot more stable than the similar offering from AEG.
Noting that one of the drawings on the second advert for the P5 is of it to the right hand side of a wash basin, I think an AEG 64 SL in a similar position would have seen the wash basin well and truly smashed!

Thanks for the full P5 advert translation too - very much appreciated :-)

AEG 64 SL below ...


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Post# 1090750 , Reply# 48   9/26/2020 at 05:04 (912 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Indesit L6SGB

Hi Alan.

Thanks for posting the Indesit instruction manaual!
Finally I can now have an idea as to what the programming of my example is, rather than guessing and hoping for the best. LOL.
Sadly this example is a bit of a weepy leaker and awaits a pair of experts eyes to hopefully be able to sort.

Back in the early 1980s a family friend had one of these that went faulty and was replaced by a Hoover Electron. Said Indesit was acquired by my dad, was repaired and passed on to one of my Aunt's and saw further service through to 1985.

The first photo is of my preserved example, built in '772' (is this the 2nd week of 1977 or February 1977?), whilst the second photo is of the machine that my dad repaired which, thinking about it, would have been back in 1983.
The other photos are of the circuit diagrams from inside my example and detail other variations of this model.

Paul


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Post# 1090751 , Reply# 49   9/26/2020 at 05:33 (912 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Indesit L5

Below is an image I found a couple of days ago and is from an advert for CIVIC stores.

It shows the Indesit Europa Bio (mid range) and the very rare Super Bio (top of the range) which boasted chrome trims all the way around the front of the bodyshell and what looks like a wood grain insert on the front and wood grain top. Never seen an image of this latter model before - does anyone have a better photo of this version?

Picking peoples brains here, for a little project of mine at the moment! This advert is from 1972 and shows the bulging bodyshell around the door, which was subsequently dropped.

The Export (budget) was L5EGB,
the Europa Bio (mid range) was L5LGB
&
the Super Bio (top of the range) was L5SGB .... does anyone know if these models were known by these model numbers, when they had the earlier bulging bodyshell style?

For the sake of the set, I have attached a photo of my L5EGB Export, which is currently away for tub repairs at Chris' (ServisChris).

Paul




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Post# 1090754 , Reply# 50   9/26/2020 at 06:11 (912 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Zanussi and AEG

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Paul,

The difference between the A35 and A38 models was the spinspeed. The A35 had a spinspeed of approx. 500 rpm (520 iirc) and the A38 approx. 800 (820 iirc). The Z14 my grandparents had spun at 380 or 400 rpm. The T must have been an extra feature, but I don't know what that would be. If I have a guess, it could be a different material for the lid, but I don't really know.

The spring suspension on the AEG made higher spinspeeds possible. The last model, the Lavamat 240's speed was 850rpm. The Zanussi and Privileg machines didn't go higher than 320rpm, due to a total lack of suspension. So the AEG might perform a little dance, but you got drier laundry in the end.


Post# 1090862 , Reply# 51   9/27/2020 at 05:13 (911 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Servis MK.72

Hi Paul, in answer to your question on your other post, my mother's first automatic was a Servis MK72 machine. I remember going with her to look at all the machines of the day and she really like this one as it was small and neat, the sales person took a lot of time with us two explaining how it would be hooked up and how it would work. In 1975 I'd be ten and I didn't say a word I was fascinated that this machine was going to do so much. Both my parents are no longer here and writing this today and looking at my mum's handwriting on the front and converting the cost into today's money I am quite staggered that she embarked on buying something of £1,200 equivalent at the time. In our little cul de sac we were the first to get an automatic, but I remember quickly the others following suit, with Jeannette next door also buying a Servis and Madge opposite buying a Bendix, all moving on from their twin tubs!

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Post# 1090865 , Reply# 52   9/27/2020 at 05:55 (911 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
First wash of the Servis Mk72...

The day that the Servis arrived was a magical and fraught day. The delivery men took the transit bolts off and helped connect it up to the taps of the kitchen sink with provided adapters (which always dripped), the waste pipe was also hooked over the sink, basically the kitchen sink was consumed with pipes (and it remained that way each time it was used for many years, it wasn't plumped in fully really until we moved house). So the delivery men left and its maiden wash was started, red and black pipes wriggled as the valves opened and closed and we all watched it fill and then tumble and stop, then tumble again and stop. My parents were happily married for 62 years, but could quite happily have a heated debate, they had been used to a four minute wash in the Hoover twin tub, so both looked concerned, was this right it seemed so gentle and what were these pauses in between the tumbling? My Mum looked back through the instruction book, my dad suggested perhaps that she hadn't set it correctly, further reading by her ensued, again she said she had done it correctly and then another doubt by my father and hey presto the instructions book was torn into two by my mum proclaiming to my father that he obviously knew more and didn't need her or the books help!

Here's the book stuck back together by her a day or two later.


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Post# 1090866 , Reply# 53   9/27/2020 at 06:08 (911 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Here's the actual machine

many years later (following two house moves), minus some brown trim which my mum cut off as she preferred the white underneath. I was (again) allowed to take the back off for a school project.

Cheers, Alan


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Post# 1090868 , Reply# 54   9/27/2020 at 07:24 (911 days old) by RobM (Buxted)        

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@alanlondon Loving your stories regarding your childhood Servis Alan. I have sent you an email via your profile email, I hope you don't mind.

Rob


Post# 1090877 , Reply# 55   9/27/2020 at 09:01 (911 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis MK72

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Wow Alan , what a story , I've heard that so many times either they sit in front of a new auto all night washing or as happened with your parents are confused by the time lol, oh dear I can imagine your reaction when the book got ripped 🙄

We finally got mine working last month with the a heater donated and fitted few years ago by Chris and a final push by Richard & Steve who took the cabinet off to reveal the tub on chassis, a 3 legged suspension and re tightened the bearings in the separate cast carrier, it really was ahead of it's time with the suspension etc, I'll do a separate thread on it shortly.

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Post# 1090886 , Reply# 56   9/27/2020 at 10:13 (911 days old) by Fredriksam (Sweden)        
Zanussi P5

Heres a video where you see a Privileg RS350 which is bsically the same as Zanussi P5 machine.

You see some of the inner workings of the machine in the clip.






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Post# 1090887 , Reply# 57   9/27/2020 at 11:12 (911 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Zanussi P5

Thank you very much Fredrik for posting that video, very interesting. Cheers, Alan

Post# 1090888 , Reply# 58   9/27/2020 at 11:17 (911 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Servis MK72

Thanks Mike and Rob, for your nice comments.

Mike your pair of Servis's look amazing, really great side by side they look in fabulous condition.



Post# 1090987 , Reply# 59   9/28/2020 at 06:48 (910 days old) by beehiveboy (Northamptonshire, England )        

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Here’s my contribution!

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Post# 1090993 , Reply# 60   9/28/2020 at 07:09 (910 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Alan, its not bad but its going for a cabinet re-spray now we know it all works, it was from a house that kept it in a rustic pine kitchen, hidden inside a cupboard with a round pin 15amp plug on which was draped over the front of the washer when door closed, hence a number of lovely round pin holes dotted along the plinth line, which has been painted over, nothing that my cousin, the sprayer of the keymatics cant fix !!

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Post# 1090994 , Reply# 61   9/28/2020 at 07:21 (910 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Philips

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Hello Paul

Thats a great brochure from an ere when Philips started to be at their peak for laundry, I think the next brown styled ranged proved to be the best selling. Had to take a double take as one of the pics looks just like the Philips display in the Calderdale Museum in Halifax that took the full foyer display from the original Philips factory and UK head office in Hipperholme.

Have you been to the museum yet Paul ? Cheers for showing the brochure.


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Post# 1090998 , Reply# 62   9/28/2020 at 07:38 (910 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Sorry Paul, here I go again ....

I believe the Philips front loader was the last of that particular series which were made in France and Slimstar made in the UK. I have never seen that particular version of the Slimstar only the earlier verion with blue trim. No, I dont have one of those but our good friend SESteve in London does. The first UK Philps auto was also a top loading H Axis machine with the direction of travel of the tumble going from side to side rather than front to back.

In the late(ish) 1970s Philips flip flopped the production so that the top loaders were made in France and the front loaders in the UK - made sense as that lined them up to their main respective markets. The front loader looks quite similar although without the buttons (one to open the door and one to open the powder drawer) - the Slimstar was rather different (a bit narrower) with the controls on an upstand at the back although very similar in style to the UK front loader.

Now, if you care to take a trip up north ....... Actually there are two very similar sets at home - the Philips 082 (this model was actually the first automatic washer & drier I ever owned, bought in 1980) and Mike has an Electra branded version with brown fasica but otherwise apparently identical. I think Mike has a couple of other Philips models in storage too

Al


Post# 1091026 , Reply# 63   9/28/2020 at 12:42 (910 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Alan.

Many thanks for posting the servis Mk72 brochure - that was a total treat to look through, to read your reminiscences of your parents machine and stirred memories that I have that machine and the following Mk300.

My aunty Madge and uncle Arnold had a Mk72 (replaced by a Model 6030 Quartz), as did my aunty Joan and uncle Philip but their machine was lost in a house fire. Have to say though that my favourite has to be the mk72 replacement - the model 300. It must be the magpie in me, but that shiny, brighter fascia is so smart to my eyes - a shame it was a short lived colour scheme.

Seeing the modifications your mum made to her mk72 (very neatly done - I like it!) reminded me of a different change my aunty Margaret and uncle Ed meeted out on their model 300, involving a tin of purple paint!
In its later years it had begun to look a bit tatty and when they moved house, fitted with an early 70s aubergine kitchen, my uncle got a tin of aubergine paint and painted the mk300 to match the units. He did a good job too - very neat and good colour match too!
Sacrilege today obviously and the matching dryer escaped the same treatment, by virtue of it not being in amongst the kitchen cupboards.

Oh for a model 300 to surface - keeping my fingers crossed that one day, one will. How many of us have a model 200 supadry, just waiting for a model 300, 301 or 302 to turn up?

Fascia image courtesy of one of Mike's instruction manuals (congrats on getting your mk72 to play ball - thumbs up!).
Not many images of the 300 about. Having looked at my images of the mk72, a lot of them are courtesy of mail order catalogues, which appeared to sell the 72 for pretty much its full production run. When that run finished, they don't look to have replaced it in their pages with the 300.

Paul






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Post# 1091027 , Reply# 64   9/28/2020 at 12:44 (910 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

p.s noticed that the Mk72 in the brochure has black switches. Mike's Mk75 supadrt has a black switch - must be an early machine!

Paul


Post# 1091128 , Reply# 65   9/29/2020 at 04:22 (909 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Servis

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Alan I take it thats the serial number marked on the instruction booklet ?
Servis MK72/ 150372 , 26/04/75 (white switches)

Mine is
Servis MK72/ 129630 , (white switches)


Paul do you think the black switches are the early models ? I never saw any with black switches and always thought they where later, I have another supa dry with white switches but the fascia was a more plastic printed so assumed that was later,
must check the serial number against the current show model !!


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Post# 1091323 , Reply# 66   9/30/2020 at 10:52 (908 days old) by alanlondon (London)        

Hi Paul (beehive), that is my all time favourite brochure out of all my collection, I have it too and I just love the way they display the machines and the design of them. My Mum replaced her Servis Mk 72 with a Philips slim star (largely influenced by me) and I adored that machine for many years until finally when it used to start its spin (full of water) it never manage to get to full speed, over heating the motor it would stop with the clothes wet...

Hi Paul (matchbox) thanks for sharing your story too, very sad (and no doubt dramatic) that your family lost a Servis in a house fire. With regards to the Servis 300 I've attached the brochure I have if you haven't seen it before.

Hi Mike, that is the serial number my mum has written on the book as I've also found a repair bill from Servis with the same number on it. Another small difference I noticed about these machines over time was my Mum's soap dispenser had plastic whitish/clear dividers like a comb (to separate the main wash from the prewash), whilst another I saw had black rubber flaps instead.

Cheers, Alan





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Post# 1091372 , Reply# 67   9/30/2020 at 15:49 (908 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Mike.

re the black switches on early machines - purely conjecture on my part, though based on never having seen any other images of a Mk72 with black switches.

The machines in the brochure also have slightly different fascias to every other Mk72 and Mk75 that I have seen in photographs - 'SERVIS' is written in orange, whilst 'AUTOMATIC' and 'SUPA-DRY' is written in white.

The earliest image I have is from the pages of KAYS catalogue Autumn/Winter 1972/73 (attached below), showing a regular looking Mk72, with white switches and the titles all in orange.
Machines in the brochure could be pre-production or early production, before settling on white switches before the end of 1972?

So frustrating that there doesn't appear to be a date code system on servis machines, cause your black switch dryer could give a clearer indication of what the situation was, based on when it was made.

As it is, all my witterings above is just a bit of a theory and a lot of waffle :-)
Paul






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Post# 1091374 , Reply# 68   9/30/2020 at 15:56 (908 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Thankyou Alan, for sharing the Model 300 brochure.

The kitchen that I first remember seeing my aunt and uncles Model 200 and 300 in (pre the move to the aubergine kitchen house), had very similar kitchen units to the ones on page 2 of the brochure. Just brings those memories flooding back :-)

Thank you.
Paul


Post# 1091769 , Reply# 69   10/3/2020 at 04:02 (905 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Something rather rare for my 5,000th post!

INDESIT - for years the builders of affordable and reliable automatics, if a little bit primitive perhaps and usually slow spinning, got advanced all of a sudden around 1983.

Before the delivery of a 1983 Ideal Home guide to kitchen design, I never knew the following models existed and the images were a total surprise.

Ever since they were being sold in the shops and up until about three years ago, I had believed that the top of the range Series 2000 machine was the '2103' all bells and whistles model, offering variable temperature and spin, with an 1100rpm maximum.
Always striking me as a really smart looking machine, the 2103 was one of those machines that I really hoped would one day surface for preservation and recently it has - sort of. Congrats to Chris on managing to preserve a '2256E', which was the 2nd generation series 2000 equivalent to the 2103, the only difference visually being the model number.
I will leave it to Chris to introduce the machine to Discuss o Mat, though he has posted a video of it on YouTube to celebrate 10,000 subscribers to his channel. Congrats again!

I've digressed though.
The 1983 Ideal Home kitchen guide arrived and I was shocked to see something completely different for Indesit - the Computer Wash, model '2104'.
I then managed to secure a 1984 Ideal Home kitchen guide and there it was again, but in its 2nd generation form as model '2257E'.
Looking like a veritable button and light festival, the 2104 was described as having a 1200rpm spin, though this was reduced to 1100rpm for the 2257E - pictures of both models are attached below.

Does anyone remember ever seeing these models in the shops, cause I have zero recollection of ever seeing them in stores and haven't been able to find any evidence of them being advertised in the press?

I looked back in the pages of Which magazines and consulted their model listings. For 2104, I cant actually remember what I found, but I do know that model 2257E did not appear in their listings, although a model 2258E did!
Was this just a typo and they meant to type 2257E, or were they unaware of model 2257E, in which case what was 2258E?

Assuming Which magazines mystery 2258E was actually the 2257E (or vice versa), potentially means the Indesit Computer Wash models were sold from 1983 through to 1986, yet no one has ever mentioned them to me and when I have shown them to others, they have been completely taken aback by their existence as well.
Do any Italian members remember them being sold in Italy?

I really hope someone will be able to flesh out some of the background to the Indesit Computer Wash.

Paul





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Post# 1091788 , Reply# 70   10/3/2020 at 07:36 (905 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Especially in the 1980's I loved looking at appliances and browsed many shops and department stores. I am pretty sure that model wasn't sold in the Netherlands.

Post# 1091801 , Reply# 71   10/3/2020 at 09:00 (905 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
@matchbox Paul

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Do you have any brochures on the Indesit Omega? We had one back in the late 80's it was grey and black and had a ripping 1200 spin..... Sadly the bearings went so the wiring and timer was transplanted into a brown facia model which had the 1100 spin or at least it did until I swapped the innards :) It was a superb machine and the only I know of at the time that did a tumble fill. Sold it to my sister after her Indesit L8 died she had it for a good few years until her house got flooded and because the laundry was a step down from the rest of the ground floor it filled up first and got the washer and dryer both replaced with new on the insurance with like for like.

Austin


Post# 1091834 , Reply# 72   10/3/2020 at 14:17 (905 days old) by ServisChris (Southampton, Hampshire UK)        
Indesit Series 2000

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As Paul said, I recently picked up a 1983 Indesit Series 2000 model 2256E. The machine is pretty much brand new, Its an 1100rpm brushed motor machine with variable temperature and spin speed dials...

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Post# 1092181 , Reply# 73   10/6/2020 at 12:03 (902 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Thanks for the feedback Louis.
The ComputerWash models are something that I never saw either. Perhaps they were like the Zanussi Input Systems and were quite simply rarer than hens teeth to find in the shops.


Hi Austin.
I don't have any brochures for the Indesit Omega sadly. They look to have only produced a handful of 1200rpm Omega's - models 1230 (I think this was the core range model, so will have had a brown fascia - just me guessing though!), 1232 (Rumbelows exclusive, with a white fascia) and 1237 (Comet exclusive, with a grey fascia).
The grey fascia models, described in Which magazine as Comet exclusives, also appear to have been sold through the pages of mail order catalogues, with the 824 (800rpm) and what I think is the 1037 (1100rpm) appearing in one of the attached pages below.

Hi Chris.
The 2256E looks in stunning condition! It's really good news that one of these machines has finally surfaced and has been able to be preserved :-)


Paul


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Post# 1092291 , Reply# 74   10/7/2020 at 12:53 (901 days old) by anthony (uk)        
During my time at Frigidaire in the 70s

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There was an automatic front loader [The Auto 50]running along side the Frigidaire TTs .This was in the early 70s when Auto washers were just sort of catching on over here .It was a basic machine [800 spin i think] but sold very well. Later in the decade it would morph into the Auto 51 [same machine just some cosmetic changes .I have never seen one since that time .Also worked a lot on the similar Ariston front loaders

Post# 1092319 , Reply# 75   10/7/2020 at 16:27 (901 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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Thank you Paul, So that means the grey one I had was a Comet model and that would indicate why there were so few of them about.

Austin


Post# 1094306 , Reply# 76   10/24/2020 at 08:25 (884 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Austin.
Sorry for delay - I would presume so, re your machine being from Comet. I have been trying to figure out the Indesit original Omega series and its proving a tad confusing, with some sources saying exclusive to this shop or that store, then I stumble across the same model seemingly being sold somewhere else.

I would say its fairly certain that it was a Comet sourced model, but you never know.

Paul


Post# 1094308 , Reply# 77   10/24/2020 at 08:28 (884 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Back to the 1960s ....

and a bit of Duomatic action, in the form of the 'AUTOQUEEN' from 1964 ....

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Post# 1094309 , Reply# 78   10/24/2020 at 08:32 (884 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
March 2nd 1964

and Duomatic were staring to advertise their automatic offering, in the form of the 'AUTOMASTER'.

I state the date cause here we have a machine which I think is derived from a san Giorgio model ...


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Post# 1094310 , Reply# 79   10/24/2020 at 08:36 (884 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

.... but by March 30th 1964, the AUTOMASTER had morphed into something visually a lot more basic.

Somewhere in March, looks like they settled on getting into bed with CASTOR and started to sell a version of the CASTOR Queenmatic instead ....


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Post# 1094312 , Reply# 80   10/24/2020 at 08:39 (884 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Link below to one a series of superb Italian adverts for the CASTOR Drymatic (also sold in the UK) and the new CASTOR Queenmatic ...

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Post# 1094316 , Reply# 81   10/24/2020 at 09:12 (884 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Was there any particular association between GM Europe (Vauxhall/Opel) and Frigidaire appliances in Europe? Of course they were associated in the US; and we see the Frigidaire/Holden's advertisement pop up every now and again from Australia, but was there any connection? From what it appears here it was more a labelling thing (getting a full line of appliances from around the region) rather than any sort of manufacturing thing.

Post# 1094429 , Reply# 82   10/24/2020 at 22:40 (884 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

In Australia, the Frigidaire washers, stoves and fridges were made by GM Holden in their Dandenong factory which also made Holden cars. We had the Pulsamatic, Multimatic washers, I don't know if we ever got Unimatics or Rollermatics. The washers were unique to Australia in detail but basically were the US technology.

I still own a round body Frigidaire washer which is, I'm told, unlike anything ever sold in the USA but uses a standard pulsamatic mechanism. It is manual control, you fill it with a hose, turn on agitation when full, switch to spin to drain and spin, then refill and manually wash again to rinse. There is no timer, just a wash-off-spin switch. Made in 1958.

The stoves were very "USA style" in that the oven was directly under the hotplates, most Australian stoves of the time have the griller (broiler) above the oven. So I'm guessing probably a US model made in Australia.

The washers used the same model names for plain or posh models - Deluxe, Custom, Imperial and so on. We also had a "Master" which was the most basic - I think it was semi-automatic - just a wash/spin switch and a clockwork 15 minute timer. I have a dashboard from one somewhere.

Now we need some Europe / UK people to chime in...

I do remember a UK advert popping up on this website which mentioned a Frigidaire washer with jet-action up and down agitator, so it must have involved some real Frigidaire technology.


Post# 1094774 , Reply# 83   10/27/2020 at 07:19 (881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I came across the Rex version of a Zanussi P5:








Post# 1094939 , Reply# 84   10/28/2020 at 13:53 (880 days old) by Alanlondon (London)        

Thank you for sharing Louis, very interesting

Post# 1094948 , Reply# 85   10/28/2020 at 14:57 (880 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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You're welcome Alan!

But wait, there's more...

Some interesting videos about the Rex P33, even a few videos with a spin cycle.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK


Post# 1095909 , Reply# 86   11/5/2020 at 04:39 (872 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire

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Hi Jamie (Jamiel) in the UK Frigidaire was a subsidiary of General Motors and designed and produced most of their own appliances or under license etc.

We had a range of Frigidaire Dri-Spin Spin Dryers designed and produced here, a Frigidaire Twintb and the very unique Frigidaire Jetamatic Top Loader like the Unimatic but had a powerful 3kw heater for the UK water supply.

Great products , the spin dryers had a big cast iron cradle which supported the heavy vitreous enamel spinner drum, many about today !!

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Post# 1095910 , Reply# 87   11/5/2020 at 04:41 (872 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire UK

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The Frigidaire Mastertwin was a family favourite as seen the the British Twintub Thread. (Killer Heels optional for use ha ha )


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Post# 1095911 , Reply# 88   11/5/2020 at 04:44 (872 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire

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We also had a Frigidaire Top Loading H-axis washer dryer using residual drying, this was made in France and sold here.

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Post# 1095912 , Reply# 89   11/5/2020 at 04:47 (872 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire UK

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And finally the elusive "Jetamatic" top loading automatic based on the Rollamatic design but with added feature of 3 kw water heater .

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Post# 1095913 , Reply# 90   11/5/2020 at 05:57 (872 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Rex / Zanussi P5

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A great selection of videos Louis, Thanks for sharing, Sebastian Candybimatic has a lovely collection. I love this style of wshing machine having grown up with wringers and twintubs i was blown away when I saw my school friends mum who had returned from living in Germany using a H-axis single tub manual washing machine, not even semi automatic, just the simple drum with one fill / empty pipe.!!

Post# 1095923 , Reply# 91   11/5/2020 at 07:08 (872 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
Jetamatic

interesting to read on page 4 of Mike's great brochure:

"Unique Simplicity.

Frigidaire's patented Roller-matic mechanism is exclusive to Frigidaire. It needs an absolute minimum of maintenance because there is so little to go wrong... etc."

 

So it looks like Rollermatic not Unimatic.

Are there any still around? I'm fascinated.


Post# 1095933 , Reply# 92   11/5/2020 at 08:00 (872 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Rollermatic / Jetamatic / Unimatic

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Cheers Chris glad youre hawkeye, lol, have ammended,

So the spin speed is saying pulling 191 G`s am assuming this is less than the Unimatic at 1140rpm ?

Non around that we know of alas...only ever saw the turquoise Frigidaires in the Launderettes..

Youll have to post new videos of your round Frigidaire with pipe stopper !!


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Post# 1096017 , Reply# 93   11/5/2020 at 22:14 (872 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Thanks for the info--were these produced in Luton? Ellesmere Port? Some random manufacturer? The foreign re-badges I get, but I'm inferring that there was some domestic Frigidaire production...

Post# 1096033 , Reply# 94   11/6/2020 at 01:43 (871 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
Heating the water in the Jetamatic

I'm curious to know how the water was heated in the Jetamatic, it mentions 'overflow rinse' so I assume that it's a solid wash tub? In that case did it heat it's water in the base of the machine and then pump it to the tub later?

Post# 1096037 , Reply# 95   11/6/2020 at 03:51 (871 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire

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Hi Jamie Frigidaire UK Domestic Appliances was a subsiduary of General Motors but a stand alone company, the factory was not linked to the car plants but its own factory & workforce in North London & Birmingham.

Nothing to do with another manufacturer and badged appliances , totally stand alone company !!


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Post# 1096038 , Reply# 96   11/6/2020 at 03:54 (871 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire JetaMatic

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Hi Alan as far as am aware it was solid tub with heater in base recess like Hotpoint TL ? Unless any engineers know different ? Fascination machine, never saw one or even in shops etc, mainly the spinners

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Post# 1096039 , Reply# 97   11/6/2020 at 04:38 (871 days old) by alanlondon (London)        
thanks Mike

so I guess it was continually overflowing and recycling the heated water in the base to the tub?

Post# 1096040 , Reply# 98   11/6/2020 at 05:05 (871 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire Jetamatic

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Hi Alan, It was a static fill & Heat , then when at righ temp you selected washtime ?

I think the overflow was only for the rinse..

Programmes are if my eyes are right:

RHS Control, Fill & Heat, Empty, Spin, Fill 1, Rinse, Off then Fill & Heat, Spin, Fill 1, Rinse, Spin Dry

LHS Programme & Temp dial - Whites Wash + PreWash, Whites Wash, Colours, Man Made Drip Dry, Blankets, Woollens, Soak


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Post# 1096045 , Reply# 99   11/6/2020 at 06:23 (871 days old) by alanlondon (London)        

fascinating Mike, so likelihood is then it filled the outer tub, heated the water and then pumped this into the tub for the wash action to start. I guess a bit like the Parnell I assume?

Post# 1096054 , Reply# 100   11/6/2020 at 08:01 (871 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire UK

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I wouldnt think so Alan, the Parnall has a massive outer tub to hold an inner tub full of water ?

Question for the MultiMatic gang, Does the Multimatic have a solid tub and outer tub liner ? or inner tub with holes ?

Judging by You Tube they all look solid, which does beg the question Alan if heated in the outer tub how big would it have to be to then fill the inner tub and how is it pumped ?


Post# 1096108 , Reply# 101   11/6/2020 at 16:51 (871 days old) by anthony (uk)        
the Jetamatic

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was a hot and cold fill machine .It had a heater in the outer tub rather like the Hotpoint top loader

Post# 1096111 , Reply# 102   11/6/2020 at 17:13 (871 days old) by anthony (uk)        
the Jetamatic

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As far as i can remember [It is some 45 years ago]there was no recirculating water .Once full if the water was not hot enough the heater came on .once at the right temp the jet action starts .Once the washing is finished the machine spins then fills with cold water the jet action starts the machine fill right up tp the overflow then the pump starts then another spin .more fresh water [cant remember how many rinses ]then the final spin .The machine did use loads of water and as i have said before if overloaded the wash was poor. The pump was large and quite powerful resulting in a larger than average drain hose .I only ever saw these machines in well to do homes doctors .vicarages .dentists ect where there was usually a wash house for the machine to live in .I suspect it was far too big to have in the average UK kitchen .The jetamatic was larger than the Hotpoint and in my opinion not as efficient. Would love to get my hands on one now just for old times sake .I still have a scar on my little finger where i i got my hand caught up in the jetamatics inner workings

Post# 1096168 , Reply# 103   11/7/2020 at 06:04 (870 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K)        
Jetamatic...

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I think it had a heating element in the outer tub like the Hotpoint, it mentions nothing like the Parnall set up in the brochure or installation instructions.
Cheers
Keith


Post# 1096171 , Reply# 104   11/7/2020 at 06:36 (870 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Jetamatic

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Thanks for the clarification Anthoney, yes would be great to find one for old times sake.

Question the Hotpoint has holes in the inner drum so when filled the water and heat energy gets into the washtub from the heater in the outer tub base. Do we know if the Jetamatic had a tub like the frigidaire spinner with holes etc, because if its solid it must dual fill both tubs inner and outer then heat and the energy transferred (quite innificiently would have thought ) to water at top of inner tub ?

Mind a hot fill would help immensely with heating etc. Heres the Which 1969 report for comparison with the leading brands Hoover and English Electric.


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Post# 1096237 , Reply# 105   11/7/2020 at 13:46 (870 days old) by anthony (uk)        
the jetamatic

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i am sure the inner tub had holes in it [an awful lot of water for that heater to heat up especially if its starting from cold].I have been racking my brains trying to remember how the rollermatic drive worked [am getting nowhere ] All i can remember is that the front of the machine came off making it easy to see what was going on while the machine was in action. What i can remember is that the machine had a clutch meck for use when spinning it used large cork like rings about the size of a CD as clutch plates .the motor would start up for a spin and the tub would gradually some up to speed rather like the Hotpoint TT .The jetaction was caused by a steel arm riding over nylon rollers but just how it worked i cant remember .Its only 2 or 3 years ago when i threw out folders full of diagrams /price lists exploded and parts lists for all the machines .If only i had kept them .I have just made contact with a guy who was my manager way back then [He is 93]I will talk to him .maybe he can shed some light

Post# 1096344 , Reply# 106   11/8/2020 at 06:57 (869 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire Rollermatic mechanism

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Was it like this Alan ?






Post# 1096346 , Reply# 107   11/8/2020 at 07:03 (869 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire rollermatic / Jetamatic

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Post# 1096431 , Reply# 108   11/8/2020 at 16:46 (869 days old) by anthony (uk)        
yes

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Wow .i haven't seen that for a very long time .[you can see how easy it would be to damage ones fingers]Yes that's exactly what i remember .All done with rollers and you can just see the top of the large pump on the motor shaft .Also the arm going up and down .that pump can really move water. The jetamatic has its own distinct sound as it does its thing .While the actual motor is very quiet the mechanism makes a sort of chuka chuka sound as the agitator [if you can call it that]goes up and down .great to see all that stuff again .

Post# 1096618 , Reply# 109   11/10/2020 at 05:45 (867 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire UK

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A very unique washer for here, have been talking with others and we cant get our heads around it if it was a solid tub other than dual fill to use the heater , concensus is it must have had holes like the Frigidaire spinners ..

I hope the finger wasnt too badly injured Anthony ?


Post# 1096619 , Reply# 110   11/10/2020 at 05:47 (867 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire UK

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Hi Keith

Could you post pics of the Frigiaire Jetamatic user manual or merchandise if you have it please ? would be great to see programme guides for using the heater etc or even if it shows an inner tub pic.

Cheers, Mike


Post# 1096666 , Reply# 111   11/10/2020 at 15:48 (867 days old) by anthony (uk)        
practically

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all the jetamatics I saw were in well off large homes with good central heating systems supplying plenty of hot water. at this time the hot water in our house was supplied by an immersion heater with the only other heating in the coming from the gas fire in the living room although we did have one of those electric geyser things [made by Creda]for small amounts of hot water in the kitchen. I once went to a large house in Middlesbrough where the occupants had moved over from the states bringing their Frigidaire washer and dryer with them .They were both installed in the large wash house of a rambling vicarage .the machines had big transformers allowing them to run on 240 volts .Both machines were in a canary yellow colour with chrome control panels mounted on fake wood consoles. I never touched the dryer m but the washer was basically a jetamatic in a fancy cabinet. Getting back to the Jetamatic i am sure there is a ring of holes under the bottom vane of the agitator and slits around the rim of the tub

Post# 1096707 , Reply# 112   11/11/2020 at 02:44 (866 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K)        

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@Mike,

I will try and take a pic of the leaflet later, it isn't a very informative pamphlet though. It is a 3 page fold out item.

You can't see if the tub has holes as its speckled grey and is the same pic as in thread 96. It does show a pic of the wash mechanism.

Cheers
K


Post# 1097048 , Reply# 113   11/14/2020 at 12:57 (863 days old) by Keymatic (Surrey.U.K)        

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Jetamatic....

Evening all, finally found the time to take a quick pick of the Frigidaire Jetamatic pamphlet/leaflet.

Cheers
Keith


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Post# 1097106 , Reply# 114   11/15/2020 at 04:40 (862 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidaire JetaMatic

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Fabulous , good to read the info, Thanks Keith, fascinating machine. You can see why Anthony had a lucky escape with the moving mechanism.

Now get those other sides posted ha ha , need to see exactly what the programmer says ?


Post# 1097807 , Reply# 115   11/21/2020 at 09:51 (856 days old) by Michael (London /England)        
Brilliant!

Thanks for this..it has brought back many memories of past machines...
Back in 1977, I got a magazine from WH Smiths called which washing machine?..it had a drawn picture of a front loader with water three quarters up the glass.All I remember it was a mine of information, listing all makes and models and photos...a real gem!
How I wish I still had it...does anyone else remember it?


Post# 1100808 , Reply# 116   12/16/2020 at 06:08 (831 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
1977 Washing Machine Report

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Hello Michael

Was it a Which consumer report at all do you think ?

1977 was a great era for reviewing what to buy, pity they dont make it as simple today !!

Heres a link to the 1977 Which Consumer report, Enjoy the read !!


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Post# 1131021 , Reply# 117   10/12/2021 at 12:53 (531 days old) by Fredriksam (Sweden)        
Zanussi P33 P5

Found these videos of another version of the Zanussi P33 also known as P5. The machine in the videos are called Tatramat Mini 246 but its the very same drum in it as it is with Zanussi p5 + P33.

















Post# 1131022 , Reply# 118   10/12/2021 at 13:02 (531 days old) by Fredriksam (Sweden)        
Philips 303

Found some videos of a Philips 303 from the 70´s. It was one of the more cheapest models and had no spin-drain and spin speed was about 500 rpm.












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