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Thread Number: 84639
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Whirlpool Belt drive updates and help needed. |
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| Post# 1090612 9/25/2020 at 03:49 (1,309 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
Hi everyone.
I have posted some time ago about the problem I was having with my BD Whirlpool from '84 I managed to find an used tranny and have it shipped. Unfortunately during shipping the washing cam bar got bent. Not a big issue I suppose, as I can get the other one out from my old transmission. I was told I can remove the plunger rivet and use a nail that i will bend instead to replace the rivet. Anyways. I finally found out what the problem is with my old transmission and it was water in it, and plenty! When I tilted the machine and I started unscrewing brackets and everything to get the tranny out it started pouring water supposedly from the vent or agitator shaft. It poured i'd say a large glass of water and after that mucky black oil started dripping. I got the transmission out but the spin tube and brake assembly only came out like 3 inches and got stuck. I was told to pound it out. Of course it's a seal fail but I want to understand what's the seal that actually failed now. What I got out is the transmission with the agitator shaft only and it looks a little bit rusty but I cannot really tell if it got water coming down from it or if the leak came from the other one seal between spin tube and sleeve even though it appears to be shiny in the 3 inches portion that i got out so i'm prone to think it is the inner upper agitator shaft seal. Do someone have a part number for that one? The new used transmission came complete with spin tube and brake assembly, but if the leak came from the other seal it means I got water on the bearings... When I will get the spin tube out I will be able to determine the internal conditions of the sleeve and check on the bearings If bad or anything though I can tell it spun smoothly last time it was used and I did not hear any weird bearings noises. In case they are bad I was told of a kit part number including upper lower bearings+upper lower seals. But unfortunately I miss both extractor and pushing tools. I hope they are in good conditions though, as I said the portion of the spin tube that came out looks good. | ||
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| Post# 1090614 , Reply# 1 9/25/2020 at 04:12 (1,309 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 1090634 , Reply# 2 9/25/2020 at 07:11 (1,309 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Water In Transmission On A BD WP The water usually comes down the agitator shaft.
The top oil-water seal around the agitator shaft and the top oil-water seal around the basket drive shaft are critical to a durable washer.
The area on both these shafts where the seal rides must be smooth and not rusted or worn, if not the repair will not last long at all.
Unless a lot of moisture got in the center post bearings you usually do not need to replace the CPBs. You can just clean the area above them and install a new upper seal relubricate and use a good spin tube.
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| Post# 1090650 , Reply# 3 9/25/2020 at 09:53 (1,309 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1090651 , Reply# 4 9/25/2020 at 09:55 (1,309 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1090756 , Reply# 5 9/26/2020 at 06:49 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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I got the spin tube out and bearings look ok.
Now it is time to order the seals. I'm not understanding quite Well all those seals. I found a chart with the part numbers but is not clear at all. Please help me see if I understand it right. 91938 goes on the outside of the spin tube into the sleeve? 91939 is the agitator shaft seal that goes inside the spin tube and can be seen just above spin tube lips and basket drive thingies. 8577376 Not understanding it. Where does it go? 54209 goes on the sleeve on the bottom of the machine? | ||
| Post# 1090759 , Reply# 6 9/26/2020 at 07:30 (1,308 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
The 91939 seal is the one for the top of the spin tube. If you order the bearing kit 285134 it will have all of the center post seals for a belt drive machine. The 8577376 is an updated top center post seal which incorporates 2 seals into one. I have not used this one on a belt drive personally. It was used on many direct drive machines.
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| Post# 1090760 , Reply# 7 9/26/2020 at 07:42 (1,308 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1090762 , Reply# 8 9/26/2020 at 08:04 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1090763 , Reply# 9 9/26/2020 at 08:10 (1,308 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1090765 , Reply# 10 9/26/2020 at 08:16 (1,308 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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The 91939 | ||
| Post# 1090770 , Reply# 11 9/26/2020 at 08:33 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Ok so...
The 91939 is this one in the picture. Gotcha.
I'm not understanding the others. Is there a diagram with references of where they go? Thanks
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| Post# 1090774 , Reply# 12 9/26/2020 at 09:04 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1090775 , Reply# 13 9/26/2020 at 09:06 (1,308 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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One arrow points to the spin tube seal and the other points to the seals in the top of the center post.
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| Post# 1090776 , Reply# 14 9/26/2020 at 09:14 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Yes the upper one I already removed it from the spin tube. And is the 91939 that does not come in the bearings kit Correct?
I'm trying to pull out the other one in the sleeve which i did not understand the correct number yet or how it looks like. Sleeve is so greasy and mucky. Pulling out chunks of seal trying to force out with pliers and a flat head screwdriver but I don't understand if it got metal outside or what. I took a look at how the bearings kit look like and i dont understand why so many seals and where they go | ||
| Post# 1090777 , Reply# 15 9/26/2020 at 09:24 (1,308 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1090778 , Reply# 16 9/26/2020 at 09:45 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Okay.
So if i'm getting that right the ring shaped seals goes on the bottom of each bearing like the one at the bottom of the sleeve. So I will not use them since am not going to remove the bearings they are shiney i spot no rust. I see each kit differs from one another and probably many are not original of course. For example in this kit I'm looking at I got 3 bell-shaped seals. Which one is the right one to be put in the sleeve riding spin tube? Thank you
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| Post# 1090779 , Reply# 17 9/26/2020 at 10:09 (1,308 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1090781 , Reply# 18 9/26/2020 at 10:18 (1,307 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1090782 , Reply# 19 9/26/2020 at 10:29 (1,307 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1093864 , Reply# 20 10/20/2020 at 13:38 (1,283 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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I received all the seals needed.
At the end I have ordered the bearing kit. And the 91939 separately, though by removing the old 91939 seal from the spin tube two metal bands came out. Looks like there was another seal under the other one. Looks like a round one, both were very worn. By looking online for the 91939 it looks like some contains two parts, others like the one I got just one seal. By measuring indeed it seems too short. What do I do now? I need another seal? | ||
| Post# 1093865 , Reply# 21 10/20/2020 at 13:42 (1,283 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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| Post# 1093866 , Reply# 22 10/20/2020 at 13:45 (1,283 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 1093984 , Reply# 23 10/21/2020 at 16:54 (1,282 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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Post# 1093985 , Reply# 24 10/21/2020 at 16:57 (1,282 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i) |
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| Post# 1095744 , Reply# 25 11/4/2020 at 05:32 (1,269 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Hi all.
Today I should receive the infamous little seal that I needed to complete this project. I have a few questions about lubricants and grease. The seal kit I received talks about having to grease one seal with Rikon grease and another one with turbine oil as some of you also suggested above. Now of course I don't have nor the Rikon grease or turbine oil. I don't even know what the equivalent will be for turbine oil over here in Italy because I never heard such a thing and the only thing that pops out googling it is some stuff related to power producing Wind mills Haha... I know that whirlpool had a part for it and it was a pouch with this oil...But is NLA. Now for the grease what I got is a kind of anti humidity naval grease that says is good to lube seals and bearings, I guess It Should Be fine. But the closest thing I have or I can think about turbine oil could be is sewing machine oil... I have some sewing machine oil here but it's a very cheap kinda dollar store one and very thin...could do? Suggestions? Thanks | ||
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Post# 1095746 , Reply# 26 11/4/2020 at 05:48 (1,269 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Turbine oil....
Most popular choice for we Americans would be "Zoom" spout which comes in a few varieties.
www.amazon.com/Norvey-Zoo... www.amazon.com/SUPCO-GIDDS-46135... www.acehardware.com/departments/... www.highsidechem.com/zoom_spout.... | ||
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Post# 1095747 , Reply# 27 11/4/2020 at 05:50 (1,269 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 1095749 , Reply# 28 11/4/2020 at 06:08 (1,269 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Rikon is actually Rykon. Sorry I misspelled it.
Bearing+seal kit pamphlet states it should be a pink grease. I found the zoom spout oil sold in some US appliances part stores indeed, it does not say it substitutes the Whirlpool turbine oil, and the website that used to sell the pouch says there is no known substitute to their knowledge. I found the zoom spout oil sold here and it is sold as sewing machine oil. I see there are two variations though, one seem to be clear and another one is yellowish even though looks like both packages calls for them being multi purpose lubes and no apparent differences. Various brands also.... What I found sold here is the clear one. Here is where the assumption it may be something similar to sewing machine oil came from. | ||
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Post# 1095750 , Reply# 29 11/4/2020 at 06:30 (1,269 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 "No known substitute" ... just refers to an identical or similar packaged alternative for the Whirlpool packaged part-item aimed at appliance servicers. Turbine oil is a high-quality type of lubricant formulated of a base oil with added corrosion and oxidation inhibitors, emulsifiers, and anti-foaming agents ... suitable for use on high-speed rotating mechanisms. What is turbine oil? | ||
| Post# 1095751 , Reply# 30 11/4/2020 at 06:37 (1,269 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Post# 1095754 , Reply# 31 11/4/2020 at 07:42 (1,269 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If worse comes to worse many sellers on eBay USA or maybe elsewhere in Europe will ship to Italy..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Supco-Original-... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.htmlQUESTIONM... That try Amazon either in Italy or somewhere else in EU. | ||
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Post# 1095825 , Reply# 32 11/4/2020 at 16:55 (1,268 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Oils An d Grease For BD WP Washers Is nothing special and suitable lubricants can be found easily anywhere in the world.
For oil for the spin tube etc, light motor oil such as sewing machine or bicycle oil is fine, for grease for the seals any automotive wheel bearing grease will far out perform what WP used at the factory, These machines only spin at about 550 RPMs after all.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1096046 , Reply# 33 11/6/2020 at 06:32 (1,267 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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Thank you John.
I'm trying to fit the new seals but it's very hard and are getting stuck. Trying to push with a piece of tube and hammer but won't budge. And it is just the first one. The shaft seal I almost broke it too and kinda cracked down the lip but it should work anyways. I am afraid to break them and if I do I will just give up on this washer and toss it away. I wasted too much money already and this machine is way too delicate and risky for me. I can't help but always think how much general electric and others just made things much more smartly and it is painful to say because I love WP/KM style and washing action. | ||
| Post# 1096053 , Reply# 34 11/6/2020 at 07:04 (1,267 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.) | ||
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