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Post# 45133   9/15/2004 at 01:03 (7,098 days old) by steve1-18 (Grovetown (Augusta), GA)        

I was at Lowe's yesterday and I saw a new set of Whirlpools. They are small enough to fit under a kitchen counter (smaller than the frigmores). The washer and dryer both have windows in the door and they both are hinged on the left (cannot be reversed). They are pretty Plain Jane cheap looking.

I would estimate the washer to be close to 2 cu-ft. The dryer drum is not much bigger. They are both made in Italy. They were so new, the price tags weren't even on them, yet.

I went to Whirlpool's web sire and they don't have them listed, either.





Post# 45135 , Reply# 1   9/15/2004 at 01:31 (7,098 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Whirlpool makes front loading washing machines for the European market. Maybe it was one of these machines.

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Post# 45349 , Reply# 2   9/19/2004 at 00:59 (7,094 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I saw this pair @ Lowe's today. Kinda cute, except that they are small. If I have it right, the washer is model LHW0050. It has rotary dials for spin speed and cycle selection, but they are electronic, and several pushbuttons for options and start/pause/whatever. If I remember correctly, there's a choice of seven or eight spin speeds. Both the washer and dryer have stainless steel drums. Sorry, I didn't write down the prices, but I think the washer was $479 and the dryer $399 (or was it $299???).

Post# 45350 , Reply# 3   9/19/2004 at 01:48 (7,094 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
AU Whirlpool

Our FL Whirlpools are supposed to be Italian made too I think.

They look compact by American standards but they hold a 7kg load.

The webiste has finally been updated to show the new TL Whirlpools that are available, or TOL is much lower spec'd than the US TOL.


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Post# 45355 , Reply# 4   9/19/2004 at 04:26 (7,094 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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The Australian standards always seem a bit overrated to me. According to European standards that 7kg machine can hold 6kg. I have seen that with other brands too. Even Miele is doing that. Strangely enough machines with the same drum get a different rating.

Post# 45380 , Reply# 5   9/19/2004 at 15:11 (7,093 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Capacity

Whirlpool in the FL over here, put it down to the 6th sense technology to get the extra capacity.

In the dryer, one is 5 and 6kg, the drum is the same size, but they claim that 6th sense allows you to dry more in the same space. Whether its true or not, who knows?


Post# 45390 , Reply# 6   9/19/2004 at 19:25 (7,093 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Lowe's Knows

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I saw these at my Lowes today. I guess they had them mismarked because the sign said 495 for the pair. Probably should have bought a set on the spot, huh.

MRB


Post# 45521 , Reply# 7   9/21/2004 at 11:14 (7,091 days old) by Christd1 ()        
New Whirlpool FLW @ Lowes

Here are the details:

Washer- LHW0050PQ
2.9 cu ft
24"
11 Cycles
Built in heater
RPM- 800/1000/1200
Under counter or stackable
$697


Post# 45529 , Reply# 8   9/21/2004 at 14:19 (7,091 days old) by Tecnopolis (Ocala/Dunnellon, Florida 34481)        

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Looks like they are just rebadged Eurotech units.
I've trid posting pictures here on 2 diffrent occaisons and couldn't do it. I would post it if someone can tell me how to.
-Alex


Post# 45546 , Reply# 9   9/21/2004 at 19:59 (7,091 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

No one has posted any pictures yet nor is there any information on the Whirlpool US website, but I seriously doubt that Whirlpool would rebadge Eurotech units for the US market when Whirlpool owns factories in Europe and sells these machines in Europe and other parts of the world under its own name. The Duet and Hettie is sourced from a Whirlpool owned factory I am sure they could do the same for smaller units.

Whirlpools Euro front loaders are much better units than Eurotech machines.


Post# 45570 , Reply# 10   9/22/2004 at 05:44 (7,091 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Whirlpool compact front loaders

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The Whirlpool front loaders look a lot like the Creda line made in Italy.I am not sure but Creda may be owned or a susidiary of Phillips who is owned by Whirlpool.The Credas are not that dependable----at least the older models weren't.They may have improved them.They are very attractive though and a 1200rpm spin is ok in my book.

Post# 45572 , Reply# 11   9/22/2004 at 06:18 (7,091 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Philips vs Whirlpool vs Creda

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Philips (not Phillips) is not owned by Whirlpool. Philips only sold their white goods segment to Whirlpool. Creda has nothing to do with Philips and/or Whirlpool, IIRC Creda is owned by GE. I really would like to see a picture of those Whirlpool machines.

Post# 45575 , Reply# 12   9/22/2004 at 08:13 (7,090 days old) by Christd1 ()        
Whirlpool 24

This product is made by Merloni in Italy.

Post# 45585 , Reply# 13   9/22/2004 at 14:05 (7,090 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Whirlpool European Washers

Whirlpool products have nothing to do with Merloni at all. Whirlpools are made either in Italy or Germany (depending on the model - the 6th Sense models are made in Germany). Over here in the UK they have a 53l drum - which is referred to either as a 5 or 6kg capacity. 7kg is asking too much of it though if you ask me, lol!

Creda and Whirlpool have never been the same product, never have and never will. Creda used to be part of the GEC group, however now they alongside with Hotpoint are now made/owned by Merloni (aka Ariston/Indehit). Believe me, if Whirlpools were Creda, either Creda would be worth considering, or Whirlpools wouldn't even be worth taking one glance at...

Here's a link to a 6th Sense Whirlpool washer currently sold in the UK...

www.whirlpool.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...

Whilst, on the other hand, this is a base model with a dial interface:

www.whirlpool.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...

Hope this clears up any confusion :-D

Take care guys,

Jon (aka surgilatoruk)


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Post# 45591 , Reply# 14   9/22/2004 at 15:28 (7,090 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The one in the second link looks very similar to the Whirlpool at Lowe's. It has the little round door at the lower right to access the coin trap, a cycle selection dial on the right, and a spin speed dial kind of in the middle with a few buttons to the left of the spin speed control.

If someone doesn't post a picture first, I'll try to get one the next time I'm at a Lowe's . . but I can't say when that might be.


Post# 45624 , Reply# 15   9/23/2004 at 00:46 (7,090 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Does it look anything like this?

Post# 45629 , Reply# 16   9/23/2004 at 08:08 (7,089 days old) by Christd1 ()        
Picture

No, console is different, dispenser drawer handle/access is hidden by a flip up handle, different door style and pump access hole is square.

Post# 45631 , Reply# 17   9/23/2004 at 09:04 (7,089 days old) by christd1 ()        
surgilatoruk

As I said, these are made by Merloni. These are rebadged Eurotech units (which are Merloni). Here is a site that should clear up any confusion....









Laundry Care Systems

Time. Money. Natural resources. Today's world demands maximum conservation. In Europe, it's built into products from automobiles to zippers. And now, from the Merloni Manufacturing Group-one of Europe's largest appliance manufacturers-comes a new line of conservation-minded washers and dryers designed specifically for Americans. A line that provides the same money savings and energy and water efficiency Europeans have demanded for years. With sleek European styling. Large capacity stainless steel tanks. Quiet operation. Plus the user-friendly controls you want. All without depleting the environment - or your pocketbook. Introducing the washers and dryers America has been waiting for: Eurotech.






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Post# 45634 , Reply# 18   9/23/2004 at 11:20 (7,089 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Christd1

If the Whirlpool Euro-sized FL sold in America is the same as the models sold over here, then they are made by the European division of Whirlpool, not Merloni. Merloni machines are completely different to the Whirlpool washers and dryers. Machines from both Merlonis (either the one that makes Servis/Eurotech or the one that makes Indesit/Ariston/Hotpoint) aren't even worth considering. Whirlpool washers and dryers account for a fair amount of our sales in the shop that I work in, and they are made by Whirlpool themselves. Those Eurotech's are sold as Servis over here in the UK, and are completely different to the Whirlpool washers and dryers.

But, even though it seems silly to me, perhaps Whirlpool are rebadging Eurotech units to sell on the US market rather than using some of their own products that are manufactured in Europe? If the Whirlpool Euro sized washer looks nothing like the pictures posted of Euro Whirlpool washers, then who knows...

Jon


Post# 45637 , Reply# 19   9/23/2004 at 13:03 (7,089 days old) by christd1 ()        
Lowe's circular

Here is a good pic...



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Post# 45651 , Reply# 20   9/23/2004 at 18:25 (7,089 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
I am shocked.

I am so shocked at your pictures!

What on earth is Whirlpool thinking?

It own numerous factories in Europe that produce decent quality machines (including the Duet). It would be so easy to make the small adjustment needed and send a container load of washing machines to the US.

Instead they have to go through all the business of contracting out to a third party supplier.

I would be very dissappointed it I was state side.

Whirlpool offers quite a range of front loaders in the Australian market which probably outsell there top loading range.


Post# 45684 , Reply# 21   9/24/2004 at 02:48 (7,089 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Flabbergasted!!!!!

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I am totally flabbergasted!!! What on earth is Whirlpool thinking!!! They sell their relatively good frontloaders all over the world and now they buy the worst from one of their competitors to sell on the American market. And what a price they are asking for it, overhere in Holland we wouldn't pay more than $350.- for that washer. And believe me it's not even worth that kind of money. Overhere I have read some statements that Whirlpool still sold washers that were quite reliable. I guess that time has come to an end now!

Post# 45691 , Reply# 22   9/24/2004 at 07:42 (7,089 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
I can't see the pictures...

Is there supposed to be a picture in Christd1's post? I can't see it....

But I agree with Louis and arroooh, it's stupid of Whirlpool to rebadge the worst washing machine sold on the European market... I'd hate to see what it'd do to Whirlpool's good reputation.

Jon


Post# 45743 , Reply# 23   9/25/2004 at 15:44 (7,087 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I went to bLowe's today to check it out. the pair look soooo tiny. I am not impressed with the simply dial your programme knob, just like on the Bosch Nexxt, and the instruction book had been removed. :-( Didn't even see any indicator lights to let you see where in the cycle it is. And how much time is remaining.

Post# 45772 , Reply# 24   9/26/2004 at 03:59 (7,087 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Bob,

Overhere in the Netherlands their 230V equivalents sell for around $400.- and for that price you can't expect they have a lot of fancy features. Good that you're not impressed by these machines so I won't have to talk you out of purchasing one LOL.

Louis


Post# 45780 , Reply# 25   9/26/2004 at 11:04 (7,086 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Stopped at our local Lowes yesterday, went back to appliances (as usual) to see if these were here yet. There weren't any on the floor and I only got a blank stare when I asked the salesperson working the department - as usual, I get that a lot when I ask questions in appliance departments...

Post# 45789 , Reply# 26   9/26/2004 at 13:51 (7,086 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Not to worry Luigi. Ultimately I still want my Hetties and will be getting a Frigidaire FLer from steve 1-18 in the next 6 months or so when they are able to get out here.

Post# 45850 , Reply# 27   9/26/2004 at 23:05 (7,086 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

I wonder if anyone has purchased one on this site or over in THS forum?

I would be interested in how it does perform.

Im still disgusted with Whirlpool though.


Post# 45861 , Reply# 28   9/27/2004 at 02:18 (7,086 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Bob, wonderful you are getting a frontloader. Ofcourse we expect a full report of doing Bob loads in it!

Post# 45880 , Reply# 29   9/27/2004 at 09:26 (7,085 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I like the look and feel of this new little WP washer than I do the Danby over at Home Depot...

-ph


Post# 46131 , Reply# 30   10/1/2004 at 16:34 (7,081 days old) by Jafrogg ()        
I bought it

Hi Folks,

I wish I'd read this forum before I bought this washer.

I also bought the matching dryer. Lowe's delivered them today.

I thought these machines were the answers to my laundry prayers. I really need the compact size, and I wanted the front-loader quality.

In short, they are DREADFUL. I have already called Lowe's and told them to take them back. The washer just plain doesn't work: it vibrates as if it's going to explode and leaves the clothes soaking wet. I assume this particular machine is defective. But the dryer is also disappointing - it's very noisy.

I'd rather have my 20-year-old Kenmore back.

Jeanne



Post# 46147 , Reply# 31   10/1/2004 at 20:26 (7,081 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Shipping Bolts?

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Are you sure these machines were properly installed? Perhaps the shipping bolts were not removed from the washer resulting in poor extraction performance. Front Load machines also need to be firmly levelled or vibration can be the result.

Give them a chance. Both Lowes and Whirlpool. There aren't that many other options out there at this price point for Front Loaders.

MRB


Post# 46159 , Reply# 32   10/1/2004 at 22:10 (7,081 days old) by Brent-Aucoin ()        
Very interesing about your purchase.

Keep us up to date about what you find out.
They are so attractive.
I hope things work out for you.
Brent


Post# 46168 , Reply# 33   10/2/2004 at 07:20 (7,081 days old) by Jafrogg ()        
Compact Whirlpool Front-Loaders

Hey Folks,

Yes, the bolts were removed and the machines were level. It's possible that they weren't properly set up in some other way - the delivery men had never seen these models before. I think though that there's something wrong with the washer, that it's a defective machine, and that a new one probably would work better. If the dryer were better, I might let Lowe's come out and replace the washer and see how that goes.

But I was also displeased with the dryer - just the motor noise was fairly loud for a $500 dryer. And these machines are in the bathroom on the floor where we sleep. We need them to be quieter than standard top-loaders, not louder. For $1200 (the washer cost $700) they ought to be.

In addition, despite the salesman's assurances that a 2.9 foot cubic capacity in the washer was the equivalent of a larger top loader with agitator, it really is quite small when you try to work with it. And I do believe it may be more like 2 cubic feet. Again, I could accept that if the machines were up to standards in other ways, but they're not.

I think probably I'm going to have to cope with larger top-loader machines taking up too much room in my bathroom. I'm tempted to try the Bosch compact front-loaders, or Asko, but they are very expensive and some reviewers suggest the washers are noisy. I really expected the front-loaders, even small ones, to be quiet. My parents' full-size Kenmore front-loaders are whisper quiet, both washer and dryer. Alas, full-size front-loaders are too deep for the space I have.

If anyone has any other suggestions for me, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks,

Jeanne



Post# 46169 , Reply# 34   10/2/2004 at 08:00 (7,080 days old) by programcomputer (Ann Arbor Michigan, USA)        
I just saw these dreadful things myself.....

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Oh god.......

So I just was offered a job at Lowes near my house and I was thankfully put in their appliance department. After meeting my new associates, I went around to all the different machines and pointed out what i knew. Many of my new associates were happy that they weren't going to have to train a complete idiot, and were quite amazed at my knowledge.

These little Paulines were sitting at the very end of the main row up on a stand, so they were a bit taller than what you see in the picture above. GOD they almost seem that they are being made NOT by Whirlpool, but by Suzi Homemaker. Their SOOOOOO very tiny, smaller tub than any other front loader i have ever seen. The dryer has a stailess steel drum, which I found to be quite different from the mainstream.

They definitly will be a dissappointment to Whirlpool I feel in the respect that NO one, will buy them , let's say next to a full size FL set, unless as Jeanne said, space is a definite constraint, and the size is a nescesary and unrelenting requirement. I just question it's working load capacity, and if it can keep up with the laundry piles created by most families.

And most importantly...they will fail purely on objective grounds, expecially if they operate full time, in such absolutly poor sympatico. Causing consumer dislike, and bad news rarely speads slowly.

I know that back in the late 1990's when I got my set of Westinghouse Space Mates, everyone in my family thought I was just plain nuts. But I knew that they were based on a design that had been built since 1956.

It was in that that I took comfort. But now, becasue of that set that I took the chance on so many years ago, that not only have I purchased a new Frigidaire set, but five people in my family have also purchased Frigidaires, or the Kenmore equivalent. These same fools, that said I was nuts, now enjoy the benifits of front load washing.

It's really too bad that your having such travails with your new washer and dryer. But If I understand their policy, if you have had them less than thirty days, they will come and get them.

I would in my opinion try another Whirlpool FL washer, with the STRICT instructions made by you, that if another one comes in and it's still bad like described....that you can return the entire set for a refund, or in trade for a different set.

Like I said earlier, time will tell about these little Paulines and if their going to fly or not. And with Whirlpool just announcing that they are discontinuing their repair parts buisness, and these new Edsel's. Whirlpool will find themselves going the way of Maytag, and may not be long for this world..


Chad


Post# 46179 , Reply# 35   10/2/2004 at 11:44 (7,080 days old) by westytoploader ()        

"...And with Whirlpool just announcing that they are discontinuing their repair parts buisness, and these new Edsel's. Whirlpool will find themselves going the way of Maytag, and may not be long for this world..."

Are they no longer making replacement parts for BD and DD washers??

Yes, Maytag seems to be going down the tube as well (last manufacturer I thought that would introduce a plastic tub); hang onto your "bulletproof" Maytags now!!

--Austin


Post# 46181 , Reply# 36   10/2/2004 at 12:03 (7,080 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Don't know if they are your thing, but Maytag has a new compact washer and dryer (built by Samsung).

Have listed the information under another thread "Maytag Compact Washers/Dryers Specs and Information".

Here is a link for more information.

Launderess


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Post# 46201 , Reply# 37   10/2/2004 at 20:57 (7,080 days old) by petebldg9 ()        
Try Bosch!

Jeanne,

I own a set of compact Bosch Axxis+ models and would highly recommend them. They are two years old. The washer is very quiet, but the dryer is somewhat noisy (you can hear the airflow and reversing drum direction). Still, it is no worse than some other dryers. My set is located in a laundry closet off of my livingroom - and there is nothing at all offensive about the dryer's noise when the closet door is closed.

If I were you, I'd spend the extra cash to get the quality.

The washer drum is about 1.9 cubic feet, but holds the same amount of laundry as my 1993 GE filter flo standard capacity model. A good rule of thumb is to load it VERY LOOSELY to the glass door. When the load is wet, it compacts to 1/2 the size, and there is plenty of room for tumbling. It's absolutely packed with features, provides vigorous action, and is very gentle on fabric.

The dryer is also loaded with features. As with the washer, its very gentle on fabric. It uses only enough heat to dry the type of fabric you've selected, and uses extended cool downs and tumbling.

One nice feature is that it allows you to pre-set all options as soon as you buy the pair. Your favorite customized cycle is only a push button away thereafter.

If you have any questions about the pair, please let me know.

Pete


Post# 46260 , Reply# 38   10/4/2004 at 08:20 (7,078 days old) by christd1 ()        
Depth constraints

petebldg9- I believe that there is a depth constraint and the Bosch units are the deepest product I have seen. The dryer is huge.
Jafrogg- have you looked at the depth on the Frigidaire product? I know that my Lowes just marked these down to $549 ($599 w/ ATC) and the pedestals were on clearance for like $56.


Post# 46267 , Reply# 39   10/4/2004 at 11:02 (7,078 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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And what about the cheapest LG line? They look very nice to me.

Post# 46281 , Reply# 40   10/4/2004 at 16:03 (7,078 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Chris: Pete posted about the Aaxis washer & dryer; these are the smaller ones. I think you are referring to the Nexxt models which are much larger.

Pete: I also have 1.7 cubic foot FL washers (Miele and Kenmore) and I can fit into 1 the same amount of laundry that used to fit into my large capacity Maytag. It's going to take a while for Americans to get used to smaller looking washers that can wash as much as toploaders. 2 full sets of queen sheets and 8 pillow cases fit with ease, as does a load of 6-8 thick Charisma bathtowels.

Jafrogg: All FL's will transmit vibrations to a non-cement floor. Both my Miele and my Kenmore can be felt in all rooms of my 1300 square foot ranch home when they go into spin. Neither shake raucously, but they do vibrate more or less depending on how the load balances out.


Post# 46287 , Reply# 41   10/4/2004 at 17:30 (7,078 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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IIRC, the Danby unit everyone over on THS seems to be raving about is 1.7 cu/ft, which is the same as many of the older Miele models. What is interesting is the Danby will heat water to boil wash temps on 120v. Will take two hours to complete a cotton cycle on 200F, but it will heat that water.

Problem I have with both Danby and LG is their repair network isn't quite there yet. At least the Maytag/Samsung model and probably the Whirlpool have good in house repair/tech support.

Launderess



Post# 46354 , Reply# 42   10/5/2004 at 21:05 (7,077 days old) by petebldg9 ()        

PeterH770 and Jeanne:

Yes, my Bosch Axxis machines are the compact ones. I just measured them, and the cabinets are the same size: about 23" wide and 22" deep. I left 8" of space behind them for hose connections. I have the vented dryer model, which has an exhaust cap in the rear, and on either side. You simply vent from the opening you prefer. I believe a condenser model is available too. Again, I'm very pleased with them. The wash and dry quality is excellent, yet they are gentle on fabric. I can tell because the tags in my clothes look brand new.

Pete


Post# 46379 , Reply# 43   10/6/2004 at 02:22 (7,077 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
WP parts discontinuance

I don't get it, so does this mean that if you buy a WP product and it breaks, that there'll be no parts to fix it? That doesn't seem to make sense.

Post# 46912 , Reply# 44   10/13/2004 at 18:48 (7,069 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Whirlpool Front-loaders

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Today I went to Lowes for the 1st time - Very much like home depot Only Nicer. I saw the New Whirlpool. Actually like was stated the control panel was made rather cheap. I was somewhat impressed with the interior. I thought it was a little bigger than my former Equator combo. I did like the fact it has 4 vanes in the tub instead of the 3 that most fl have. I actually think that the tub size is only a little smaller than the fridgmore. I don't think Whirlpool makes this washer. I am going to try to attach a link fron fjs distributers. This is basically the same machine as what others are passing off as a combo. The only difference on the Whirlpool is that the dry control is a spin speed selector. What I don't like about this machine is that you cannot set the temp. I am also sure I have saw this washer passed off as other brands before. So my full assumption is that Whirlpool doesn't realy make it - they are using the name to get it to sell. (I could however be wrong)
Peter


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Post# 46915 , Reply# 45   10/13/2004 at 19:08 (7,069 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
New Whirlpool Front-loaders

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Here is another link that indicates this machine is being used in a few places. I still don't think it is realy a Whirlpool.
even in Europe.
Peter


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Post# 47004 , Reply# 46   10/14/2004 at 20:40 (7,068 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Its not a Whirlpool

And that is why we are all so dissappointed.

Its made by Antonio Merloni, makers of the worst washing machines, including Eurotech and Servis in the UK.

Whirlpool really has missed an opportunity here. Its own Euro made FL's are well built and reliable, though not Mieles of course.

The door handles and controls are nice and operate smoothly and dont fall of when you open them!

And with similar styling to the Duets, they really could of marketed the machine as a mini Duet.

He is a sample of what they could of offered.


Post# 47198 , Reply# 47   10/17/2004 at 04:32 (7,066 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
re, pics by jeanne

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Iam shocked and horified that whirlpool are marketing these substandard machines as their own in the USA. They are in fact made by servis ( think they have machines under the name maber in th US). Servis machines used to have an exelent reputation in the uk until the late 90's whwn they were bought over by an italian co and now are the cheapest of cheap machines in the uk. All to often these days companys are selling off sub standard washers to rival companies in order to make a profit. I live in a rented flat and have the misfourtune to be in posetion of a sevris combo ( maber in US) it is a dreadful machine which leaks, has poor wash performance and takes nearly over 4hrs to wash and dry 2.5kgs of laundry. I would urge people NOT to buy the whirlpool models as pictured in Jeannes msg. Whirlpool do make their own laundry systems for sale in europe which usually have dial in front of control panel, if u must buy one of those

Post# 47226 , Reply# 48   10/17/2004 at 15:03 (7,065 days old) by westytoploader ()        

I was at Lowe's yesterday and saw the "Little Whirlpools". YUK! They appear very cheaply made. The wash tub was stiff with short vanes and an inconvenient-to-open detergent dispenser, the dryer was equivalent to a BOL dryer (no advanced cycle options) with a small drum, and above all, both the washer and dryer's door handles felt like they were going to break off in my hand.

Whirlpool should have known better; they won't sell any of these. The Danby machines at Home Depot felt much better made, and they have a better price as well.

--Austin


Post# 48096 , Reply# 49   10/29/2004 at 09:52 (7,053 days old) by Abarnes ()        
Vibrating front loader

I have a Kenmore front loader (bought in 2000) and as Jafrogg mentioned above, it vibrates the floors of the house. My concern is that it is loosening the floor joists, thus making them weaker. Am I just being paranoid or is it a real concern and what can be done about it? Do the platforms available for front loaders help with the vibration?

Post# 48105 , Reply# 50   10/29/2004 at 12:32 (7,053 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

My house is almost a hundred years old and the floors and joists are (petrified) yellow pine. The washer and dryer are in the kitchen. Where the washer sits the floor also dips about 1/4 in. over a 2 1/2 ft. area so the legs on one side of the machine are all the way in and the other legs are extended about a 1/4 in.! Needless to say I have all kinds of issues with the floor! My "Frigimore"(on its highest spin speed) shakes the whole house with high speed vibrations running through the floor especially to the living-room --three rooms away! The 1968 Maytag #806, and Speed Queen set up a pretty good vibration also, but all of them are held in check by their rubber feet. The 1-18 reacts differently--it is so light when empty of water, and comes with hard nylon legs and feet, without rubber feet added (Maytag rubber feet fit perfectly)it wants to vibrate and walk. Full of water and clothes adds much weight as 1-18's are big water hogs---then when the pulsation statrts the WHOLE kitchen floor goes up and down with the pulsator! Quite a ride if one is sitting at the kitchen table! The lamp shades in the living room move in unison with the pulsator! In the spin it is no different than the others. With the '56 "Unimatic" in place the floor does the same thing when it pulsates as the 1-18 but because the spin speed is so fast (and the vibration frequency is such a rapid motion)you can't even feel it! So I guess you could say I have shared some of your thoughts on the floor getting weak! I have been here about 12 years and I have noticed a slight difference in the floor over the last few years---however---this old yellow pine is so tough it almost takes a pneumatic nail gun to get a nail in to it--forget getting an old nail out! I think the joists must be all right. I would be afraid to add a pedestal or any thing that would weaken the platform the washer stands on--even in my case I could not use the really nice "cushy" vinyl flooring when remodeling my kitchen because it would allow the washer to move too much! Good luck! -Steve

Post# 48110 , Reply# 51   10/29/2004 at 13:36 (7,053 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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My 50 year old house has vibrated with any front loader that I have had connected in the last 12 years. Currently, my Miele gives the house a soothing "thrummmmmmmmm" when it goes into its 1200 rpm spin.

Post# 48172 , Reply# 52   10/30/2004 at 05:18 (7,053 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Oh dear

Just read through this thread from top to bottom and was dying to see this machine that has been well and truly slated on here. And there is is, a wolf in sheeps clothing. Its a Servis rebranded as a Whirlpool. What a dirty piece of deception by Whirlpool to try and pass this awful white box off as a quality product. Living in the UK and being used to seeing Servis machines polluting the appliance departments I could have picked this trash out with just a small picture of the door handle and the dial on the dryer. SHAME ON YOU WHIRLPOOL

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Post# 48223 , Reply# 53   10/31/2004 at 05:58 (7,052 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Whirlpool's Blunder

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I was just down in DC with Jeff and John L and they both gave me the skinny on this machine. It is even worse! W_pool is dumping this machine on the market to keep market share for a year as they are currently develolping their own version to introduce next year! So all these consumers this year who buy this machine will be left behind next year when W-pool gets their own machine to market!

Can anyone tell me a better way to beat up on your customers???

jet


Post# 48241 , Reply# 54   10/31/2004 at 09:55 (7,051 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Personally I think this is not their first blunder. The Calypso is another one. All washers, frontloader or toploader, let the clothes tumble or rollover freely, except for the Calypso. A horrible design in my opinion.

Post# 48894 , Reply# 55   11/9/2004 at 10:29 (7,042 days old) by Medrivewild ()        
Stop shopping by price

The american public makes me sick. You continue to shop by price. Let go of a few extra hard earned bucks and be happy. You bitch because we are sending jobs oversea's but refuse to pay more for american products. Look at how petty you have become. Of course Maytag, Whirlpool, and the others cannot make a dime here. Outsourcing is the only way to make your little wallets happy. Everyone complains that nothing is made the way it was in the old days. Look at the wage you made then compaired to now...if product followed, a Maytag would cost a couple grand. With the cost of labor and parts, retail prices eroding, they have to produce junk, outsource, or file chapter 11. When you get your sunday paper this week, look at all the fliers front page. They are loaded with ad leaders...meaning, most everything is sold below cost just to get your fat wallets in their door. The buyers of these companies are not looking to buy quality product, but the cheapest stuff they can get thier hands on. You demand lower prices, they scour the world to find it for you. Look at the brands, most you have never heard of and wont 10 years from now.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Lets teach our kids common sense, not selfishness and greed.


Post# 48897 , Reply# 56   11/9/2004 at 10:48 (7,042 days old) by fixerman ()        
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

I second your emotions. Great post. Thanks.

Post# 48941 , Reply# 57   11/9/2004 at 18:57 (7,042 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Appliance pricing

Lighten Up! I don't think the public is fully to blame--Corporate greed is also to blame-and pleasing the "stockholders" is another-to heck with the consumer.Remember with some of the jobs offered to people to work these days-the "union" scale wages are gone.-Same with the paid healthcare and retirements.At how some machines are priced-its no wonder I see more of a croud at the laundramat not too far from my house. At the prices of the Seimens or LG Washer-dryer pair(TOL models) it would be cheaper to take your clothes to the laundramat.At Home Depot the other day I saw a John Deere Lawn tractor for $4500.For that price it would be cheaper for me to have a lawn service do my lawn.If the appliance makers and other equipment makers aren't more careful in their pricing--people will do just that-they will "outsource" their lawn work or laundry to someone else to do.Thats the big reason I now buy "vintage" appliances and even lwan care equipment-not just as a collector-but as a "user"You get the better quality for less money.At this point in my above examples-my vintage Snapper mower and WP washer are doing great and I will shop vintage at this stage.

Post# 49030 , Reply# 58   11/11/2004 at 11:10 (7,040 days old) by christd1 ()        
Whirlpool and America

To tie the two subjects together, the new Whirlpool machine that they are launchin next year a the $699 price point, will be made in Mexico and is supposed to be a miny version of the Duet.
I agree with Medrivewild, tolivac. It is sooo easy for people to blame "corporate greed" for everything. The fact is that corporations work for their shareholders who invest in companies TO MAKE MONEY. Do you take your money and plop it into any old stock of an American company that employs thousands of people and just feel good about contributing your cash to help the cause of the American worker or do you expect a return? The values of this country are going to hell because everyone wants a hand out and then they want more, more, more regardless of their actions.
Take a look at side by side refrigerators and what has happened with that employee base and the market. GE moves to Mexico when their labor costs get too high to compete in the market place. This pushes down their costs below the competition. The competition looks at sourcing alternatives of components, labor efficiencies and relocation options (the money has to come from some where either labor or components).
Competition looks at low cost country sourcing, does a competitive threat negotiation with current U.S. supplier but they can not meet the price. When exploring the labor efficiencies the competition is working in a union environment (Frigidaire in Michigan, Maytag in IL, Amana in IA, Whirlpool in IN) where the employees frown on cutting people because that reduces the flow of dues to the union and costs people jobs (what people don't get is that we have too lose some jobs to keep the majority). Finally after component costs are reduced (but not enough) and labor is better but not even close to GE AND on top of that the price of side by sides dwindles down to 899...799....699.....599 AND other competitors are moving or have moved what else do you do to still provide a return to the shareholders??
Now you will see laundry appliances do the same thing. LG in Korea soon to be in Mexico, Whirlpool starting up in Mexico, GE already has Mexican operations, Maytag sourcing from Samsung in Mexico.
So where does it stop?


Post# 49039 , Reply# 59   11/11/2004 at 15:49 (7,040 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Major appliances are just the latest industry suffering the "trickle down" effect that started quite a while back with countertop appliances:computers; microwave ovens etc. I think sometimes we Americans shoot ourselves in the foot. EVERYONE want benefits with employment, which drives up the cost, but we don't want to pay on the outgoing side for goods and services. It only a matter of time before all appliance companies will employ overseas labor. Maytag says they cannot make a profit on a top mount refrigerator, so they are sourcing from Sanyo or Samsung. I also think that Samsung has purchased Maytag. They are/were ripe for a takeover anyway. Things are out of control. The price of repair parts should be less, and the cost of a new appliance should be more. But big box retailers rule the roost, and they give white goods away!

Post# 49045 , Reply# 60   11/11/2004 at 19:27 (7,040 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
appliance mess

After reading all the entries on this matter-both consumers and appliance builders are getting caught in the middle-the consumer wants reasonable prices-a durable made is USA product--the manufactuerers want to make a reasonable profit to benefit themselves(their employees gotta eat and buy appliances too!)and make their stockholders happy.At this point some have pointed out that appliances are "given away" by the biig box stores-They sell them as "loss leaders" as I have heard it called-they sell those at a lower profit margin-but sell more of them to make up for it.For instance-Dyson vacuum cleaners-the Dyson company strictly controls the pricing the seller can put on the machine-You VERY SELDOM see them put on sale.Yet other vacuum builders are more free to the seller on pricing of the machine-DTD machines especially-the salesman can sell at whatever price to close the sale.Some customers may agree to the full price(usually after a long exhousting demo)or they talk you down--and succeeed to close the sale.I see this with Kirby,TriStar,Rainbow,Filter Queen-but not with Dyson.And its sort of interesting-do you think the factory employee in Malasia building the Dyson really puts any pride into a product he or she MAY NEVER own?Something to think about.The factory employee that builds Kirbys,Filter Queens,Rainbows,TriStars at least has a chance to buy and own the machine he is building.Hope this is other food for thought.

Post# 49048 , Reply# 61   11/11/2004 at 21:01 (7,040 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Samsung and Maytag

Royal:-the vac company most of us know-was bought up by a company based in Taiwain:-TechCom I beleive it is.Now all of their machines will be made there-including "Dirt Devil"They are going to make Dirt Devil appeal to a more upscale cleintele.I have a few new Royals-and the last made in US.The other new ones are marked "Plant Y" means made in Taiwain.Their workmanship is excellent though.I have two "powercast" models and an "Everlast" model that was built at "plant Y"

Post# 49157 , Reply# 62   11/14/2004 at 11:15 (7,037 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
Whirlpool not a whirlpool ?

My sister is thinking about purchasing a smaller Kenmore Frontloader.....Is this not made by whirlpool ? should she wait a year ? She does not want the larger Elite or duets....for the life of me I dont know why. GO FOR THE GUSTO !

Post# 49162 , Reply# 63   11/14/2004 at 14:36 (7,037 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado)        
finally saw one

I was at bLowes on friday and they did not have the little whirlpool front load, went again this am and they had the little washer there (no drya' yet). So this things been on the sales floor for, like, less that 2 days and the detergent dispenser door is already busted! Sad thing is they can probably sell a ton of those machines here as there are a billion condos in Kihei and out the west side that were built with tiny laundry closets and a 24" front loader would be perfect-the only other choice here is the whirlpool thin twin, which is a decent machine has a capacity like my Swoosie Homemaker....
I woulda liked to go out to the Home Despot, but can only handle 1 horrible big-box store per day, so I don't know if we have Danbys here yet


Post# 49196 , Reply# 64   11/15/2004 at 08:08 (7,036 days old) by christd1 ()        
Smaller Kenmore Washer

jmirawm- The smaller Kenmore frontloaders are made by Electrolux (Frigidaire). They are made in Iowa and have been around since 1996. I have owned one for 5 years and love it. Its a great machine at the right price to step out of a top loader.

Post# 49481 , Reply# 65   11/18/2004 at 23:40 (7,033 days old) by HQOTS ()        

Those silly things are made by merloni. Very simple machines. Lowes has the exclusive for 6 months. In 6 to 12 months these machines are going to be replaced with real WPL built machines.



Post# 50010 , Reply# 66   11/27/2004 at 21:12 (7,024 days old) by Lokimonkey ()        

I was interested in the whirlpool LHW0050 because it was the most energy efficient machine on the 'energy star list'. I was horrified on coming to the USA and finding these water guzzling top loaders that eat clothes! If the LHW0050 is not good could can anyone offer an alternative that is well made and not too expensive?

Post# 51621 , Reply# 67   12/22/2004 at 20:53 (6,999 days old) by Linda ()        
Lowe's isn't exclusive...

Lowe's does NOT have the exclusive rights to this washer, as I bought one at American TV & Applicance today (I'm in Wisconsin). I bought it for the SUPERB EnergyStar rating, and because it's small. There are just two of us, and one of the biggest reasons for vibration and noise in the front-loaders is loads that are not full. We should be better able to fill a smaller basket -- we don't even *own* 32 bath towels to fill a load on, say, a Kenmore HE4t!

Post# 51678 , Reply# 68   12/24/2004 at 00:52 (6,998 days old) by designgeek ()        

Linda, re. "loads that are not full...." I have a Really Dumb Question.

Are you saying that a proper full load is 100% of the volume of the drum, uncompressed?

When I've used FLs in laundromats (I don't own one, though when I buy a house I'll get one), I've always used a large one and loaded it to about 2/3 full with dry uncompressed laundry. The load compresses to about 1/2 full when it's wet, and doesn't vibrate excessively during spin cycles.

My reasoning is that at 50% full when wet, there's better mixing action, similar to mixing concrete in a portable electric mixer. The clothes get lifted and dropped into the water repeatedly, and get some rubbing/scrubbing action against each other. The way I figured it, if the wet load were above the centerline of the drum, it would roll as a mass and the clothes at the center of the mass would get less relative movement.

Was I under-loading the machines?, or was my reasoning correct?

(If I had one I could guinea-pig test it under varying conditions to see what works, the goal being to maximize efficiency and minimize wear on the machine.)

Lokimonkey, what country did you come here from?, and what types of machines are in widest use there?

Re. recommendation on relatively inexpensive FLs, there's a Danby DWM 5500 W available at Home Depot (some of us jokingly call it Home Despot because big-box stores tend to put smaller locally owned stores out of business, reducing the degree of diversity in the market). It might also be available via other dealers if you look around a bit. The Danby unit is made in Eastern Europe and has gotten good reviews on some of the consumer opinion websites, along with the matching dryer. About $400 and $300 respectively, total $700 for the pair.

Danby also has a twin-tub for about $250 with a full-length agitator and 1600 rpm spin-dry compartment. This could be a viable solution for water/electricity efficiency without spending so much, though it does require manual intervention at various points in the cycle. Widely available on the internet, difficult to find in the stores.


Post# 51701 , Reply# 69   12/24/2004 at 10:43 (6,997 days old) by doityrselfguy ()        

designgeek,

With my FL, I've found the load type makes a difference. For lighter fabrics, like cotton/polyester dress shirts, you can loosely load the drum to 100%. For heavier (and typically dirtier) loads such as cotton t-shirts and jeans, filling loosely to 2/3 full works best - for washing results and smooth spinning. My two cents.


Post# 51745 , Reply# 70   12/25/2004 at 00:54 (6,997 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Looking at Jafrogg's Whirlpool photos, the dryer interior does look like my Malber TD700 and I can say that it is somewhat loud and the noise can be reduced if the dryer was vented to the outside.

There is only one thing I like to do with the washer?
I want to increase the water level!
The auto sensor just does not fill enough when doing large loads causing decrease performance in washing. It has a weird tumble pattern but I must say it does a good job of getting the clothes from the center to outer part of the tub that the clothes in the center does not get locked in that one spot not getting a chance to make it to the 4 & 8 o-clock position. But one thing I really like about this machine is the 1000 RPM spin speed that is used through out each rinse spin phase!

Now that's boss!


Post# 51746 , Reply# 71   12/25/2004 at 02:55 (6,997 days old) by designgeek ()        


doityrselfguy: Re. load characteristics: jeans, exactly, looks like we're convergent on the 2/3 loose rule. Thanks.



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