Thread Number: 85143  /  Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Lorain Furniture (Cleveland, Ohio) Maytag A806 restoration...
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Post# 1096539   11/9/2020 at 13:59 (1,256 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada)        

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but here goes. This is an amazing video of a complete restoration of a Maytag automatic (I'm pretty sure it's an A806). As many of you know, my focus for restoration work is 1930s Maytag wringer washers. These automatics are SO much more complicated!


Post# 1096561 , Reply# 1   11/9/2020 at 17:24 (1,256 days old) by Sudster ()        

That high speed video is all over the internet and while it is cute and funny, It aggravates me about 15 to 30 seconds into it. I don't believe it helps the novice washer mechanic at all. It does bring the usual attention to Lorain Furniture which inches you to their website. Once there I lasted about the same amount of time when I reviewed the TALK TO EUGENE section . Yes, Eugene will be happy to speak with the novice washer mechanic for 40 bucks per 20 minute prepaid telephone call, Paypal accepted.LOL- If you can restore a wringer and you believe the standard Maytag automatic washer is complicated ,I urge you to research more material posted here by the true masters.

And BTW--Was it necessary to Put Lorain's business in the title. You must be close friends or perhaps receiving payment

Let Combo John put his commercial here also. John runs a REAL repair business in Maryland, Yet I haven't seen him hawking his wares or business name in a washer HELP forum. Perhaps AW should charge for business advertising.

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Post# 1096577 , Reply# 2   11/9/2020 at 20:31 (1,256 days old) by bradross (New Westminster, BC., Canada)        
No affiliation to Lorrain Furniture & Appliance...

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Wow, Joseph, you apparently feel VERY strongly about this company and the subject.

Quote...And BTW--Was it necessary to Put Lorain's business in the title. You must be close friends or perhaps receiving payment

Anybody who knows me on this forum will think this to be a ridiculous assumption.

Post# 1096581 , Reply# 3   11/9/2020 at 21:00 (1,256 days old) by Sudster ()        

Then why not simply post this magic helper video without a name ,That would have sufficed. Why the name of the business and town?

Please excuse me for voicing my discontent at help forums being used for commercial gain.I see you slipped in the Lorain name yet again. I have problems with people seemingly trying to help while holding up a $$ sign . Have you seen this site? Do you agree with the 40 buck charge to SPEAK with this new genius in order to ASK or learn to fix an old washer ?? You are right,I go way back and feel strongly. Back when we volunteered and helped each other save old machines together--40 bucks INDEED!!!

I mean no insult to you personally ,But if one stands back and looks from afar, It looks like a Lorain billboard. I hope we can speak of better topics going forward--Joe

Post# 1096610 , Reply# 4   11/10/2020 at 04:12 (1,256 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Joseph, his profile name on this site is Lorrainefurniture.

What else would you refer to him as?

If heís found a new revenue stream to stay in business, more power to him. As appliances become more and more disposable and parts unavailable early, the need for appliance repairers reduces every year.

Iím not sure why you are so angry about him having found a way to keep his business viable in a changing market? If you donít like it, you donít need to purchase his services.

Post# 1096620 , Reply# 5   11/10/2020 at 06:01 (1,256 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Very enjoyable video. I just wish it was slowed down a bit.

Post# 1096623 , Reply# 6   11/10/2020 at 06:21 (1,256 days old) by scoots (Chattanooga TN)        
Thanks Brad...

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For posting this video. I'll watch it this evening when I have some "me time", but I will say that if the high speed play back is bothersome, I found it was pretty watchable at a playback speed of 0.25.


There's a gear in the lower right. Click it, and then there will be a menu option of "Playback speed" with a number of pre-selected speeds. Try the slowest speed (one quarter or .25).  The background music slows down too so you may want to mute that.


BTW, if the video had not been sped up, the running time would have been 2 hours....

Post# 1096626 , Reply# 7   11/10/2020 at 07:03 (1,256 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Great videos, Thanks for posting Brad, ideal to see for repairs and for posterity, and the fact fellow members helped out supplying vital tools to make the job easier is testament to this site.

The fast playback is great , you can PRESS PAUSE or go to the settings symbol on the bottom bar or three dots on top if on phone and SELECT PLAYBACK SPEED and SLOW it down to your own requirements win win ..!!

Great job Eugene, heres to many more !!

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Post# 1096627 , Reply# 8   11/10/2020 at 07:11 (1,256 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I enjoy watching Eugene's videos and have no problem with someone mentioning his business, Lorain Furniture & Appliance, located at 4617 Lorain Avenue in Cleveland, OH, 44102, in a thread on this website.

Quite honestly, I wouldn't be a bit upset if someone posted the phone number for Lorain Furniture & Appliance, (216-939-8718) or even the website address (

Eugene of Lorain Furniture & Appliance even has a fun line of washer-related T-shirts for sale. I purchased the "You're Agitating Me" shirt a couple of months ago, its witty tagline surprisingly appropriate for this post.

In addition to selling appliances, Eugene (of Lorain Furniture & Appliance located at 4617 Lorain Avenue in Cleveland, OH) sells parts for vintage machines, which has undoubtedly been helpful to members of the AW family.

I see no issue with Eugene--who owns & operates a business called Lorain Furniture & Appliance--charging whatever he chooses for a consultation.

Almost forgot: Check out Eugene's YouTube channel!

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if I lived anywhere near Beltsville, MD, I would buy appliances from John LeFever, who owns and operates Alco Appliance Sales & Service, located at 10101 Bacon Dr., Unit F,
in Beltsville, MD, 20705. Reach him by phone (301-937-6996) or e-mail (

There. My work here is done.😁


Post# 1096629 , Reply# 9   11/10/2020 at 07:42 (1,256 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
Slight drift about YouTube playback....

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Funny that several people have noted the speed at which Eugene's video plays back... I have a similar issue with a video I posted years ago about my kitchen renovation project at the house in Ogden.  Most people who view it complain about the speed at which it plays back - it did not and still does not play back that quickly when I run the raw version on my PC.  Very odd.... 

Post# 1096632 , Reply# 10   11/10/2020 at 08:13 (1,256 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
LOL Eugene.

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I've been to Johns business and museum a few times. It's jaw dropping.

Post# 1096633 , Reply# 11   11/10/2020 at 08:18 (1,256 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Thank you

I never claim to be a "master" of anything. Im just an enthuisiast just like the rest of you. However, I have a wife and 3 small children and am the sole financial provider. Yes, I do charge $40 for a phone consultation. When my Youtube channel grew in popularity, my phone started ringing non stop. So much that my local (paying) customers were getting the busy signal. These people were just calling to chat.

I was forced to put a paywall up so I could actually run my business.

My business consists of many facets. my primary is selling new/used appliances. I also have a website with a slight specialty of selling NLA hard to find parts. I have 2 Full time technicians doing in home service work. I only go on the road if its a "special" customer, or a vintage appliance repair. Lastly, I have the youtube part which is by far the most work, and the least profitable. I do it because I really like it. Just for the record I hae been running a REAL repair business for(MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE) 20 years. Im sure there are plenty of people on this site that probably forgot more than Ill ever know regarding appliances, but im not exactly new to this business.

I made that particular video for entertainment only. Most people wont sit through a 2-4 hour realtime assembly of an old washing machine. I try and make videos that garner interest in the hobby of vintage appliances to those who have never been exposed to it.

Aw members only get a discount on my website. Just use the coupon code "automatic" Nobody else gets a deal. And for those who find my wares on ebay, they know if they mention they are an AW member, I will typically accept any offer they submit. My goal is not to hoard appliances or parts, its to get them in the hands of the people that need them.

Post# 1096647 , Reply# 12   11/10/2020 at 09:22 (1,255 days old) by delturner (USA)        

There is a lot of animosity on this site for no apparent reason. So just consider the source...

Post# 1096649 , Reply# 13   11/10/2020 at 09:28 (1,255 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I do not see any issue here. I am absolutely 100% okay with the way Brad posted the title, if it helps out one of a our members who is in good standing (such as Eugene) on this site then great, glad we could help get traffic to them. That is completely different than someone who finds aw on google and joins to make one or two posts advertising their business and then goes away. I really don't understand why that makes any difference to anyone.

Post# 1096652 , Reply# 14   11/10/2020 at 10:21 (1,255 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawaiíi)        

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Iíve seen this video before and really enjoyed it! I appreciate Eugene creating it and saving so many wonderful machines.

Post# 1096663 , Reply# 15   11/10/2020 at 14:41 (1,255 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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I enjoy the videos of the Whirlpool and Kenmore belt drive washers you uploaded back in 2018. Those videos will certainly help me with my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII I acquired back in June of this year and Iíd venture to say it is in similar condition to the 1981 Whirlpool belt drive washer Eugene did a partial refurbish on.

Post# 1096668 , Reply# 16   11/10/2020 at 16:35 (1,255 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
Love Eugenes videos

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I had to laugh in watching the 806 rebuild video. The music made it seem like the Cavalry should be galloping up, to save the damsel washer in distress! Perhaps to untie it from the tracks, Before the locomotive ran it over. Send in the Mounties!

Post# 1096670 , Reply# 17   11/10/2020 at 16:49 (1,255 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I got a great deal on parts on EBay from Lorain Furniture. Thanks, Eugene!

Post# 1096682 , Reply# 18   11/10/2020 at 18:35 (1,255 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I enjoy Eugene's videos and have learned a lot from him that I've been able to apply in a couple of restorations that I've done.  I'm puzzled by Sudster's reply.  I found it incredibly mean spirited.  Thank you, Eugene, for the fantastic job you do with your site!

Post# 1096689 , Reply# 19   11/10/2020 at 19:50 (1,255 days old) by Mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Love Eugene's video's

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I've subscribed to Eugene's channel and really enjoy his videos.

Frankly, just like others have said here I don't see any issues at all with him trying to make a living with what he's doing.

Like many have done before, if you want to know how to fix your Maytag, buy a 2nd hand repair manual, the tools and have a go!


Post# 1096690 , Reply# 20   11/10/2020 at 20:33 (1,255 days old) by Sudster ()        
All Apologies

SPECIAL!!!!Everyone who visits and joins the AW website is now approved to post their business phone number and website at no charge. Be sure to upload full length video's of anything pertaining to appliance sales, new or used, repair, furniture and livestock. What an opportunity!! Join today.

Perhaps the early AW ideology has drastically changed, I give up--Goodbye!--Joe

Post# 1096691 , Reply# 21   11/10/2020 at 21:24 (1,255 days old) by sprog (Boston)        
Eugene Rocks!

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I've enjoyed and learned much from Eugene. Through this website, he has illustrated humor (love his soundtracks!) and insight. Live and let live.

Post# 1096724 , Reply# 22   11/11/2020 at 11:26 (1,254 days old) by Washoholic (San Antonio, TX)        
Good riddance Joe and thanks for the apology

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Itís funny to me how someone that has been a member for less than a month (Sudster member since 10/18/2020) is talking about early AW ideology and calling a member out for posting another members username.

Iíve been a member since 2005 and donít post here very much but I am on the site all the time reading posts, watching videos and I go to some of those wash-in events. I just want to say Eugene Iím subscribe to your channel and I love your videos and the way you speed up the fill on your videos.

Apparently no one has a problem except one random person that has not been a member for a month and has a since apologized, so take what they say with a grain of salt.

Keep it up Eugene youíre awesome!!

Jeff in Texas

Post# 1096725 , Reply# 23   11/11/2020 at 11:52 (1,254 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Greetings, Jeff.† :-)

Post# 1096734 , Reply# 24   11/11/2020 at 12:24 (1,254 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
On another recent thread .....

he mentioned this, as if he had been a previous member from long ago:

"It has been a long time since I was a member and have no intention of reliving my past."

But yeah Jeff, if this website causes him this much anger, I wonder what the real world does to him?! sad

Not saying this site isn't real world, but I come here to get away and involve myself with my hobby to wind down. I always have a good time here and love seeing what others are doing with their appliances. If they have parts or other resources available, that is just gravy and should be looked at as added help in this quirky hobby. More power to you if you just so happen to be making a living at it!

Bud - Atlanta

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Post# 1096737 , Reply# 25   11/11/2020 at 12:49 (1,254 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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I just made him (Joe) disappear.  Easy peasy.

Post# 1096749 , Reply# 26   11/11/2020 at 16:08 (1,254 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
I would like to say something here

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I may not be too experienced with washers or dryers nor would I call myself an expert. But for someone like Eugene that posts YouTube videos about reviews or repairs (Especially on the older machines) I think knows what they're doing. In fact, I was VERY impressed with the restoration video on the Maytag. I didn't think someone would look at and get everything working right on a washer unless if they are a collector like most people on here and probably Eugene himself. Unfortunately for my sister, she bought a used set from a appliance shop (Probably out of business already) which the seller cleaned up the outside of it really nicely but I'm pretty sure they've never bothered touching the inside of either machine. A few days later, one of the machines already had an issue and I remembered it was really difficult for the seller to come out and fix it up since it had like maybe a 7 or 30 day warranty, something like that. They just acted like they don't really stand behind their work. That's why I wouldn't want to buy a used set, but now that I think of this. I wouldn't hesitate to call either Eugene or someone that does as good of a job as Eugene to buy either a used SQ or a used Kenmore set if I needed to.

Anyways, thanks Eugene for making these awesome videos. I've definitely learned alot from you and you're one of the reasons why I'm looking into getting a SQ TC5 and DC5 for myself. Once in a while whenever I wouldn't have much going on, I would look at some of your other videos. So thanks again for your time and effort.

Post# 1096873 , Reply# 27   11/12/2020 at 14:48 (1,253 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))        

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Someday when I am in the Cleveland area I would love to visit Eugene's store. I also like watching his videos. Especially the ones when he uses old machines and old laundry detergents.

Post# 1096878 , Reply# 28   11/12/2020 at 16:10 (1,253 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra SeŮora de Los Angeles de Porciķncula)        


The reply #1 was extremely rude.

As far as I remember, I interacted directly with Eugene only once and I couldn't be happier. He was friendly and very helpful.

Just for fun, I've watched hundreds of hours of his videos.

And yes, he's a master. Of course there are people that knows more than him. nobody knows "everything". But he's a true master and I've never seen ANY mistake on his videos.

The high speed is interesting... sometimes I speed up videos that are "normal" speed to save my time. Other times I slow down fast speed videos if there's a more important detail that I want to watch. Deal with it and learn how to use youtube's speed control. Duh!

Charging for a phone consultation... WOW, how dare him do that? What comes next? People start complaining because he's charging to repair or restore their washers? Oh wait... how dare him charge money in exchange for a restored washer he has to sell (Please understand I'm being sarcastic I totally agree with him charging, that's HIS work, it has to be respected he's not doing anything wrong).

And if Lorraine Furniture was local, I'd LOVE to have Eugene taking a look in ALL my washers and dryers to keep them always in pristine conditions. Same with other 2 other AWO members that are also masters and have all my admiration and respect.

Post# 1096897 , Reply# 29   11/13/2020 at 00:04 (1,253 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        
Only 22 posts..........

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But a weird vibe on every one from what I saw. Who was he in a previous life here and was he just as weird?

Post# 1096902 , Reply# 30   11/13/2020 at 06:56 (1,253 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
AW Discount

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Eugene, I didnít realize you provided members on here a discount. Last year I needed a spin tube clutch assembly for one of my Kenmore washers and my eBay offer was declined so I purchased from someone else. I know for next time...

Post# 1096907 , Reply# 31   11/13/2020 at 08:31 (1,253 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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As others have mentioned, I have also purchased parts from Eugene and they have, quite literally, saved a machine or three from doom!


Post# 1096993 , Reply# 32   11/13/2020 at 21:59 (1,252 days old) by Paulwash (Niagara Falls New York)        
Lorain furniture

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Thought I would reach out to him about my Norge this past summer brother lived in that area and Iíve past it before.. I donít know the guy .. but whoever answered my phone call was extremely RUDE .. would not let me talk ?? Thank GOD FOR RICK he helped me get that Norge movin FOR FREE!! Why would anyone bother with him charges all that money 💰... way to much. This is a unique love of vintage machines and I would say the generous people on this site who go above and beyond helping and sharing the very beautiful stories ... who needs Lorain furniture.. I would not give him a second look 👀 very sad that he didnít even respond to me? Oh well I know I have lots of help here for free !! Happy holidays and stay safe to all of you I am forever grateful for this site from the days of me picking up empty detergent boxes on my big wheel at age 4 to listening to all my families washers I know I am not the only one with this love.

Post# 1097002 , Reply# 33   11/14/2020 at 06:03 (1,252 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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If  you're watching a video on YouTube, and you don't agree with the content, why would you continue to watch it?

Post# 1097075 , Reply# 34   11/14/2020 at 19:39 (1,251 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

When you call during business hours to chit chat about a 60 year old washing machine and donít even have a clear question to ask, yes , I get a bit short with people. Not to sound like a greedy capitalist but Iím at work to make money. When you called (more than once perhaps?) I was BUSY. Like real paying customers in the store and the phone is lit up like a Christmas tree. Pardon me while I try and make a living instead of hearing your life story.

Iím sorry if that comes off as being disrespectful, but itís you and 100 other people that call EVERY SINGLE DAY wanting to talk to me. I didnít tell you to fuck off, and I didnít hang up on you. I just kept on directing you to my website to schedule a consultation so I could speak with you during non business hours and maybe give you my undivided attention for a small $40 fee.

A lot of aw members call my shop all the time. Iím happy to speak with all of you. If you have a quick question and we can conclude our conversation in a few minutes thatís totally fine. If you have questions and you donít want to pay for a consultation then just say it upfront: something like : ď hey I have a few questions to ask you but donít need a consultation, are you busy ? If so, can I try you back later? Can I email you?Ē Just please be prepared with your questions. Write them down.

If I donít have any customers in the shop I would be happy to chat. If my phone isnít blowing up Iíd be happy to talk. For free. Just understand that the moment my phone beeps or a customer walks in Iím going to cut you off and end the phone call within 3-5 seconds.

Iíve been in retail and dealing with customers for 20 years. I understand that there is no way to make everyone happy but I really try to. It still hurts my feelings when someone is disappointed with me or my company. Sorry.

Post# 1097081 , Reply# 35   11/14/2020 at 20:57 (1,251 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        

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The Maytag restore was quite lovely.

Post# 1097082 , Reply# 36   11/14/2020 at 21:01 (1,251 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Nothing pisses me off as a customer in a store than when the phone rings and whomever is assisting me leaves me standing there ignored while they answer questions from the caller. I'm not making this up as made up as it sounds just to say something here, but I have more than once actually gone over and hung the phone up on the salesperson and told them that I was here first with money in my hand and did they want to make a sale or not. I have no problem if they answer the phone and put the person to hold because they're with another customer or that they will call them back later, but to stand there and answer questions, ain't happening.

Post# 1097083 , Reply# 37   11/14/2020 at 21:33 (1,251 days old) by Sudster ()        

I can just feel it! Perhaps you should bow out of AW for a while to wait on those hundreds of customers. You lucky boy you! Get some rest.

Post# 1097086 , Reply# 38   11/14/2020 at 22:06 (1,251 days old) by pumper (SE Wisconsin)        

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Perhaps you should take your own advice, Sudster.

Post# 1097087 , Reply# 39   11/14/2020 at 22:12 (1,251 days old) by Sudster ()        

Brilliant move ,Perhaps not! -Check

Post# 1097088 , Reply# 40   11/14/2020 at 22:20 (1,251 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Why the fighting?

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Who cares if Eugeneís business gets a plug? Heís posting videos showing how to rebuild machines at no charge to the public. Those can be invaluable to someone like me when Iíve got a machine torn apart and Iím stuck on something Iím not sure about.

Iíve always appreciated this group and this website. Itís literally shaped my life. What I hate about it is all of the infighting. How stupid is that?

A fellow 806er...

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Post# 1097091 , Reply# 41   11/14/2020 at 22:42 (1,251 days old) by Sudster ()        

I don't want to fight,I just want to separate helping from hawking.I believe professional businesses' making money off the back of AW should maybe give some perks to members. I don't feel it's fair to upload pictures ,tutorials and advice out of friendship just for some well to do appliance professional to charge fees because he is too busy to be bothered. You all can hate me all you wish but I feel strongly on this.Eugene getting a plug?? Sounds like he does not need one.Again, Can anyone join AW under -(Franks vintage washer repair)- and post every other day with his information ?? Would that be permissible ? You all OK with that?

Post# 1097092 , Reply# 42   11/14/2020 at 22:55 (1,251 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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All Eugene is doing is showing you how to repair or rebuild machines and isnít charging the public like Jon/jons1077 mentioned. The videos Eugene uploaded of the Whirlpool and Kenmore belt drive washers he refurbished will certainly show people how to make repairs to their own Whirlpool or Kenmore belt driven machines and in fact Iíll do the same repairs to my Ď63 Whirlpool as he did to the 1978 Kenmore 70 series and 1981 Whirlpool belt drive washer back in 2018 : )

A picture of the 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII I plan on doing a refurbishment on

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Post# 1097093 , Reply# 43   11/14/2020 at 23:02 (1,251 days old) by Sudster ()        

Guess I have to spell it out---So the 40 buck advice charge is waived if a proven premium paid AW member wishes to speak with Eugene??

Post# 1097094 , Reply# 44   11/14/2020 at 23:09 (1,251 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
If Robert says itís ok

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Then itís ok.

Post# 1097096 , Reply# 45   11/14/2020 at 23:29 (1,251 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Got Entitlement?

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I made it perfectly clear to you in my previous post sudster, now you are totally out of line and because of that I just turned your ability to post off. If you wish to discuss this further you can email me.

Post# 1097114 , Reply# 46   11/15/2020 at 08:08 (1,251 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

This is exactly how I run my business. If Iím with a customer, the phone does not get answered. I will not disrespect a customer in my shop by not giving them my undivided attention. There are appropriate times to give the customer some time to think or decide, at which time Iíll let them know Iíll give them a minute to mull it over and Iíll grab the phone.

Post# 1097120 , Reply# 47   11/15/2020 at 09:27 (1,250 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Aren't we all here for the companionship?

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I know I can do this all on my own, but choose not to.  And I know I learn a little bit from everyone here even newbies to the hobby- so that must be true for you the reader as well. So why all the anger out of nowhere? Anger is used too much these days it's time to end. If you are not happy the Universe is a big big place, step aside. If you have a point to make make it nicely. 

I have not dealt directly with : Eugene at

 Lorain Furniture & Appliance, located at 4617 Lorain Avenue in Cleveland, OH, 44102


But I enjoy his work, and believe me people even small videos are a lot of work to get out there! : So his videos are an act of love!



I have dealt with Mother Superior  over at 

Alco Appliance Sales & Service, located at 10101 Bacon Dr., Unit F, 

in Beltsville, MD, 20705




I have bought  a few machines from him , although a bit fly by night his operation is semi-stable. There is a lot of machines coming and going and disappearing when you least expect it.  Be careful what he pushes on you, you could get stuck reworking the same Combo for oh 30+ years??



Post# 1097127 , Reply# 48   11/15/2020 at 10:02 (1,250 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Four things

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Seriously, can't we save the drama for the Collectors' Club Which Must Not Be Named and keep the enjoyment for ours?

1) Personal vendettas (and this clearly, clearly is one) are for The Collectors' Club which must not be Named, not here!

2) Eugene does great work, I love his videos and I learn from him.

3) I, too, am self-employed. I'm generous with my knowledge, such as it is, but Eugene is cheap compared to me when it comes to telephone consultations - one should be thankful to have such an outstanding resource!

4) Robert has spoken, the matter is ended.




Post# 1097131 , Reply# 49   11/15/2020 at 10:27 (1,250 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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"Robert has spoken" 


Yes she did !



Post# 1097133 , Reply# 50   11/15/2020 at 10:34 (1,250 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Robert Has Spoken

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Of course through my mask and in bed lol

Post# 1097134 , Reply# 51   11/15/2020 at 10:38 (1,250 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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"Mother Superior" ROFL!

Post# 1097137 , Reply# 52   11/15/2020 at 10:50 (1,250 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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The only anger I see is from you. Don't deal with Eugene if you can't respect the parameters he's set up to run his business. There are thousands of other places to spend your money. Don't waste your time watching his videos if they set you off. Life is too short.

Post# 1097141 , Reply# 53   11/15/2020 at 12:00 (1,250 days old) by Mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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"I have dealt with Mother Superior over at
Alco Appliance Sales & Service, located at 10101 Bacon Dr., Unit F,
in Beltsville, MD, 20705

I have bought a few machines from him , although a bit fly by night his operation is semi-stable. There is a lot of machines coming and going and disappearing when you least expect it. Be careful what he pushes on you, you could get stuck reworking the same Combo for oh 30+ years??"

Jon Jetcone, I don't think you've ever made me laugh as hard as I did at that. Mother Superior John Combination Washer Dryer Le Fevre is becoming shadier and flightier by the day. I'm trying to get help on fixing a GM Agitub, dying for the Syncho-swing, and he offers me A FRANKLIN version, A FRANKLIN !!!!! Are you kidding me. Does he even listen. I'm taking my business to Eugene tomorrow, LOL.

Post# 1097142 , Reply# 54   11/15/2020 at 12:51 (1,250 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))        

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This is not the time to point out anyoneís short comings, or how someone runs there business. We all live in different parts of the universe and come from different backgrounds. I have always received nothing but positive responses and advice from everyone on here. I canít understand why someone would come on here and spread anger for no reason itís not fair, when someone is generous enough to make videos and share there machines with us. This world is not free and Eugene is in a business to make money and if you donít like that then take your business elsewhere.

Post# 1097143 , Reply# 55   11/15/2020 at 12:54 (1,250 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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Never a truer word spoken.

Post# 1097164 , Reply# 56   11/15/2020 at 16:35 (1,250 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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A Franklin?? Indeed, Well I never got to play with one of those, better put my mask on and head south ! However the only way a Franklin part is ever gonna mate up with a GM Agitub is with the use of  a very large 5 pound persuader ( see hammer). 


Mickeyd I do know for a fact he was hoarding parts off a GM Agitub at the Farm so they are somewhere in Beltsville for sure.




Post# 1097168 , Reply# 57   11/15/2020 at 16:52 (1,250 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Just to be clear

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I too have had dealings with mother superior at Alco Appliance. I carry her picture as a reminder.

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Post# 1097184 , Reply# 58   11/15/2020 at 18:46 (1,250 days old) by Sudsomatic (Indiana)        

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Nothing new to add except more love for Eugene, hope the negativity from one doesn't stop the YT vids or your helpful posts here on the board.


It can be difficult to find the services and parts you need, a basic google search isn't always helpful when you have such specific details as you do when dealing with machines that are more or less Dinosaurs to the current consumer base. The more posts with contact links to contracted repair persons or enthusiasts that collect enough to re-sell parts and machines is a good thing I think. It keeps the community thriving on top of what this forum already does in general with it's invaluable knowledge base and general cheerleader attitude towards members, new and old, that post their machines and projects.

Post# 1097189 , Reply# 59   11/15/2020 at 19:44 (1,250 days old) by Mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Jetcone ~

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Mother Superior John Combination Washer Dryer Le Fevre said that he's looking for some sort of Dodge Van that costs $25,000, and if I could help with that he would give me the fully operational GM Frigi Agitub Skinny-Mini he has on the premises at the Museum. He sure knows how to drive a hard bargain. I intend to trick him with S&H Green Stamp books and enlarged Monopoly Money, while distracting him with long conversations about his favorite topic--SEX !!! LOL.

Post# 1097208 , Reply# 60   11/15/2020 at 23:40 (1,250 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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I think Sudster renewed his membership here after many years simply to stir the pot. I mean all his posts seem at the very least slightly confrontational or contradictory to replies.

Post# 1097232 , Reply# 61   11/16/2020 at 09:49 (1,249 days old) by Mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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To John Lefevre for taking the joke to far. Forgive me. How thoughtless!

Post# 1097511 , Reply# 62   11/18/2020 at 10:30 (1,247 days old) by Paulwash (Niagara Falls New York)        
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Listen man .. I am not here to argue with you ... the world is in a pandemic right now.. I Donít know you donít know me .. YOUR response on this thread was just as rude as your answer on the phone .. Maybe youíre working too much. I donít know but Iíve had very very nice responses from others on this website that doesnít cost a penny. I will pray that you will learn how to be kind and answer in a kind manner I was not trying to tell you my life story .. I was trying to explain to you what was wrong with the machine you did not tell me on the phone and you had a customer there either.. but really I donít care I know in my mind not to watch your YouTube videos or to ever come to you for help. Maybe you can hire some people at your business to have a question and answer line? I donít know.. Stay safe and happy holidays ,: Iím done responding I have nothing else to say it is what it is.

Post# 1097556 , Reply# 63   11/18/2020 at 20:42 (1,247 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Letís make this a teachable moment for me.

So now you understand the background surrounding your phone call. Please tell me what would have been the appropriate response if our roles were reversed. Give me a suitable response understanding that there are 3+ calls in the que and a cash customer in the store. You have 2 minutes before your customer walks out pissed off that they got bold face ignored. Meanwhile Iím going to talk nonstop to you and you will need to find a polite way to cut me off and let me know your busy.

I genuinely would like to know how I could have handled it better.

1. Yes I work too Much.

I get to work every day between 6-7am. My shop closes at 6pm. Sundayís are my short day, I usually come home around 4:30-5pm.

6-7am: me time. Coffee, news, or sometimes just silence
7-8ish: record a YouTube video and/ or edit a video.
8-9am : online orders fulfilled and delivered to post office
9-10am: consultation time. Usually I only schedule one per day so more like 9-9:30.
9:30-10: invoicing and scheduling of days deliveries.
10am: store opens. Phone typically rings nonstop for 20 minutes or so.
11-2 is peak time. Iím busy helping customers and answering phone.
3-4 is kind of slow, but there is no consistency.
4-5after work shoppers.
5-6 kind of back to me time but usually Iím trying to wrap up the day.
After 6. Lock door , end drawer , go home.

2. Itís absurd to think I should hire someone to ď have a question and answer line?Ē
A. I should pay someone $15/ hour so that people could have unlimited free access to a person who nobody wants to talk to.
B. Nobody wants to talk to a 15/hour secretary, people call to speak with me.
C. I already have a ďquestion and answer lineĒ , you have to schedule an appointment and it costs $40.

This website has the best group of people I have ever met. I donít post much but I read almost daily. If there is ever a question the was posted that I could confidently answer I will.. for free. There are plenty of very talented people here that know waaaay more than I do , especially vintage washers which is definitely not my specialty.

Post# 1097562 , Reply# 64   11/18/2020 at 21:25 (1,247 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Seems equitable to me.


As the SNL Czech Brothers said, "Woot skeets pravlo?"

Post# 1097597 , Reply# 65   11/19/2020 at 08:33 (1,247 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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Speaking as someone who runs their own business - I hear you.

Never discount the amount of goodwill you have from virtually the entire group of us here.

The few malcontents are as likely to be unhappy that someone as cute as you doesn't play for our team as about anything else.


I love your videos and your take on working with machinery!

I also love that your have balls to stand up to the Speed Queen nonsense of the past few years.

Post# 1097625 , Reply# 66   11/19/2020 at 12:37 (1,246 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Some thoughts

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We're all having a tough year of it.

Maybe it's time to agree to follow Robert's rules and drop personal stuff in Imperial?

Post# 1097628 , Reply# 67   11/19/2020 at 12:52 (1,246 days old) by rickr (.)        
I think, the issue has been dropped,

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except for the one person who is trying to start it up again. Just saying...

Post# 1097635 , Reply# 68   11/19/2020 at 14:13 (1,246 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Some things never change

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Post# 1097643 , Reply# 69   11/19/2020 at 16:34 (1,246 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Amen, Rick!

Post# 1097646 , Reply# 70   11/19/2020 at 17:00 (1,246 days old) by Sudster ()        
Enough please

I started this whole mess and after a severe ass whipping by the webmaster,I apologize for being insensitive to others . I will only use this platform for technical issues going forward.Let's let it die and again ,My apologies --Joe

Post# 1097660 , Reply# 71   11/19/2020 at 19:49 (1,246 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        

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A very stunning 806 restoration.

Post# 1097674 , Reply# 72   11/20/2020 at 01:06 (1,246 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
I know what all this needs...

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Post# 1097694 , Reply# 73   11/20/2020 at 08:00 (1,246 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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I think that's probably the best analysis to date.


Post# 1097700 , Reply# 74   11/20/2020 at 09:07 (1,245 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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all customers can make you happy....

some by coming in and by phone....

and some by never bothering you ever again....


if Caller ID's would tell you the 'type' of person you would be dealing with along with the phone number/ would be so much easier.....and times your thankful for answering machines!

Post# 1097702 , Reply# 75   11/20/2020 at 09:20 (1,245 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Oh, yes

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That is so true.


I learned early on that these are going to be the easy customers:

Older women.

Men who practice a trade.


These are the customers to avoid:

"You can only carry out the work when I am there and I will be supervising you."

"You want how much for, what, 20 minutes easy work? If I could get anyone else, why, I'm going to tell XXX (name of person who recommended me) about you! - Be there tomorrow promptly at 9!

"I expect you to start work no later than 6am and that's a concession to your big-city ways, never mind that I live 120 miles away on dirt roads."


All customers make us happy. Some, when they enter our shop, some when they leave.

Post# 1097714 , Reply# 76   11/20/2020 at 12:22 (1,245 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        
Reply #74

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" and some by never bothering you ever again..."

I say this all the time to my small engine repair customers. Good bye and good luck !!! LOL

Post# 1097718 , Reply# 77   11/20/2020 at 14:27 (1,245 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawaiíi)        

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Wow! Save the drama for your mama. Although this has been a morbidly entertaining thread, I find it trivial and quite unnecessary. I have always respected nearly all the folks that engage here and when I see threads like this itís like fingernails on a chalkboard. Hopefully my post will be the last to this thread and we can move on to more positive and enlightening subjects.

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