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Post# 1097830   11/21/2020 at 14:47 (856 days old) by tommy (USA)        

I just bought a place that has an old Kelvinator front load washer (model: AWS100CD1) and I need some help figuring out what this assembly is and what it does. The plastic piece on the front of the pulley is off-center and partially melted, but i don't know what it's for or what the solenoid/lever part that pushes on it does. Is this a critical piece? Anyone know what it does? The belts broke so i have to replace those, but i'm not sure if i need to fix the plastic piece (if that's even possible) or if I can just run as it. Thanks!

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Post# 1097837 , Reply# 1   11/21/2020 at 15:51 (856 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA - Next Wash-In June 2022!)        

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Its a spin pulley from a 3 belt Westinghouse front loader...to engage the Spin cycle, it pushes the Spin belt against the pulley..WCI must of slapped the Kelvinator name on it too....post a front pic please too


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Post# 1097839 , Reply# 2   11/21/2020 at 16:15 (856 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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The correct model number possibly is AWS100C1D instead of AWS100CD1.

Parts Diagrams


Post# 1097860 , Reply# 3   11/21/2020 at 18:39 (856 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Okay this is a new one on me!!

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Kelvinator Front Loader ??? PUHLEEEZE take cabinet pics and post.


Post# 1097883 , Reply# 4   11/21/2020 at 21:03 (856 days old) by tommy (USA)        
Additional Pics

Here are the additional pics. One of front and one with model #.

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Post# 1097897 , Reply# 5   11/21/2020 at 22:07 (856 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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rebadged flat front, tall tumbler SpaceMates....

definitely worth restoring....


Post# 1097902 , Reply# 6   11/21/2020 at 22:26 (856 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Hmmm ... AWS100CD1 doesn't search on the two parts sources I tried.


Post# 1097911 , Reply# 7   11/21/2020 at 23:34 (855 days old) by tommy (USA)        

Yeah, i can't find anything for this model number. But the spin pulley post above does look like the part i need to replace. Might be worth a shot.

Post# 1097963 , Reply# 8   11/22/2020 at 12:41 (855 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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File Under: "You learn something new everyday." Can't say I've ever seen a Kelvinator-badged WCI front-loader!

Post# 1097966 , Reply# 9   11/22/2020 at 12:54 (855 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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My neighbor had an identical model labeled Gibson. You could add as much water as you wanted and never went off balance. I have an old Sears catalog with the same model with a Kenmore badge.

Post# 1097983 , Reply# 10   11/22/2020 at 14:58 (855 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I had one of those for quite a while. It was in the shop for doing rags, etc.


Post# 1097989 , Reply# 11   11/22/2020 at 15:37 (855 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Kelvinator was a WCI brand at the time, with Westinghouse, Gibson, and Frigidaire, so a Kelvinator-branded unit is reasonable.


Post# 1098028 , Reply# 12   11/22/2020 at 18:50 (855 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
manufacturers label

sorry for the subject drift. Seeing that generic label where Kelvinator is printed with a dot matrix printer (and probably p)rinted Kenmore... etc) reminds me of the label printers we used in manufacturing Mini Computers.  We had OEM accounts so we would put on other brand names (IBM, Olivetti). Those UL labels are supposed to survive a fire for product traceability reasons in case the unit they are attached to is considered a suspect in some type of situation.   Once again sorry for the drift.  Just brought back memories.

 

 


Post# 1098050 , Reply# 13   11/22/2020 at 21:10 (855 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Melted Clutch Slider On A 3 Belt WH FL Washer

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You need a new part, it will not work without this part, Most likely something caused this to over heat and melt. 

 

Most likely is a tight-dry helix spring or tight main bearings, or something caught between the tubs, or trying to start spinning with a load of clothing with either the primary or secondary tumbles belts missing or broken.

 

We still have lots of new belts and other parts for these washers.

 

John L. 


Post# 1098059 , Reply# 14   11/23/2020 at 01:00 (854 days old) by miele4life (Reading, UK )        

I've just put in the serial number details into appliance411.com and tells that it was most likely to have been made in March 1987. :)

Post# 1098067 , Reply# 15   11/23/2020 at 07:35 (854 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Melted Clutch Slider On A 3 Belt WH FL Washer

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1987 would be correct for this washer, WCI stopped making FL washers in 6-88 for around 6 months or a little longer and then came out with a machine that looked just like these but had a variable speed brush style motor [ from or Germany ] and an imported drain pump, timer and speed control board, this next generation machine worked well but were even more troublesome than the 3-Belt machine.

 

WCI built this revised single belt washer into 1994 then completely scrapped this machine and introduced an all new FL washer in 1996 that was very successful, it was sold under the Frigidaire, Gibson names as well as all the GE and Kenmore FL washers for at least a few years. 

 

John L.


Post# 1098110 , Reply# 16   11/23/2020 at 15:13 (854 days old) by tommy (USA)        

@combo52...the belt attached to that pulley snapped mid-load, which i'm guessing is what caused the plastic on this pulley to melt. I've ordered new belts too so hopefully this does the trick. Thanks for the help.

Post# 1098125 , Reply# 17   11/23/2020 at 18:17 (854 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Melted Clutch Slider On A 3 Belt WH FL Washer

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Great that you found the belts, but it will not work without replacing the slider for spin.

 

John L.


Post# 1098158 , Reply# 18   11/24/2020 at 06:30 (853 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        

Maybe the part can be replicated with a 3D printer?  There must be some commercial services out there that can take the existing one and craft a new one from taking dimensions... 


Post# 1098252 , Reply# 19   11/24/2020 at 22:10 (853 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

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I had a house in Chicago with the laundry room in the (unheated) garage, but the bathroom was large and there was the opportunity to build-in the w/d side by side. Unfortunately, the MT washer in the garage quit (it would work ok in the winter if I left the light on, but it died right when Frigidaire was in the hiatus between the two designs. I ended up with a Roper World Washer in the garage (figured that design would be safer with the freeze/thaw situation than a normal WP).

Post# 1098266 , Reply# 20   11/25/2020 at 05:54 (852 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
And Known as English Electric

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Hellow Tommy, Welcome to Automatic Washer, best place for all the information required on your new to you washer.

The innards are same as our English Electric with the three belt drive, built under license, you can see how the belts, solenoid and spin engage work.

Enjoy the repairing , definitely a keeper !!






Post# 1098320 , Reply# 21   11/25/2020 at 16:11 (852 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
MIke

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what a cute machine !! Love all the sounds too! 

 

And the loading port on the door !! 

 

 


Post# 1098573 , Reply# 22   11/28/2020 at 17:07 (849 days old) by Tommy (USA)        
Parts replaced, still issues

So thanks again for all the help so far. Iíve replaced the belts and spin pulley, but now when I run the machine, the belt with the arrow in the attached pic keeps spinning and nothing else engages. The water fills and drains, but the tub doesnít spin. The pulleys attached to this belt are get really hot too when it runs for a minute. Any ideas on what could be causing this? Iím wondering If this was the main issue that caused the belts to snap and the pulley to melt in the first place. Thanks.


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Post# 1098575 , Reply# 23   11/28/2020 at 17:32 (849 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Something must be seized

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What does the belt and pulley drive?  I know on Whirlpools the pump can seize and make the pulley resistant, even if it does turn with difficulty.  You may need a new pump.


Post# 1098583 , Reply# 24   11/28/2020 at 19:12 (849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Melted Clutch Slider On A 3 Belt WH FL Washer

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It is not a water pump problem,

 

Does the basket turn easily in one direction ?

 

If not you either have sized main bearings, something caught between the basket and outer tub, or hopefully just a clutch-helix spring that is dry and in need of removing and regreasing.

 

Let me know if the basket turns easily in one direction and it should turn the other way as well but will take a lot more effort.

 

John L.

 


Post# 1098587 , Reply# 25   11/28/2020 at 19:35 (849 days old) by Tommy (USA)        

Youíre right. When I try to manually spin the basket there are a couple points in the rotation where I feel and hear some scraping. I assume I need to remove the front panel to try to see what could be scraping between the basket and outer tub?

Post# 1098593 , Reply# 26   11/28/2020 at 20:21 (849 days old) by Tommy (USA)        

So I removed on of the ribs in the basket and I see there are two things just floating around between the basket and the drum. One is some rectangular white basket looking thing and another is a thin piece of clear plastic with 4 screws in it. They are both just floating freely in there and at times will seize the drum. Any ideas what these are and if I need them? Not sure how to get them out without breaking them or taking the whole washer apart.

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Post# 1098611 , Reply# 27   11/28/2020 at 22:19 (849 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Unfortunately an all too common problem of these washers, There [ was ] a porcelain on steel bracket welded to the outer tub that the nylon baffle that you found loose in the outer tub that was screwed to this bracket that rusted and broke loose from the outer tub. This bracket also held the plastic filter basket in place.

 

There was a kit back in the day with a SS bracket that you drilled holes through the outer tub to attach it and then screw the baffle to it. You could probably make one. The original kit could be installed through the opening under the baffle you already removed, but if you are trying to fabricate something you might have to completely disassemble the washer to do it easily.

 

John L.


Post# 1098629 , Reply# 28   11/29/2020 at 01:13 (848 days old) by Tommy (USA)        

Thanks John. Again very helpful. Simple (and maybe dumb) question. Do I need these baffles and plastic filter baskets? If I just removed them, what would happen?

Post# 1098645 , Reply# 29   11/29/2020 at 07:39 (848 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA - Next Wash-In June 2022!)        

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The same thing happened to mine, the metal baffle came off its weld points. During the spin cycle, it deflects water towards to drain hose. Without it, centrifugal force would prevent water from entering the drain hose during the spin cycle. What I did was drill a hole in the tub to secure the baffle and put epoxy over the screw to prevent leaks, and put the plastic piece back in its place (that is the pump guard, to keep large items out if it.) I did not have to take the machine apart to do this and it was not as hard as I thought it would be

Post# 1098650 , Reply# 30   11/29/2020 at 07:55 (848 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA - Next Wash-In June 2022!)        

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These pics might help.. I have a spacemate service manual pdf I can email you...

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Post# 1098773 , Reply# 31   11/30/2020 at 01:45 (847 days old) by Tommy (USA)        

Thanks, thatís super helpful and I think thatís exactly it. The metal bracket that the baffle bolted to completely rusted off and it looks like Iíll have to drill 4 holes through the drum to reattach it. Then seal the holes from the bottom of the drum with jb weld or some epoxy. Hoping this fixes it for good.

Post# 1098863 , Reply# 32   11/30/2020 at 19:00 (847 days old) by chinadave (san diego)        

Tommy, i will give you $10,000 for that machine.


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