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Post# 1097877   11/21/2020 at 20:44 (856 days old) by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

I recently had to move apartments recently on short notice and while I do like my new place I did have to give up having washer and dryer hookups. Therefore the Maximas are in storage for now and itís off to the laundromat. My first foray was with an older Dexter triple load. It used a nice high water level, about a third of the way up the door and also had three rinses. It only spun between the 2nd and 3rd but I guess you canít have everything. The no nonsense no messing around approach in a commercial machine is refreshing, it just powers though. I also love the sound it made going into the spin, no ramp up or balancing it just launched right into a full spin.

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Post# 1097878 , Reply# 1   11/21/2020 at 20:47 (856 days old) by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

Thereís all kind of treasures here will have to come back!

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Post# 1097893 , Reply# 2   11/21/2020 at 21:38 (856 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        

Please post more!

Post# 1098079 , Reply# 3   11/23/2020 at 09:04 (854 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Cameron, you are certainly tackling not having your own washer and dryer with a great attitude! I had to use the local laundromat for about six months back in 1988 and my attitude was positively toxic, lol.

Be sure to post snaps of any other machines you find interesting on your new adventure. It's fun to see what commercial machines are out there, both new and old. That Maytag top-loader has certainly lasted a long time.

Post# 1098095 , Reply# 4   11/23/2020 at 12:40 (854 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Cameron, I am sorry you had to go from having your own machines to having to use coin-ops, but I wish you a continued positive attitude and many wonderful adventures in laundry land. Thank you for including us in your report.

Post# 1098133 , Reply# 5   11/23/2020 at 20:24 (854 days old) by Cam2s (Nebraska)        
Round two

Thank you all for the kind words. Itís been fun for now but Iím sure Iíll want my maxima back soon. I always used the sanitary high temperature cycle for my linens and I just wonít be able to replicate that in a coin op machine.
I did another load tonight, I went to a different laundromat, this one looks like it has been recently renovated. They mostly had dexter front loads and a few whirlpool belt drive top loads. I wound up using a triple load machine again. The newer ones have one less rinse, the cycle is wash rinse spin rinse spin. Also they are VFD motors, there is a ramp up to spin. I broke the one I used tonight though! I thought I could hear the full valve running through the wash and the water level was awfully high for a newer machine, and sure enough got an F2 error, which indicates stuck open valve. The 1st rinse I donít think the drain valve shut, water ran into the machine but the level never came up. 2nd rinse was the same as the wash, level came up high and the valve stayed open. Who knew overflow rinsing was coming back! Will have to come back here and try a different machine to see what the levels are suppose to be.

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Post# 1101883 , Reply# 6   12/24/2020 at 21:17 (823 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
A few Whirlpool belt-drive top loaders?!

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Those date way back. Would love to see a pic of a Whirlpool belt-drive commercial machine.
(Sounds like you're a fan of the Maytag Maxima).

Post# 1101887 , Reply# 7   12/24/2020 at 22:11 (823 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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It would be interesting if my local Laundromat had a few of the older Whirlpool belt drive washers with the coin op but thereís only dexter machines along with Maytag coin up machines with the standard short tub capacity. Laundromats that have the older Whirlpool belt drive commercial washers will sure have happy customers since the belt drive washers do work very well especially with the Surgilator agitator.

Post# 1101927 , Reply# 8   12/25/2020 at 07:59 (822 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
WP Belt Drive Commercial Washers

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All WP & MT TL Commercial  Washers have been BD for the last 10 years, I think these are likely what Cameron is talking about. 


You are not missing much with these machines, they do a miserable job and don't hold up well.


John L.

Post# 1101959 , Reply# 9   12/25/2020 at 13:43 (822 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I had one of those coin op Maytag.
Even though orbital tranny and short fast strokes it did a pretty good job but nothing like the tranny action of old especially with that kind of agitator.
Mine was slightly different and had the knob more central on the panel.
I was thinking to convert it to coinless.
Inability to have many water levels and single rinses to repeat or prewash made it a PITA to use as a domestic washer.
But I needed too many parts and a new pressure switch and was not acknowledged technically speaking as I am now back then when I had it.
Ended up selling it for a symbolic price to a lady that ran a volunteering dog pound.

I do miss though that blue tub and the smell the Maytag gave to laundry.
Yeah...each machine type gives laundry a different smell!
Maybe someone will think I'm crazy or maybe someone will agree with me but e
I found that each machine kind gives laundry a particular smell.
It doesn't matter if you use same detergent and softener two different machines kinds will give you a different typical smell to that machine.
Same with filter flos.
I happened to use a similar maytag but digital in laundromat and they gave me the same "Maytag smell" I got with my old one.
The same happens with European front loaders, for example candy machines of old it doesn't matter if it is a Candy136 or Candy SA68 gives me the "old candy washer laundry smell".
Am I crazy??😂

Post# 1101969 , Reply# 10   12/25/2020 at 15:32 (822 days old) by electronicontrl (Grand Rapids, MI)        
Nope I have the same experience

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Laundry from my 2nd hand Kenmore and KitchenAid washers have a different scent than those from my Maytags. The KA had liquid detergent flung all over the inside of the cabinet when I bought it and the outer tub was caked as well. Even after scrubbing it off and removing hard water deposits there is still some of a slight smell when removing just-washed clothes from the basket.

Post# 1102299 , Reply# 11   12/28/2020 at 12:02 (819 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Haha good to hear I'm not the only one! 😂
Anyway I'm not just talking about the reminiscence of whatever build up is or was in the machine but a particular smell related to the machine type.
Guess it does have something to do with how they machine does, the methods and or some reactions with the alloys of components or rubbers used.

Post# 1102342 , Reply# 12   12/28/2020 at 21:12 (819 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I've used a few Dexter and Maytag front load machines in a local laundromat recently. I was quite impressed with the Maytag hard mount machines, I'm tempted to drill holes in my basement floor now.

As for top loaders in a laundromat... Just can't think of a more foolish thing today

Post# 1102401 , Reply# 13   12/29/2020 at 13:04 (818 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Well if I had to use a laundromat and I had to choose between a top loader of old and a front loader I would definitely choose the top loader so not foolish for customer's sake
But certainly less greedy and profitable from the owner's side.

Post# 1102402 , Reply# 14   12/29/2020 at 13:06 (818 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Modern top loader's? Forget about it.

Post# 1102404 , Reply# 15   12/29/2020 at 13:19 (818 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Kind of foolish to say having top loaders are a foolish in a Laundromat these days. Top loaders in a Laundromat are usually for smaller to medium sized loads of laundry or if you donít have much laundry to wash at all, and front loaders are for large loads of laundry such as comforters and bulky bedding in a Laundromat. Got to give customers flexibility on what kind of washer they are going to use and what washer theyíll need for the load of laundry they are going wash.

Post# 1102407 , Reply# 16   12/29/2020 at 13:43 (818 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Yes but I believe the "foolish" comment was about top loader's using slightly more water hence resulting in slightly higher running costs, so, from a laundromat owner's perspective in terms of profit is usually advised to only go front loader in various sizes.
Foolish I would not say though.
Myself I am more pleased with Toploader agitator washer results rather than front loaders and I would choose a top loader agitator washer anyday granted it is one of the good old ones and water comes hot enough
There is also to say that unless a small front loader have an heater in case of hot fill only sure there is much more heat dissipation and water cools faster in a front loading small unit than a typical agitator top loader that accommodates a same size load. Another reason why I would definitely pick a top loader.
Forget that many laundromats purposely keep hot water pretty low already for my standards and that is to increase profits and I happen to see many attendants that do rather rely on Chlorine because relying on water hotness provided by the place they better not.
That is something I see everywhere.
I just happened to find a few laundromats here in Europe with front loaders having a built in heater and were Electrolux machines, the other one had Miele's and they also provided a 95į proper boilwash.

Post# 1102589 , Reply# 17   12/30/2020 at 20:57 (817 days old) by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

Perhaps I should have been more clear, I did unfortunately mean the newer style Whirlpool belt drive machines. Iíve tried to find older machines since they tend to use more water and have more fills, for front loaders anyways. The mat Iíve been going to seems to have fairly hot water, the glass on the door seems to be quite hot during the wash anyways. I have to say I prefer a good front loads, if nothing else so I can see whatís going on.

This is the selection of TLs they have:
2 Ipso branded alliance machines,
2 Whirlpool direct drive machines
2 Whirlpool belt drive, one agi peller and one traditional agitator.
1 long stroke Maytag
The rest short stroke Maytags.

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Post# 1102595 , Reply# 18   12/30/2020 at 21:25 (817 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Least in our neck of the woods top loading washers have long vanished from coin laundromats for most part. OPL in multi-family housing might be another matter.

Most places now have front loaders in several sizes to accommodate various loads based upon pounds. Dexter, Speed Queen, IPSO, Wascomat and others all offer vend and on premises washer/extractors starting at smallest (18-20 pounds) up to 50 pounds and higher.

H-Axis washers are far more energy and water efficient than top loaders, something owners of laundromats appreciate since they pay for water twice. What machines use, then what is drained away (sewer charges). Cycle times can be fast as 30 mins (more or less) depending upon programming and options chosen by customer.

Don't doubt some laundromats somewhere in USA still have top loaders, but overall those machines are going way of the Dodo.

Post# 1102604 , Reply# 19   12/30/2020 at 22:37 (817 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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Years ago, I had to go to the local Norge Village with 2 loads for 2 top load Speed Queens, not Norge. They only filled up 1/4 of the tub. So I filled up their floor bucket several times and brought both levels up. Waiting there was a pain. Women in curlers, kids just running around. Bought my first Kenmore and installed the next week. Never been in a laundromat since.

Post# 1102613 , Reply# 20   12/31/2020 at 00:37 (816 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Timed fill of the SQs caused the improper fill.

Post# 1102817 , Reply# 21   1/1/2021 at 20:12 (815 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Soft mounted commercial washers actually often have higher final spin speeds than hard. While many of today's modern laundromat and other hard mounted washers do offer faster final spin speeds, soft still often is higher.

Reason has to do with suspension or rather lack of in hard mount washers.

Lacking a suspension system hard mount washers transmit all forces generated during washing and spinning directly downward into floor to be disbursed throughout building. This works well enough with low rpm spins especially when loads are perfectly balanced. OTOH when things aren't and you've got 20, 50, 80, 100 pounds or more of wet washing being spun it is going to generate some serious forces. Those forces sent down into building can cause issues for even the most reinforced properties. This comes into play even more when laundry isn't located on ground floor or basements.

Have stood several feet away from a fully loaded 50lb SQ hard mount at local laundromat as it was spinning at final high speed. Could easily feel vibrations that were sent down machine into concrete base several feet thick.

Soft mount washers thanks to their suspension systems cope far better with these forces even if a portion still are transmitted down into structure.

Case in point:

Post# 1103173 , Reply# 22   1/4/2021 at 20:49 (812 days old) by hobbyapocalypse (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Just in the past few months my local laundromat replaced about 10 top-load Maytags with Huebsch machines. Last month they replaced the remaining 10 or so TL Whirlpools, as well as all the old dryers, with Huebsch brand. The old large machines were recently replaced as well, and the walls were repainted.

The management had quit repairing the old washers so I'd say less than half the Whirlpools were in working order when replaced.

With a fresh coat of paint and shiny new machines the old place is very attractive don't you think?

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Post# 1103175 , Reply# 23   1/4/2021 at 21:02 (812 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Looks Great

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Even though the owners made a large investment in all those new machines their operating costs for water, electricity and gas went way down.

It is really neat to see all those Stainless Steel washers and realize that I just bought the same real SS Front Load washer with the SQ name on it and it comes with a very generous 5 Year P&L Warranty, and the one I got costs around $800 less.

John L.

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Post# 1103176 , Reply# 24   1/4/2021 at 21:10 (812 days old) by gregingotham (New York)        
how's this?

My local laundromat in NYC has a Dexter "megaload" (6 baskets) as well as several "maxiloads"....

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Post# 1104347 , Reply# 25   1/12/2021 at 21:03 (804 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        
Soft mount commercial washers

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You do not find many soft mount washers in laundromats because they are so expensive to buy, often 2x - 4x the price of the hard mount machines. Plus, the business is built on the washer taking 30 mins for its cycle and the dryer taking 30 mins to dry, so the machines are always in use (if you are lucky) making revenue. With high speed extract washers, the clothes dry quicker, and the owner loses revenue on the shorter dry times and the dryers sitting vacant unused for part of that old 30 mins timing. So washer prices get jacked up and/or minutes per quarter in the dryer goes down to make up the revenue. There is a trend in dryer pricing for "complete cycle" drying, where you have to purchase 30-35 minutes from the get-go which will dry most loads.

Post# 1104363 , Reply# 26   1/12/2021 at 23:32 (803 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Local laundromat's modern SQ (hard mount) washers leave laundry wetter than my vintage Miele, and certainly either of the AEG washers. Only slightly better than the Maytag wringer I must say. *LOL*

Things taken out of the Miele or AEG washers are dried within about one hour or so on the lines, often less. Load of linens done at in those SQ washers took several hours and still weren't totally dry.

And yes, this place recently increased prices on washers, and took away one minute for each quarter on dryers (what once was 5 minutes is down to 4....)

Post# 1109754 , Reply# 27   2/27/2021 at 20:39 (758 days old) by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

The laundromat I frequent has recently installed two Fagor hard mount front load machines. This is a brand Iíve never seen around here before. They are quite large machines, probably 50-60 lbs. I havenít used one yet since they are priced at 7 dollars per load and other than washing several comforters wouldnít be able to even come close to filling it. May have to bite the bullet and send something through it to see what the cycle sequence is.

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Post# 1109764 , Reply# 28   2/27/2021 at 23:40 (757 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Fagor is from Portugal and quite a huge appliance manufacturer in Europe, making a lot of the commercial induction cooking equipment. We first saw the name here on their pressure cookers.

Post# 1109809 , Reply# 29   2/28/2021 at 12:44 (757 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
just googled Fagor

They have been defunct since 2013. Probably just a brand name these days.

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