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Post# 1101558   12/21/2020 at 20:38 (1,221 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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I don't agree with everything they did, but at least they exercised respect.   Of course, due to the exaggeration from the camera lens, it's not nearly as spacious as it appears, but the setting combined with the views and privacy it affords make me feel like I could live there no problem.  Maybe because we're both the same age.

 

I wonder if the original oven (Thermador?) was too problematic to replace.  If it weren't stainless, they would have doubtless found a way.   I love a fireplace in the kitchen.  I don't know what they were thinking with the medieval accessorizing, though.

 

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Post# 1101574 , Reply# 1   12/21/2020 at 22:10 (1,221 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
Guess that's what they call

a "million dollar view", as the price is about a million more than what such a house around here would cost.

It's an interesting house, and I have to say the surroundings are spectacular.


Post# 1101585 , Reply# 2   12/21/2020 at 23:43 (1,221 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
" . . . the surroundings are spectacular"

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Yeah, they haven't burned yet . . .

 

That scenario crossed my mind when I saw how the place was situated.    There have been fires not far from Glendale in recent years.

 

The asking price would be even higher here in the SF Bay Area.  That's almost a steal, considering its provenance.


Post# 1101596 , Reply# 3   12/22/2020 at 04:27 (1,221 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Wonderful house with a beautiful view! One thing that puzzles me is the shape of that bathtub. It doesn't look very comfortable and it takes a lot of water I'm sure.

Post# 1101642 , Reply# 4   12/22/2020 at 12:12 (1,220 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Louis, I think the tub is a lot smaller -- as in not so enlongated -- as it appears.  What really bothers me is that the shower stall is so small.  Given that it's even smaller than it looks, I think that was a big mistake for a master bath even though I realize it was carved out of an existing room and space to work with was likely limited.   I'd prefer a larger shower and less space wasted on a tub.

 

I don't think there's a real estate pictorial out there anymore that wasn't shot with a distortional lens.  Refrigerators, side by sides in particular, are a dead giveaway.  Take a look at the freezer side.  It looks as wide as a fresh food door would be.  That whole kitchen is tiny, which would have been typical for many MCM homes with similar architecture.  It just looks spacious due to trick photography.


Post# 1101643 , Reply# 5   12/22/2020 at 12:21 (1,220 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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What a beautiful home in a beautiful setting.  I recall many homes like this when I was a kid in the East Bay Area.  One of my parents best friends had a home similar to this in Kensington.  He was a doctor in Albany. I loved it because it was so modern.

 

Eddie


Post# 1101646 , Reply# 6   12/22/2020 at 13:23 (1,220 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Thank you for sharing, but I would not consider wood construction safe or sensible in a fire-prone area; masonry construction, metal roof and metal window shutters.


Post# 1101658 , Reply# 7   12/22/2020 at 15:41 (1,220 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Location is great view wise, the rest- half I like, the rest does little for me. one thing that would really bug me is the bathroom sink is install backward, the over flow is never supposed to be facing the user.

Post# 1101660 , Reply# 8   12/22/2020 at 15:50 (1,220 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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If I moved into that house and called Letty, the cleaning lady I currently have, she'd say "forget it, I do windows but not that many windows." Just wiping down all that glass in the bathroom would make taking a shower a real hassle. That old oven in that kitchen sticks out like a sore thumb. (Ralph, I'll bet you see it all in classic mid-century Gaggenau) Carports are sort of acceptable for mobile homes (now called manufactured homes) but not for million dollar + houses. It also looks like using the 210 Freeway is the only way in and out of the area. Like most Southern California and Bay Area freeways, it's a nightmare a good portion of every day and actually much worse than most.

 

PS...I have cleaning ladies because of my back, not because I can afford them. I'm half a notch above the poverty level.

 

 




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Post# 1101697 , Reply# 9   12/22/2020 at 21:23 (1,220 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
OMG!

I just loved this house, specially the bathtub!

There are some design flaws in this house but easily fixable.

1)The bathtub is gorgeous, just like the way I dream about, however, I didn't like the sharp edge on the corner immediately after the stairs. also, that's not the very best place for a HVAC vent.

2) They visibly spent a fortune to make that kitchen modern, at the same time respecting as much as possible from the past. And after everything, they put cheap Amazon under cabinet LED strips? They didn't even bother to hide the wiring or the power adapter? Nah, That's NOT acceptable.

3) That fern next to the fireplace. Ok, it somewhat matches mid century but they could just get rid of that and put a water feature there. Maybe a small pond? Actually, I saw two other water features, they could be connected to each other.

4) They remodeled the house and didn't install fire sprinklers! Come on, this is California! Land of stupid codes (but the mandatory fire sprinklers code isn't stupid at all) The new owner will soon have a very unpleasant notice when the deadline (that started in 2012) end in 2022. Fire sprinklers are MANDATORY all over CA. My landlord is already having nightmares because he knows it will cost over 50k dollars to have them installed here and in the front house otherwise both properties can be red tagged until they have the systems installed. By the way, this code started after the fire at the AON building in 1987 or 1988 (IDK exactly when) and dictated that 100% of structures in CA must be sprinklered. there were several tiers with different deadlines, starting by commercial buildings, then multi family homes, then single family homes (all new) and finally older buildings having to retrofit. The only buildings exempt are registered historical buildings >>>IF the retrofit causes significant alteration to the original design.<<< and in this case, alternative fire suppression systems must be used. After 30-something years, the deadline is very close for everybody.

5) It's in Burbank and it doesn't have external foam or slime bushfire sprinklers. (unless they did a great job to hide it very well). Gosh, do they really live in Burbank? Haven't they ever seen their neighbor's homes turning into giant cappuccinos with whipped cream or hidden under thousands of gallons of KY jelly?

6) Missing a hand shower in the bathtub. Really, spent so much and saved money on a silly hand shower? The bathtub filler could be on the ceiling.

7) Shower too small. They could've made the shower bigger, changed the bathtub design to fit a bigger shower, with a place to sit.. Then I'd add that Kohler state of the art steam thing and rain shower, jets on the walls, make it look like a car wash experience.

8) After all that money spent, they had to put the El Cheapo "beaten path" HGTV-style Homeless Depot toilet. Really? That house deserves nothing less than a Toto with that butt washer thingy that connects to Alexa, so the happy homeowner can say "Alexa, I've finished #2, now wash my butt".

9) Glacier Bay everywhere? Are you F-word kidding me? Kohler, baby, K-O-H-L-E-R. It's freaking expensive, I know. However, Kohler is Kohler, not that cheap crap. You can never go wrong with Kohler, you're getting what you paid for.

10) At least the fireplace is gas.

11) Least but not less important... Where's the huge area to have a monster collection of washers?


Post# 1101701 , Reply# 10   12/22/2020 at 22:12 (1,220 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
Have I missed something?

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I haven't heard anything about sprinklers being required in my 1922 single family home, and none of my friends and relatives who own homes have said one word about it either.

 

The average homeowner can't afford to do this.   If there was legislation passed, I'd like to know when, and how it wasn't met with huge protests and why there was zero news coverage across all forms of media.


Post# 1101703 , Reply# 11   12/22/2020 at 22:39 (1,220 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Here it is


Correction, retrofitting mandatory if you remodel 50% or more of the ceiling or install "floating" ceilings.
Multi family buildings.

Exception: if the ceiling retrofitting is needed only to meet ADA codes.

www.codepublishing.com/CA...

For NEW constructions, 100% of them, regardless of occupation type or size.

So the 100% mandatory is for NEW constructions.


Post# 1101709 , Reply# 12   12/23/2020 at 01:38 (1,220 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Thanks.  That makes much more sense.


Post# 1101745 , Reply# 13   12/23/2020 at 14:17 (1,219 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Joe, it's not that far to the 2 freeway, which carries traffic that is many orders of magnitude lighter than the 210.  I've spent time in Montrose, which offers the closest business district to this home.  It's pleasant and is often used in movies, TV, and commercials.  Unless a job required commuting, there would be little need to even venture onto either the 2 or the 210 on a regular basis. 

 

It's also very close to Descanso Gardens in Flintridge (see link below), which I visited for the first time back in September.  While not as lavish as the Huntington arboretum, museum and library complex in San Marino, it's a magical oasis with an interesting history and is run entirely by volunteers.  I highly recommend a visit, particularly when the massive "camellia forest" is in full bloom under an expanse of redwood trees.  Unfortunately, due to travel restrictions I won't be visiting for this spectacle in January as I had planned.

 

Regarding the wall oven, I wonder if maybe it has seen very little use over the past 66 years.  It does seem odd that it wasn't replaced.  At best, it's an interesting novelty but I have a feeling it won't survive much past the close of escrow.

 

I'd tell you not to even get me started again on Gaggenau, but what's done is done.  I discovered in my oven's user guide that there are supposed to be "latching lugs" on the rack that will prevent it from being pulled all the way out.  I spent hours trying to find more information about them on line and on the phone, but they don't appear in exploded views or on any parts lists, and of course, Gaggenau, in their arrogance, stops producing replacement parts for their products in alarmingly short order anyway, so I'm S.O.L.

 

One thing my research did reveal is that Gaggenau has been around for over 300 years!  That's 300 years longer than necessary IMO.

 

 



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Post# 1101756 , Reply# 14   12/23/2020 at 17:17 (1,219 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        
Ralph

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You know I'm just trying to "get your goat" when it comes to Gaggenau. I really know nothing about it except that it's very expensive. Based on that alone there must be something redeeming about it. I've been in that area before. It's attractive but like most areas anywhere down here you need to take  4  or 5 freeways to get anywhere, and according to that map, one of em's gonna be the 210. There's only 1 freeway where I live and I avoid it whenever possible, not because of traffic but because of my age (old geezers drive slow) and the average speed. You go 80 on I-10 (local freeway) and you  get run off the road for going too slow. It happened to me in my Corvette more than once. You go 80 on 280 in The Bay Area and chances are you're gonna get a ticket. 

 

One other thing to consider...with all that floor-to-ceiling glass (hopefully replaced with at least double-pane or your utility bills are going to be very high) it wouldn't be a good place for dog owners. You'd be forever cleaning up nose smudges though no fault of the pooch. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful house. But even here in Palm Springs where mid-century modern is all the rage, I prefer a style with a little more warmth to it. That place is screaming for an aluminum Christmas tree.


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Post# 1101763 , Reply# 15   12/23/2020 at 19:06 (1,219 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
Aluminum Tree

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With a pair of color wheels!


Post# 1101773 , Reply# 16   12/23/2020 at 21:25 (1,219 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
That place is screaming for an aluminum Christmas tree.

I miss aluminum Christmas trees. Putting together artificial trees was half the fun.

Now people go through this old fashioned ordeal of live trees:

Drive to the tree place, pick one out, tie it to the roof of the SUV, drag it in the house, sharp pine needles jabbing you.
Christmas over, drag it out of the house (more pine needles everywhere) and dump the used carcass at the curb, Ugh


Post# 1101774 , Reply# 17   12/23/2020 at 22:23 (1,219 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
The haters will hate me more, but I suspect . . .

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. . . there's a good chance they won't even see this post, so here goes.

 

Douglas, I emphatically agree.  The holiday season has become a hectic, stressful, commercialized vulgarization of its supposed true meaning for the supposed pious among us.  In my opinion, mockery is the best antidote, and aluminum is the best medium.


Post# 1101795 , Reply# 18   12/24/2020 at 06:37 (1,218 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Gaggenau

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Gaggenau was purchased in 1998 by BSH (Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte). Most ovens are Bosch/Siemens ovens with more features and in a design jacket. So maybe your issues are with European ovens rather than with the brand Gaggenau?

Post# 1101820 , Reply# 19   12/24/2020 at 11:51 (1,218 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Louis, I'm pretty sure my oven is of pre-Bosch vintage.  In my search for the latching lugs, I saw Bosch mentioned and was happy to see that a more competent entity was now behind the Gaggenau badge.

 

I love my Miele dishwasher and SEBO vacuum cleaner, btw.


Post# 1101842 , Reply# 20   12/24/2020 at 13:58 (1,218 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Oh I see. Don't know much about those vintage Gaggenau ovens. I remember seeing them, but no one in my surroundings had one.

Post# 1101848 , Reply# 21   12/24/2020 at 15:39 (1,218 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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That makes perfect sense Louis.  Everything Gaggenau is ridiculously overpriced. 

 

The person who chose the oven and cooktop for my house clearly didn't cook much, and simply wanted to impress others with her trophy kitchen.

 

I continue to pay the price for her highly expensive and lamentably poor decision.  The odd dimensions of both appliances make replacing them a costly endeavor.


Post# 1101850 , Reply# 22   12/24/2020 at 15:52 (1,218 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Odd dimensions

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There are several brands on the American market that sell European sized appliances for a reasonable price. Beko and Blomberg come to mind.

Post# 1101851 , Reply# 23   12/24/2020 at 16:24 (1,218 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Wood vs Masonry

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Masonry would be better in a fire, but remember, most of California is prone to earthquakes, and unless it's some sort of reinforced concrete, a masonry structure might crumble in a quake. This is a reason why wood is still preferred out here for most home construction. With proper landscaping and setbacks, the fire danger is minimized although of course it can't be assumed anything made of wood is fireproof. At least in a fire one usually has enough warning to escape alive (Paradise deaths notwithstanding), whereas one would not want to wake up buried under a rubble of bricks and stucco.

Other comments:

Aluminum Xmas trees: I remember when those came out in the 50's, to nearly universal scorn. I still don't like them; but on the other hand I haven't set up an Xmas tree of any sort here for about a decade or more.

Modernist housing design: I wouldn't mind living in a Frank Lloyd Wright designed home. But a lot of the "modern" looking homes, like the one in the link, simply look like they put modernism over habitability. I'd want an enclosed garage instead of that oversized carport contraption, as well. Give me a Craftsman bungalow over a modernist atrocity any day.

YMMV


Post# 1101922 , Reply# 24   12/25/2020 at 07:39 (1,217 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That is a pretty house, love the open-to-the-outdoors feel.   I hadn't noticed as many flaws that Thomas did on first glance, I'm taking him with me in any future house-hunting ;-).  I do love the kitchen, the original plywood cabinets are a treasure in themselves.  



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