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Thread Number: 85972
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Should I buy this G.E. GSD500D-03AW? |
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| Post# 1105270 1/20/2021 at 16:44 (1,191 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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Found this on FB Marketplace and was wondering if it was worth buying? They're asking $50. Not sure how old it is. | ||
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Post# 1105276 , Reply# 1 1/20/2021 at 16:59 (1,191 days old) by peteski50  (New York) |
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GE Dishwasher! | ||
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Post# 1105303 , Reply# 2 1/20/2021 at 19:29 (1,191 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- ) |
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GE bol dishwasher 
Are you wanting it for dishwashing purposes or to collect it as a vintage item?
It is a 1980's model at is a bottom line model. As Peteski50 stated, it does not have the passive filtration system, nor does it have the deluxe upper rack which does better at holding taller stemware/glassware and has dedicated spaces for bowls and saucers. If you need a cheap dishwasher, period, this is OK. It will wash fine, but not as well as the higher line General Electric models of the same vintage, the models above the 900 series. With that being said, this is a little overpriced. I would never pay $50 for it. When I volunteered for Habitat for Humanity, $20 was about as high as we could get for these GE BOL models. If you want a collectible, this item will probably never be considered collectible. If you want if for a daily driver, it's fine, but I would try to talk them down to about $20 or 25. Even better, wait until something better comes along for the same $50. I see better GE's, Whirlpool and Maytag's for around $50 everyday on FB Marketplace, even vintage ones. | ||
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Post# 1105317 , Reply# 3 1/20/2021 at 21:13 (1,191 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL) |
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| Post# 1105355 , Reply# 4 1/21/2021 at 07:34 (1,190 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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I need a dishwasher. Every review I've read for any new appliance is depressing, with most new ones seeming to last less than 5 years. | ||
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Post# 1105365 , Reply# 6 1/21/2021 at 10:16 (1,190 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Re: Reply #5 First house I bought had an early 1980s Frigidaire with no apparent filter, did more water changes to compensate. Shortly later I washed a skillet with residual ground beef that I didn't scrape much (per previous experience with my family's 1975 KitchenAid Imperial, which handled it fine). The Frigidaire left ground beef particulates on everything. I promptly bought a KitchenAid Superba. | ||
| Post# 1105368 , Reply# 7 1/21/2021 at 11:02 (1,190 days old) by maytaglvr (Columbia Heights Mn 55421) | ||
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TOL n Free Not sure where you are located but this is much nicer www.facebook.com/marketpl... | ||
| Post# 1105369 , Reply# 8 1/21/2021 at 11:09 (1,190 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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What about this one? And what would be a fair price? GE Nautilus gsd2230f01ww | ||
| Post# 1105370 , Reply# 9 1/21/2021 at 11:10 (1,190 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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I'm in Louisiana | ||
| Post# 1105372 , Reply# 10 1/21/2021 at 11:13 (1,190 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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I know that just because an appliance is old/older doesn't mean it's good. That's why I search for reviews when possible and ask for help here. | ||
| Post# 1105374 , Reply# 11 1/21/2021 at 11:21 (1,190 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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Or this one. Waiting for more info. All ad says is Kenmore.
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Post# 1105386 , Reply# 12 1/21/2021 at 12:32 (1,190 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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RE: reply #11 That looks like a WP-made machine. | ||
| Post# 1105391 , Reply# 13 1/21/2021 at 12:53 (1,190 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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Or this one. Whirlpool. CLICK HERE TO GO TO VintageLove's LINK | ||
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Post# 1105395 , Reply# 14 1/21/2021 at 13:23 (1,190 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- ) |
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vintage DW's
There is not one thing wrong with the GE you posted, its just BOL and doesn't have some of the capabilities of higher level GE's.
My parents has a similar GE, about ten years older, it was a next to the TOL Potscrubber. It had, basically, the same wash system, however, and similar racks, just a few more cycles to give an extended wash, etc. It washed quite well. We had a Modern Maid (D&M) previous to the GE. The GE washed rings around the Modern Maid, and my mom exclaimed, shortly after we got the GE, "I never knew a dishwasher could be so good!" It did not have the food filter as the one you posted does not but it did a very good job. You would like it. Yes you can get the better deluxe rack, but you can still hold plenty of dishes in that rack. It might be nice to have some sound insulation and an exstended cycle for pots/pans. But for a good basic machine, that GE is fine.a The point is, it's too expensive for it's age and being BOL. For the same 50 you can get an upper level GE with the filter which will give you slightly shinier dishes. I have had both. I prefer the filtered models, but the unfiltered still do a good job. Better than many other brands. The GSD 2230, if I recall, also does not have the passive filtration. But it does have a slightly better wash arm, and it has the "Hot Start" option if you have a long run from your hot water tank to your kitchen, or your water is not as hot as you would like it. It also has the extended wash. But aesthetically, you have a yellowed control panel which doesn't look too good, and you have the same top rack as in the BOL you posted. It will still do a good job, overall, however. But that doen't mean you can't do better for similar costs. If you are not in a hurry, keep looking. I have many back issues of Consumer Reports if you find something and want me to give you the comparative ratings, just ask. No matter what brand, the killers for all dishwashers are: 1.) hard water (hardness above about 12 grains per gallon TDS (total dissolved solids) will show in your dishwasher performance. When you get into the 20's and higher TDS you are binding your detergent molecules with the calclium so you will get reduced washing performance and you may get calcium (calcite) spots remaining on your glassware and flatware...possibly even with a rinse agent. 2.) Water entering your dishwasher less than 120 deg F. I can't tell you how many people I know who set their hot water tanks at 120 deg F and then complain about washing ability of their machine. Water must ENTER your machine at least at a temp of 120 deg F. A typical home sees an average of 8 deg to 12 drop in temperature as water flows through the household plumbing. Using a cooking thermometer and check your water temperature at the sink closest to your dishwasher and it runs for awhile. Set your water heater so it is at least 120 coming out of the faucets. (I keep so so water at the machine is 134 deg F) Also flush cold water before you start the machine (unless you have GE's "Hot Start.) 3.) Cheap or poorly formulated detergent. Look in Consumer Reports and get a decent DW detergent. Pennywise is pound foolish and buying a cheap store brand detergent or otherwise poor performer will not be doing you or you dishwasher any favors. There are some exceptions, but Consumer Reports found, in general, the best performers were the packets/tablets. Powders tended to be middling and, in general, the gels were at the bottom...as were many of the "ecology" brands. I like Cascade Platinum 16X, Finish Powerball Max-In-One, and Finish Quantum. All seem to work well in a variety of water chemistries and good are removing most food residue. I alternate between these three. Check Consumer Reports for the most recent tests. Many on this site have their favorite machines, so do I. There are many, many good machines, especially vintage ones that will do an amazing job for you. Mind the three things above, Soft water, Hot water and Quality Detergent and your machine will thank you. | ||
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Post# 1105419 , Reply# 15 1/21/2021 at 16:10 (1,190 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Dishwasher Detergent As discussed in other threads, I've tried only Cascade Platinum packs/pods/whatever. Can't use them, cause so much sudsing that 1) the spray pump gets starved for water which leads to 2) reduced spray force and volume and 3) the spray arm rotation gets bogged-down in the suds. Perhaps another brand/formula would work but I don't like that the dosage can't be controlled as it can be with powders. | ||
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Post# 1105438 , Reply# 16 1/21/2021 at 20:00 (1,190 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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There is nothing wrong with the dishwasher except that it is a BOLPOS. Don't buy trouble unless you like to put a lot of effort into preparing dishes before loading them and are willing to wash certain items by hand because they will not fit and/or will block water to the upper rack. | ||
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Post# 1105501 , Reply# 17 1/22/2021 at 11:02 (1,189 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- ) |
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Ge dishwasher
It's a good machine, VintageLove. the GE BOL has a soft-food waste disposer. We had our GE tower wash, with basically the same washing system as the one you posted, for a little over seven years, it did quite well. No pre-rinsing required at all.
The tub eventually got a rust hole is why it was replaced. The GE in your picture has a polymer tub and that solves that problem. The only problems caused by it being the BOL unit, is lack of sound insulation and no extended wash (such as the Pot Scrubber Cycle) which doesn't matter unless you do lots of pots/pans with baked on material. If you do then, yes, take your fifty dollars get a higher line Pot Scrubber model. As far as the tower washer. I love GE's tower wash as you don't have to worry about tall items such as knives or spatulas or tall serving plates blocking the upper wash arm and preventing the upper rack from getting washed cleanly. It really gives easy and flexible loading....and really cleans glassware well. The upper rack on the BOL was the same on my mom's, next to the TOP, and it holds a lot and is very flexible. The biggest difference between it and the deluxe rack is depth. If you have extra tall stemware. My mom had crystal stemware but it wasn't the extra tall you see but standard and it fit in fine. In capacity there is really very little difference. I've been performance test dishwashers for almost forty years. In the houses I live in the underside of the cabinet deteriorates because of all the dishwashers mounting screws going in and out, ha. So I have to replace the strip of wood below the countertop often. I have had more GE tower dishwashers than any brand. They are good solid performers...reliable and easy to repair with flexible and easy loading. check your local Habitat for Humanity, and other local thrift stores as well as Craigslist and FB Marketplace. If I knew where you lived I, and others, could look for you. I just saw a Maytag Reverse Rack for FRRE that is in good shape (Reverse Rack refers to the fact you put plates on the top rack and glassware on the bottom.) There was also GE 2800 that was 25 dollars. It was GE's star-performer tower wash. Got the #1 rating in Consumer Reports one year. One of the early all electronic models. Looking at the later seventies, through 1980's through early nineties, depending on the year GE Tower Wash, Maytag Reverse Rack, Kitchen-Aid and Whirlpool all rated in the top echelon's of dishwashers. All good machines. I like them all and have had multiples of each. They each have their own cool personalities. They are all good machines, because each has differing features or specific operating characteristics, we have all developed our personal favorites. As far as what you get, a lot depends of if you really would like a classic/vintage machine or you just want a dishwasher, period. | ||
| Post# 1105513 , Reply# 19 1/22/2021 at 12:44 (1,189 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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And I have medium water, if that's a thing. Our water comes from underground springs and isn't soft and isn't hard. Not sure what to call it. | ||
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Post# 1105516 , Reply# 20 1/22/2021 at 13:21 (1,189 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- ) |
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water softness
Is it a public "city" water supply or is your that your individual home which draws from the springs?
With your water being sourced from an "underground spring" you are likely to have moderate amounts of dissolved calcium. As water flows through the aquifer (rock formation underground that yields water) it literally dissolved the rock. It depends how long your water has been in the aquifer. We call it "residence time." Depth, thickness of aquifer, location of area of recharge, etc. can all affect hardness. So just saying you have underground springs does allow us to specifically state your water hardness. Public water supplies using surface waters, such as rivers and lakes, are generally are substantially softer. It's quite possible you could benefit from a softener. If you can't get the information on your harness value from your utility, many of the home improvement stores, who sell softener, have home test kits. Dishwashers tend to be affected more by water hardness than other appliances. Rinse agents can help prevent spots if the water is only moderately hard. They mainly help prevent spotting from mineral deposits, but they don't help actually in cleaning dishes in the washing process. Unfortunately, detergents and hard water don't get along. Hard water can greatly reduce what your detergent is able to do. Below you can see a chart of hardness. In Oak Ridge, we had hardness of 10, and the dishwasher worked fine. The rinse agent prevent any spots. But when I finally put a softener in there was a noticeable difference in sparkle, especially of the glasses. But the dishwashers I had did just fine even before putting the softener it. But I am one of those that really like glisten and sparkle so I went ahead with the softener. It helped with the laundry and keeping the bathroom fixtures clean, anyway. In my area of Ohio, where I used to live, we had hardness in the range of 24+ grains per gallon. You really needed a softener there. White calcite deposits were not only left on the dishes, but eventually even built up inside the machine over time.
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| Post# 1105601 , Reply# 21 1/23/2021 at 01:03 (1,189 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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My city water comes from underground springs. That's all I know. The city pumps it into the water tower & out it goes. Oh, there's something about magnesium in the water left inside the pipes which discolores the water once in a great while. | ||
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Post# 1105625 , Reply# 22 1/23/2021 at 09:54 (1,188 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- ) |
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Had water
That's all you need to know, that you water is publicly supplied. Just call your utility (their number should be on your water bill, or look online or in the phone book.) Ask then for your water hardness in "grains per gallon." If they say they don't know because they only measure Total Dissolved Solids (TDS), then have them give you the TDS. I'll convert it to grains per gallons for you and then we'll see
what we can do to help you in that regard. So far from what you have posted, I think the Whirlpool is the bottom choice. It got a poor performance rating from Consumer Reports. Whirlpool made some wonderful dishwashers, but the particular model is their BOL (BOL is not necessarily bad) but in this case, the wash system is not the same as their higher line models. It has the standard upper rack similar to the BOL GE. A higher line Whirlpool would be a good choice for you.. The BOL GE uses the same wash system (minus one component, the power shower) as their top of the line units. It has a soft food waste disposer needs no pre-rinsing. It's a good basic solid machine, great for everyday loads. However, its loud and doesn't have an extended cycle for pots and pans and if you cook like I do (a mess) then you might want the Pot Scrubber model, if yo choose to go with GE. This one is overpriced. If you can talk them down to $20 you might want to get it. The higher line GE (the all white model you posted) is an upgrade from the other GE. So it is probably a better choice for you. It doest have the extended wash which will do better on pots and pans. Still, it doesn't have the filter, but has the food waste disposer, and this model has a stouter cutter on the food waste disposer. The deluxe upper rack has one side that is deeper so it will hold very tall stemware or other tall items on that side. The short side allows for taller items on the lower rack beneath it. With the tower wash you never have to have to worry about blocking the upper wash arm with tall utensils or plates. Just remember not to lay something over the tower opening on the lower rack. If you are not in a hurry, keep looking. Dishwashers are a frequently posted item on FB Marketplace and Craigslist. You might find a higher line Whirlpool, GE, Kitchen-Aid or Maytag come along soon. Any of the three you posted will wash dishes and could be a starter machine for you. But all have their limitations and idiosyncrasies (just like people.) But if you have the time to wait a bit we might find a real classic high performer for you. In the meantime, you can be checking on your water chemistry and making sure your hot water is coming out of the kitchen tap at least 120 deg F. Sometimes one of our members will sell some of their machines, as well, and may have one for you. I would happily give one one of mine, but we are quite a ways apart. | ||
| Post# 1105630 , Reply# 23 1/23/2021 at 10:18 (1,188 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
hard water... | ||
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Post# 1105631 , Reply# 24 1/23/2021 at 10:21 (1,188 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- ) |
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Had water
That's all you need to know, that you water is publicly supplied. Just call your utility (their number should be on your water bill, or look online or in the phone book.) Ask then for your water hardness in "grains per gallon." If they say they don't know because they only measure Total Dissolved Solids (TDS), then have them give you the TDS. I'll convert it to grains per gallons for you and then we'll see
what we can do to help you in that regard. So far from what you have posted, I think the Whirlpool is the bottom choice. It got a poor performance rating from Consumer Reports. Whirlpool made some wonderful dishwashers, but the particular model is their BOL (BOL is not necessarily bad) but in this case, the wash system is not the same as their higher line models. It has the standard upper rack similar to the BOL GE. A higher line Whirlpool would be a good choice for you.. The BOL GE uses the same wash system (minus one component, the power shower) as their top of the line units. It has a soft food waste disposer needs no pre-rinsing. It's a good basic solid machine, great for everyday loads. However, its loud and doesn't have an extended cycle for pots and pans and if you cook like I do (a mess) then you might want the Pot Scrubber model, if yo choose to go with GE. This one is overpriced. If you can talk them down to $20 you might want to get it. The higher line GE (the all white model you posted) is an upgrade from the other GE. So it is probably a better choice for you. It doest have the extended wash which will do better on pots and pans. Still, it doesn't have the filter, but has the food waste disposer, and this model has a stouter cutter on the food waste disposer. The deluxe upper rack has one side that is deeper so it will hold very tall stemware or other tall items on that side. The short side allows for taller items on the lower rack beneath it. With the tower wash you never have to have to worry about blocking the upper wash arm with tall utensils or plates. Just remember not to lay something over the tower opening on the lower rack. The Kenmore, for 50 dollars, if that is a Whirlpool made machine, would be a good choice. It has an extended cycle for Pots/Pans and if in cood condition will do a nice job for you. For the money, it is probably the best choice of what we have seen. However, I would ask the seller to post some pictures of the interior before making a purchase, though. Is $50 your price setpoint? If you are not in a hurry, keep looking. Dishwashers are a frequently posted item on FB Marketplace and Craigslist. You might find a higher line Whirlpool, GE, Kitchen-Aid or Maytag come along soon. Any of the four you posted will wash dishes and could be a starter machine for you. But all have their limitations and idiosyncrasies (just like people.) But if you have the time to wait a bit we might find a real classic high performer for you. In the meantime, you can be checking on your water chemistry and making sure your hot water is coming out of the kitchen tap at least 120 deg F. Sometimes one of our members will sell some of their machines, as well, and may have one for you. I would happily give one one of mine, but we are quite a ways apart. | ||
| Post# 1105689 , Reply# 25 1/23/2021 at 23:00 (1,188 days old) by VintageLove (USA) | ||
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I'm not stuck on $50. It seems to be a popular figure around here. Except for the ones wanting $100 - $300 for a broken machine. I'm not in any particular hurry. I wonder how much shipping a dishwasher would cost? | ||
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Post# 1161748 , Reply# 26 10/14/2022 at 21:52 (559 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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GSD500D-03AW
Hands down the longest lasting, most durable dishwasher ever built, bar none. These were replaced not because they broke, but because they were considered dated in the eyes of the ignorant.
None, not one of the post 1990 GE models lasted anywhere near as long as this machine let alone any other dishwasher ever produced. It was this and several other 80s model that catapulted GE's appliance division into success and has proven to humanity that everything can come from nothing. Obviously its been sold by now, but considering the minty interior it has been lightly used I would have gobbled it up without hesitation. Only thing that would need to be done would be bypassing or adding in a new heat selection switch. Changing to the new sump and motor design would improve washing and rinsing if desired. But honestly the original pump assembly would probably outlast a new OEM pump and motor. The whole wash/rinse cycle is 50 minutes total and a nice long continuous 35 minute dry is a win-win you won't find in any modern machine. This exact same model and timer sequence could have stayed into production until at least 2022. Lastly this machine has the most beautiful, elegant, simple, common sense, and mathematically perfect timer sequence and wiring diagram every created for an automatic dishwasher if not any major appliance ever made hands down nothing coming remotely close. And believe me as I've seen to many... imgur.com/a/0GHH2eI... imgur.com/a/dI2Cisn... | ||
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Post# 1161750 , Reply# 27 10/14/2022 at 23:14 (559 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Not Ancient Not Old Not Ugly
Common theme everywhere around 80s permatuff GEs. "its just old" but "still works"
www.reddit.com/r/Plumbing... You don't even see this with Hobart Kitchen-Aids. Owners have no idea they're substituting the ultimate dependability jackpot for the polar opposite of obsolesce, complexity, defects, flimsiness, price gouging, and just substantially worse wash performance. I'm at the point where I don't think I will take anything for granted. The rest of humanity may one day understand this when its to late. You don't know what you have until you don't have it anymore. | ||
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