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Thread Number: 86021
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Maytag helical or orbital transmission? |
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Post# 1105783 1/25/2021 at 10:46 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1  (Kentucky) |
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Which of the two Maytag trannies do you guys think is better? Helical has a slow 180 degree stoke, while the orbital has a fast 90 degree stroke. Helical is a traditional tried and true design, while the orbital is extremely simple, only has two gears, and uses less oil.
Unless someone has done so already, I plan to test the effectiveness of these two transmissions on different load sizes using Maytag's four main agitator designs (Power Fin, Shark Fin, Shark Fin II, and Load Sensor) once I am able to expand my very limited collection, which honestly won't be anytime soon. | ||
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Post# 1105784 , Reply# 1 1/25/2021 at 11:29 (1,187 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1105788 , Reply# 2 1/25/2021 at 11:40 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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Post# 1105802 , Reply# 3 1/25/2021 at 12:54 (1,187 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1105806 , Reply# 4 1/25/2021 at 13:22 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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My Dependable Care with the orbital tranny and Shark Fin II agitator kinda struggles with large loads. Out of the three Maytag single piece agitator designs, I firmly believe that Shark Fin II was the best and I'm willing to bet the reason it struggles with large loads is the short stroke of the orbital. Has anyone ever tried this agitator with the long stroke pitman tranny?
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| Post# 1105808 , Reply# 5 1/25/2021 at 13:32 (1,187 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 1105814 , Reply# 6 1/25/2021 at 14:15 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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Not called Shark Fin II?
Are you sure? I've seen a few people call this thing a Shark Fin II, but I guess they could be wrong. Did Maytag actually make an agitator called Shark Fin II that I confused for this?
My guess would be Power Fin 12, but I'm just gonna call it a 12 vein from now on until a Maytag expert comes and gives a solid definite answer. I can't find a picture of what I presume to be the Shark Fin I agitator to confirm if I got that right. From what I can remember, it is very similar to the blue Power Fin but is white and has four triangular fins on the shaft that get longer towards the bottom. I've only seen like two or three pictures of this agitator and it's been quite a while so forgive me if I'm just completely wrong. | ||
| Post# 1105822 , Reply# 7 1/25/2021 at 15:08 (1,187 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
Power Flex 12
Pictures I downloaded years ago courtesy of gadgetgary. The next pic is the early version agitator which I prefer using in orbital machines. The Powerflex 12 makes a racket which is personally annoying and I find the wider fins impede rollover and are harsher on materials being washed. The early style agitator is quiet in operation, like its older granddaddy Powerfin.
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Post# 1105824 , Reply# 8 1/25/2021 at 15:30 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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| Post# 1105828 , Reply# 9 1/25/2021 at 16:14 (1,187 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Have you tried it in a pitman tranny? | ||
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Post# 1105829 , Reply# 10 1/25/2021 at 16:21 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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Clothes didn't move for 10 minutes | ||
| Post# 1105830 , Reply# 11 1/25/2021 at 16:33 (1,187 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Are you sure you didn't overload it by chance? | ||
| Post# 1105832 , Reply# 12 1/25/2021 at 16:42 (1,187 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I knew it was called PowerFlex 12 and the agitator before that was just called PowerFin. They never called their agitators "SharkFin". The agitator that was in the 6 gear Pitman transmission washer was called PowerFin as well. Now the agitator that came after the PowerFlex 12 was called LoadSensor and it was dual action. Now you want to talk about turnover of a load.
Now I agree a PowerFin agitator that was used on the 6 gear Pitman transmission when put into an Orbital transmission washer will turn a load over rather quickly because of the larger vanes at the base. I have tried using a PowerFlex 12 in my 613 when I had it and the results were interesting but not spectacular at all. Your milage may vary. | ||
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Post# 1105834 , Reply# 13 1/25/2021 at 17:18 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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Well I might be acquiring an 80's Fabric-Matic soon. No idea what year or what condition it's in atm. All I know is it's been sitting in the corner of the basement my friends are renting with a newer he machine hooked up to the only washing machine hookup there is and that it has the classic blue PowerFin. Hopefully it has the Pitman tranny so I could experiment.
As for that newer PowerFin with the four triangular veins on the shaft, thank you for correcting me. I know this isn't the correct name but I'll just call it PowerFin II for the sake of differentiating the two designs. | ||
| Post# 1105836 , Reply# 14 1/25/2021 at 17:59 (1,187 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Hopefully it has the Pitman tranny so I could experiment. | ||
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Post# 1105837 , Reply# 15 1/25/2021 at 18:05 (1,187 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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Orbitals made their debut in Aug of '89 | ||
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Post# 1105857 , Reply# 16 1/25/2021 at 23:37 (1,186 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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I will go with the Pitman transmission-hate the fast short stroke versions-like trying to wash clothes in a blender. | ||
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Post# 1105891 , Reply# 18 1/26/2021 at 11:21 (1,186 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Oribtal Vs Pitman Maytag Transmission There was a thread about this recently, One member had both types SXS in his home laundry and said the Orbital did a little better job turning over a load,
Clearly the winner for performance is a orbital with a load sensor agitator for best cleaning, least wear on clothing and largest capacity, If you want a better performing washer than that get a WP built BD or DD machine.
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Post# 1105899 , Reply# 19 1/26/2021 at 12:42 (1,186 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn) |
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Post# 1106418 , Reply# 22 1/31/2021 at 23:45 (1,180 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn) |
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Post# 1106434 , Reply# 23 2/1/2021 at 10:24 (1,180 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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The orbital tranny with Powerflex was an awful washer.
Respectfully, I completely disagree with this. My '94 Dependable Care has been my daily driver my entire life, and it has always done a fantastic job, and has never twisted anything up in a rope. The only washer I have that has ever done that is my '86 Filter Flo with the ramped agitator, and it always twists my jeans up. I assume it's because I haven't figured out how to properly load them yet and not a fault with the machine itself.
However, I will agree that the rinse cycle is too short. | ||
| Post# 1107423 , Reply# 24 2/9/2021 at 23:04 (1,171 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
I also had both...
I didn't like the pitman at all. I thought it was rougher on clothes. I now am using an orbital and love it. Just like with the pitman, I never use the extra large load setting. Neither the Power Fin nor the Power Fin 12 can really handle the full extra large load, and the rinsing then is awful. I recently got a Load Sensor, and THAT made a HUGE positive impact with large loads, but I haven't tested it with extra large loads.
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