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Post# 1113007   3/28/2021 at 12:21 (1,124 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Is anybody building a new computer, upgrading, or hanging on to what we have?





Post# 1113011 , Reply# 1   3/28/2021 at 13:47 (1,124 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Never had a desktop, probably never will

But with current priceing and availability, building yourself is a rather bad idea IMO.

Chip shortages are projected to resolve in 12-24 months.

If not immediately necessary, wait it out.


Post# 1113012 , Reply# 2   3/28/2021 at 13:47 (1,124 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I'm hoping to hang onto my dell laptop which is probably about 5 or 6 years old now. It seems after the last update my finger print login is being temperamental. It works fine two or three times then doesn't and I have to enter my password to unock it.. Other times pages won't load completely. It's not that I don't have enough space either because I have the operating system on the SSD drive and most everything else is on the hard drive which is less than half full. As well my touchpad for the cursor is now so supersensitive that it's also giving me grief even though I went into the settings and adjusted it , it just won't.. I feel like they do this intentionally to get you to buy a new one

Post# 1113013 , Reply# 3   3/28/2021 at 13:56 (1,124 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

That sounds either like an operating system issue.
Have you re-installed Windows in the 5-6 years?

Might help.



The fingerprint thing might be an easy fix by just erasing all learned prints and retraining them.

I use Windows Hello on my laptop and did so on my last 2 Surface devices.

That gets temperamental every now and then and retraining the face recognition helps sometimes.


Post# 1113023 , Reply# 4   3/28/2021 at 14:24 (1,124 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        
Building is a bad...

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The parts shortages have been a royal pain in the Azz!  

A whole lot has changed over the years and I've waited too long to refurbish my out-of-touch office PC. The constant freezing has made my web surfing a total nightmare.

And when they said to buy a new PC every 3-5 years, it is so true up to a point. Older hardware cannot keep up with the new media and with parts being so scarce I've had no choice but to pull the trigger on what available today.

The three major components that I want are either not available or priced well over the MSRP which makes no sense to purchase at this time. The next move is to buy a prebuilt that has all the components that are not available when sold separately. This market has crashed because of cryptocurrency and the pandemic making it hard for DYI'r pc building.

 

Henrik,

reinstalling windows did not solve BSOD or freezing.

I think the old AMD FX-9590 is done.  Bulldozer was OK when it came out but had too many issues to keep up with Intel.

My step-down AMD FX-8350 machine outshines the 9590 by leaps and bounds and holding up better for being a bedroom PC.




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Post# 1113050 , Reply# 5   3/28/2021 at 18:26 (1,124 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I don't know if I agree.

 

I've been  building computers since the early 90s,  both personal and for office use.  At this point I have 3 laptops around te house that I use all the time, and these are all at least 12 years old if not more.  Zero issues browsing the net and doing basic stuff.  Been replacing HDs with SSDs over time best $30-50 I've spent.

 

My main desktop is 4 to 5 years old, I did pop in more memory last year now up to 16g.  It runs 24/7, streams Pandora 24/7 to feed around the house, helps with my tinnitus.  It also run Channels DVR to record OTA TV, and PLEX- no issues. Works great with anything I throw at it.

 

The one reason it works so well?  I  DO NOT USE WINDOWS!  Unless you need to use some rare proprietary obscure software there is no need for windows.  Linux works great and can do anything windows can for free.  Lose Windows and most of your problems with older equipment will go away. Put linux Mint of a USB drive and try it.




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Post# 1113052 , Reply# 6   3/28/2021 at 18:55 (1,124 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

My newest laptop is 9 years old. I use Linux Ubuntu. My Lenovo X200s (which is apparently the laptop equivalent of the old Nokia 3300) has 8GB of RAM, as does my Lenovo T430s and DellE6510. The X200s and the Dell both dual boot to Windows, which I rarely need. 

 

The first thing I'd do is max out your RAM. Second would be to install Ubuntu or similar Linux system. The third would be to get a faster disc.

 

But I agree with Matt: Once you go Linux you never go back :-)

 


Post# 1113055 , Reply# 7   3/28/2021 at 19:06 (1,123 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

One thing I forgot to mention - I'm posting this on an old Macbook Pro circa 2005.  I'm running Lubuntu on it,  light weight fully functional version of Ubuntu- with no additional memory.  2g of ram does it


Post# 1113063 , Reply# 8   3/28/2021 at 19:48 (1,123 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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My first computer build was in 2006 and that system is in my gym running windows 10.  It's a slow old man with the classic and most wanted AMD CPU FX-60 chip to this date. All of my builds have been AMD machines. My first commercial PC was the Compaq Presario 5832 which was much slower than my build and tech support has trained me to deal with software issues for that time. After dealing with windows for many years it does not bother me with slight glitches when service packs were issued. Every windows upgrade had issues and now window 10 is very stable. Don't get me wrong, windows update can screw older PCs or make certain PC hardware bricks because it does not have the correct drivers for it to work.


Post# 1113066 , Reply# 9   3/28/2021 at 20:30 (1,123 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

If you're just doing basic stuff you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't try Mint or it's base OS Ubuntu.  With Mint the learning curve is very small and you will notice a MUCH snappier system. Plus you are not dealing with anti virus crap and hours long updates that take over your system. 


Post# 1113071 , Reply# 10   3/28/2021 at 20:53 (1,123 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Matt, I'm considering doing a dual OS build.

Currently, Windows 10 update has improved and it does not take forever to install service packs like Windows7.

Even if I were to do a clean install it takes half the time to get my system up and running.

Over the years I've enhanced where I load my software onto my SSDs so I do not have to do complete downloads of programs which is a time saver. Back in the days a complete install of Windows and software would take up to 6 hours to complete, now it's 3 hours or less to get my desktop up and running.


Post# 1113075 , Reply# 11   3/28/2021 at 21:25 (1,123 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Wow, 3 hours,  I did a fresh install of Mint in about 8 or 10 minutes. You must be installing more than just Windows.  A few months back my HD  was acting up and I picked up an SSD from AZ.  We had planned on playing Scategories via Zoom and just then the HD died, I had it up and running in  minutes.


Post# 1113076 , Reply# 12   3/28/2021 at 21:27 (1,123 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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What I wanted to do was to future proof my next build for a couple of years and only upgrade the GPU. The 3080Ti & 3090 GPUs will be released later this spring/summer which will be a paper launch and will be unavailable to the consumers because of reasons up above. I'm cutting corners by using my very old case, new EVGA 1200 power supply, and reusing current SSDs.

The Motherboard, CPU, and Ram are the star of the show, it's not what I really want but will have to do because of limited online suppliers, price, and worldwide shipping delivery which is a logistic nightmare on top of the Sh--sandwich.

 

Wanted:  

 

ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero AMD Motherboard

AMD Ryzen 5950X

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080, 3080Ti , or 3090

DDR4 Ram  

 

Taking sloppy seconds:

 

MSI Meg Unify B550

AMD 3950 CPU

DDR4 3600 G.SKILL Trident Z Neo (For AMD Ryzen) Series 64GB (4 x 16GB)

2   M.2-2280   970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 500GB & 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 1TB

(Unavailable GeForce RTX 3080, 3080 Ti, or 3090) Reusing my current EVGA GTX 1080 Fe 

So building a new PC today is frustrating, my first taste of PC parts backlog when I've purchased my EVGA Super 1660 back on 12/1/2019.           


Post# 1113078 , Reply# 13   3/28/2021 at 21:35 (1,123 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
Linux on USB

Hi Larry

I currently use a windows 10 machine that was my Dad's, but I don't use windows, I use Linux on a USB stick and boot up from the USB.

I am currently using Solus Linux.

It is very intuitive and easy to use.

My idea was to run Linux without disturbing the existing windows 10 installation.

However I haven't used the windows more than maybe once in the last year so I intend to delete windows and put the Linux on the SSD hard drive.

I quite like Solus Linux but I might go back to Mint next time?

the advantage of having Linux on USB is you can have a few different distros of Linux on different USB sticks, and see which one suits you best.



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Post# 1113080 , Reply# 14   3/28/2021 at 21:37 (1,123 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Yes, Mattl,

unboxing software is time-consuming, and when it's done correctly very few problems happen.

I'm a power surfer and I sometimes have up to 15 browser tabs open at any given time. LOL.

Life on the net is very educational.


Post# 1113082 , Reply# 15   3/28/2021 at 21:49 (1,123 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Chris,

I've bookmarked your link and I will put it to use very soon.

Thanks for the link.

 

Windows is easy yet complicated when settings must be laid out according to the user's needs.

My desktop is clean, yet my taskbar is cluttered.

 


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Post# 1113093 , Reply# 16   3/29/2021 at 01:36 (1,123 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I used to build my own computers. Would go to places like Fry's and get motherboards, memory, drives, etc, and a tower case.

But about five years ago I got tired of that and realized prices on well designed towers at Costco were about the same as I would spend doing it myself. I've had this Intel 7 Dell XPS tower since then, running windows 10. I think it cost me about $800 (or less, can't recall now) but worth every penny. Plenty of memory, disk space, and it's relatively quiet and efficient.

Oh, and I get my notebook computers at Costco as well. Toshiba, generally.



Post# 1113130 , Reply# 17   3/29/2021 at 13:50 (1,123 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I have 10-12 tabs open on the little old 2G memory MacBook Pro and it functions fine.

 

As for running Linux on a USB stick, I don't know Solaris, but the only version I'm aware of having persistence is Ubuntu, and for me it's been spotty. But then I've been using live versions, I've never tried installing to a USB drive, that would be a different story.


Post# 1113205 , Reply# 18   3/30/2021 at 08:18 (1,122 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Matt

Not Solaris. Solus.

Full install to USB drive, works much faster than a live DVD.


Post# 1113710 , Reply# 19   4/4/2021 at 14:22 (1,117 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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Chris,

How much space does Linux use?


Post# 1113749 , Reply# 20   4/4/2021 at 22:43 (1,116 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Larry

sorry but that is one of those questions like "how long is a piece of string?"

There are many many distros (distributions) of Linux and most of those are available in a number of versions. Some versions are tailored to using minimum resources and are great for older or low-spec systems. Other versions are "all bells and whistles" and need more ram and take up more space.

Distros all have a DE (Desktop Environment) which is the interface you see on the screen to interact with all the code you don't see in the background. Most distros offer a choice of DE, the most full-featured DE is generally thought to be KDE, but it uses more resources. I tend to go for XFCE (I believe it is pronounced "X-Face") as a great compromise with light use of system resources and still full features and very intuitive to use. So I would suggest you have a try with Linux Mint XFCE, or another distro with an XFCE option. (Solus doesn't offer XFCE, but its default DE, Budgie, is similar to use.)

 

I'm currently using Solus Linux off a 64Gb USB drive, it is taking up 16Gb on that drive. That isn't just the OS, that is all software and my stored files. (I store most of my files on other USB sticks.)

 

Solus would also be a good first distro to try. It is very easy to use, it automatically detected my two printers and set them up with no input from me. (after it found the wifi network and asked me for the password.) I have two Brother printers, one laser and one inkjet, both  connected through wifi, and Brother support for Linux isn't great. HP is the best for Linux drivers, and most popular distros come with the HP Linux driver suite  pre installed, so it detects your HP printer and sets it up. Solus Linux detected my Brother printers and set them up as "driverless" printers so I didn't have to go through the hassle of downloading drivers from Brother and installing them - it is a pain with Brother printers on Linux, more so than Windows.

 

I'm thinking of changing back to Linux Mint as Solus lacks a few pieces of software I liked on Mint, but Solus would be a good place to start.

as I suggested before, I'd start installing a couple of different Linux distros on large-ish USB sticks (one per USB drive) and boot from them, a 32 Gb drive should be big enough. Most distros have an online forum where you can ask questions.

 

Distrowatch is the starting place where you can see which distros are most popular at present, and can find links to each distro. I have linked it below. Look at the column on the right, that is the ranking of currently most popular distros.  MX, Manjaro, Mint are top 3 when I linked. You can click on any Distro name to get more info about it. Then look for "Desktop" to see what desktop environments are available in that distro.

 

If you like my idea of trying it installed to a USB stick so you don't mess up your Windows installation, make sure that you are installing to the USB stick, you don't want to accidentally erase your windows installation by installing to the hard drive.surprised



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Post# 1114383 , Reply# 21   4/12/2021 at 03:21 (1,109 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I hate Dell! My last hospital and current one both use Dell. They are all the time breaking down. My home desktop is a Gateway. First one was a Gateway that lasted at least 10 years. This one is pushing it now...hope it keeps on trucking. Tony's laptop is an HP. Works fine I just don't care for laptops.

Post# 1114535 , Reply# 22   4/13/2021 at 11:54 (1,108 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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I had heard that a lot that people hate Dell!
It's because customer service has dropped to an all-time low during the early 2000s, and when you said "Gateway,"
I had to see if they were in business and they are.

Last year I made a big stink on the LTT YT comments section about Thermaltake customer service and they decided to do their own survey on how customer service deals with customers. LOL.
I was pissed off with Thermaltake customer service and LTT done a good job what happens when we call.

I hope your pc continues to work Greg for being 10 years.









Post# 1114544 , Reply# 23   4/13/2021 at 13:35 (1,108 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I'm not a

gaymer. My Dell works fine. It's not new, at least 7-10 yrs? An XPS series duocore. It's hubby's hand me down, my second. The last one did need a hard drive well after a decade.


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