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Thread Number: 86739
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Indexing or Non-Indexing Tubs? |
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| Post# 1113165 3/29/2021 at 20:14 (1,123 days old) by UltraWash (Charlotte, North Carolina ) | ||
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What’s your preference when it comes to tub index and why? | ||
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| Post# 1113168 , Reply# 1 3/29/2021 at 20:36 (1,123 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1113188 , Reply# 2 3/30/2021 at 00:15 (1,123 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 1113278 , Reply# 4 3/30/2021 at 23:38 (1,122 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
"A Speed Queen tub “indexes” and still provides excellent turnover"
Negative. CLICK HERE TO GO TO qsd-dan's LINK | ||
| Post# 1113282 , Reply# 5 3/31/2021 at 00:35 (1,122 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 1113283 , Reply# 6 3/31/2021 at 00:39 (1,122 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 1113286 , Reply# 7 3/31/2021 at 00:59 (1,122 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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I don't understand washers that spray rinse with a slow spin before the water has been spun out, or worse yet, spray rinse almost immediately after initiating a spin.
I played around with a mid 1980's Montgomery Norge and it did a partial drain, then spun up and immediately spray rinsed with a half tub full of water dirty wash water. WTH? Spin up to full speed and get all of that dirty/soapy water out, THEN spray rinse. I cursed it for using a measly 30 second spray rinse (come on man, it was the 80's, use some water) and then remembered that DD Kenmore washers didn't even have a spin spray rinse during that time period. *Shivers* | ||
| Post# 1113292 , Reply# 8 3/31/2021 at 01:53 (1,122 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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If Whirlpool did 6 second spray rinses on the direct drive washers, they would have definitely did a better job at rinsing. Since I adjusted the clutch a little over 1/16” (closer to 2/16”), it’s not entirely up to speed when it does the first spray rinse but it up to speed by the 2nd and 3rd spray rinse and seems to still do a good job at rinsing then again the neutral drain on the belt drive washers seems to be effective at draining most of the dirty wash water out by the time it goes into spin.
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| Post# 1113294 , Reply# 9 3/31/2021 at 02:25 (1,122 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Agree that spray rinses in DD machines would have eliminated most owners to be forced into using a 2nd deep rinse, particularly those with soap allergies. That would have saved a lot of water and some wear and tear over the life of a machine.
Whirlpool top loading washers have always been super stingy with spray rinses though, especially when compared to GE and Maytag. I was always curious why but I think it was mostly directed at the belt drive machines because they were highly prone to suds locking. By the time the DD's came around, I'm guessing stingy spray rinses (or the lack thereof) were a water saving technique directed as a sales pitch. | ||
Post# 1113296 , Reply# 10 3/31/2021 at 03:22 (1,121 days old) by henene4  (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Indexing tub Could make sense if the tub had some kind of ribs on it to act as a secondary agitator. Otherwise don't see much use... | ||
| Post# 1113298 , Reply# 11 3/31/2021 at 04:02 (1,121 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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"Could make sense if the tub had some kind of ribs on it to act as a secondary agitator."
The only top loading washer with a ribbed inner tub that I can recall was Roberts 1947 GE. www.automaticwasher.org/c... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/... | ||
| Post# 1113349 , Reply# 12 3/31/2021 at 10:50 (1,121 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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The reason why the Whirlpool belt drive washers only do 6 second spray rinses is because the pump can only pump out so much water at a time and if had a spray rinse like a GE or Maytag it will water lock and it can water lock if you are washing things such as blankets or towels that hold a lot of water in them but that usually only happens if you clutch isn’t adjusted correctly since the tub tries to get up to speed and if the pump isn’t catching up it will water lock.
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| Post# 1113361 , Reply# 13 3/31/2021 at 12:18 (1,121 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1113362 , Reply# 14 3/31/2021 at 12:28 (1,121 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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My friend Tyler had his 1962 RCA Whirlpool LJA70 water lock before and it happened when he was washing a small load of towels. If you skip to the 22:45 minute mark, you’ll see how it water locks and water comes up to the magic mix filter and makes it more of a struggle for the pump to drain out all the water.
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| Post# 1113374 , Reply# 15 3/31/2021 at 13:29 (1,121 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1113378 , Reply# 16 3/31/2021 at 13:59 (1,121 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Believe it or not, I had something similar happen with my Maytag A606 awhile back and it sounded like it was struggling a little, I opened the lid and it did water lock but it’s not the machines fault it’s a error on my behalf since it hasn’t been used all that much but since I have been doing some laundry in it as if recent it’s been working perfectly fine.
Those Whirlpool belt drive washers tend to suds lock easily and I had my ‘63 Whirlpool suds lock a few times even if I filled it to the #1 mark on a old Tide detergent scoop I had laying around (fill the Tide box with Ariel phosphated detergent). It even suds locked on the first wash I ever did in it and I used the rest of the Roma detergent I had when I got my ‘63 Whirlpool back in July. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Maytag85's LINK | ||
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Post# 1113534 , Reply# 17 4/2/2021 at 09:08 (1,119 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Re: Reply #11 There were other brands that touted basket or tub indexing as contributing to wash action. The 4/2/2021 POD Gibson ad: Each clockwise stroke of the agitator is matched by a counter-clockwise movement of the tub, which has six scrub vanes molded into its sides. The new "Double Scrub" action gives you unsurpassed washing results. | ||
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Post# 1113537 , Reply# 18 4/2/2021 at 09:49 (1,119 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1113559 , Reply# 19 4/2/2021 at 14:05 (1,119 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Dan, my last experience with a Montgomery Wards washer was from 1972 to 1977 with a machine purchased about that 1972 or earlier. At that time, they did a total of 4 spray rinses similar to Whirlpool/Kenmore, but as you noted it started spraying not too soon after it began spinning. Norge designed this on purpose to serve as its cooldown contribution to the cycle. It had one who wash cycle on the timer for all its cycle iterations. And this was a reasonably mid to upper level machine with variable water levels, 5 speed combinations, and 5 water temps. By the time it had gotten to the 3rd spin spray it was pretty close to full spin speed. It also did spray rinses after the deep rinse.
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Post# 1113569 , Reply# 20 4/2/2021 at 16:10 (1,119 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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 Honestly, I don’t mind an indexing tub as long as it doesn’t index too much. In the 1960s and ‘70s, the Westinghouse and various WCI-branded machines with indexing tubs turn maybe 1/6th of a full revolution at a time. My 2017 Speed Queen still indexes about that much. It’s fun to watch and doesn’t hamper load rollover much.
My ‘86 Frigidaire top-loader didn’t index excessively. It just had a crappy agitator. That thing wouldn’t have rolled a load over well even without the indexing. It did, however have the awesome “full circle spray” for filling and the spray rinse during the first spin.
My 2004 Frigidaire (Electrolux-made) top-loader was a disaster. It would index almost 180 degrees on heavy, maximum capacity loads. The clockwise “power” stroke, which also operated the auger, was sometimes laughably short. Then there would be an Exorcist-like counter-clockwise stroke. Sheets tangled ruthlessly as they became wrapped around the agitator; even tore a sheet once.
At first I was annoyed at the SQ’s mild indexing, knowing it really wasn’t supposed to; now I kind of enjoy it.
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