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Thread Number: 87225
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
Successful white load yesterday |
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Post# 1118056 5/23/2021 at 17:18 (1,068 days old) by jamiel  (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Was quite pleased with myself--had a 3/4 full load of whites that I decided to play with a bit. Nothing too stained except for several potholders which had both current staining (we've been cooking some Indian recently, so tomato/turmeric type stains) as well as some old residual staining. I pretreated lightly with a squirt of Shout. Into the KM direct drive they went on 4/5 fill with a scoop to # 5 of powdered Tide with Bleach; hot water. Was going to let them soak for twenty mins or so, so let them agitate for a minute then pulled out the knob....and promptly forgot about them for 6 hours. Decided in for a penny--in for a pound so finished off the wash cycle, let them spin a bit then re-started a 6 minute wash, warm water with some LCB. Two rinses, second with Downy---they were immaculate! Out of the washer and out of the dryer---both the fresh stains and the old stains were gone. Amazed myself...will have to do that again!
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| Post# 1118104 , Reply# 2 5/24/2021 at 01:42 (1,067 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
Tide with bleach 
Contains sodium per carbonate.
The hot water and soaking gave the SPC in the Tide plenty of time to do all it’s bleaching action, without harming fabrics. You spun that out, and washed using LCB and a short wash. If any persistent stains were left, the LCB got em! Contact time with LCB was a perfect exposer time (6 min) Then you rinsed twice to remove alkalinity from the powdered detergent and LCB. I’ve learned here on the site that oxygen bleach (Tide with bleach) and LCB don’t play well together. And can cancel each other out. But I Believe the way you used them was a perfect way to get the best out of both bleaches!? Good job! | ||
| Post# 1118166 , Reply# 4 5/24/2021 at 14:04 (1,067 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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IMHO
The soak can be very beneficial depending on soil level and fabrics being treated.
Even a 30min soak can help loosen oil and dirt and allows you to shorten the agitation time. IIRC powdered Tide with bleach and regular powdered Tide contain close to the same amount of sodium percarbonate (oxygen) so the increased contact time (soak) allows for better brightening, bleaching, and odor removal. Just don’t put LCB with it. If you need to use LCB then use a detergent that does not contain sodium per Carbonate, and keep contact time to not more than 6 min. | ||
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Post# 1118236 , Reply# 5 5/25/2021 at 01:09 (1,066 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 1118265 , Reply# 6 5/25/2021 at 09:59 (1,066 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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OxiClean White Revive: Don't know how long this has been on the market, but it appeared on the shelf at the local HyVee grocery store a few weeks ago. I've been impressed with it and use it on all white loads--kitchen & personal whites; all bath linens; sheets/pillowcases. It occasionally doesn't completely remove really heavy stains on kitchen whites, but I haven't tried doing a presoak yet. A 30-60 minute soak in the Speed Queen may make the difference.
Full disclosure: Using it in conjunction with liquid Persil ProClean + Stainfighter--which is no slouch on its own--in mechanically softened water. It's a nice change from using Clorox all the time, which generally requires a 2nd rinse. Anyone else tried it?
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| Post# 1118267 , Reply# 7 5/25/2021 at 10:20 (1,066 days old) by agiflow () | ||
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I'm using regular oxy now with my Amana because of the longer cycle times and it seems to do well. Will give the white revive a shot. The wash times on my machine are long with Heavy cycle being the longest with a 30 minute agitation period alone ! | ||
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Post# 1118268 , Reply# 8 5/25/2021 at 10:33 (1,066 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Greg I concur with your assessment | ||
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Post# 1118295 , Reply# 9 5/25/2021 at 14:30 (1,066 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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I really like the new OxiClean white revive, but don't use too much and rinse twice! The odor is a bit over-powering! Greg | ||
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Post# 1118313 , Reply# 10 5/25/2021 at 17:34 (1,066 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oxiclean White Revive contains at least two forms of OBAs, enzymes, and few other bits not found in regular "stain remover" formula.
www.ewg.org/guides/cleane... www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/5417... Generally many if not all these "revive" products for whites are loaded with OBAs which is part of the revival for dingy things. For Oxiclean at least it doesn't change fact you are paying for good amount of alkaline fillers (washing soda, sodium metasilicate) with comparatively smaller amounts of sodium percarbonate (oxygen bleach). Many "revive" liquid products for whites or colors also add cellulase enzyme to much off fuzzy bits of cotton fabric. That makes things lie smoother and thus gives a "like new" appearance. Polymers or other things are added to also aid in that effort. Am willing to bet teaming twice normal dosage of oxygen bleach with a good detergent like Persil Pro Clean or top shelf versions of Tide liquid would lead to similar results. To some extent yes, higher alkaline pH levels enhance oxygen bleach activity. But sodium percarbonate which is made from washing soda normally brings enough of that to the party on it's own. A cheaper product can be made by lowering oxygen bleach content and adding washing soda, sodium metasilicate or any other alkaline substance. www.everydaycheapskate.co...)%20and%20inert%20fillers.&text=Sodium%20percarbonate%20is%20really%20cool%20stuff. www.umich.edu/~chemstu/content_we... | ||
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Post# 1118333 , Reply# 11 5/25/2021 at 20:26 (1,066 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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And we're supposed to know what that all means? | ||
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Post# 1118336 , Reply# 12 5/25/2021 at 20:39 (1,066 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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In basic layman's terms.......
You're paying for a double dosage of florescent optical brighteners that make laundry look whiter/brighter.
Addition of enzymes to enhance cleaning/stain removal. Again normal Oxiclean does not have them, but plenty of other oxygen bleaches do, and or most TOL laundry detergents. Sodium percarbonate (oxygen bleach) and soda ash (sodium carbonate) are self explanatory. If you read comments from users about Oxiclean "Revive" Whites and know what sodium percarbonate or even sodium perborate are capable of doing, you'd know there isn't anything special about this Oxiclean other than heavy dosage of OBAs. www.amazon.com/OxiClean-R... | ||
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Post# 1118347 , Reply# 13 5/25/2021 at 21:57 (1,066 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 1118362 , Reply# 14 5/26/2021 at 04:45 (1,065 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Looking at SDS for Oxiclean Revive White.....
As suspected as with all Oxiclean powdered "bleach" products this stuff is mostly washing soda (60-100%), with only 10-30% sodium percarbonate. www.menards.com/main/item... | ||
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Post# 1118364 , Reply# 15 5/26/2021 at 06:11 (1,065 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Thank you Laundress!! | ||
| Post# 1118406 , Reply# 16 5/26/2021 at 16:30 (1,065 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Dear, thank you for researching this
Sound like OxyClean is pretty stingy with the Pure sodium Per Carbonate in their mix!
I guess pure SPC could be ordered on line..then with a digital scale, work out a 80/20 spilt with pure SPC and washing soda..pre mix in air tight container. Or maybe measure a cup of SPC and 1/4 cup washing soda, and call it close. If using powdered detergent, leave washing soda out of mix all together, and just spike with a little SPC. Avoids paying more for mostly washing soda in a Oxy Clean container from the store. IIRC Tide has a patent on the activator that allows their SPC formulas to work more Efficiently?? Laundress please correct me if this is not the case? | ||
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Post# 1118407 , Reply# 17 5/26/2021 at 16:36 (1,065 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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What one also found interesting when reading SDS for Oxiclean Revive is that they list Tinopal (an OBA).
Normally by federal laws only hazardous ingredients are listed on safety data sheets which must be provided for downstream end users. That makers of Oxiclean include one of their florescent brightening agents found in "Revive" makes one wonder. Checked several Tide SDS from P&G and though we know nearly all of their powder and liquid detergents also contain OBAs, they aren't listed as part of hazardous ingredients. Tinopal is apparently very popular in India for both domestic and commercial use. You can buy packets of it on Amazon for instance. www.amazon.in/Akshar-Chem... This comment about difference between regular Oxiclean and Revive on Amazon sums things up... "If you compare the safety data sheets for these two (search for "sds oxiclean versatile stain remover" and "sds oxiclean white revive", you can see the rough recipe for each. They're similar - both contain mostly (di)sodium carbonate, which is washing soda, along with some sodium percarbonate, which is basically washing soda with hydrogen peroxide. The SDS for white revive lists it as disodium carbonate, but from the CAS number we know it's the same thing. The differences seem to be: - The regular Oxiclean has more sodium percarbonate: 30-60% instead of 10-30%, which means that the White Revive probably has more regular sodium carbonate. - The White Revive has some "Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-undecyl-.omega.-hydroxy-", which is a surfactant/emulsifier. - The White Revive has Tinopal CBS, which is an optical brightener. ("Tinopal® CBS-X is a fluorescent whitening agent which absorbs UV radiation and re-emits visible blue light, thus compensating the yellowish appearance of natural fibers.") - White Revive has some proteolytic enzymes (protease), which break down proteins. - regular Oxiclean has some Sodium metasilicate, which is a strong base that helps cleaning. So: less peroxide, added brighteners, added enzymes" www.amazon.com/ask/questi... My point with all this palaver is that sodium percarbonate on it's own is a powerful oxygen bleach. In front loading washing machines or soaking in a tub you only need about one to two tablespoons for average to even badly soiled or marked laundry. For larger washers including top loaders you may need a bit more. What you don't need is tons of soda ash, enzymes, and other things which if doing laundry with detergent you've already got (powders), or with liquids something else is providing base pH level. In short all you need is a good detergent and use neat sodium percarbonate as a booster or bleaching agent. | ||
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