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| Post# 52197 1/1/2005 at 14:54 (7,322 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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Post# 52218 , Reply# 2 1/1/2005 at 23:03 (7,322 days old) by gansky1  (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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I found a 1971 model a couple of weeks ago at a sale. This is a little different from the Maytag belt-driven design of later years (began in 1975) as it has a separate pump & motor (direct-drive) in the back of the machine with a deep sump & filter assembly. This model is a pressure fill, not timed as all later models were. There is no fan-forced drying here, convection only using the heating element. It washes beautifully and is MUCH quieter, much to my surprise, than the later, belt-drive models. I would also love to find one of the rapid-advance timer models (all push button control) machines. 
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Post# 52219 , Reply# 3 1/1/2005 at 23:05 (7,322 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 52220 , Reply# 4 1/1/2005 at 23:07 (7,322 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Post# 52223 , Reply# 5 1/1/2005 at 23:47 (7,322 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 52239 , Reply# 6 1/2/2005 at 06:32 (7,321 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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Post# 52279 , Reply# 9 1/2/2005 at 21:02 (7,321 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 52301 , Reply# 11 1/3/2005 at 04:40 (7,320 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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Post# 52307 , Reply# 12 1/3/2005 at 07:27 (7,320 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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Post# 52339 , Reply# 14 1/3/2005 at 16:50 (7,320 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 52377 , Reply# 16 1/4/2005 at 02:32 (7,319 days old) by kenmore1978 () | ||
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Failing KM DW So is the failing KM machine a D & M, GE, or WP built one? | ||
| Post# 52421 , Reply# 17 1/4/2005 at 16:31 (7,319 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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| Post# 52429 , Reply# 18 1/4/2005 at 18:03 (7,319 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado) | ||
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whirlpool built kenmore 665 in the model number means its built by whirlpool | ||
| Post# 52491 , Reply# 20 1/5/2005 at 02:26 (7,318 days old) by kenmore1978 () | ||
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D & M Swallowed up by WCI | ||
| Post# 52492 , Reply# 21 1/5/2005 at 02:28 (7,318 days old) by kenmore1978 () | ||
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1995 KM(WP) DW 1995 and it's failing already? What's going wrong? Especially since WP makes good stuff. Or at least somewhat better stuff than other companies (take THAT, WCI!) | ||
| Post# 52509 , Reply# 22 1/5/2005 at 05:31 (7,318 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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The drain impeller shaft is cracked I am going to insult sears whirlpool but they tightened the nut that holds the impellers WAY too tight as I as has to hold the wash impeller with water pump pliers and unscrew the nut with my fathers tru-test rachet wrench. They also put the top cover of the ultra wash module on backwards and it distorted as I fastened it down. | ||
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Post# 52531 , Reply# 23 1/5/2005 at 09:14 (7,318 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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I Too currently have a whirlpool with the silverware basket in the door. It's about 6 yrs old and came with the house when I bought it last december. I'M OVER IT. You have to start off by thinking to yourself as you open the door to remember to take the basket out first before pulling out the racks. I has always thought I wanted one of these as I thought it was a very clever design, NOT ANY MORE.
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Post# 52583 , Reply# 24 1/5/2005 at 21:24 (7,318 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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I used to think the same way about the In-The-Door silverware basket, but since finding a >2 year old WP tall-tub a couple of weeks ago, I've softened my judgements. I've had no trouble with cleaning but will admit that a little more pre-planning or thought is required for loading as the bottom rack will cover the basket when pulled out. Many of the later models have small hooks on the back of the basket so it can be hung anywhere for loading and/or washing. I've known many with WP dishwashers and the In-The-Door basket that have loved it, it does add space to the lower rack that would otherwise be lost to the silverware. The other nice thing is that it keeps the knives and fork tines from stabbing and jabbing while loading and unloading the dishes...
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| Post# 52613 , Reply# 28 1/6/2005 at 06:02 (7,317 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) | ||
My sister had an older Whirlpool model with the In Door Silverware basket. She didn't mind it so much because she was used to it. I didn't like it when I visited and did dishes for her. I hated the fact that the lower rack covered the silverware basket and it seemed like such a pain to continually push it in and out to load the silverware. It would have been nice if you could have hung it somewhere else or even put it on the counter while you were loading. As I recall the bottom was not flat so it had to stay in the door while loading. It sounds like the newer models allow you to be a little more flexible. I am a Kitchen Aid lover from way back, and always loved the basket that went along the front of the lower rack. It was always easy to open the door and toss in a piece of silverware. I made a mistake in this condo when I purchased a Bosch dishwasher. It does a great job washing and it is probably the quietest dishwasher I have ever had, but I really don't like the lower rack and the fact that the silverware basket is in the middle of the lower rack and extends half way back the rack. It takes up a lot of room and really gets in the way of some of my bigger pans and bowls. My instinct was to purchase another Kitchen Aid, but I went with the Bosch because I liked the look. I won't do that again. | ||
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Post# 52625 , Reply# 29 1/6/2005 at 07:21 (7,317 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 52630 , Reply# 30 1/6/2005 at 08:33 (7,317 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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Chachp: My "sister-n-law" has a bosch SHX46UC. We went to her house this summer for the hurricanes and again for Thanksgiving. I got to load and use the dishwasher and I LOVED IT!!!!. The silverware basket is in the front, but she keeps it long ways across the front. Her's also splits. However, When I loaded it and used it I had no problem with it. MUCH BETTER THAN A WHIRLPOOL IN THE DOOR, like I have. And it seemed to me that I could get more in it than mine. Porbably cause there was no tower to stack around. | ||
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Post# 52632 , Reply# 31 1/6/2005 at 09:07 (7,317 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Stabbing and Jabbing
The Maytag WC-400 dishwasher pictured earlier in this thread came with the instruction book and it instructs the user to load the silverware with the handles DOWN in the basket... Many others (like the WP tall tub user guide) suggest alternating handles up and down to prevent nesting of items like spoons, etc. Learn something new every day! | ||
| Post# 52636 , Reply# 32 1/6/2005 at 09:55 (7,317 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) | ||
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APPNUT and RE563: The link below has a few pictures of my dishwasher (towards the end). You can see how the silverware basket fits in the lower rack. Unfortunately, it does not split. Recently, I was in Best Buy and noticed the IDENTICAL machine branded under the Siemens name. I noticed the lower rack was slightly modified and the silverware basket was split and could be placed along the front or the side. I thought about looking into replacing my lower rack with that one. Other than that, I like the dishwasher. I always push it to the limit, and have never been disappointed with the performance. It is also so quiet, you really don't know it's running. I have had guests open it while it was on because they didn't hear it running. It's always pretty funny when it happens because they open it so quickly they usually get a little squirt in the face. CLICK HERE TO GO TO chachp's LINK | ||
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Post# 52647 , Reply# 33 1/6/2005 at 13:06 (7,317 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 52654 , Reply# 34 1/6/2005 at 13:52 (7,317 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) | ||
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I guess we did get off track a bit didn't we? Sorry. I had a top load Maytag dishwasher around 1981. I always liked the flexibility of the top load because you could get a lot in the bottom rack and not be concerend with things shifting as the rack goes in and out. It eventually began to clean very poorly. I was living in an area with very hard water and I think the water intake clogged I didn't know enough at the time to try to clean it out. If I added water after every fill I could tell it was washing better but it was a pain. I replaced it. I sure wish I still had that machine. I recall seeing a photo on one of the member's pages of the exact machine I had. | ||
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Post# 52683 , Reply# 35 1/6/2005 at 18:05 (7,317 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Ralph, In the year or two I"ve been looking at Bosches, I've never seen a basket that big in the lower rack. That would drive me crazy. You do an awesome job of loading, but I bet our rssident Bosch cramming expert TCox6912 in New Orleans could give you some pointers. I'll make sure he see this thread.
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| Post# 52716 , Reply# 38 1/7/2005 at 06:40 (7,316 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) | ||
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It's amazing all the options available since I bought my machine. My sister recently replaced her 24 year old (and never repaired) Kitchen Aid Superba with a new one. It was still running well, but she was remodeling her kitchen and wanted a new one. Her new one looks very much like Scott's machine on the inside. I don't remember the controls but I do remember how much I liked the rack configuration. She does have the hidden controls like Scotts, and I know she has the delay start because she uses it every day. Her old one had the lights on the left and the buttons on the right. Like the machine on the right in the attached picture. I can remember the Soak and Scrub cycle. It would heat the water, wash for a minute or two and sit for a little while. Then it would repeat it a number of times. While it was sitting you could hear the water heating in the bottom of the tub. I sure wish they made machines these days with that kind of quality. That machine was built like a tank. 
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Post# 52720 , Reply# 39 1/7/2005 at 07:53 (7,316 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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Chachp: Great pics--Yep, for sure that none spliting silverware basket would drive me nuts as well. Would love to see an inside of an old Maytag toploader. All the pictures i've seen of them are only outside of the machines--never any of the racking inside. AAAHHH--the good ole KitchenAids--those are one of my first loves. Built like a tank, cleaned everything and every quick cycles. Full loads of dishes washed, rinsed and dryed in 45 to 59 mins. And to think back then people thought those cycles ran long--LOL | ||
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Post# 52728 , Reply# 40 1/7/2005 at 09:11 (7,316 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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| Post# 52837 , Reply# 43 1/8/2005 at 07:36 (7,315 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) | ||
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Interesting. I have a friend here in Little Rock who has been complaining about her 2 year old Kitchen Aid dishwasher. She says it does a very poor job of cleaning. I asked the obvious questions like what kind of water she has, what soap she uses, what cycles she uses. She says she has had the repair people out a number of times and no one can figure out why it cleans so poorly. Had it been me, I would have insisted it be replaced but she didn't do that and now she feels it's too late. I would have agreed with you KM1978 had I not heard of my friends problems. I wonder if both my friend and Todd just got a lemon. I have always had good luck with Kitchen Aid dishwashers. As I mentioned earlier in this post, my sister recently replaced her 24 year old model with a new one and loves it. Her old one was a Superba and it never had a repair. It was still running strong when she replaced it. | ||
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Post# 52844 , Reply# 44 1/8/2005 at 10:32 (7,315 days old) by fnelson487 (Palm Springs, CA) |
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I too am a die-hard KitchenAid fan. I have owned Superbas since my first KDS-17 in 1977 in Chicago. When I moved back from California a few years ago, I bought the TOL tall tub KitchenAid. Quiet indeed. Cleans ok but doesn't dry like the flow thru of the older models. Finally found this one and had it shipped from Palm Springs to Chicago. The installer said he had never seen a new $1,200 dishwasher replaced with a 30 year old machine. I guess I buck the trend. I love this KDS-17. Elegant and washes like there is no tomorrow.
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| Post# 52845 , Reply# 45 1/8/2005 at 10:41 (7,315 days old) by scott55405 () | ||
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That is a fabulous dishwasher! I have been to Fred's house and he has many wonderful appliances and vacuums! :) | ||
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Post# 52846 , Reply# 46 1/8/2005 at 10:51 (7,315 days old) by fnelson487 (Palm Springs, CA) |
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PS - How about this KitchenAid
Thanks Scott! Thought I would also include this picture of the KDI-14P that I also had installed in my laundry room off the kitchen after the KDS-17 was installed. Alas the drain valve is faulty but Greg in Omaha is coaching me through getting it apart to repair. It's a shame because the machine is like new. I also had a Maytag WU 900 (all buttons) in CA that I really liked. Cleaned fabulous but sounded like a jet engine on takeoff in the kitchen. 
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Post# 52862 , Reply# 47 1/8/2005 at 14:18 (7,315 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Speaking of KA, my buyers don't want the KUDS22, they want the new GE moved over from the new house (which kinda had been mentioned to them as a possibility). I could have the KA installed in the utility room as a spare/complement to the F&P. I think the KA has much more personality than the GE. :-) The GE can be seen in the background here: 
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Post# 52893 , Reply# 48 1/8/2005 at 22:47 (7,315 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 52897 , Reply# 49 1/8/2005 at 23:35 (7,315 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.) |
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Is that a Pilot light????
In the pictures of the white and avacado Maytag Portables I noticed that there seems to be a little red light on the left side of the control panel...is that a pilot light (as they called them in the 1950's) that lets you know when the dishwasher is on???? As for the belt drive Maytags...we had a 1979 U201 (I believe that is the correct model number), which was the next step up from the bottom, in Harvest Gold and that thing was not only noisy but on any cycle less than regular it wouldn't wash worth a crap (and it didn't do that good of job on the regular cuycle either, come to think of it). It was built like a tank though and we had it until October 1996 when the timer went out a week before my sisters wedding. I recently found the reciept from Memco for it and was shocked to realize my folks paid over $300 1979 dollars for that mess. My mom told that she didn't have it installed two weeks before she had to have the service guy come out and replace the heater fan because it was bent and kept making a knocking noise during the drying cycle. If I am ever able to get a vintage dishwasher it will be GE, Frigidaire, or Kitchen Aid all the way. PAT COFFEY
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Post# 52909 , Reply# 50 1/9/2005 at 10:06 (7,314 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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I never had any of the problems appliguy mentioned with my old Maytag. Yes, It was louder than the dishwashers on the market today. But that Maytag never, ever let me down with cleaning. I'm one who doesn't believe in pre-rinsing before loading and that Maytag cleaned like a charm everytime. I would have a hard time choosing between a vintage Maytag or KitchenAid tho. Both were fabulous machines
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Post# 52912 , Reply# 51 1/9/2005 at 13:18 (7,314 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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The Maytag Jetclean dishwashing system has never let me down either and I like the "upside down" loading, the capacity is tremendous for a vintage dishwasher. This avocado machine is a great cleaning dishwasher too and noticably quieter than the belt-driven design but part of the fun of a vintage machine is the noise and sounds of it getting the dishes clean.
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Post# 52929 , Reply# 52 1/9/2005 at 19:29 (7,314 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.) |
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We must have got a lemon
After reading Greg and Roberts posts and talking to a neighbor who had the same dishwasher we had, only hers was a year newer, I surmise my folks just ended up with a plain old lemon. My neighbor loved hers too and the only reason she got rid of it is because like ours the timer went out. She replaced hers with a 1998 Whirlpool which she likes ALMOST as much as her old Maytag. PAT
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Post# 53026 , Reply# 54 1/10/2005 at 20:20 (7,313 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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KDS-17
fnelson487, Cory and I just picked up this little ditty - saved her from the lethal crusher! It looks exactly like yours, but mine is white instead of SS. Was it an option on this model to get a variety of colors, or were you limited to just SS or white? I've always wondered if you 'picked' the color of a Kitchen-Aid as you would a car, or a fridge? Also, it needs a new motor - does the motor in a KDS-17A match with most others from the era? Thanks for the help! Ben (Cor - post a pic if you don't mind....) | ||
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Post# 53034 , Reply# 55 1/10/2005 at 21:39 (7,313 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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When my family bought a KDI-17a back in 1975, the machine didn't include front panels. The buyer selected panels from a choice of colors, including stainless steel (which is what we got), brushed chrome, a frame for a custom wood panel, and the other standard color choices of the era. I know there was an extra charge for stainless, but I don't know if the 'base' price included a choice of white, avocado, gold, etc., or if there was a charge for *any* selection.
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Post# 53114 , Reply# 56 1/11/2005 at 16:30 (7,312 days old) by fnelson487 (Palm Springs, CA) |
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KDS-17 Front Panels
Ben - One of the beauties of the KitchenAid dishwashers of this era was what they called Vari-front panels. They generally had a rainbow of front panels to choose from of colors that were popular at the time. My first KDS-17 in Chicago was order with a edged-coppertone front which matched the first kitchen it was in and when I moved and took the KDS-17 with me I ordered harvest gold. Yikes!!! how tastes change. One of the options was a front panel that you could add your own panel to. This generally involved inserting a wood panel to match your cabinets. St. Charles Kitchens also matched formica to their cabinets - quite classy. I believe that KitchenAid was the first to offer this. Back in those days it was the height of the custom kitchen to have a built-in flush mounted KitchenAid with a front that matched the cabinets. The dishwasher blended in to the cabinets with the top panel the only indication that it was a dishwasher. Similar to the Sub-Zero and other built-in refrigerators of today. I have a brochure for the KDS-18 with no less than 10 front panels showing. The KitchenAids of this era also offered a stainless steel interior as an option - way ahead of its time. If you check out the KitchenAid site I believe that you can still get front panels for this machine. I was lucky enough to find one with a stainless steel front that blends in perfectly with my kitchen. Any other front can be powder-coated or painted to match. Fred | ||
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Post# 53115 , Reply# 57 1/11/2005 at 16:36 (7,312 days old) by fnelson487 (Palm Springs, CA) |
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Oops - Didn't answer the motor question
Ben - If I did this right the link is to RepairClinic.com and all the parts that are still available for the KDS-17. Amazing! And yes, the motor is still available. Fred CLICK HERE TO GO TO fnelson487's LINK | ||
| Post# 53295 , Reply# 59 1/12/2005 at 23:24 (7,311 days old) by kenmore1978 () | ||
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dislikes She's probaly one of those people who drive me crazy that say they say they don't like something, but can never tell you exactly what it is when you try and pin them down to specific. | ||
| Post# 899237 , Reply# 62 9/18/2016 at 07:39 (3,044 days old) by rollermatic (columbus and milford ohio) | ||
i have that dishwasher
that is pictured in post 52218 by gansky1 of this thread.
I have a thread on here somewhere showing many pics of it and am trying to find it a good home! mine is harvest gold and I got it in cinti about 5 years ago. maytag bear I see you are looking for one, I am in ohio myself and if you or anyone here want it it's free for the taking! runs great, doesn't leak a drop! needs a good home! pete | ||
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Post# 947495 , Reply# 64 7/10/2017 at 16:12 (2,749 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Post# 947509 , Reply# 65 7/10/2017 at 16:55 (2,749 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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I have one of the early DD, RR machines and used it a a daily driver for a while. I think it did a great job of cleaning. My only dissatisfaction was that I could not fit a large spaghetti pot in the upper rack, and the lack of forced-air drying. Spoiled by years of old KAids. | ||
| Post# 947544 , Reply# 66 7/10/2017 at 19:46 (2,749 days old) by Alliekat81 (Southern, NJ) | ||
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Sure YOGITUNES. THEY WON'T BE GREAT BECAUSE MY FLASH ISN'T WORKING, BUT HERE ARE A FEW. | ||
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