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Can anyone recommend a new washer under $700 that is reasonably well built and easy to work on?
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Post# 1132050   10/27/2021 at 12:01 (213 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

Shopping for a new washer. I am open to both top loaders and front loaders at this point, and I am mechanically inclined and not afraid to make my own repairs. Looking for a reasonably priced machine that can be expected to go 5-6 years without major repairs like seals, bearings or transmissions. And if I do have to repair one, I don't want to buy something where the replacement parts will be unavailable in a few years. I was looking at the Speed Queens, but just can't swing $1300 right now - I am unemployed and job searching. (Funny how stuff decides to crap out right when you can least afford it.) Also looked at the Maytag Commercial Series, but even those come close to a grand. I was really hoping to find a decent machine in the $500-$600 range, but that looks like a pipe dream right now. I would even consider something cheap that maybe I can sell off in 4 or 5 years once (hopefully) I am in a better financial situation. We are currently without a washer and the wife is going to have me sleeping in the garage if I don't get something soon. :-)

Post# 1132052 , Reply# 1   10/27/2021 at 12:07 (213 days old) by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

Checking one source, new, this is gonna be tough.

I'd suggest second hand or scratch and dent departments of larger stores.



Brand wise, I'd go LG in the budget line.
They are reasonably well made and some smaller stuff is quite easy to do.



Edit:
Best buy lists it's "open box" offers online.

While not an amazing machine, LGs budget machine as open box could fit your budget and still perform fine.
www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-4...


Post# 1132055 , Reply# 2   10/27/2021 at 12:39 (213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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if you went a topload washer and do not mind the noise there this maytag model with extra power button and the speed queen tc5 that i can recommend

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Post# 1132057 , Reply# 3   10/27/2021 at 13:06 (213 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I would personally opt for a frontloader if I had need to buy a new washer.

For a toploader other than Speed Queen or the Whirlpool or Maytag "commercial"/home models, consider a basic Roper or Amana.† They're the same mechanical design as the WP and MT without the claimed beefed-up components.† Bearings typically have been failing at 5 to 7 years, some cases little as 3 years if usage habits are lacking of care, perhaps some instances longer.† Spin bearings are integral to the transmission assembly, which isn't a particularly cheap repair but it is easy.† The design was introduced in 2010 so no more than 11-ish years maximum possibly longevity reference thus far.


Post# 1132063 , Reply# 4   10/27/2021 at 14:36 (213 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Look for

a Roper, Amanda, Whirlpool or other budget top load with a dual action agitator. these run about $500. Don't overload and wash like items with like items.

If you go with front load, look at LG. I doubt the 4000 series with turbo wash is within the budget, but...

If u aren't set on matching pair, perhaps u can spend more on washer. A basic Whirlpool dryer will do the job.

Sometimes u can find good deals used where someone has just upgraded.


Post# 1132069 , Reply# 5   10/27/2021 at 15:12 (213 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Another idea...

Buy washer new and dryer used. people are always selling the dryer to front or topload sets when the washer needs replaced. LG keeps a similar design , so u may not notice it is not a set of you decide to go with front load. my LG front load washer lasted 9 to 10 years, but I am still using dryer over three years later.

Post# 1132074 , Reply# 6   10/27/2021 at 16:00 (213 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Your best bet is to get a used Whirlpool or Kenmore direct drive set since they are easy to repair and parts are still readily available for them. Iíd try to stay away from the newer Whirlpool VMW washers since they are cheaply made and AW member Eurekastar had the transmission fail on a Maytag ďcommercialĒ washer since they are that cheaply made.

Post# 1132078 , Reply# 7   10/27/2021 at 16:38 (213 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Any direct-drive found on the used market would be minimum 10 years old and need some bit of breakdown for proper clean-up and examination for potential repairs before putting into daily use.† A reasonable choice if one is prepared to do that.


Post# 1132086 , Reply# 8   10/27/2021 at 18:04 (213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
if you can afford shipping

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if you can afford shipping from canada to where you live i would reccomend this direct drive that i had as daily driver from 1993 to 2004 inglis superbII (whirlpool direct drive, would reccomend this set but as mention in reply#7 you would need to have them check before use

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Post# 1132087 , Reply# 9   10/27/2021 at 18:04 (213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
forgot the link

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Post# 1132090 , Reply# 10   10/27/2021 at 18:23 (213 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Maytag mvwp575gw...

and I've had mine for over three years with no issues for 7 to 10 loads every week in my kid and pet friendly home. This washer does have upgraded parts like a belt, capacitor, bearings, motor, etc. It probably have a better electronics board too. This model is built off the same line used for their commercial washers. If you read through the reviews, people want their old direct drives back, and this is not it. Hello! Only Speed Queen makes a model with a transmission and even they added a control board that works in conjunction with it. That's a lot more expensive to replace than a splutch.

For the difference in price compared to the Roper and Amana (and many other washers), one gets a five year parts AND labor warranty. You can replace many parts yourself. Surprisingly, they are not that expensive either. Instead of a transmission, the vmw design uses a gear case and splutch. Don't overload the washer and wash like items with like items. If you go bleach crazy like a vet office might do for towels (as well as probably overload it), then I think you will have issues sooner not only with this washer but any. Though it is marketed as a commercial washer, I don't think the design is robust enough for that. However, it is better built for residential use unless one has the option of buying the Speed Queen TC5.

The deep water cycles have tap hot. The budget washers may temper hot. Even though the budget washers may also have a dual action agitator, the wash action is more robust on the Maytag. Just watch some videos of the different models.

The biggest con is the only smaller load option is Normal aka "eco" cycle. Think of the Normal "eco" cycle as a quick wash. I have a way of adding hot when needed. If I need a half tub rinse (instead of spray), I just run the load a second time without detergent.

My independently owned retailers sells this for around $850 whereas Lowe's is asking $950 with four years LESS warranty. If you buy online, I have seen it within the OPs budget.

Finally, I may be wrong. I think the person that had the Maytag later bought a SQ TC set and now has a frontload? Nothing wrong with being a washer enthusiast (their information and experience can be invaluable!). Sometimes, people's needs change too or circumstances may have necessitated buying a washer that used less water. But most people buy the appliance and intend to use it until it costs too much to repair. The Maytag only came out in 2017. It is still under warranty. It is possible he got a lemon though. With that said, SQ has some lemons too. You will NEVER see that mentioned especially in regard to some of their TR models (and I'm not just referring to wash action that doesn't work as well for some types of laundry).

The reality is people on this board trade out washers like most trade out cell phones. Many also have the skills to repair them, already have the tools, and may even be able to get the parts for costs. It just bothers me when I see the Maytag trashed. Bottom line is it is the BEST cleaning performance top load on the market period. And it is the second overall best, but you may determine that is the GE Commercial is depending on what's most important to you.

My next washer would be the TC5000 because I will be doing more smaller loads. I may even get it while I still have the Maytag--something I've never done before. Where I live they are hard to get and the few places that are selling them are selling them above retail. No. Thanks. If I ever see it for a decent price again, I'm getting it. It doesn't look like the washer situation will ever get any better :-(.


Post# 1132092 , Reply# 11   10/27/2021 at 18:36 (213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
feel free to check this thread that i made

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When my mom bough a new washer dryer for the summer cottage i made this thread asking for info so feel free to check it out in the end final post you will see what my mom finaly chose for the summer cottage www.automaticwasher.org/c... and here a small vid of my curent daily driver in action at the start of the main wash




Post# 1132099 , Reply# 12   10/27/2021 at 19:06 (212 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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If you're lucky and have a Habitat Restore go check them out. Timing is everything but ours frequently have a decent used washer or dryer for sale. I've seen some real beauties over the years and their prices are decent in the $200-250 Cdn. range. Plus they do test them as best they can.. downside is you can't return it other than for store credit, at least at ours you can't.

Post# 1132102 , Reply# 13   10/27/2021 at 19:13 (212 days old) by SueDenim (Lincoln, Nebraska)        
Buy used

You can get better cleaning and more cycle options if you buy used. The trick is finding a used appliance store that will stand behind their sale. There are a lot of resources online about how to find a good, used machine. I would recommend watching YouTube videos from Lorian Furniture, they have one that discusses buying used and the old-style direct drives.

I've seen good options for machines at my local Habitat Humanity Restore. If you have one nearby, it would be worth a visit. My store hooks up the machine, runs it through a cycle, before it hits the sales floor. If I were to ask if I could watch it perform before buying, I think they would oblige. (Hint, hint).

But, if it must be new, my mother recently purchased a GE washer for around the $600 range, but that included delivery and haul away. She bought it from Costco which I believe extended the warranty out from 1 yr to 2 yrs. They do vet their products to a degree, so I felt a bit better about the purchase she made because of that.

There are definitely better machines than GE out there if you look.


Post# 1132114 , Reply# 14   10/27/2021 at 21:55 (212 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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A used Speed Queen made by Alliance would likely fit your budget.  If you get a lightly used one, you could get many years of service from it.  You would also be able to find one with knobs and dials instead of a cheap and annoying electronic membrane panel.

 

If you're on the Nextdoor on-line platform for your neighborhood, check the "Finds" page there.  I often see items people are giving away that are new, or nearly new.  I recently scored a top of the line GE cooktop that sells for as much as $2400 -- new in open box -- for free.  I realize I live in an area with much higher than average disposable income, but it's worth checking regardless. 


Post# 1132118 , Reply# 15   10/27/2021 at 22:41 (212 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

I may run by the local Habitat store just to see if I get lucky. My issue is that the wife is rapidly losing patience (can't blame her really) and does not trust the idea of buying something used with no warranty. I guess I could try an appliance store that sells refurbs - a lot of those offer 30 or 60 day warranties. I went over and looked at a washer that my nephew had used years ago. I think it was an old GE that looked to be from the 80's. I decided to pass because it had obviously been sitting for many years and appeared to have some issues. And it would be hell to get it out of the basement it is in.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll go out hunting tomorrow. Still tempted to try to stall the wife long enough to get my old Amana running again. Aside from the plastic tub, it is basically a Speed Queen under the skin.


Post# 1132366 , Reply# 16   10/30/2021 at 21:13 (209 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

I went out to a local appliance retailer who is a SQ dealer. He had one Classic left, but $1200. Whew. He also had the GE Commercial for 900-ish. One interesting one that he had was the GE "commercial grade" unit for $750. I was told this unit has a 5 year parts and labor warranty, which makes it more attractive. Model # is GTW525ACPWB. Anyone know anything about these units? I have never been a fan of GE products, even though they are made right here in my hometown, but maybe this one is different.

I also went back and looked at a used Amana that I had traded texts on. I swear, this thing looks EXACTLY like the new TC5000. I went home and Googled it, and this thing has all the same guts as the Speed Queens, including the steel tub. And I could pick it up for $75! The down side is that it is two hours away, and I doubt I would be able to talk the wife into buying a used washer. She has been pretty patient with all this so far, but today she had to hit the laundromat to get some wash done. Doubt if that patience is going to hang in there for much longer.


Post# 1132372 , Reply# 17   10/31/2021 at 02:08 (209 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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The last time an Amana wouldíve been built like a speed queen wouldíve been before 1999.

Post# 1132398 , Reply# 18   10/31/2021 at 12:48 (209 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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$1200 usd for a used SQ is crazy. Heck you can buy a new TC5 or TR7 in Canada for $1499 Cdn ($1200 US)

Post# 1132422 , Reply# 19   10/31/2021 at 14:55 (209 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

That is for a new one.

Post# 1132431 , Reply# 20   10/31/2021 at 16:12 (209 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
you should try to convince your wife to buy used

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you should try to convince your wife that for now its best to buy a used washer while saving up for a new one like there this maytag set still brand new here the link in case you went to message the seller www.facebook.com/marketpl...

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Post# 1132433 , Reply# 21   10/31/2021 at 16:29 (209 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Don't know where my head read for a used one LOL

Post# 1132437 , Reply# 22   10/31/2021 at 17:55 (209 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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For the money you canít beat the Roper RTW4516 or the Amana NTW4516. They are identical except for the color of paint used on the control panel. Iíve had my Roper RTW4516 for 17 trouble free months. Itís a simple machine that allows the flexibility of either a lower water wash with the Auto Sense water level option or a full fill, and I mean right to top of the tub with the Deep Water water level option. The Auto Sense uses and adequate amount of water to clean thoroughly. With the Deep Water option the roll over is just like the TLís of yore, very impressive. Since I live in California and we are in the midst of a historical drought I only use the lower fill Auto Sense, except for our Cal King bedspread.

I almost always use the Normal/Regular cycle with Auto Sense and Hot water and the cycle completes in 35 mins, with the Auto Sense/extra rinse it takes 50 mins. Both machines are right around $500.00 even with the currently inflated prices of appliances.

How easy they are to work on I donít know. But as simple as they are I suspect they wouldnít be any more difficult to work on than any other modern day washer.

I wash a minimum of 4 loads a week and have never had any problems with mine. No unusual noises, no failure to spin or start. I just set the cycle selection and press start and in 35 to 55 mins (depending upon the options selected) the wash is done.

It may not have the longevity of some other washing machines, time will tell on that count. But with the current options now available, if this Roper were to bite the dust and be irreparable Iíd replace it with another one just like it, thats how much I like it.

Eddie


Post# 1132442 , Reply# 23   10/31/2021 at 18:43 (209 days old) by SueDenim (Lincoln, Nebraska)        

Anything is better than going to a laundromat, especially during a pandemic. I personally like the videos I've seen on the Amana and it was the washer my serviceman recommended to me when I asked. (Not sure why exactly). Good luck!

Post# 1132443 , Reply# 24   10/31/2021 at 18:51 (209 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

Repairguy, you are right - the one that is two hours away is in fact older than mine - it is an Amana "Commercial Quality Washer", model# LWA40AL2. I looked up the parts list for it and it uses the better metal/porcelain tub like the Speed Queens. In fact, it looks dead like a Speed Queen in every way except the name. Mine is also called a "Commercial Quality Washer", but it is model# ALW480DAW. It also has the Speed Queen components, but it must have been made after Amana was sold off because they had switched to the cheaper plastic tub. I sure wish mine was the older model, I would be in good shape, as parts are available for it.

I am really tempted to go get the LWA model and just swap the motor/pump/transmission module with the new brakes and bearings over to it. I think the seal/hub kit that I bought will also fit the LWA. I would then essentially have a rebuilt Speed Queen machine just like the new $1200 one. If only I could convince the wife. I'm tempted to just get in the truck tomorrow and make the 4 hour round trip to get it. I have driven further for less!


Post# 1132452 , Reply# 25   10/31/2021 at 20:58 (208 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Fire up the truck and go for it!  If money is tight, you compromise.  It's that simple.  What if something else needs an unexpected repair in the near future and you've spent a bunch of money on a new machine? 

 

Tom, you are a capable and resourceful guy.  That should not go unappreciated at a time like this.


Post# 1132457 , Reply# 26   10/31/2021 at 22:12 (208 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Iíd go for it for the price. They really are good machines. A lot of them went to an early grave simply because repair folks didnít want to spend the time to fix them. The biggest issue was a poor quality seal at the time and it would ruin the upper bearing. Probably close to 90% of the repair folks told the customer it was the transmission when it was not. The only time I replaced transmissions was when oil was getting on the clothes because of wear in the top shaft area and it was on machines that were at least 10 years old with heavy use. I hope you get it. I always liked these and even saved a couple from when they were still commonly seen in use.

Post# 1132482 , Reply# 27   11/1/2021 at 12:26 (208 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

Thanks RepairGuy. I might go get it even if I can't convince the wife against buying new. We have a daughter in college who will need a new washer in the relatively near future.

Question - you mention all the seal issues - did the Speed Queens have the same issues? I see that they went with a different seal design at one point that appears to be a two-piece seal that is pressed into place by placing a ring over the inner seal and using the hub to push it down. Did this design alleviate some of the leak issues?


Post# 1132483 , Reply# 28   11/1/2021 at 12:49 (208 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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I canít speak for speed queen during that time period in the late nineties as they werenít building residential machines during that time. The seal issues if I remember correctly were corrected by using different materials to make them.

Post# 1132558 , Reply# 29   11/2/2021 at 21:50 (206 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
Don't ask the wife.

I'd look at this Maytag Neptune before I drove 2 hours for a Raytheon Amana.

chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/app/d...

I had one of those Amana washers purchased used before I knew better. It leaked, chewed up belts and didn't last very long.


Post# 1132559 , Reply# 30   11/2/2021 at 22:12 (206 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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under 700.00....HE Eco friendly, easy to use and work on....parts still available...non dubbed down temps....

save your money, sounds like your going to need it for marriage counseling...you straight guys crack me up....


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Post# 1132564 , Reply# 31   11/2/2021 at 23:44 (206 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Ditto re: the late '90s Amanas.  We had one.  It never leaked but it ate through belts and was the worst ever at rinsing, even with an additional rinse selected.

 

If La Grange means the Chicago suburbs, then yes, ditch the Amana and go after the Neptune.  A 2004 stacking Neptune pair was left behind in the house we bought in 2018.  After some discussion here, I decided to include our larger, newer Frigidaire Affinity (Electrolux) machines in our moving sale and keep the Neptunes. 

 

The Neptune front load washer retains the design features of old school front loaders, like using enough water, three rinses on all cycles with an option for a fourth, and it goes right into a spin, unlike the Affinity, which would spend up to 20 minutes trying to balance a load prior to spin, and sometimes would just give up and call the cycle complete when it certainly wasn't. 

 

The Neptune pair has been a joy to use and the washer gets the job done in a fraction of the time the Affinity required.  No nonsense, no steam, no on-board water heater but no dumbed down hot water either, just a washer designed to get the job done efficiently and effectively, and built to last longer than any front loader on the market today -- maybe even including Speed Queen.


Post# 1132766 , Reply# 32   11/5/2021 at 16:15 (204 days old) by TominKY (La Grange)        

It's fixed. Had a buddy who owns a machine shop mill .125 off the snout of the hub. Put it all back together last night, and have run 3 loads through it without a problem. No leaks, no burned up belts, and runs much quieter. So I can at least sleep better knowing that I got it fixed. The things you do when you have a little extra time on your hands.

And the wife got a new Speed Queen Classic - found one at a local appliance store that was S&D - got a hundred knocked off for that.

Guess the daughter will have a washing machine waiting for her when she graduates.


Post# 1132768 , Reply# 33   11/5/2021 at 16:35 (204 days old) by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

When I grew up, we always had 2 washers - one my mums and one my grandmas - even though we did all the laundry together.

We still now even though only my mum and my grandma still live here.
They still run loads simultaneously.



Having 2 washers at once can be a great time saver especially if you hang dry a certain amount of stuff.

If you have the space, try to set them up side by side.
You should - usually - get away with running 2 washers off of 1 circuit breaker as long as they don't have a heater.
And splitters on the tap isn't a huge deal with normal water pressures.

It's nice to run both lights and darks at once.
You can usually get away with drying different colours together as long as fabric type matches and load size isn't to big.
You end up saving some time even though the one load might take longer to dry.

Especially if you are sorting some stuff out after washing you end up using the dryer more efficiently.



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