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Post# 1139257   1/13/2022 at 15:41 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Does anyone know whether some of the more esoteric European manufacturers (Asko, Beko, SMEG, Fagor, Blomberg) are still making their own dishwashers, or are they just getting them from China? or from the plant (Beko?) in Slovenia?

Scanning some of the manufacturers at some of the mail order providers is kind of unclear (plus they don't have "printed in" listed on the user materials). There are some with water softeners I'm curious about for our place in Palm Springs.


Post# 1139286 , Reply# 1   1/13/2022 at 21:32 by mielerod69 (Australia)        
SMEG dishwashers

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Hi,
Smeg dishwashers are made in Italy in their Bonferraro factory.


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Post# 1139287 , Reply# 2   1/13/2022 at 21:35 by mielerod69 (Australia)        
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Hi,

Smeg dishwashers are made in Italy in their Bonferraro factory.

I've added the link to the Smeg USA dishwasher site


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Post# 1139291 , Reply# 3   1/13/2022 at 22:12 by bradfordwhite (East Coast, U.S.)        

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Remind me WHY we are concerned about where or who is manufacturing a particular product?

Also, can you really judge a product on that criteria at all?

I mean lots of products are partially made in one place with components made some where else, then shipped and sold in another country.

 

And society continues roaring forward.  Better than ever.

The concept of "american made" or "Chinese made" means nothing.


If a company's stock is majority owned by people in country A,

the company has an image of being in country B,

they farm out the manufacturing to countries C, D, & E,

and they sell in countries A-R  

then what country is that product from?

Does it matter?

 

There was a time (60s,70s) when the U.S. based companies actually made stuff in the U.S. territory.   and frankly reliablity and efficiency wasn't all that great.   

It wasn't until the doors to competition around the globe that the consumer started seeing improvements in reliability and responsible manufacturing.


Post# 1139295 , Reply# 4   1/14/2022 at 03:32 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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AFAIK Asko's are made in Slovenia by Gorenje which is now owned by Chinese Hisense


Post# 1139299 , Reply# 5   1/14/2022 at 07:25 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

Beko and Blomberg are both owned and made by Arcrelik.
Don't know where there manufacturing is based for them, bot they are Turkish in origin.

Good "cheap" machines over here. Not terribly reliable, but not horrible for what you pay here.



Asko is owned by Gorenje and thus by Hisense.

But their DW design isn't really at all related to those.
Totally different beast.
Closest thing is the programming which has similarities.



Fagor as Fagor dosen't exist anymore.
If anything is branded Fagor, it isn't related to the Spanish brand that once was.



Smeg is still it's own thing.
Considered "higher end", but really low market share here so very little I know about their actual quality.

But I have been looking at replacing my current DW with one for the itnterim to just try out.


Post# 1139301 , Reply# 6   1/14/2022 at 07:39 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Why be concerned---because if you find a bargain buying some weird low-volume brand in the US (that's a big volume brand in the EU) you might have a fighting chance to find the odd filter/rack/... that you break 2 years in.

Compare that with trying to source a fine filter for some OEM Chinese-manufacturer...oy!

I live this with our cars--I drive a 2009 Saab where parts are still easily available (even sheet metal parts) and a 2019 Buick TourX (made by Opel, after the spinoff) where parts are a bit more of a struggle to procure.

I'm trying to find a reasonably inexpensive DW here in the US with a water softener (for our condo in Palm Springs).


Post# 1139304 , Reply# 7   1/14/2022 at 08:23 by bradfordwhite (East Coast, U.S.)        

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"DW here in the US with a water softener "

wow, I've never seen that.

Maybe installing an actual water softener for your unit? That way you can enjoy soft water at all the plumbing fixtures.

I know FLA. has hard water. When I lived there a year ago it was so nice once I got the softener installed and took that first shower with clean water.

Well I hope you find what you're looking for.



Post# 1139306 , Reply# 8   1/14/2022 at 08:39 by appnut (TX)        

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Welll bradfordwhite, dishawshers with integral water softeners are quite common in Europe and other international locales. About 5-9 years ago, KitchenAid offered 2 models with wster softener. But again, U.S. consumers are too ignorant to appreciate the feature just as they have no appreciation for onboard washer water heating with being able to specify some target wash temperatures.

Post# 1139317 , Reply# 9   1/14/2022 at 10:09 by Stephen (Palm Springs CA USA)        
dish drawers with water softener

We have our eye on the Fisher & Paykel dish drawers that have water softener.
The model numbers with an H in it have a softener.


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Post# 1139319 , Reply# 10   1/14/2022 at 10:21 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Well, it seems like

China is surely slowly owning the world. I wonder what N. Korrea thinks? Are they in cahoots, or rivals?

Post# 1139327 , Reply# 11   1/14/2022 at 12:25 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        
Bosch & Miele

Do they still sell US models with softners?

Post# 1139330 , Reply# 12   1/14/2022 at 12:40 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        
Just did some price checking

A Bosch with water softener and CrystalDry can be had for about 1250$.

The one Beko I found with a water softener is 980$.

While that is 33% or so more, that is certainly worth it.


Post# 1139332 , Reply# 13   1/14/2022 at 13:48 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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The Bosch 300 series and up have water softeners..

Post# 1139339 , Reply# 14   1/14/2022 at 15:09 by bradfordwhite (East Coast, U.S.)        
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Bob, I don't know about others but I would def. appreciate an onboard heater. That's a great idea. Most washers in EU countries have them.

As for the water softener inside the DW, it just goes to show that I haven't seriously looked at dishwashers for the last 20 years. My perspective is the Kenmores, GEs, and Whirlpools from the 70s to the 90s. lol.

I do have a positive experience with the Bosch as I've used one a few times. It was so quiet but I have no idea if it had a softener.


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Post# 1139341 , Reply# 15   1/14/2022 at 15:21 by appnut (TX)        

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Peter, aside from the Benchmark series, the select Bosch models with softener are also the ADA ones. There MAY be one 800 series model with a softner, but what's available is a different story these days.

Post# 1139350 , Reply# 16   1/14/2022 at 18:23 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Exactly---I'd like one, but availability is part of the equation. There's currently a 19 or 20 series KA Custom which the home inspector didn't try--it may work perfectly well, I just don't know.

Post# 1139386 , Reply# 17   1/15/2022 at 06:33 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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There are several Miele models available in the States with water softeners built in.  Also F&P, Asko, JennAir, Viking, Smeg, Thermador, Gaggeneau, Bosch, Cove, and Beko.

www.appliancesconnection....


Post# 1139481 , Reply# 18   1/15/2022 at 19:28 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I was under the assumption that all Miele dishwashers had a softener built in them from the time they started being sold in N.America back in the 80s or whenever. I've never seen one that didn't.

Post# 1139553 , Reply# 19   1/16/2022 at 19:17 by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Petek,

I bought my Miele Futura Classic in 2014 and it does not have a softener.

Gary



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