Thread Number: 89497
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
3/4 Horse Power Washer |
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Post# 1141017   2/2/2022 at 15:40 (813 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Why does this washer have a 3/4 HP motor? All the ones I've seen are 1/3 and 1/2 HP. Why the generous size?
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Post# 1141021 , Reply# 1   2/2/2022 at 16:24 (813 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)   |   | |
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Marketing BS. People will flock to the bigger number without understanding anything about it. Same as vacuum cleaners today that market the wattage as a feature, as if using more power makes it a better vac. "Oooh, this one says 2000, it must be better than this one, it's only 1400." |
Post# 1141024 , Reply# 2   2/2/2022 at 16:41 (813 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1141026 , Reply# 3   2/2/2022 at 16:49 (813 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Ok, so I traced the motor, it is indeed 3/4HP and rated 10.6 amps at 1725 RPM.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384664929547QUE... This is profound, and inspirational. There must be reason for adding a larger size motor. |
Post# 1141027 , Reply# 4   2/2/2022 at 17:00 (813 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Even more interesting, this one is also at 3/4 HP, and looks like its for a belt drive washer?
www.repairclinic.com/Part... |
Post# 1141089 , Reply# 5   2/3/2022 at 13:25 (812 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yes this was mostly BS, but Norge actually did this so they could claim that a 15 pound washer would wash 20 pounds of laundry.
In order to make the 20 pound claim they actually had to put 20 pounds of laundry in it and have the motor not go out on overload for the UL test. This large motor allowed them to do that course it doesn’t say anything about the fact that it burned up a ton of electricity and frequently burned up wire connections and ruined many timers over the life of the machine lol. Chet if you looked at the Part number in the link you posted for a three-quarter Horsepower motor you can see that it has an Norge part number remember whirlpool owns Norge now it’s not a whirlpool washer motor in a traditional sense. John w |
Post# 1141090 , Reply# 6   2/3/2022 at 13:41 (812 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 1141096 , Reply# 7   2/3/2022 at 15:55 (812 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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That is interesting, I never thought about it having anything to do with the 20 pound claim but that makes sense now.
I still like the bigger motor regardless. The fact that a 3/4 HP motor can fit in that space gives me so much hope and aspiration for being able to place a PSC motor in a transmission top load, the larger HP off-setting the slight reduction in starting torque of a 1/3 or 1/2 HP PSC motor. And the bragging rights of a bigger, cooler running motor. Big thanks in regards to the part number. Whirlpool now owns Maytag, so Norge their brand now. Makes sense too. Also the motor doesn't have "FSP" on it, meaning its not part of the original WP BD/DD line. |
Post# 1141098 , Reply# 8   2/3/2022 at 16:02 (812 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 1141099 , Reply# 9   2/3/2022 at 16:16 (812 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 1141102 , Reply# 10   2/3/2022 at 16:33 (812 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1141103 , Reply# 11   2/3/2022 at 16:36 (812 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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This is a good starting point:
electricalacademia.com/induction... "It is important to note that the efficiency is fairly flat from around 50% to 100% of rated load and peaks somewhere around 70% to 80%, so specifying a slightly oversized motor does not cause too much of a penalty in efficiency." |
Post# 1141104 , Reply# 12   2/3/2022 at 16:44 (812 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Horsepower isn't directly related to wattage consumed.
Voltage x Amperage = Wattage
In the pics below shows a 1/2 hp motor with a 9.8 amp rating at 115 volts. This equals 1,127 watts.
The 3/4 hp motor in the next pic indicates 9.8 amp at 115 volts so they should both consume the same wattage. Not sure if those figures are real world or not but on paper they should be identical.
BTW 10.8 amps x 115 volts is 1,242 watts. I wouldn't lose sleep over 115 watts on an appliance that only runs 30-40 minutes. |
Post# 1141121 , Reply# 13   2/3/2022 at 19:43 (812 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Three things to consider:
1) The listed current is for when the motor is carrying full torque at its rated speed. 2) A washer run less than reasonably bob-loaded will not demand full torque from the motor. 3) Volts x amps = watts is only relevant for restive loads. Inductive loads, like motors, draw both active and reactive power- their current draw is made of both. Residential customers are only billed for active power (watts) and not the current required to sustain the motor's magnetic field (vars). As such, the actual measured current on an AC amp meter of a running washer motor is not indicative of the actual watts (joules of energy) the customers is being billed for. Before (cough combo cough) says reactive or lagging power factor is not a thing I encourage everyone to do their own research on the following: VARS, power factor, lagging current, leading current, real power, reactive power, apparent power, current out of phase with voltage, and residential billing of reactive power/ lagging current. (Yes sites will come up saying you can be billed or fined for low having a low power factor, but this only applies to commercial and industrial customers. It does not apply to single homes in North America) |
Post# 1141248 , Reply# 14   2/5/2022 at 01:04 (811 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I remember Frigidaire Galleries had these motors. |
Post# 1141278 , Reply# 16   2/5/2022 at 13:49 (810 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 1141279 , Reply# 17   2/5/2022 at 13:58 (810 days old) by Steved (Guilderland, New York)   |   | |
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That looks more like a Wards/Norge to me |
Post# 1141280 , Reply# 18   2/5/2022 at 14:04 (810 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1141285 , Reply# 19   2/5/2022 at 14:17 (810 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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Not all Ward's washers and dryers were sourced from Norge. Westinghouse was also one of their major suppliers of appliances. |
Post# 1141293 , Reply# 20   2/5/2022 at 15:14 (810 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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The picture of the original subject washer is a Montgomery Wards built by White-Westinghouse when WW was still a Westinghouse design. As stated above Norge also built machines for Wards but this is not one of them.
Each person has their opinion on the true Norge built machines. It seems they were either loved or hated with no middle ground. Lol. My opinion has always been that they are great machines. Yes they are noisy which is probably the biggest complaint but the noise doesn’t bother me. I consider it a true machine that does a great job with dirty clothes and no nonsense. And I do agree that the large motors on these washers was purely marketing as you could definitely replace it with a 1/2 hp to do the job if you are not overloading on a regular basis. There were definitely some areas where Norge machines could’ve been built better. And as John mentioned above timers would’ve lasted longer if not for the large hp motors. I agree with Todd in that they are definitely fun. |
Post# 1141315 , Reply# 21   2/5/2022 at 16:44 (810 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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They reason why I brought Frigidaire into the conversation was because their Gallery line onwards advertised a 3/4 horsepower motor in them. |
Post# 1141321 , Reply# 22   2/5/2022 at 16:59 (810 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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